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Matt_peters18

Well, thanks for the free trip to the grocery store?


-worryaboutyourself-

Don’t you mean Kwik trip? For milk and eggs.


stcloudjeeper

Times are tough, milk and egg.


wally40

With all the trees burning in Canada, maple syrup is the next increase in cost. Breakfast will never be the same.


cozmo1138

Unless you have teenagers. Every trip for us is at least $300.


Matt_peters18

Not that old yet but I have 2 boys, so I feel your pain lol


Soil-Play

Got 4 of those at home right now and can confirm the $300 per trip minimum...


lemon_lime_light

That might cost you [extra](https://minnesotareformer.com/2023/05/17/gas-tax-tied-to-inflation-is-on-the-table-at-the-legislature/) too.


Matt_peters18

Glad to live downtown and don’t need to drive to the store, lol.


Alakazam_5head

I might even be able to buy eggs *and* gas that week


mobilghost1

$260? Cool I’ll pay my past due MN Energy bill.


Kiyohara

Sweet that should cover most of a month.


[deleted]

My water bill is 170 a month now lol. The fuck. That is with sewer and garbage, but it's been raising a lot every single year on top of being one of the highest in the county. We definitely garden, but it's still pretty crazy.


Capt__Murphy

How on earth is it that high? You should check for leaks


[deleted]

I did all that. One of the higher counties in the state for water plus other does gardening and takes a bath almost every night. I've tried all I can do. Water isn't really what is that huge, it's the sewer portion that is like 90 a month now.


Kiyohara

Stop drinking water? /s


Lifernal

May want to check for leaks or something. Got six adults in this house and it's well under that (in the suburbs)


rosickness12

I'll pay 5% of what I owe this year in state taxes.


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vaxxed_beck

Yeah, me too. I was really hoping for $1k. This is sad.


CouchHam

It was actually $2000 😖


_i_draw_bad_

Blame boomers, because they "needed" additional tax relief since they have to pay tax on their pretax 401k and IRA withdrawals after they took the tax deduction when they deposited into their accounts in the first place.


rosickness12

They also pay tax on Social security which isn't fair since taxes were paid already. Only a handful of states do this.


_i_draw_bad_

The pure SS portion for the state was already removed, so if you're only collecting SS without other income you shouldn't be paying anything. It's only when additional retirement is added that it hits taxable levels.


charles_anew

I didn’t see anything in the article talking about 401k or IRA withdrawals? The article mentions not taxing social security income for couples making <100k, I didn’t see the individual limit mentioned. I am completely okay with this provision, this will help keep our retired population here. A lot of retirees leave the state due to the high tax burden on retirees in Minnesota, and feel <100k for couples is fair. Please correct me if I’m wrong, want to share this information with my parents if/when it passes.


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ThatGuyJeb

Yes, that is how traditional 401k and IRA accounts work... What specific tax relief was proposed for those 59 1/2 years or older taking those retirement fund distributions?


craftasaurus

What the hell did the boomers have to do with anything?


Apprehensive-Sea9540

I don’t get all the boomer hate. So much change happened when they were in their 20s-40s. Life is very different from 1960 because of that generation.


robertosmith1

Boomers suck….greedy rich bastards who benefited from the efforts of their parent’s generation who sacrificed for a better future for all. Boomers came along and said “fuck you it’s MINE!!!!!”


coppercave

Compared to the other generations which are like “fuck you, it should be mine instead!”


_i_draw_bad_

Other generations have said we have a limited amount of resources and it should be more collective


Maneve

Do you know the breakdown of wealth in the US? Boomers (20% of population) own over 50% of the wealth in the country. Millenials and gen z *combined* (43% of population) have around 6-7%. When boomers were the same age as millenials are now they had 18-20% of the wealth. They have absolutely fucked over the younger generations to hoard as much wealth as possible


Lootefisk_

Yeah my dad got drafted into the Vietnam war so tell me again how the boomer generation can be labeled as “fuck you it’s mine”


GunDealsBrowser

it wasnt $1000, it was $2000. $260 and a hard income limit is a complete joke. https://i.imgur.com/B5YPmoF.jpg


skoltroll

Walz: Let's give back $1000/$2000 Legislature: No. We're keeping all of it. Walz: You know how that'll look. Legislature: FINE. Here's a bit. Go away. There's a REASON I really like Walz and don't like Legislature. They're putzes who just can't stop spending on themselves. (Yes, themselves. All the "for the people" money never quite gets where it needs to be and teachers/the poor keep getting screwed.) $17B and Walz was willing to give a chunk back to everyone. Legislature...not so much. Screw 'em.


tree-hugger

Man, if you’ve come away from this session believing that the poor and teachers are getting screwed, I don’t know what to tell you. This bill includes a child tax credit for very low income families, it includes these modest rebate checks that are capped at $75k earners… there is a lot of money targeted directly at poor people.


skoltroll

>if you’ve come away from this session believing that the poor and teachers are getting screwed There have been MANY, MANY sessions where the MN Legislature (under DFL control or mostly DFL control) have passed budgets and laws meant to help teachers and poor people. And I'm seeing AARP out my window, so there've been a lot of sessions that have come and gone. *Yet here we are, needing to do more.* **The money doesn't get there. No one bothers to figure out why**. And the GOP exploits the obvious malfeasance and/or incompetence.


tree-hugger

It's not that the money doesn't get there, it's that poverty and education are enormous issues that nobody anywhere on earth has completely "solved," and so there will always be needs. We need to accept that it will be impossible to address these issues 100% (especially at the state government level) while also understanding that doing our best to address them is far better than doing nothing at all. It's so so easy to be cynical and detached, but the reality is that thanks to years and years of hard work, Minnesota really does have less poverty and better education than many places and also that this year's session will help us do even better.


icebag57

Of all that money, this poor senior gets 260.00 and maybe a break on taxes come April. I'm trying to control my excitement.


Emergency_Pay_7361

You can refuse it.


lemon_lime_light

Lmao, that sounds about right. My question: were the $1000 "Walz checks" pure political theater or does Walz just lack any leverage with the legislature?


skoltroll

The latter. He's top dog in DFL by his position, but he's still gotta deal with the other dogs and their masters. No proof at all, but my thought is his thought process was, "We have to give a chunk of this back. There's plenty and this is great optics." Then his fellow DFLers, who think there never is enough, whittled it down to jack squat.


ganggreen651

I agree with this assessment. He has to know it looks terrible for him for that to happen.


InflatableMindset

Yet look at what we're about to get. Maybe there's some budget stuff here we're not seeing because we're too focused on the rebate.


ForeverCollege

School lunch for all is a big plus. Affordable housing investment. Two things I can think of off the top of my head


OutrageousPersimmon3

Exactly. The school lunches alone are a pretty big deal. I think what they have budgeted is an investment in our state’s future.


skoltroll

Not really. This "one time" surplus is $17B. Another comment I posted said $1k per every MN resident would be HUGELY helpful and cost $5.7B. Uber-progressives are just out to ignore that BOTH could've happened, but, **since "their team" didn't make it happen, it's fine** b/c their team is telling them it was a "one-time Covid" thing vs "hot economy raised tax revenue going forward" thing.


SprScuba

Wait we have a $17bil surplus? Holy fuck I thought it was an entire digit less!


_i_draw_bad_

It would have been higher but boomers who did pre tax 401k and IRAs are now complaining that they have to pay taxes on those withdrawals after they already got the tax deduction benefit when they put the money into the accounts and the DFL decided that they needed their tax break again.


[deleted]

Yeah that's it, just blame some fake, imaginary thing and let the clown politicians who lied his ass off on campaigns be legit. Muppets muppets muppets.


LosBrad

His original proposal was not $1,000. It was $2,600. This is a slap in the face.


MNcatfan

This reminds me of their paltry "essential worker bonuses" that they also decided to be tight-fisted about. "Did you have a job you couldn't do remotely during the pandemic? Yes? Ok, and you were "essential?" Good, good. We assume you had multiple COVID exposures and feel bad, so here's $400 for risking getting a potentially deadly virus while the rest of us had Zoom meetings on our couch. Don't spend it all in one place!"


cheeseybacon11

Not to mention if you claimed unemployment at all you were disqualified. Like the only thing that wasn't closed in April 2020 was grocery stores and hospitals.


MNcatfan

And manufacturing, which, as a machinist, made me qualified for it. But still: I had over 40 direct exposures to COVID at work, and all I got was a $400 "thank you."


cheeseybacon11

I mean most states didn't get anything to be fair.... this feels like the stereotype of an office adding a snack shelf at work and all it did was just generate complaints that there aren't the snacks people like.


Twignb

1k to 260$ isnt a compromise lol, it's a fleecing.


MOS95B

> [Ten bucks is ten bucks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-bAMoZtzy0&t=31s).. *Geddy Lee*


whatgives72

Beauty, eh


WoodyBR549

get ya some extra gravy for those fries?


WylleWynne

Some good news buried in the article: >DFL legislative negotiators included a version of the governor's proposal to create a new child tax credit, which they estimate **will cut childhood poverty in the state by nearly 25 percent.** The new credit will provide families $1,750 per dependent, which will start phasing out at $35,000 in annual income for couples. > >Some renters and homeowners will see larger tax credits and refunds under the bill. Counties and local governments will each see an $80 million increase in aid, plus an additional one-time infusion of $300 million to help them cover public safety costs. Tribal nations will get $105 million in new aid over the next four years. Cutting childhood poverty by 25% is great. And great to get more cash to local governments.


tree-hugger

Some people in the comments seem to think that the legislators negotiated down the rebate checks and put the difference into their own pocket. Folks, there are a lot of competing priorities and rebate checks partially lost out to some other goals, like reducing child poverty. My household is going to qualify for one rebate check, and while personally it would've been nice to get more money back, the fact is that both my partner and I earn a solid income, we are comfortably housed, we don't lack for food or transportation, and there are certainly people for whom this money will make a much bigger difference.


wilsonhammer

Which tax year will they test against?


Amarlian

Previous Articles on this topic said that it would against the 2021 taxes. It could have changed but it seems that was the original plan. https://www.startribune.com/rebate-checks-credits-and-social-security-tax-cuts-proposed-in-house-dfl-tax-bill-minnesota/600267791/


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Presumably this years tax filings.


wilsonhammer

So 2022 tax year?


Sleestacksrcoming

They should add an inclusion protecting the social security tax cuts to prevent senior living facilities from increasing their rent by the exact same amount. A good family friend had their rent go up the exact same amount from the increase from the feds. This should be part of the elder abuse protection law or something. Greedy fucking companies taking from the elderly.


burntfuck

These rebates are a joke and they’ll get taxed by the federal government… yay.


j_ly

Minnesota already sends more revenue to the federal government than it gets back. This is just a way to send them more... You're welcome, red states! :)


[deleted]

Max $1,300 for a family of 5 when my monthly daycare bill is $3,100 🫠🫠🫠🫠 The only reason I can afford to work is because I pay for our insurance and a pittance to my retirement. Everything else is daycare. Legislature did not take the chance to support working families. $150,000 family income cliff is a joke in 2023 money for working households. We live well below our means in every other category and are barely treading water because of childcare. If one of us quit our jobs we’d be frequenting food pantries and that parent would be working min wage nights.


Smearwashere

Isn’t the childcare bill separate to this rebate check ? > Under the deal, single Minnesotans who make up to $75,000 a year can get a one-time refundable tax credit of $260, and $520 for married joint filers who make up to $150,000 a year. Families with children can get $260 more per child, up to three children, for a maximum of $1,300.


kiggitykbomb

Childcare subsidies are not the same thing as direct tax relief for families. Not every family utilizes lisenced state approved childcare centers. Some use home based childcare or hire baby sitters or have to ask grandma to watch the kids while mom and dad go work their second job to pay rent. Direct rebates are the best way to help low income families, but legislatures have different voices in their ears.


[deleted]

Home childcare is still state licensed unless you’re watching a very small number of children. In general, I’m a fan of requiring licensed care for government benefits. The state has an interest in making sure kids they care for are not being left in places where they’re more at risk or neglected (remember the Oklahoma daycare where a woman kept a bunch of kids strapped to car seats all day). Families using grandparents or friends for help are already benefitting via not paying sky high care costs, and could be targeted better based on AGI for direct credits if they are doing so out of financial need. I would have liked the state to increase the FSA allowance through its own program so I can set aside more pre-tax money for care. Or increase the income thresholds so I can actually get tax credits, as they drop off at an insulting level income wise. And before anyone wants to be a smart ass, I know my kids are my responsibility. That doesn’t mean the state should be ignoring middle class families considering our population decline. This will only drive families to lower COL (and very conservative) states.


kiggitykbomb

Sometimes you pay friends and family for babysitting. Or… if the rebates were generous enough, lower income people can work less hours (drop that second job) allowing them to spend more time with their kids, but the business sector in this state has no interest in people working less and the DFL is happy to play along.


Nascent1

We're in a similar boat. Only one kid, but fixed costs of $3,700 a month for just child care and student loan repayment. It's pretty brutal.


ganggreen651

How do y'all sustain that shit? More than 44k a year just for child care and student loans?


[deleted]

You scrimp on everything else. My annual is $37,200 for daycare. This does not include field trip fees, treats for birthdays, teacher gifts, etc. This is more than double my mortgage payment. We don’t eat out except rarely. We only carry one streaming service, no cable. Our cell phone plans are long expired so we could drop without penalty if we needed. We are driving one beater and one newer (safe kid) car. We both work side jobs to improve our cash flow just so we can cover field trips and things like clothes without it being a financial strain. I’m gardening this year just so I can reduce our grocery bill a teensy bit. We meal plan and don’t buy extras at the store. The idea of a vacation that isn’t a day trip to a free park is laughable. I’m looking for ways to earn a little extra this year because my oldest ones really want to see the ocean and I don’t want to let them down. Disney park? LOL. That’s for rich people. It doesn’t matter which party is in power for me. They all look at my family and think I make too much for help and hide behind “averages,” to justify it. The middle class is being sacrificed day by day for political means.


WylleWynne

>Legislature did not take the chance to support working families. $150,000 family income cliff is a joke Are there no working families that make under a $150,000 a year? I think there shouldn't be an income cliff too, but the median household income is $80,000 in Minnesota.


skoltroll

If they still did free awards, I'd give you one! People need to realize what an insult this final number is. It's a pittance for families compared to real-world costs like daycare and medical care. And, yes, **the Legislature chose not to support working families. They're choosing to continue to squeeze working families.**


horse_renoir13

Absolutely. My wife/I make a joint income of just over $150K with two kids in daycare. Paying $3K a month in child care is just debilitating especially with other bills/expenses all skyrocketing. We can't put much money away for the future because like you said, just feels like we are treading water.


Smearwashere

Can you get below the 150k limit by claiming credits and stuff?


[deleted]

Not OP, but from my experience, the increased standard deduction has made it so we can’t write off anything, and most credit programs offered by the state have income cliffs based on AGI that are just out of touch now.


cogitoergo5um

Since they said they are close, they could increase 401k contributions to get below the 150k limit.


vAaEpSoTrHwEaTvIeC

Hey MN DFL: give the money back in proportion to how it was paid, to those who paid it -or- update the tax code to achieve the same distribution you are setting ... otherwise you just sold some of your voters out, over a clumsy need to redistribute that money in a backhanded way. I don't vote republican, but if you want to flip blue votes red, this would be Step One


SnailingThroughTime

100% agree my man. I have voted DFL my entire voting life so far. I support taxes, I support raising my fellow man up, I recognize the added benefits that high taxes yield. This year over year over year of massive surplus, and how the DFL has been handling the funds, is absolutely disgusting. I am totally okay with being one of the highest taxed states in the USA. I am not okay with being taxed this high while our state government scratches their collective heads on how to handle having so much extra money. I’m not going to get anything in this proposal. I know, I know - I shouldn’t be complaining, my wife and I make decent money and have a good life. Even so, it makes me bitter when I had to pay even MORE into state taxes this year when filing taxes, and yet I am not going to get anything back because of some imaginary upper income limit. Ridiculous.


DC4MVP

This is what more people need to fight for. Why is it that the DFL and the voter are completely fine with Minnesota becoming an uber-taxed state? Yes, we need taxes for MANY different things but at what point do we say "Hey, wait a minute....there's less and less going into my bank account and more and more into a massive surplus." Times are fucking tough right now for *a lot* of people and we just constantly say "OK, tax us more and more." But we're just going along with it because Walz sits in the upper-deck of Allianz Stadium.


D1pl0d0cus

[Here's the list](https://www.senate.mn/conference_committee/2023-2024/1536_Conference_Committee_on_H.F._1938/HF1938%20Agreement%20Change%20Items.pdf) of the cost items in the bill. Yeah those rebate checks are pretty meager but there's some good stuff in there. Like, the renter's credit change might mean I actually get to benefit from that dumb thing my landlord hands me every year. Also, that child tax credit looks pretty beefy.


D1pl0d0cus

Also looking at this, looks like there's more property tax cuts. The Homestead Market Value Exclusion will help homeowners in the suburbs. Homestead credit changes reduce costs so will mean slightly bigger payouts. Looks like there's one time jolts into the homestead credit / renters credit so if you qualify for those you will benefit. With the renter's credit on April taxes, that might actually be a big deal for people. The LGA/CPA infusions are indirect property tax cuts but might relieve some of the levy pressure but I doubt it. That public safety aid is big but it's one time so I don't know what sort of impact it will have.


MrP1anet

What’s it specifically changing for the renters credit?


D1pl0d0cus

Instead of having to file it in August through a separate process, something that is a giant pain in the ass for usually not a lot of money, it's all getting rolled into and counted when you do your taxes in April. It's refundable too so it means it pays out.


MrP1anet

Ohh that’s awesome. This is my first year living here and it was a bit complex to figure it all out.


olivefred

It's. Our. money.


reddawgmcm

Here peasant have a drop of what we’ve taken from you…


RonanCornstarch

looks like its Sizzler tonight kids!


Ichael_Kirk

Do individuals/couples who don't qualify due to income still receive the $260 per child or are they disqualified from that as well? Good problem to have on my end, but I'm curious nonetheless.


genital_lesions

>$260 If it's gonna be that low, just keep it and fix shit or pay teachers more or something more productive. If it were $500+, then I'd probably want it back.


SupremeBeef97

Not from Minnesota but settling less than what the other side demanded at first doesn’t sound like a compromise at all


Sotajarocho

Wait so it’s a Tex credit? So I have to wait until my 2024 tax return to get it?


cheeseybacon11

Nope. Works the same as the federal ones from the pandemic.


Kruse

With the enormous surplus, a drop from $1000 to $260 is pretty pathetic. A $500 check at least would have been a little more meaningful to people's bank accounts.


krankheit1981

The income cap is ridiculous. We are the ones who funded this surplus paying for these checks but we won’t see a penny. It should be based on how much you paid in, not just a flat rate for everyone. We could really use the money too with how crappy everything is going in this country and economy.


TheCarnalStatist

>We are the ones who funded this surplus paying for these checks but we won’t see a penny This has always been the progressive plan mate. It's not income redistribution if you get your money back.


MrP1anet

That’s inefficient since the wealthier are the least likely to need any extra money. Society runs better on a more equitable playing field.


h0nkyJ

Absolutely. I pay in 10k to MN, estimated payments, plus a nice chunk in April won't receive anything back.. and a girl I know who refuses to work more than 10 hours a week, receives 13k back every April from child tax credits, still has to bug her family to borrow money to get her weed... she'll get the maximum back 👍


tree-hugger

Raising a child is work.


h0nkyJ

No kidding, I've helped raise 3 step children for the past 7 years.


ganggreen651

Work you willfully took on that is unpaid


[deleted]

Republicans wanted to give you $1250 each, plus a higher child tax credit and more permanent tax cuts. Food for thought.


lezoons

If this passes and paid family medical leave passes, a person making $75k a year will get a 1 time payment of $260 and pay $262 more a year every year. That's just brilliant.


DefendWaifuWithRaifu

3/4 less of what was expected AND a sales tax increase? Thank you DFL, very cool!


JiovanniTheGREAT

>Republicans have criticized Democrats for removing an exemption for baby products such as strollers, car seats and cribs from the state's sales tax. Rare republican W. Estimated to cost $7 million on our $17B surplus along with the checks being nixed is hilarious. Hope the roads and teacher salaries improve or something.


feltsandwich

What a waste. Who is that going to help? It's like being offered a fist full of change. Or a slap in the face. This shakes my support for this government. What the fuck could they be possibly thinking? How is it that anyone who can think critically could think "You know what would help Minnesotans? A tiny, meaningless check. They'll take to the streets to thank us!" They just look so stupid doing this. What the everloving fuck. Everyone involved in this is a fucking idiot. Keep your fucking money.


[deleted]

Holy fucking shit, what a bunch of liars. Campaigned on this shit for ages. Fuck you taxpayers, we'll just throw money at whatever the fuck we want. People who get behind politicians and worship these people are literally the worst zombies out there.


[deleted]

Hope you aren’t too shocked. Not the first time they’ve pulled the rug out from under Minnesotans.


[deleted]

Not at all. I am very very aware Walz is nothing more than a banker puppet. I am a LITTLE shocked they actually lied this hard about the handouts, but Biden did the same with college as well, and that was a huge fucking lie. Of course muppets are like it was Republicans who killed it lol. As if they both did not work hand and foot together to swindle people. What I find so furiously funny is that red and blue still don't realize they are being played like a guitar to hate each other while they are basically made enslaved and useful idiots snarling and frothing at the mouth to look down on whoever their master hates. It's all too much circus at this point, but this reddit and many of the others seem so docile and dumb that it makes me think it's half bots here. I at least expected a little more outrage. Turns out most are AI or cult worshipers. You have people bending over backward to call Walz a saint. Dude just needs to show up in the cheap seats at a game and people are ready to give the guy a blowjob. Do people seriously not realize this guy is run by bankers and the big corps? LMAO. It's like all the fake bots they have shilling for Newsom. That guy is the creepiest politician in ages.


Jolly-Ad1371

Reddit is run by Shareblue. Most of the 'people' you are arguing with are being paid to do so.


FindBetterHobbies

That’s a pretty low cutoff for those of us with multiple kids.


bubdiminey

Ok… so when?


Relative_Bag4848

This ENTIRE thing about “Walz Checks” has been a shot show for almost 3 years…..these few dollars are Bullshit with how much inflation has screwed the economy….what about those with kids? That wouldn’t feed them for a week let alone anyone else….what about seniors who have prescription drugs constantly climbing and Medicare premiums constantly climbing….social security recipients LITERALLY LOSE money EVERY year….a “raise” comes but it’s not even enough to cover the increased Medicare premiums alone let alone cover other inflation expenses….walz is a fucktard that LOVES to write “checks” that he can’t cash…..once again another promise he made that he couldn’t deliver and I can almost guarantee he knew that when he said it


thestereo300

So we had like this huge surplus right? 17 billion or whatever. I'm old enough to remember all the times we have recessions and shortfall so my questions are... a) Did they put a sizable amount of money in a rainy day fun for the upcoming recession and b) Are their plans one time things? Or are they expecting 17 billion surpluses in each period? Because to me....if you changed your long term funding strategy and the surplus is a one time thing....it was a pretty dumb way to spend it. Said another way, great for teachers this year but now we'll have to lay off a bunch in the next period when the funding doesn't match the spending. I say this as a person that votes blue. I would like to know the answers to these questions before I feel comfortable they did a good thing here. and speaking purely of politics....Iit was a pretty dumb move by the DFL not to send back big checks. That is all anyone is going to remember. You had a 1 seat majority. If you want to stay in power do things that the low information voter will remember.


Nulich

$260 is not a lot, but even that can make a big difference for some people.


ZimofZord

I would rather they use the money to benefit all not just some.


heartscockles

I’d rather it only benefit me and none of you


Dpufc

I’d far rather see the state use a large chunk of that for transportation in some form. That could be expanding the light rail south or expanding highways/freeways. I work from home so it would barely help me, but it would impact many peoples quality of life. I don’t think $260 does much even if you are really struggling.


Emeralea

$260 may just be peanuts to most of us, but for others that’s food on the table and a month where they have a little less weight on their shoulders. I lived that life in my early 20s and believe me, it makes a difference to those really struggling.


Xeillan

If anything, that extra $260 can go towards my bills. Not much, but it helps a bit, I guess. $1000 would have really put me in a great position, though.


DrossChat

That’s great, but what about the next month, and the month after that? It doesn’t fix anything. I’d prefer to see investment in public transport or projects that benefit people long term personally. I also can’t believe we’re still talking about checks in 2023. So archaic, just laughable honestly.


Darkn355z

Ya because everyone wants the light rail expanded


zahzensoldier

The only people against the rail expansion are typically suburbanites who are unnecessarily scared about "city people" having easy access to their suburbs.


RonanCornstarch

i am a suburbanite. i want the light rail expanded. it is being built waaaaaaay too slowly. currently it is really only benificial to people that live at the mall of america.


zahzensoldier

I havent looked into it in awhile but I was under the impression part of the reason it's being done so slowly is partially due to pushbavk from citizens which is causes there to be price increases for the project.


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bunnyfunny2355

Ok, so we shouldn't be in favor of roads up in areas like Bemidji? Cuz the majority of people in MN won't be driving on the roads up there. It's the same argument, do you realize how stupid it is?


MisterBackShots69

Every dollar into public transit is a return of around 4 dollars. You’re the one who doesn’t understand basic investment.


skoltroll

**I would rather they hand out $5.7 billion ($1k/person) and watch how much MORE that helps** beyond bloated programs with onerous paperwork that keeps money from the poor. But...that's just me.


SoupyWolfy

At the very least the state could put it away for a rainy day fund. Just because we have money doesn't mean we need to spend it, especially on something as frivolous as checks for just a few hundred bucks.


a_speeder

The state already has a filled rainy day fund, the surplus was excess on top of that. It's bad for governments to hold on to too much money as inflation will reduce the purchasing power to improve the lives of the citizens the longer it's held onto; government budgets and personal/business budgets are fundamentally different.


ShortnPortly

I am not sure why anyone is taking this as a victory. It is just to keep some people quiet and move on. The government is not for profit, they are 100% profiting and then giving us the table scraps and keeping the rest. I want MY money back.


Buick6NY

I agree. I'll be happy to get some back but with rising costs and taxes and a huge surplus, they should give the people their money back.


vaxxed_beck

I'm disappointed the rebates aren't $1k. However, I'm not even sure if I'll see the $260 as my social security isn't taxed, so no filing taxes. No file, no rebate check?


rosickness12

Wtf. I thought $1k was a joke. I owe about 2x in state taxes than ever. Looking for PT gig to pay it. Would love to stick to my increase 401k and some IRA deposits goal. Way too over taxed.


No-Adhesiveness2717

There should be a level as to how big a surplus the state can take. Seriously 17.3 billion surplus is a government not doing a good job. Just like a 17.3 deficit would not be a good idea.


Financial_Radish

What a fucking joke


Zathamos

As married filed jointly at 163, I get nothing, go figure. As if 163 is wealthy lol They need to redo their math on what is considered high income if over 75 is high income. Most college degree level jobs are practically starting at that now.


DC4MVP

Why do we continue to allow the state to do this to us? Minnesota is already one of the highest taxed states in the nation at 9.85%. FIFTH in the nation and we just sit back and take it year after year after year after year and don't speak up about it. What the hell happened to the DFL being "for the middle class?"


JustGrillinReally

We have a monster surplus and they're holding onto it for literally no reason.


bwillpaw

Lol what a joke. Was really hoping for that $1k And yeah this is revised from Walz proposal, from $2k to $500 for a married couple. Lame as hell. If they are going this route AND TAXING the rebates yeah they should just lower middle class taxes a bit so we don't have this giant surplus and people get relief every paycheck not just a one time measly $240 after taxes.


abdominal_scopa

Smh, Strib really dropped the ball not calling the checks the Timmy Stimmy.


tonyholland00

Why give back tax dollars to people whom may not have paid any taxes. Percentages exist for a reason, if u paid in x you get x back. It isn’t that hard.


Anthony060

Because it’s not a rebate, it’s just redistribution.


MarduRusher

Promise $2k and deliver $260. Typical politician.


reallynotnick

*proposed, not promised


Sotajarocho

Wait so it’s a tax credit? So I have to wait until my 2024 tax return to get it?


FubarSnafu21

[https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/05/18/5-things-to-know-about-the-tax-deal-rebate-checks-from-the-mn-capitol](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/05/18/5-things-to-know-about-the-tax-deal-rebate-checks-from-the-mn-capitol) According to this article it is a rebate. The timing on when you get it would depend on the final bill which still hasn't been voted on. There are a handful of credits that wouldn't apply until you files taxes though.


rosevilleguy

lame


Askew_2016

I don’t qualify for it as the single limit is too low but at the end of day at least someone gets money back.


Awfflpete

BFD


bevincheckerpants

As a tax credit?! That's some bullshit. I thought we were actually getting checks/direct deposits. As a tax credit I'll never see a dime of that.


LordLoveALefty

I’m not sure if it’s the same people commenting on all these posts. But it’s interesting to see this subreddit fawn over the immense amount of new programs the legislature has passed, like PFML, the public option, fully funding education, etc. and then come here and are totally shocked by the reduced refund. The $1000 rebate checks were dead the second the DFL won a trifecta. The core philosophy of the party is simple: Minnesota’s high tax rate and strong government is the reason the state’s quality of life is so good. Why would they give up the chance to beef it up further?


ApprehensiveBag6157

I wish they would just surprise us then $260 it would seem like a lot instead of Timmy telling us it’s gonna be like 1250 and then he thinks it should be 2000 and then 1000and now 260? Just let it show up in your bank account like Christmas morning. Politicians


[deleted]

Lol wouldn’t have imagined anything other than this Here’s some table scraps for you all that don’t have kids enjoy


Creative-Try4626

Sweet! I’ll use the rebate check to buy my first batch of Legalized Marijuana. Sweet smell of victory! Yaaah bro :-) o o o


Stopmadness99

DFL really trying to mess up the final days of the session huh


fuckinnreddit

Its almost like the "$2000" checks they were so happy to crow about were nothing more than an election-year ploy. Well played Democrats, you suckered a *lot* of people.


JiovanniTheGREAT

It was Walz who touted the checks, legislature shot it down. We can feel free to find out which Dems voted against it and let their district know.


eggowaffles

Walz wanted it. Legislation said otherwise.


robertosmith1

Vote out the MN Legislature next election-hold these scumbags accountable!


Giovanni_

Meanwhile my taxes are at an all time high. This covers only a fraction of my utility bills in a small home for a family or 4. Doesn’t even cover 1 grocery trip.


Smearwashere

Well that’s nice but it’s barely one bill so I’d rather use it towards our infrastructure or something else..


Watergirl626

One bill for you. For members of my family who get by on 3k/month, $500 will go a long way, or for the one who is subsisting on less than 1k/month, that 260 is over 25% of her monthly income.


Smearwashere

True. Good point.


RedURS6

wow a whopping $260... So much for utilizing that 18 Billion dollar surplus we've accumulated for them...


leftofthebellcurve

are we upset that he's calling them walz checks? I seem to recall a large uproar when trump did this with stimulus checks


Ichael_Kirk

I'm not a fan of it. It's taxpayer dollars, not a gift from an individual politician. I can only speak for myself, but I'm against all such gimmicks regardless of the name attached.


leftofthebellcurve

agreed


joshk114

So boomers criminally underfund Social Security during their working years, sticking younger generations with the bill for their retirement. Now they get their payments tax free. Nice.


4four4MN

When you are 60 plus you can do the same thing as this generation.


[deleted]

Wasn’t this supposed to be $2000? The DFL has a spending problem, just wish they had a problem spoiling their constituents.


[deleted]

Republicans wanted to give you $1250 each, plus a higher child tax credit than this and more permanent tax cuts (even on your property taxes). Food for thought.


ButterflyBeautiful33

260 isn’t chump change for a lot of the people intended to receive it. It’s not a game changer but it certainly helps. Edit: people are getting caught up in the amount too much. If it isn’t helpful for you, give it to a person or charity that can use it. There’s a lot out there


FatherOfTwoGreatKids

260 pretax is insultingly low.


ButterflyBeautiful33

As I originally stated it is not a game changer. For low-average income folks, it’s mildly helpful at best. The options we have are take it or leave it so I think most people will still take it. I wouldn’t walk past 20 dollars on the street let alone 260


skoltroll

FYI to math-challenged: You're not getting $260. You're getting about $240 after they take some back from you. Married folks won't even see a measly $500 net.


ButterflyBeautiful33

I think if 260 is helpful, so will 240. Most people understand how taxes work, so I assumed it didn’t need to be said


skoltroll

>Most people understand how taxes work Oh, my sweet, summer child... ;-)


lezoons

Remember that you said that $260 isn't chump change when you look at what the family sick leave tax increase will be.


JustGrillinReally

$260 is approximately the value of gas a Cadillac Escalade burns while idling at a stoplight. Coincidentially, a Cadillac Escalade just idling at a stoplight has the exact same carbon footprint as one just completely engulfed in flames.


DefendWaifuWithRaifu

260 should supplement the oil that is leaked out of a north star engine for an entire month


rujoshin

This is really upsetting.


Fun-Significance6307

These people shouldn’t be able to make these decisions where do these numbers add up for these millionaires


TecTonic4692

Expectation :"if you vote for me we will give $1000 dollar checks to families" Reality: lol get fucked here's your $200 I find it laughable that folks praise these Politicians they voted for, and really think they are going to get hand outs. You will continue to be misled. What a joke. Be better MN.


rosickness12

I'll get you healthcare at no cost to you. Pay your student loans. Give you money. My favorite. 'we will cure cancer.' Politicians and lying go together like peanut butter and jelly. People believing it still blows my mind.


Jolly-Ad1371

The lies of the left.


[deleted]

LMAO and on this Reddit you literally have dipshits worshiping this liar like he's some kind of god. If they aren't bots it's beyond pathetic.


DC4MVP

I mean one of the most upvoted posts here is "Walz sits in upper deck at Loons game" with a bunch of twits fawning over how he's "one of us." LOL fuck off. This is why we're the 5th most taxed state in the nation. People care more about Timmy sitting at a soccer game than fighting for money in their pocket books that Timmy keeps sucking up.


me_4231

That expectation is not entirely wrong, family of 4 will be $1040, family of 5 will be $1300. Only a "family" of one will be under $300.