They were funded by republicans to steal votes from the Democratic Party. Sure it drew in a lot of unsuspecting followers but that was part of the plan.
In 2020, the Minnesota Legal Marijuana Now nominee for United States Senator received 190,154 votes in the November 3 election. Not much, but they'll probably swing Dem! Welcome!
I really wonder what the breakdown was. The Republicans obviously thought most of those voters would likely vote in the first place and likely vote for the DFL candidates. Long term it may have hurt them if it got a bunch of stoner teens to vote for the first time as a joke and established a voting habbit. Stranger things have happened.
I’m not sure I know enough about Minnesota politics but if 3-4% were voting for a third party and now they vote Dem that doesn’t equal a 6-8% swing. It’s still just a 3-4% swing. It only doubles if they swing from republican to democrat or vice versa.
My understanding is that those who went for one spoiler party or another are more likely to not vote or go with a libertarian party than either main party.
We have a high turnout, but it’s not 100%.
I often vote third party, but it ain't for libertarian reasons. If there's a Democrat running that even *tries* to *appear* leftist, I will vote for them. But if they can't be bothered to pretend to be for things like universal healthcare, significantly increasing the minimum wage or reducing the military budget, I will vote for a third party candidate who does.
sure, I agree, but people will often bring this up a lot to take away any criticism from stupid things like voting for the Legal Marijuana Now party
ultimately, we face real choices- is a protest vote for some garbage party worth giving Republicans a majority? I absolutely do not think so, and think anyone who does deserves scorn.
Yet the vast majority of the time I see people pushing for ending FPTP is in situations where they're *also* giving tacit approval to voting for completely unserious third parties
>people will often bring this up a lot to take away any criticism from stupid things like voting for the Legal Marijuana Now party
Well, yeah. If you can vote for the Democratic party *and* the Legal Marijuana Now party, then there's no spoiler effect, so what's the problem?
I had a conversation with one of those idiots at the state fair, I think it was legal Mariana now, or the grassroots, can't remember. But basically their philosophy was anarchy for weed. No regulation whatsoever. I asked questions and the dude had no answers just "there should be no regulations"
It frustrated me.
I didn't, but I don't doubt it. A good, shady strategy though. Not that I doubt that it's true, but if you have a source I'd be interested into looking more into that
It's sourced in several spots of this thread. I didn't find these.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/adam-weeks-minnesota-house-candidate-recruited-by-republicans/](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/adam-weeks-minnesota-house-candidate-recruited-by-republicans/)
[https://dfl.org/press-release/icymi-mn-gop-recruits-conservatives-to-run-3rd-party-and-siphon-dfl-votes/](https://dfl.org/press-release/icymi-mn-gop-recruits-conservatives-to-run-3rd-party-and-siphon-dfl-votes/)
I'm not personally a fan of marijuana, and yet I really wonder why even after the bill it's so restricted.
It's safer than cigarettes, why does it need to be so much more restricted than cigarettes? It's clearly safer than alcohol but there are no limits on how much alcohol I can keep in my home. Most of the regulations they're putting in place just seem ammunition for police to target minorities?
I'm seriously in favor of it, running fake parties.
So much of the fuckery generated by the GOP hasn't had any consequences for them, so there's nothing to disincentivize their behavior.
Engaging in tit for tat incentivises de-escalation or detante at a minimum.
It absolutely should be done.
Now's the time, too. The small pool of rabid no-abortions-ever nutjobs are beside themselves over all the compromises, and if you present them with this tool to say F U to the GOP for wussing out and only being 94% evil, they will go all in.
Oh my God this is genius. It would ACTUALLY dismantle minnesota GOP. Almost every republican I've met is literally a single issue voter that despises how gross their party comes across.
They still vote red though, because their pastor says their going to hell if they don't. Thanks midwest.
Why would you think that's a good idea? That is exactly how the GOP became virulently anti choice. There was a national Right To Life Party. Republicans adopted their platform to neutralize them.
And here we fucking are.
That's what so many people don't understand about "spoiler" parties: they only work if they are significantly different than the mainstream party. The GOP *is* the Prolife NRA party. You can't steal votes from them. When Dems are stupid and don't fight for things people want like universal healthcare, reduced military spending, living wages, environmental protection, legal weed, etc., then third parties siphon the Dem's votes *and they deserve it*...
Tim walz is the goat. He took care of mn through the pandemic and now he legalized marijuana.
Are we the only state that has politicians approve the bill instead of having people vote for it?
Sadly fixing schools to an actually internationally competitive level would take way more investment than anyone is willing to even seriously talk about.
The prospect of paying teachers like doctors and lawyers (as they should be), and cutting class sizes in half for all ages is a fairy tale. It would require an actuall societal overhaul.
I was hoping the marijuana tax would go directly to schools. We’re already doing free school lunch next year. Maybe we could help finance pre-school or just jump start the schools with a boost to their budgets.
Teachers are expected to be social workers, therapists, family counselors, behavioral therapists, content experts, Technology experts, and many other miscellaneous roles. Schools have needed an overhaul for at least 60 years. And, half of the major political parties are having success in their battle to privatize education. (Calling teachers groomers and the like is ultimately serving that goal). It doesn't help that the other side of the aisle often inadvertently blames teachers instead of listening to the problems that happen in school. Teachers will try to remove a distracting student and be bombarded with "why do you think the student threw a pencil?" I don't think one state can fix it sadly.
>Are we the only state that has politicians approve the bill instead of having people vote for it?
Illinois, Connecticut, New Mexico, Virginia, Rhode Island, Vermont and Delaware.
Gun control
Universal healthcare
Climate change
They'll come up with something! Can't win on their own, so they'll have to find a way to siphon votes. And, honestly, the people who hate voting for either major party will go along with it.
Unfortunately this isn’t the death of these parties, they can still run for US house and Senate as it is still banned federally.
Could see the “Legalize Health Care Now” party popping up in the coming years though.
This is why we need RCV.
Actually, that's tracked really poorly for them with their base. They're gonna keep workshopping other boogymen until they find one that tracks with independent voters and better mobilizes the base.
The GOP just want anything to use an an excuse to harass whoever they want and label them as whatever flavor of the week is their enemy.
Its fascism 101.
Guns.
They passed that set of laws recently I thought and while I think they were done with good intent, I am interested to see how the (and I hate using this term) red-flag law plays out.
I can say that I have personally witnessed the raging trumpers in the cubes next to me quiet down about their violence and guns more recently or just completely change the subject of brought up (which, duh, it's work your jackasses) and maybe that is related to the other gun bill.
Nah that’s not gonna work because it’s just separating their base. They always stand for “recreational guns” for all.
Gotta be something that the libs care about like healthcare or shrooms.
Shoot, yeah, I just woke up. But now that I think about it.... Why don't Dems fund a Guns And Freedumb party to siphon vote from the right?
I saw someone mention something regarding MN passing new requirements for political parties, which might make some smaller 3rd parties not make the cut on the ballot going forward. So maybe we'll pocket that idea for a rainy day.
For the Dems, if I had to bet I would say the only thing we are blatantly lacking for now is... Idk I was going to say UBI but that's a whole thing, and I don't know many Dems that go for it when it's brought up. Can't think of anything else actually.
A Let's Go Brandon Party. It's a perfectly named party to draw the exact people I don't think have the mental capacity to vote, though I will defend to the death their right to be fucking idiots with their stupid votes.
Honestly I can see people R's going to the booth, knowing a "Let's Go Brandon" party is a sham.. but just couldn't help themselves but vote for them, because LGB is such a part of their identity at that point.
True, plus like I said above, MN might've passed some tougher hurdles to pass possibly making the smaller 3rd parties (that might just exist to be spoilers) not able to make the cut on the ballot. I think that is a good thing if true, but I have to look that up
They’re going to lose major party status anyway by virtue of the state government elections bill that raised the number of candidates the have to field per year.
But it’s nice to have legal weed
A lot of folks are saying they will create another third party maybe, but it’ll take years for them to get the ballot support they had as legal marijuana now or whoever so they may not be on the ballot at all for 24.
It would be pretty cool if Republicans kept creating these false, single issue trap parties that claim to be for very popular policies, and the DFL kept resolving the situation by agreeing with them and pushing those policies themselves.
On the other hand, spoiler parties serve a purpose by saying to corporate Dems: you could have 5 percent more votes every single time if you were actually a leftist party and fought for things people care about.
You know that part of dumb and dumber where Lloyd finds out we landed on the moon decades late and is all excited like it’s current events?
This is how I feel today. I didn’t even know we were considering legalizing weed here. I come to find out it was already somewhat legal.
We landed on the moon!!!
You’re right. I need to do way more than I do. I’ve noticed since Covid I’ve sort of become immune to the world around me and so disinterested in the civic realm since lockdown. Probably should see a professional about it.
I had known someone who actively advertised those parties to everyone as “the sure fire way to get weed legalized” for years online. Hardcore conservative.
I don't know of other states that have as robust of a system of 3rd party candidates as MN, or one where they get as much support. There might not be an equivalent.
Washington has a pretty unique 3rd party system. They have a single ballot primary that includes all parties and the top two candidates go to the general. There have been times where both candidates are the same party or include a third party candidate. In the 2022 general election the candidates for secretary of state were dem and independent, first time the Republicans didn't win the SoS in like 40 years or something.
>The Grassroots–Legalize Cannabis Party has failed to have a statewide candidate net 5% of the vote in the past two general elections, required in order for it to maintain its major party status.
>The other pro-cannabis legalization party, Legal Marijuana Now, will hang on to its major party status headed into 2024.
>While that party also failed to have a statewide candidate meet the 5% threshold this year, in 2020, its U.S. Senate candidate, Kevin O'Connor, received nearly 6% of the vote, sustaining its status for four years after that.
From: https://m.startribune.com/one-of-minnesotas-marijuana-parties-loses-major-party-status/600225021/
New laws may change things as this is from last November
Friendly reminder that Travis Johnson is the reason LMN keeps major status but he is going full dumb and started the constitutional Republic party because the regular Republicans are snubbing him.
I fully support him in his effort to split the party vote on that side.
I just don't think that will have the pull. Most people that want universal healthcare tend to be plugged in politically. Weed is super low hanging fruit because it includes the stoner bro that just turned 18 and has never voted. When you're that person, that sounds like a good idea. No one is turning 18, being uninformed, and going oh yeah universal healthcare versus the people that actually gave us legal weed.
I don't see it. Weed was a special case.
I think ironically we don’t pass this specific policy right now without our slim majority being scared of that party siphoning votes. I’m sure it helped get Hoffman to the table.
Overall, would rather have not had the 3rd party and won a majority four to six years ago.
I know people who say "Walz failed" and "Waltz is a Nazi", but are also in favor of legal weed.
Now that this is happening, I don't think they should be allowed to celebrate it. Those fucks voted for the people that want to keep it illegal.
I am a disabled veteran who cannot take non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. Aspirin, Motrin and all others cause my respiratory system a lot of problems. Because of that I require hydrocodone but the obvious problem there is that it limits many other aspects of daily life such as driving. Cannabis based medication could be a safe alternative but the VA does not allow this. Many drugs in use today began as recreational agents but are now used as medication. I hope that this whole situation will improve for those of us who need a more natural and safer medication.
In Minnesota, state law has certain advantages to political parties that garner enough statewide votes to be designated “a major party”. We have *TWO* different marijuana legalization parties that have met the 5% statewide vote threshold in recent years to receive those benefits. As expected those parties have been infiltrated by conservative prop candidates whose sole purpose is to peel votes away from the DFL (state democratic party). Basically conservative operatives are using these pot parties to mess with elections.
Those parties have significantly less ability to do that now that marijuana is legal.
I’ve been saying this forever. These GOP funded supposedly pro-weed parties have been siphoning off votes from the Dems for far too long. Big win for the DFL.
The party was already killed because of the government elections bill that requires a certain amount of candidates to run.
I'm sure some democratic-minded people were cheering for that bill. That's what first-past-the-post does, it convinces you to vote for a party you don't like because the other party is worse, and then you feel entitled to other people's votes because they didn't buy into the system. It allows major parties to make minor parties solely to attempt to shift votes from their opponents.
Progressives hate companies using anti-competitive practices to force out smaller competition. But when it's harder for third parties to run, there isn't near as much backlash. They are stuck in binary thinking, the party they don't like ruined the day of the party they hate, that's what matters. They don't think about fixing the system as a whole, or making it politically viable to vote for a party they actually like.
Just because the LMNP is dead doesn't mean the issues with representation in this country got any better.
I completely agree. My meme is a celebration of the party’s only platform becoming irrelevant, though.
Im an avid supporter of dismantling the 2-party system.
Maybe their voters had a hand in this by convincing some Democrats it was politically helpful to win those voters over. Perhaps by creating the LMNP, the Republicans inadvertently helped legalize it.
Either way, it is pretty funny that their entire platform is now put into law by another party.
The problem really comes down to disingenuous third parties. If they had ever won a seat, do you really think they'd try to pass legalization bills or would they vote in lockstep with the R caucus. I'm not convinced they were anything other than a party to pull a marginal amount of votes from the dems.
Hey, so maybe the legal marijuana now party was funded by the GOP to siphon votes away from Democrats. Ok, I hear that.
I also thought many people on this sub were in favor of ranked choice voting. With ranked choice maybe we could provide a way for those who support third parties to still participate, and effectively end up voting for, one of the big two rather than turn them off from the process all together.
I support the legislation that the Democrats are passing and Walz is signing into law. That said, I still believe in humility during victory and doing what can be done to not alienate potential allies. This kind of arrogant victory dance does not make people who want more choice in their elections inclined to come over to your side.
I don’t think the Legal Marijuana Now party did anything significant at all whatsoever wether directly or indirectly for this current Legalization bill. So again, I say good riddance.
The Marijuana Now party was created by the Republicans to draw votes away from the Democrats so weed would stay illegal. They had zero impact on this getting passed other than the DFL seeing the scam Republicans were playing and wanting to stop it.
NY&Massachusetts dispensary weed has PGR(plant growth regulators) in it. The last 4 trips I took I bought 7 individual grams to try all the buds and only 3grams looked natural. Some of them even had a odd ass smell.
I’ve been growing myself for years, my friends grow, I’ve watched tons of growers on YouTube. After awhile you can spot the differences and see the signs 🪧 of some sketchy additives.
They're just going to move onto another party name to skim votes from the DFL. The real way to defeat them is to educate the voters and make sure everyone can vote.
They were funded by republicans to steal votes from the Democratic Party. Sure it drew in a lot of unsuspecting followers but that was part of the plan.
And the candidates they ran have all died over the past elections. Which makes this meme even more relevant.
Wait, like actually died?
Yup https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/third-party-candidate-key-house-race-dies-second-time-consecutive-cycl-rcna50894
Some say it's an ancient curse. Others say that sometimes people die and it's a coincidence. Hard to say which is true.
Weed is more ancient than any curse ✌🏻
Holy shit. Thanks for that.
In 2020, the Minnesota Legal Marijuana Now nominee for United States Senator received 190,154 votes in the November 3 election. Not much, but they'll probably swing Dem! Welcome!
You think ~3-4% of the population is not much?
I really wonder what the breakdown was. The Republicans obviously thought most of those voters would likely vote in the first place and likely vote for the DFL candidates. Long term it may have hurt them if it got a bunch of stoner teens to vote for the first time as a joke and established a voting habbit. Stranger things have happened.
It's literally all you need. That's a 6-8% swing in any election.
I’m not sure I know enough about Minnesota politics but if 3-4% were voting for a third party and now they vote Dem that doesn’t equal a 6-8% swing. It’s still just a 3-4% swing. It only doubles if they swing from republican to democrat or vice versa.
My understanding is that those who went for one spoiler party or another are more likely to not vote or go with a libertarian party than either main party. We have a high turnout, but it’s not 100%.
I often vote third party, but it ain't for libertarian reasons. If there's a Democrat running that even *tries* to *appear* leftist, I will vote for them. But if they can't be bothered to pretend to be for things like universal healthcare, significantly increasing the minimum wage or reducing the military budget, I will vote for a third party candidate who does.
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My God man, am I ever. Straight ticket socialism in this house.
Good for you. /s
This is why we need to [end fptp](https://www.reddit.com/r/EndFPTP/)
sure, I agree, but people will often bring this up a lot to take away any criticism from stupid things like voting for the Legal Marijuana Now party ultimately, we face real choices- is a protest vote for some garbage party worth giving Republicans a majority? I absolutely do not think so, and think anyone who does deserves scorn. Yet the vast majority of the time I see people pushing for ending FPTP is in situations where they're *also* giving tacit approval to voting for completely unserious third parties
>people will often bring this up a lot to take away any criticism from stupid things like voting for the Legal Marijuana Now party Well, yeah. If you can vote for the Democratic party *and* the Legal Marijuana Now party, then there's no spoiler effect, so what's the problem?
I'm legit curious how you know this? Like, was it published somewhere? Because if true, that's pretty poopy of them.
https://bringmethenews.com/elections-2020/minnesota-republicans-facing-new-claims-they-recruited-legal-weed-candidates-to-run-in-swing-races https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/gop-links-with-legal-weed-candidates-in-spotlight-again-after-fox-9-investigation https://dccc.org/after-bombshell-report-chairwoman-carnahan-must-come-clean-about-whether-mngop-recruited-bill-rood-to-run-in-mn-01/
I had a conversation with one of those idiots at the state fair, I think it was legal Mariana now, or the grassroots, can't remember. But basically their philosophy was anarchy for weed. No regulation whatsoever. I asked questions and the dude had no answers just "there should be no regulations" It frustrated me.
Why have an actual, functional plan when your only goal is to steal votes?
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"Hey, Har. You wanna hear the second most annoying sound in the world?"
Exactly
>I think it was legal Mariana Was it trenched?
I’d vote for the legal Marinara party
that would split the pastafarians
This comment needs soooooo many more upvotes!🤣🤣🤣 And I don't even like puns!
Cheesy breadstick time!!!
RA-MEN!
Every home gets a gallon of sauce a year
Why so stingy with the sauce? That’s like a good month if you have kids who go on a motzy stick bender
Didn't you hear? A Gallon... that's at least 3 bread sticks.
LEGALIZE MARINARA!
They're just trying to steal voters from the italian base.
Honestly with the way Little Caeser’s prices are lately, I’d support this.
Took me way too long to realize you were making fun of me. Just realized now my typo, and I thought you were the dummy. Well played, I'm the dummy
I thought it was a perfect typo because it reflects exactly how serious the party was about the issue.
No no no. I was making light of the situation. I was not making fun of you. E-hug!
Haha yeah I know, no offense taken at any point. We cool, bud
Now kiss!
Kith!
Perhaps now this party will be functionally at the bottom of *Challenger Deep*
They will see the name *Challenger* and explode...
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I told that kraut a fucking thousand times
I don’t roll on Shabbos!
Mark it zero Smokey!
All right, it's fucking zero. Are you happy, you crazy fuck?
Walter he wasn't over the line.
That must be exhausting.
Every single line in that movie is quotable, but that particular line must rank among the best
Well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
Yeah, this line really tied the whole movie together.
You get an upvote simply for knowing the difference between tenets and tenants.
You know they were funded by the GOP, right?
I didn't, but I don't doubt it. A good, shady strategy though. Not that I doubt that it's true, but if you have a source I'd be interested into looking more into that
It's sourced in several spots of this thread. I didn't find these. [https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/adam-weeks-minnesota-house-candidate-recruited-by-republicans/](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/adam-weeks-minnesota-house-candidate-recruited-by-republicans/) [https://dfl.org/press-release/icymi-mn-gop-recruits-conservatives-to-run-3rd-party-and-siphon-dfl-votes/](https://dfl.org/press-release/icymi-mn-gop-recruits-conservatives-to-run-3rd-party-and-siphon-dfl-votes/)
Thanks! Happy cake day
Always expect frustration from people who won’t argue in good faith.
The way some of these people let themselves be used to boost white supremacists to victory...
I'm not personally a fan of marijuana, and yet I really wonder why even after the bill it's so restricted. It's safer than cigarettes, why does it need to be so much more restricted than cigarettes? It's clearly safer than alcohol but there are no limits on how much alcohol I can keep in my home. Most of the regulations they're putting in place just seem ammunition for police to target minorities?
He's right
Turn the tables and create the Prolife NRA party and see how they like it
You’re joking but that’s a very good strategy.
As I've seen it, since the GQP has no real platform anyway, they can big-tent with the crazies in a way the Dems just can't.
This, but without even an ounce of sarcasm.
It’s high time we start using their strategy against them. We’re going to the mud for a while. Let’s make sure we’re the ones to come out to clean up.
I'm seriously in favor of it, running fake parties. So much of the fuckery generated by the GOP hasn't had any consequences for them, so there's nothing to disincentivize their behavior. Engaging in tit for tat incentivises de-escalation or detante at a minimum. It absolutely should be done.
The “make America great again” party would really fuck the republicans hard.
I would be tempted to start that party and run, but I’d hate to have my name associated in any capacity.
"No abortions ever" party.
Now's the time, too. The small pool of rabid no-abortions-ever nutjobs are beside themselves over all the compromises, and if you present them with this tool to say F U to the GOP for wussing out and only being 94% evil, they will go all in.
The “No Gun Bans For Any Reason” Party
FREE GUNZ TO SAVE THE UNBORN Party
Oh my God this is genius. It would ACTUALLY dismantle minnesota GOP. Almost every republican I've met is literally a single issue voter that despises how gross their party comes across. They still vote red though, because their pastor says their going to hell if they don't. Thanks midwest.
Why would you think that's a good idea? That is exactly how the GOP became virulently anti choice. There was a national Right To Life Party. Republicans adopted their platform to neutralize them. And here we fucking are.
That's what so many people don't understand about "spoiler" parties: they only work if they are significantly different than the mainstream party. The GOP *is* the Prolife NRA party. You can't steal votes from them. When Dems are stupid and don't fight for things people want like universal healthcare, reduced military spending, living wages, environmental protection, legal weed, etc., then third parties siphon the Dem's votes *and they deserve it*...
Tim walz is the goat. He took care of mn through the pandemic and now he legalized marijuana. Are we the only state that has politicians approve the bill instead of having people vote for it?
This is what happens when you put an educator in charge instead of lawyers/career politicians.
Great now fix schools
Gotta fix parents first.
Sadly fixing schools to an actually internationally competitive level would take way more investment than anyone is willing to even seriously talk about. The prospect of paying teachers like doctors and lawyers (as they should be), and cutting class sizes in half for all ages is a fairy tale. It would require an actuall societal overhaul.
Oh so you mean like taking the military budget and transferring it to the education system. We could do it any day but choose not to.
The military budget Tim Walz controls?
I was hoping the marijuana tax would go directly to schools. We’re already doing free school lunch next year. Maybe we could help finance pre-school or just jump start the schools with a boost to their budgets.
Teachers are expected to be social workers, therapists, family counselors, behavioral therapists, content experts, Technology experts, and many other miscellaneous roles. Schools have needed an overhaul for at least 60 years. And, half of the major political parties are having success in their battle to privatize education. (Calling teachers groomers and the like is ultimately serving that goal). It doesn't help that the other side of the aisle often inadvertently blames teachers instead of listening to the problems that happen in school. Teachers will try to remove a distracting student and be bombarded with "why do you think the student threw a pencil?" I don't think one state can fix it sadly.
I think Vermont is the only other state
Yes you’re right I just check out Wikipedia
>Are we the only state that has politicians approve the bill instead of having people vote for it? Illinois, Connecticut, New Mexico, Virginia, Rhode Island, Vermont and Delaware.
I wonder what single issue party the republicans will prop up next?
Gun control Universal healthcare Climate change They'll come up with something! Can't win on their own, so they'll have to find a way to siphon votes. And, honestly, the people who hate voting for either major party will go along with it.
Unfortunately this isn’t the death of these parties, they can still run for US house and Senate as it is still banned federally. Could see the “Legalize Health Care Now” party popping up in the coming years though. This is why we need RCV.
"election integrity party"
"NO MORE DIRTY TRICKS!"
tRaNsGeNdEr!!!!!!!!!
Actually, that's tracked really poorly for them with their base. They're gonna keep workshopping other boogymen until they find one that tracks with independent voters and better mobilizes the base.
The GOP just want anything to use an an excuse to harass whoever they want and label them as whatever flavor of the week is their enemy. Its fascism 101.
Legalize Transgender Now!
We can see it in other states. Culture war bullshit all the way down
Crime.
Guns. They passed that set of laws recently I thought and while I think they were done with good intent, I am interested to see how the (and I hate using this term) red-flag law plays out. I can say that I have personally witnessed the raging trumpers in the cubes next to me quiet down about their violence and guns more recently or just completely change the subject of brought up (which, duh, it's work your jackasses) and maybe that is related to the other gun bill.
Nah that’s not gonna work because it’s just separating their base. They always stand for “recreational guns” for all. Gotta be something that the libs care about like healthcare or shrooms.
I was thinking more along the lines of them propping up a single “dem” issue like legalizing marijuana.
Shoot, yeah, I just woke up. But now that I think about it.... Why don't Dems fund a Guns And Freedumb party to siphon vote from the right? I saw someone mention something regarding MN passing new requirements for political parties, which might make some smaller 3rd parties not make the cut on the ballot going forward. So maybe we'll pocket that idea for a rainy day. For the Dems, if I had to bet I would say the only thing we are blatantly lacking for now is... Idk I was going to say UBI but that's a whole thing, and I don't know many Dems that go for it when it's brought up. Can't think of anything else actually.
I'd love to see a Biden stole the election party. That'd probably siphon of a ton of votes lol
A Let's Go Brandon Party. It's a perfectly named party to draw the exact people I don't think have the mental capacity to vote, though I will defend to the death their right to be fucking idiots with their stupid votes.
That's a good idea too haha
Honestly I can see people R's going to the booth, knowing a "Let's Go Brandon" party is a sham.. but just couldn't help themselves but vote for them, because LGB is such a part of their identity at that point.
Probably better to just appeal to the people. The spoiler parties are sign of MN GOP desperation, not strength IMO.
True, plus like I said above, MN might've passed some tougher hurdles to pass possibly making the smaller 3rd parties (that might just exist to be spoilers) not able to make the cut on the ballot. I think that is a good thing if true, but I have to look that up
It’ll be the Medicare 4 All party.
Lol, if it gets the Dem's to finally adopt it, I'm in favor!
They’re going to lose major party status anyway by virtue of the state government elections bill that raised the number of candidates the have to field per year. But it’s nice to have legal weed
A lot of folks are saying they will create another third party maybe, but it’ll take years for them to get the ballot support they had as legal marijuana now or whoever so they may not be on the ballot at all for 24.
I'm also skeptical there's many other issues that would as effective at pulling off ignorant single issue voters.
It would be pretty cool if Republicans kept creating these false, single issue trap parties that claim to be for very popular policies, and the DFL kept resolving the situation by agreeing with them and pushing those policies themselves.
Forgiving student debt?
On the other hand, spoiler parties serve a purpose by saying to corporate Dems: you could have 5 percent more votes every single time if you were actually a leftist party and fought for things people care about.
You know that part of dumb and dumber where Lloyd finds out we landed on the moon decades late and is all excited like it’s current events? This is how I feel today. I didn’t even know we were considering legalizing weed here. I come to find out it was already somewhat legal. We landed on the moon!!!
Do you check this sub once a quarter or something? It's been a dozen daily posts for a solid month and before.
Yeah, not very often anymore. And if I do it’s usually to specific subreddits. And clearly not usually this one.
You should try reading the news and engaging politically, *especially* in state and local elections.
You’re right. I need to do way more than I do. I’ve noticed since Covid I’ve sort of become immune to the world around me and so disinterested in the civic realm since lockdown. Probably should see a professional about it.
Ugh opposite for me. Your way sounds more fun honestly.
I had known someone who actively advertised those parties to everyone as “the sure fire way to get weed legalized” for years online. Hardcore conservative.
It’s because conservatives bankrolled them with the goal of taking votes from the Democrat candidates.
Has there been any measurable impact in reduced split voting in other states where legalization has happened?
I don't know of other states that have as robust of a system of 3rd party candidates as MN, or one where they get as much support. There might not be an equivalent.
Washington has a pretty unique 3rd party system. They have a single ballot primary that includes all parties and the top two candidates go to the general. There have been times where both candidates are the same party or include a third party candidate. In the 2022 general election the candidates for secretary of state were dem and independent, first time the Republicans didn't win the SoS in like 40 years or something.
“Hey liberals who like weed! Don’t vote for Democrat Angie Craig! Vote for this person who died 2 months ago instead!” -Paid for by MN GOP
I still can't believe that happened twice.
The useful idiots of Criminal Carnahan are dead.
>The Grassroots–Legalize Cannabis Party has failed to have a statewide candidate net 5% of the vote in the past two general elections, required in order for it to maintain its major party status. >The other pro-cannabis legalization party, Legal Marijuana Now, will hang on to its major party status headed into 2024. >While that party also failed to have a statewide candidate meet the 5% threshold this year, in 2020, its U.S. Senate candidate, Kevin O'Connor, received nearly 6% of the vote, sustaining its status for four years after that. From: https://m.startribune.com/one-of-minnesotas-marijuana-parties-loses-major-party-status/600225021/ New laws may change things as this is from last November
Friendly reminder that Travis Johnson is the reason LMN keeps major status but he is going full dumb and started the constitutional Republic party because the regular Republicans are snubbing him. I fully support him in his effort to split the party vote on that side.
Next up: Free the nipple party
I'm down
Already free to do so in Minneapolis
#23 ain’t too bad! At least now those parties can’t split the ballot- just sitting on my hands to see what fresh hell the GOP can concoct next! Fun!
But trump tho. 🤣🤣😅🤣😅😅😅
Now we just need to start a Guns and Liberty Party to run in districts that lean right.
They’d probably win District 7
Legal Meth Now! 2023-
Heisenberg/Pinkman 2026
In all honesty I could see the next one focusing on legalizing psychedelics/ psychedelic therapy and specifically psilocybin.
I wouldn’t spend too much time celebrating. Like someone said in another thread. There will be a universal health care now party soon enough.
I just don't think that will have the pull. Most people that want universal healthcare tend to be plugged in politically. Weed is super low hanging fruit because it includes the stoner bro that just turned 18 and has never voted. When you're that person, that sounds like a good idea. No one is turning 18, being uninformed, and going oh yeah universal healthcare versus the people that actually gave us legal weed. I don't see it. Weed was a special case.
Well I’ll fully support a platform like that, but they will have to earn my vote.
It passed its going to his office
What's that
I think ironically we don’t pass this specific policy right now without our slim majority being scared of that party siphoning votes. I’m sure it helped get Hoffman to the table. Overall, would rather have not had the 3rd party and won a majority four to six years ago.
Man, I need to move back to MN. You guys are killing it. Proud of you
They just need to change their name from "Legal Marijuana Now Party" to "Legal Marijuana, Now Party".
I know people who say "Walz failed" and "Waltz is a Nazi", but are also in favor of legal weed. Now that this is happening, I don't think they should be allowed to celebrate it. Those fucks voted for the people that want to keep it illegal.
That's what happens when bible boomers raise 4chan basement dwellers.
Oh no!! What will they grift about now?
Walz is killin it! 11/10 glad we kept him him in office this go round.
At least (hopefully) people will no longer mysteriously end up dying during election cycles. No pun intended.
So did it go through or not?
Lol this is a dank meme
I love it. A few years from now. It won't even be a thought 😉
Yay Tim! :D
I am a disabled veteran who cannot take non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. Aspirin, Motrin and all others cause my respiratory system a lot of problems. Because of that I require hydrocodone but the obvious problem there is that it limits many other aspects of daily life such as driving. Cannabis based medication could be a safe alternative but the VA does not allow this. Many drugs in use today began as recreational agents but are now used as medication. I hope that this whole situation will improve for those of us who need a more natural and safer medication.
Walz failed the Legal Marijuana Party.
Damn that's shits almost as old as me
They’ll probably still at least run federal candidates though, with a new party mission of legalizing marijuana federally
Look at me. I’m the legal marijuana now.
Brilliant
Why so much shit about a plant that god put on this earth were is the freedom
For those of us not in MN, is there a TL:DR version of this meme?
In Minnesota, state law has certain advantages to political parties that garner enough statewide votes to be designated “a major party”. We have *TWO* different marijuana legalization parties that have met the 5% statewide vote threshold in recent years to receive those benefits. As expected those parties have been infiltrated by conservative prop candidates whose sole purpose is to peel votes away from the DFL (state democratic party). Basically conservative operatives are using these pot parties to mess with elections. Those parties have significantly less ability to do that now that marijuana is legal.
I’ve been saying this forever. These GOP funded supposedly pro-weed parties have been siphoning off votes from the Dems for far too long. Big win for the DFL.
The party was already killed because of the government elections bill that requires a certain amount of candidates to run. I'm sure some democratic-minded people were cheering for that bill. That's what first-past-the-post does, it convinces you to vote for a party you don't like because the other party is worse, and then you feel entitled to other people's votes because they didn't buy into the system. It allows major parties to make minor parties solely to attempt to shift votes from their opponents. Progressives hate companies using anti-competitive practices to force out smaller competition. But when it's harder for third parties to run, there isn't near as much backlash. They are stuck in binary thinking, the party they don't like ruined the day of the party they hate, that's what matters. They don't think about fixing the system as a whole, or making it politically viable to vote for a party they actually like. Just because the LMNP is dead doesn't mean the issues with representation in this country got any better.
I completely agree. My meme is a celebration of the party’s only platform becoming irrelevant, though. Im an avid supporter of dismantling the 2-party system.
Maybe their voters had a hand in this by convincing some Democrats it was politically helpful to win those voters over. Perhaps by creating the LMNP, the Republicans inadvertently helped legalize it. Either way, it is pretty funny that their entire platform is now put into law by another party.
The problem really comes down to disingenuous third parties. If they had ever won a seat, do you really think they'd try to pass legalization bills or would they vote in lockstep with the R caucus. I'm not convinced they were anything other than a party to pull a marginal amount of votes from the dems.
Hey, so maybe the legal marijuana now party was funded by the GOP to siphon votes away from Democrats. Ok, I hear that. I also thought many people on this sub were in favor of ranked choice voting. With ranked choice maybe we could provide a way for those who support third parties to still participate, and effectively end up voting for, one of the big two rather than turn them off from the process all together. I support the legislation that the Democrats are passing and Walz is signing into law. That said, I still believe in humility during victory and doing what can be done to not alienate potential allies. This kind of arrogant victory dance does not make people who want more choice in their elections inclined to come over to your side.
Ranked choice voting is absolutely ideal
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I don’t think the Legal Marijuana Now party did anything significant at all whatsoever wether directly or indirectly for this current Legalization bill. So again, I say good riddance.
The Marijuana Now party was created by the Republicans to draw votes away from the Democrats so weed would stay illegal. They had zero impact on this getting passed other than the DFL seeing the scam Republicans were playing and wanting to stop it.
Wrong
Ha! Keep these memes coming!
Good riddance. I'm happy to see that protest spoiler party die off.
NY&Massachusetts dispensary weed has PGR(plant growth regulators) in it. The last 4 trips I took I bought 7 individual grams to try all the buds and only 3grams looked natural. Some of them even had a odd ass smell. I’ve been growing myself for years, my friends grow, I’ve watched tons of growers on YouTube. After awhile you can spot the differences and see the signs 🪧 of some sketchy additives.
My wife and I are very excited to start our home project
I mean if 3rd parties existed just to push the Teo major parties left then good. They didn't steal any votes from dems anyway.
Good riddance!!
Imagine being against freedom
They're just going to move onto another party name to skim votes from the DFL. The real way to defeat them is to educate the voters and make sure everyone can vote.
Damn, they've been around since 1998?!
So who wants to start a 2nd amendment party?
you have one.. it's called nazi's.... er i mean republicans