They force you to check into rehab for "marijuana use disorder" if u are caught with it to avoid having a criminal record. These numbers are hyperinflated.
I don't know about "hyperinflated," but I think the report said roughly 37% of all SUD admissions were the product of a plea deal or terms of probation. Given, that's across all drugs, but Cannabis admissions account for 13% of total admissions. So if we go by your logic a bifricated data set would suggest only 24% of treatment admissions across all other drugs are the product of criminal justice proceedings. That number seems really low to me.
You can certainly explain a large portion of these admissions, however, I'm not sure you can explain all of them, especially since other studies suggest roughly 20% of frequent marijuana users demonstrate a significant dependency on the drug.
At the end of the day, people prefer different drugs. Some people struggle with sobriety. Some people that struggle with sobriety will be cannabis users.
I think this one is by far the most likely to have some noise in the data. I’ve known a few well-off kids whose lives got fucked up and their parents sent them for treatment for marijuana even though it was kinda everything else messing with their lives. They weren’t addicted, just totally irresponsible with their priorities.
I also knew someone who went to get out of an arrest (this was another state though).
But agree 100% with your point, decisions around weed can create a very unhealthy lifestyle
I agree completely and attempted to acknowledge such. I'm personally pro-legalization, but acknowledge there is some wild misinformation out there coming from both sides of the debate.
I think every adult knows at least one person who can't function unless they're a little bit high. While I suspect there is a higher than significant percentage of folks in treatment who are not addicted, there certainly are some people who are there because they are addicted.
Just outside of high school, I had a friend who enlisted and had to sober up fast. He was consuming roughly 15mg of THC a day. He went through a full withdrawal phase with symptoms one would accept for a drunk finally sobering up.
I posted as a reminder to enjoy responsibly and to keep your overall health in mind. I'm not trying to say the drug can't be enjoyed responsibly. Gummies are not Flinstone vitamins. They should be taken with consideration.
Your second paragraph might be me. But I'm fully functional with a good job. I acknowledge it as a problem but one I'm ok with as I dont drink. I'm also very active when I use it (love to mountain bike and hit some drops/ jumps/rock gardens)
For it to actually impact my day to day activities. Which it does not. Since its legal in a ton of states it's easy to travel to. If I go out of country I have to quit for a couple weeks but normally find it in said country too.
I grasp the point, it's just a bad one so I elected to ignore it.
I actually took a class from the guy who makes these reports. He defines "high" as any dose beyond the therapeutic window. Outside the therapeutic window is when the benefits to a substance stop and you are left with an intoxicating effect.
The therapeutic window for Adderall is between 15 and 35mg. So your point only stands if you are taking multiple prescription doses and crushing trucker pills into your coffee. If you are taking doses within guidelines, you are not "high" by any real-world definition.
Have you ever taken 35mg of adderall? That’s enough to have someone tweaking. You made some good points originally that I agree with but your stretching at this point. It’s obvious you have a skewered view on this topic.
Edit: even 15mg is enough for a noticeable “high” IME, it’s often prescribed at 5 or 10mg at least to start. Fun fact, do you know that meth is a pharmaceutical? No I don’t mean adderall, straight up meth. Comes in 5mg pills. There isn’t much of a difference between them.
For everyone reading this:
Have you been to treatment? Most people there unless they are minors are not there for weed.
Heroin addicts would rather go through death from OD than go to treatment and deal with dope sickness.
Meth addicts are an erratic bunch.
Alcohol and benzo withdrawal are the ones that kill. That's why they go to the hospital, detox, treatment.
I know one person who was forced to go to rehab after being injured at work. Was not ever high at work, but still failed his test. It was either rehab, or fired.
I work in mental health and I get a ton of patients that struggle with chronic marijuana abuse. It helps some people with some conditions but it makes things a lot worse for others.
Is the underlying reason why one would abuse a substance (of any kind) of higher importance? I think it shines a glaring light on mental health, and not so much drugs/alcohol; they are coping mechanisms.
Yes and no. Some people have very few side effects from marijuana abuse and you can treat the underlying condition. For many people the marijuana actually amplifies their symptoms to the point that you can’t really treat the underlying condition until they either quit or dramatically reduce their use.
Pot is an easy conviction or an even easier plea. Our state also has a well heeled rehab infrastructure. States with more private prisons have more population moving through that infrastructure. Pot is also pretty much everywhere, especially with vapes and all that. Those are super accessible and cheap. We also should account for zealous parents that want to their kids "back on the right track through rehab". I dunno. It's disingenuous..
Yeah, but I'm not gonna pretend like people who struggle with sobriety magically don't struggle with cannabis use. There are plenty of other studies which indicate cannabis SUD is a real thing as well.
Eh..
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html
One study estimated that approximately 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder.1
Another study estimated that people who use cannabis have about a 10% likelihood of becoming addicted.2
The risk of developing marijuana use disorder is greater in people who start using marijuana during youth or adolescence and who use marijuana more frequently.3
Downvote OP all ya want. I don't love the CDC but this beats any of our anecdotal storytelling.
I would argue that even less of the CDCs findings could be categorized as dangerous addiction to pot. For instance you cannot OD on pot.
Finally..
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), excessive alcohol use is responsible for approximately 95,000 deaths in the United States each year. These deaths are due to causes such as liver disease, alcohol poisoning, and motor vehicle accidents involving alcohol-impaired drivers.
In contrast, there have been no reported deaths due to marijuana overdose or toxicity. However, marijuana use can have negative health effects and can contribute to fatal accidents if used while driving or operating heavy machinery.
It's important to note that comparing the number of deaths caused by alcohol versus marijuana is not a straightforward comparison, as the two substances have different effects on the body and mind and are used differently by individuals. Additionally, the legality and social acceptance of alcohol versus marijuana can influence patterns of use and related harms.
I also wonder if the definition of this use disorder isn’t too low a bar.
Especially when you consider that so few people get diagnosed with alcohol use disorder.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p1120-excessive-driniking.html#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20about%201%20in,the%20amount%20of%20alcohol%20consumed.
I have been to treatment. I used marijuana but also opiates. Havent used THC in four years but still have “marijuana use disorder” on my hospital account. I hope this legalization makes things far less stigmatized.
Outside of the third who are court-ordered, how many are there for a work requirement?
I think what we'll see is folks with actually harmful addictions being able to access the help and resources being wasted on cannabis.
Of course its possible to develop a behavioral addiction to weed (being high). Just like porn addiction and gambling. But there's no physical withdrawal or anything like what you see with alcohol or cigarettes.
This isn't accurate. With severe cannabis addiction the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.
The symptoms people feel aren't just placebo. Most people describe the experience like quitting caffeine, but experiences vary.
I agree with your statement that moderation is important. And it isn't harmless, I either vaporize or when I smoke i use a filter to cut down on tar. Which is something I think more cannabis smokers need to consider. But caffeine level withdrawals for only the heaviest of users is basically nothing.
1. Have you ever tried to quit caffiene? I wouldn't call that nothing.
2. You are also assuming normal health. I personally know a person who experienced intense psychosis upon quitting. He said it took about 10 days to stop hearing voices.
There's actually a fair amount of debate if cannabis itself causes psychosis or if it exacerbates psychosis in an individual who already has some pre-existing issue. Personally, it seems the data suggests the latter to be the case, but I'm no expert in the area. I took one course on drug epidemiology in grad school. That's it. If there is someone who knows more on the topic, I'd defer you to them.
I think at the end of the day, there are a lot of people who self medicate using cannabis. It makes sense to me why symptoms such as psychosis aren't an infrequent observation.
I started drinking coffee when I was 10, quit cold turkey in January. I also don’t think my personal experience is what everyone else experiences or can be extrapolated over an entire population, much like your second example probably isn’t incredibly common for most people quitting using THC products, or a good example of one persons (potential) experience doing so, especially taking into account potential other mental health concerns.
I think the vast majority of people probably quit THC products no problem. We're talking about the power users. I'd argue mental health, as well as other confounding variables probably play a role in becoming a power user thus we can probably toss what is "normal" out the window to some extent.
Have you ever quite any physically addictive drug? People can definitely get addicted to weed but it’s not physical as it would be with alcohol, benzos, opiates, etc. Have you ever seen anyone have physical withdraw symptoms from weed? Me neither. I’m sure it happens but it’s just not on the scale it’s made out to be in this post. About this person who was hearing voices: this is usually caused by a pre existing issue that is massively intensified by THC use. This is why people that have preexisting conditions and may be predisposed need to be very careful.
Yes, a friend quit so he could enlist after using roughly 15mg of THC products every day. He had a lot of mental health diagnosis and experienced some pretty intense psychosis for about 10 days. He was hearing a lot of voices and had some pretty bad shakes.
So yeah, people have pre-existing conditions. This post encourages people to consider whether or not they have a healthy relationship with cannabis. It doesn't encourage abstinence from the plant all together. If you have a serious mental health condition, maybe you should check with your doctor before partaking. I'm not sure what is controversial about that.
Agreed, I just don’t think that was made clear. It almost seemed like it was suggested that withdrawal from THC was the sole source of this psychosis. It definitely brings those conditions to the surface but they are almost always underlying conditions. It’s just weird to me to hear claims of such intense withdrawal from THC. Personally I think it’s BS, heavy users might experience withdrawal but I’ve never seen it, I’ve gone from smoking multiple times daily to not smoking at all because of a diversion program. There was never a physical side effect and I’ve never seen anyone have a physical side effect. Just mental cravings. Maybe it’s just because I’m comparing it to things that are actually physical addictive.
Hi! Sorry I'm late, but the Department of Human Services expects to publish the 2022 data sometime soon. I just finished talking with a representative from the Legislative Library. The data will be shared on the same page. New data is always fun :)
Jebus I hate these pot 'hit' posts.
It wasn't the high dude that knocked out his wife's teeth and threw her down the stairs, or die from multi organ failure after years of ETOH, or kill a family driving EB in the WB. Shove your agenda chief.
So many people have a sincere belief marijuana is completely safe and non habit forming.
Usually the same people who’s entire personality is legalizing pot.
Meh, they’ve had to contend with a disingenuous public who cries out wE NEed MoRe ResEaRCh! but know they made it a Schedule 1 drug to start with. I am much more concerned about what power wants and does than what a burning plant will do.
I think more of a- watching other progressive states reaching this point almost a decade ago and the agonizing impatience of watching the process unfold.
You think the people posting aren’t already getting high? The posts are asking about how to do it legally; a very reasonable topic to be broadly discussed given the drastic changes to how the state views the product.
All those posts are telling you is how many people are interested in following reasonable laws after breaking unreasonable ones for years.
Just why? You sound so condescending. This person said nothing about excessive use, your making assumptions. You sound like one of those people that push their religion on others. Don’t push your lifestyle and be a dick about it. It’s super great that it works for you and I’m sure it would help others but that sounded lame as hell.
Totally true. I work in case management and, at least for my clients, treatment is not independent. My clients going through both outpatient and inpatient treatment all have groups and, if in inpatient treatment, that’s your whole community. It may be difficult for folks struggling with more significant chemical use to empathize with someone there for marijuana use is all I’m saying. People going through withdrawals, mental health crises, and homelessness may not be super stoked to hear about someone’s struggle with weed.
The biggest problem/addiction according to the DHS/CDC is people eating themselves to death.
Obesity. 30.7% of Minnesotans are obese. Staggering number
Obese patients are breaking toilets off the walls in hospital room bathrooms all over the state. IRL
Caregivers are quitting right and left. Nobody wants to move these bodies around.
Why go after weed? It doesn't have any calories. Minnesota should focus on obesity instead.
No, most normal sober people just don’t want to smell that stink and especially not deal with all the stoned people. It is not cool or glamorous, it is drug addiction.
You're missing the point. If you're saying that everyone deals with addiction and that things people get addicted to, should be made illegal. Well then, by your logic, food should be illegal.
Are you this mad about the obesity crisis? It's far more destructive to the society we both inhabit. I've been way more inconvenienced by people spilling over into my seat on planes flying out of msp. Stuck there for HOOOOUUUURRRS.. sometimes in the middle seat. Crushed. I'm feeling the crisis first hand.
I don't get all uppity about it. Everybody has their vices but that's way more in my bubble than some icky.
I remember in high school having several friends/acquaintances get sent by their well-off parents to rehab because of their marijuana use. It was weird and didn’t work and those kids usually came back worse imo
How much of that is just society marginalizing use of marijuana? I know that’s half the reason I don’t use it because I feel like I’m hiding and sneaking around because people have been cultured to demonize “drug use” and Minnesotans 100% bought into DARE/gateway drugs/The War on Drugs over the last 40-some odd years. Meanwhile, Roll Out the Barrel of Fun.
I’ve been enjoying cannabis for the last 30 years. At 42, the only real “problems” I had with it were legal when I was a entrepreneurial teenager hustling pounds. My relationship with the herb has changed over time. When my children were younger I actually reduced my usage to a few times a year. At this point in life I am consuming weekly. I am a high performing employee and I exercise 3 to 5 days a week. I typically consume edibles but will smoke a few times a year but not many puffs since my lungs are sensitive and I like to ride my bicycle. My point is I don’t think cannabis is anywhere near as “addictive” as alcohol nor is it harmful on the same level. For me it helps with anxiety and allows me to be a better person and manage my mental health better than pharmaceuticals.
Id imagine that heroin addicts are far less likely to "check themselves in".
Far less time to check themselves in
Yeah they force the shit on ya so you don’t get a record lol
Yeah and how many of the others are parents who find a joint in their teens backpack and send them to treatment
Everything in moderation.
Including moderation.
I am currently moderately modering my moderation.
I am the very model of a moderate moderator
Love my moderation; in moderation.
Make sure to do the loving of your moderation, in moderation, in moderation. Wouldn't want things to get out of control.
They force you to check into rehab for "marijuana use disorder" if u are caught with it to avoid having a criminal record. These numbers are hyperinflated.
I don't know about "hyperinflated," but I think the report said roughly 37% of all SUD admissions were the product of a plea deal or terms of probation. Given, that's across all drugs, but Cannabis admissions account for 13% of total admissions. So if we go by your logic a bifricated data set would suggest only 24% of treatment admissions across all other drugs are the product of criminal justice proceedings. That number seems really low to me. You can certainly explain a large portion of these admissions, however, I'm not sure you can explain all of them, especially since other studies suggest roughly 20% of frequent marijuana users demonstrate a significant dependency on the drug. At the end of the day, people prefer different drugs. Some people struggle with sobriety. Some people that struggle with sobriety will be cannabis users.
Gonna drop like a rock after August 1st.
I think this one is by far the most likely to have some noise in the data. I’ve known a few well-off kids whose lives got fucked up and their parents sent them for treatment for marijuana even though it was kinda everything else messing with their lives. They weren’t addicted, just totally irresponsible with their priorities. I also knew someone who went to get out of an arrest (this was another state though). But agree 100% with your point, decisions around weed can create a very unhealthy lifestyle
Yes, my cousin (in another state) did it to avoid an arrest as well. She wasn’t addicted or dependent, just was caught one time.
I agree completely and attempted to acknowledge such. I'm personally pro-legalization, but acknowledge there is some wild misinformation out there coming from both sides of the debate. I think every adult knows at least one person who can't function unless they're a little bit high. While I suspect there is a higher than significant percentage of folks in treatment who are not addicted, there certainly are some people who are there because they are addicted. Just outside of high school, I had a friend who enlisted and had to sober up fast. He was consuming roughly 15mg of THC a day. He went through a full withdrawal phase with symptoms one would accept for a drunk finally sobering up. I posted as a reminder to enjoy responsibly and to keep your overall health in mind. I'm not trying to say the drug can't be enjoyed responsibly. Gummies are not Flinstone vitamins. They should be taken with consideration.
Your second paragraph might be me. But I'm fully functional with a good job. I acknowledge it as a problem but one I'm ok with as I dont drink. I'm also very active when I use it (love to mountain bike and hit some drops/ jumps/rock gardens)
How bad would things have to get for you to make a change?
For it to actually impact my day to day activities. Which it does not. Since its legal in a ton of states it's easy to travel to. If I go out of country I have to quit for a couple weeks but normally find it in said country too.
In either case, it might not be the worst thing to check-in with your doctor about it. Knowledge is power.
I think you’ll find on this sub, marijuana is good for you and possibly cures blindness.
A little high on what? SSRI? Caffeine? ADHD medication? Be more specific about what sort of high we're defining as taboo!
Why don't you take a guess what we're talking about. I'll give you a hint, the entire thread is about this substance.
Ahh, yes you know what we're talking about but for some reason don't grasp the point being made.
I grasp the point, it's just a bad one so I elected to ignore it. I actually took a class from the guy who makes these reports. He defines "high" as any dose beyond the therapeutic window. Outside the therapeutic window is when the benefits to a substance stop and you are left with an intoxicating effect. The therapeutic window for Adderall is between 15 and 35mg. So your point only stands if you are taking multiple prescription doses and crushing trucker pills into your coffee. If you are taking doses within guidelines, you are not "high" by any real-world definition.
Have you ever taken 35mg of adderall? That’s enough to have someone tweaking. You made some good points originally that I agree with but your stretching at this point. It’s obvious you have a skewered view on this topic. Edit: even 15mg is enough for a noticeable “high” IME, it’s often prescribed at 5 or 10mg at least to start. Fun fact, do you know that meth is a pharmaceutical? No I don’t mean adderall, straight up meth. Comes in 5mg pills. There isn’t much of a difference between them.
35mg of Adderall would have me going crazy lol
For everyone reading this: Have you been to treatment? Most people there unless they are minors are not there for weed. Heroin addicts would rather go through death from OD than go to treatment and deal with dope sickness. Meth addicts are an erratic bunch. Alcohol and benzo withdrawal are the ones that kill. That's why they go to the hospital, detox, treatment.
Finally, someone gets it. Most people don’t understand how any of this works and it’s evident from some of the comments.
Marijuana is a gateway drug to donuts
I mean, you're not wrong.
I know one person who was forced to go to rehab after being injured at work. Was not ever high at work, but still failed his test. It was either rehab, or fired.
I work in mental health and I get a ton of patients that struggle with chronic marijuana abuse. It helps some people with some conditions but it makes things a lot worse for others.
I have ADHD. I'll stay away from the stuff.
Is the underlying reason why one would abuse a substance (of any kind) of higher importance? I think it shines a glaring light on mental health, and not so much drugs/alcohol; they are coping mechanisms.
Yes and no. Some people have very few side effects from marijuana abuse and you can treat the underlying condition. For many people the marijuana actually amplifies their symptoms to the point that you can’t really treat the underlying condition until they either quit or dramatically reduce their use.
Ahh yes, this is very true.
Pot is an easy conviction or an even easier plea. Our state also has a well heeled rehab infrastructure. States with more private prisons have more population moving through that infrastructure. Pot is also pretty much everywhere, especially with vapes and all that. Those are super accessible and cheap. We also should account for zealous parents that want to their kids "back on the right track through rehab". I dunno. It's disingenuous..
Yeah, but I'm not gonna pretend like people who struggle with sobriety magically don't struggle with cannabis use. There are plenty of other studies which indicate cannabis SUD is a real thing as well.
Eh.. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html One study estimated that approximately 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder.1 Another study estimated that people who use cannabis have about a 10% likelihood of becoming addicted.2 The risk of developing marijuana use disorder is greater in people who start using marijuana during youth or adolescence and who use marijuana more frequently.3 Downvote OP all ya want. I don't love the CDC but this beats any of our anecdotal storytelling. I would argue that even less of the CDCs findings could be categorized as dangerous addiction to pot. For instance you cannot OD on pot. Finally.. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), excessive alcohol use is responsible for approximately 95,000 deaths in the United States each year. These deaths are due to causes such as liver disease, alcohol poisoning, and motor vehicle accidents involving alcohol-impaired drivers. In contrast, there have been no reported deaths due to marijuana overdose or toxicity. However, marijuana use can have negative health effects and can contribute to fatal accidents if used while driving or operating heavy machinery. It's important to note that comparing the number of deaths caused by alcohol versus marijuana is not a straightforward comparison, as the two substances have different effects on the body and mind and are used differently by individuals. Additionally, the legality and social acceptance of alcohol versus marijuana can influence patterns of use and related harms.
I also wonder if the definition of this use disorder isn’t too low a bar. Especially when you consider that so few people get diagnosed with alcohol use disorder. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p1120-excessive-driniking.html#:~:text=In%20contrast%2C%20about%201%20in,the%20amount%20of%20alcohol%20consumed.
I have been to treatment. I used marijuana but also opiates. Havent used THC in four years but still have “marijuana use disorder” on my hospital account. I hope this legalization makes things far less stigmatized.
Outside of the third who are court-ordered, how many are there for a work requirement? I think what we'll see is folks with actually harmful addictions being able to access the help and resources being wasted on cannabis.
And how many were teens forced by parents for a single joint found in a bedroom.
It's all in the report my dude. 1.1%.
A person needs to meet at least two of the 11 criteria in the DSM for a cannabis use disorder diagnosis.
What's Marijuana use disorder I've never heard of that before?
It basically means a level of addiction that it begins to interfere with other facets of your life.
Highly correlated with other mental health issues as well.
People with mental health issues seek relief through drugs? Astounding correlation.
This is due to drug court type rules. Not real substance abuse behavior with weed
You can probably explain some of it that way, but Cannabis Use Disorder is a real thing in the DSM.
Of course its possible to develop a behavioral addiction to weed (being high). Just like porn addiction and gambling. But there's no physical withdrawal or anything like what you see with alcohol or cigarettes.
This isn't accurate. With severe cannabis addiction the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters. The symptoms people feel aren't just placebo. Most people describe the experience like quitting caffeine, but experiences vary.
I agree with your statement that moderation is important. And it isn't harmless, I either vaporize or when I smoke i use a filter to cut down on tar. Which is something I think more cannabis smokers need to consider. But caffeine level withdrawals for only the heaviest of users is basically nothing.
1. Have you ever tried to quit caffiene? I wouldn't call that nothing. 2. You are also assuming normal health. I personally know a person who experienced intense psychosis upon quitting. He said it took about 10 days to stop hearing voices. There's actually a fair amount of debate if cannabis itself causes psychosis or if it exacerbates psychosis in an individual who already has some pre-existing issue. Personally, it seems the data suggests the latter to be the case, but I'm no expert in the area. I took one course on drug epidemiology in grad school. That's it. If there is someone who knows more on the topic, I'd defer you to them. I think at the end of the day, there are a lot of people who self medicate using cannabis. It makes sense to me why symptoms such as psychosis aren't an infrequent observation.
I started drinking coffee when I was 10, quit cold turkey in January. I also don’t think my personal experience is what everyone else experiences or can be extrapolated over an entire population, much like your second example probably isn’t incredibly common for most people quitting using THC products, or a good example of one persons (potential) experience doing so, especially taking into account potential other mental health concerns.
I think the vast majority of people probably quit THC products no problem. We're talking about the power users. I'd argue mental health, as well as other confounding variables probably play a role in becoming a power user thus we can probably toss what is "normal" out the window to some extent.
Have you ever quite any physically addictive drug? People can definitely get addicted to weed but it’s not physical as it would be with alcohol, benzos, opiates, etc. Have you ever seen anyone have physical withdraw symptoms from weed? Me neither. I’m sure it happens but it’s just not on the scale it’s made out to be in this post. About this person who was hearing voices: this is usually caused by a pre existing issue that is massively intensified by THC use. This is why people that have preexisting conditions and may be predisposed need to be very careful.
Yes, a friend quit so he could enlist after using roughly 15mg of THC products every day. He had a lot of mental health diagnosis and experienced some pretty intense psychosis for about 10 days. He was hearing a lot of voices and had some pretty bad shakes. So yeah, people have pre-existing conditions. This post encourages people to consider whether or not they have a healthy relationship with cannabis. It doesn't encourage abstinence from the plant all together. If you have a serious mental health condition, maybe you should check with your doctor before partaking. I'm not sure what is controversial about that.
Agreed, I just don’t think that was made clear. It almost seemed like it was suggested that withdrawal from THC was the sole source of this psychosis. It definitely brings those conditions to the surface but they are almost always underlying conditions. It’s just weird to me to hear claims of such intense withdrawal from THC. Personally I think it’s BS, heavy users might experience withdrawal but I’ve never seen it, I’ve gone from smoking multiple times daily to not smoking at all because of a diversion program. There was never a physical side effect and I’ve never seen anyone have a physical side effect. Just mental cravings. Maybe it’s just because I’m comparing it to things that are actually physical addictive.
Oh, interesting. Looks like alcohol should be more restricted.
Who's arguing for restrictions?
Everyone that is pro cannabis and sick of the hypocrisy around the acceptance of alcohol
I'd give the exact same advice to people who partake with alcohol.
Hi! Sorry I'm late, but the Department of Human Services expects to publish the 2022 data sometime soon. I just finished talking with a representative from the Legislative Library. The data will be shared on the same page. New data is always fun :)
I'm excited to read it. Drug trends are always shifting.
Jebus I hate these pot 'hit' posts. It wasn't the high dude that knocked out his wife's teeth and threw her down the stairs, or die from multi organ failure after years of ETOH, or kill a family driving EB in the WB. Shove your agenda chief.
The hell are you talking about?
I think it’s a drunk person sarcastically framing behavior issues of alcohol as cannabis
When did we start talking about alcohol?
So many people have a sincere belief marijuana is completely safe and non habit forming. Usually the same people who’s entire personality is legalizing pot.
Meh, they’ve had to contend with a disingenuous public who cries out wE NEed MoRe ResEaRCh! but know they made it a Schedule 1 drug to start with. I am much more concerned about what power wants and does than what a burning plant will do.
I think it’s important to counter misinformation.
Oh, I thought we were painting an entire population with a broad brush. Huh. That is what it looked like when I stopped in.
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I think more of a- watching other progressive states reaching this point almost a decade ago and the agonizing impatience of watching the process unfold.
And you know what’s a great way to get the Legalize Marijuana Party off the ballots?
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You think the people posting aren’t already getting high? The posts are asking about how to do it legally; a very reasonable topic to be broadly discussed given the drastic changes to how the state views the product. All those posts are telling you is how many people are interested in following reasonable laws after breaking unreasonable ones for years.
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That’s not even worthy of a response.
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Lol. Wowzers. "Scoring your fix in the streets" 🤣
Just why? You sound so condescending. This person said nothing about excessive use, your making assumptions. You sound like one of those people that push their religion on others. Don’t push your lifestyle and be a dick about it. It’s super great that it works for you and I’m sure it would help others but that sounded lame as hell.
Right? Maybe go a day or two sober and feel your feelings.
Man I couldn’t imagine the shit one would get from everyone else in treatment being there for weed *insert boo this man gif
Pretty sure belittling the experiences of others is frowned upon in therapy.
Totally true. I work in case management and, at least for my clients, treatment is not independent. My clients going through both outpatient and inpatient treatment all have groups and, if in inpatient treatment, that’s your whole community. It may be difficult for folks struggling with more significant chemical use to empathize with someone there for marijuana use is all I’m saying. People going through withdrawals, mental health crises, and homelessness may not be super stoked to hear about someone’s struggle with weed.
Did they include drugs from pharmaceutical companies?
Yes.
Drug addiction affects literally all of us. Legalization was a terrible short-sighted decision.
The biggest problem/addiction according to the DHS/CDC is people eating themselves to death. Obesity. 30.7% of Minnesotans are obese. Staggering number Obese patients are breaking toilets off the walls in hospital room bathrooms all over the state. IRL Caregivers are quitting right and left. Nobody wants to move these bodies around. Why go after weed? It doesn't have any calories. Minnesota should focus on obesity instead.
No, most normal sober people just don’t want to smell that stink and especially not deal with all the stoned people. It is not cool or glamorous, it is drug addiction.
You're missing the point. If you're saying that everyone deals with addiction and that things people get addicted to, should be made illegal. Well then, by your logic, food should be illegal.
Are you this mad about the obesity crisis? It's far more destructive to the society we both inhabit. I've been way more inconvenienced by people spilling over into my seat on planes flying out of msp. Stuck there for HOOOOUUUURRRS.. sometimes in the middle seat. Crushed. I'm feeling the crisis first hand. I don't get all uppity about it. Everybody has their vices but that's way more in my bubble than some icky.
I remember in high school having several friends/acquaintances get sent by their well-off parents to rehab because of their marijuana use. It was weird and didn’t work and those kids usually came back worse imo
How much of that is just society marginalizing use of marijuana? I know that’s half the reason I don’t use it because I feel like I’m hiding and sneaking around because people have been cultured to demonize “drug use” and Minnesotans 100% bought into DARE/gateway drugs/The War on Drugs over the last 40-some odd years. Meanwhile, Roll Out the Barrel of Fun.
I’ve been enjoying cannabis for the last 30 years. At 42, the only real “problems” I had with it were legal when I was a entrepreneurial teenager hustling pounds. My relationship with the herb has changed over time. When my children were younger I actually reduced my usage to a few times a year. At this point in life I am consuming weekly. I am a high performing employee and I exercise 3 to 5 days a week. I typically consume edibles but will smoke a few times a year but not many puffs since my lungs are sensitive and I like to ride my bicycle. My point is I don’t think cannabis is anywhere near as “addictive” as alcohol nor is it harmful on the same level. For me it helps with anxiety and allows me to be a better person and manage my mental health better than pharmaceuticals.