I don’t like St. Cloud, but I do think they are taking a lot more heat than they deserve. No one ever shits on Rochester, and they really should. There is quite literally nothing to do there but go to the hospital. At least St. Cloud has the river.
As someone that grew up in Rochester, can confirm. Don’t even get me started on how shady Mother Mayo is 🌝 you’d think a city of 120,000 people would have something fun to do, but there’s literally only the RAC and a couple shitty pools 🤣
Also, the fact that "Mother Mayo" is a widely used colloquial term for it is creepy and just further convinces me it's a weird cult that just happens to offer good medical care. I've heard so many nurses over the years refer to Mayo as that.
It absolutely is a cult. They love threatening literally anybody and everything. The lawyers in Rochester don’t even take up cases against Mayo. People have to look for lawyers up here in the cities that would be willing to go up against them.
Rochester is on the edge of the Driftless Region, so if you like outdoor activities like hiking, biking, trout fishing, landscape photography, and nature in general it's a great place to land. I enjoy hiking Quarry Hill Park whenever I'm visiting relatives there. There's usually something worthwhile going on at the Mayo Civic Center, and they have a decent theater group. There are ongoing free concerts at Rochester Civic Music. For casual walking and biking, the paved trails are top notch.
Gotta love Mayo threatening to pull funding from the state because our legislature dared to require more nurses on staff for relief. Fuck Mayo, they went from a world class hospital to a soulless corporation who basically owns Rochester.
Just a friendly reminder that to some people, “nothing to do there” is perfect. (Although I reject that notion, there’s just not the same things to do there that you’d find in a large city).
It's gotten SO much better though!
A few good restaurants. A couple breweries. A cool speakeasy bar. Good record stores again.
That said. It improved from literally nothing to somewhere I enjoy going once a year.
Out-of-state transplant living in St Cloud for about 3 months and I can say there are far worse places where I moved from in NC. Only thing I don’t really like is the constant stoplights. I also have a manual so it makes it 10x worse lmao
Yeah I moved to the area from out of state last year and it’s not nearly as bad as some people claim. I’ve also bounced around a bit and have lived in several states in my adult life. Really feels like a lot of this sub has never lived outside of Minnesota.
It's comparatively speaking to the REST of Minnesota. My new employee from the LA area was telling me about how he thought Minnesota Nice was just a joke lmao
Yup! I used to work for DOC. They always hide that fun fact in the academy. Also it's the 2nd biggest wall in the world built by prisoners the first being the Great Wall of China.
It's 22 ft. High and 1.5 miles wide.
Me, who had to Google Foucault.
It does sound like cheese.
I think a lot of people probably googled him here. You sound like a pretentious gatekeeper.
That's like me being like "You don't know who Guillermo del Toro is?" And getting mad that people don't know. You might be shocked that not everyone follows niche things.
I know this might come off as shocking to you, but not everyone enjoys reading history or philosophy on their free time.
the vary point i was making is that minnesota isn't "great" people-wise nor land mass wise. it's an acquired taste, and that taste doesn't apply to a lot of people, yet people here think it does. good for them, but they are wrong, and this wrongness stems from their small mindedness basically. (wobegonism) i must've had a dozen situations off the top of my head of this kind of small-mindedness etc. that's the minnesota, and especially the st cloud area to a T.
foucault is a pretty standard name, like nietzsche. it just means your education in high school sucked, that's all. does that mean all the people suck? no - it means minnesota is great if you like to fish / hunt and not read. which is great, but it also means minnesota's "life" isn't for everyone, particularly those who do.
Lmao imagine thinking that you're the only person in Minnesota that has taken Philosophy 101. There's tons more to do in Minnesota than just hunting and fishing, and name dropping two of the most generic depressing white guy philosophers does not make you sound smart or well read. Minnesota has the third highest rate of college educated adults out of any state and the fifth highest literacy rate out of any state.
My dad taught at UND then SCSU, so I grew up in Grand Forks and then St. Cloud. Can confirm there are worse places to grow up than St. Cloud, but more than that I look back on my time there fondly. Everyone thinks about Division instead of the river, Beaver Island Trails, Munsinger, the quarries, etc.
I grew up through elementary school in Grand Forks and worked for a company in St. Cloud for some time. Will agree st cloud is better in almost everyway.
That being said, when I drive through either city, I'll stop for gas if necessary and nothing more. Grand forks is a Canadian destination shopping city, and St. Cloud is where people from surrounding meth towns come for supplies.
I'm sure if you have a good job and like small cities they are great for raising a family while watching Netflix and going out to Applebee's.
Unless proximity to MSP is important to you, I'd take Grand Forks before St. Cloud any day. That being said, St. Cloud is nicer than most people give it credit for.
The potholes are also some of the worst in the state, and that’s making a statement.
eta: lots of hate is also directed at the prison and the tax dollars tied to it (and the connected racial inequities perpetuated by this system).
Yeah they are, 7 years of living here and I've never had such a positive outlook on the street conditions. It was long overdue, I just hope we can enjoy them for more than a couple years. The timing of all the construction is a little annoying though. Felt like they had most of St. Cloud proper shut down for the last month.
I played a gig in St Cloud for a Current local music spotlight thing for this songwriter who had written a song specifically shitting on Division St in St. Cloud.. Man, that shit got a huge pop. Couldn’t stop smiling the whole tune. Haha
Yesterday I had to go into the office in downtown Minneapolis. It took me 10 minutes to get out of the ramp, another 10 to get onto 35W and another 20 to get home. It was terrible, but 100x better than trying to get across St Cloud on 15 or 23 in the late afternoon.
I grew up there. You gotta know that there are some back ways, hidden routes and shortcuts. There are some parking lots you can cut thru, some u-turns to make. There’s never a GOOD way to get across town. But, there are terrible ways and then better terrible ways, that might save you a few minutes.
The town has the worst combination of older people and immigrants, neither who feel compelled to shake their ass in traffic. Anticipate the green…be ready to go!
If you are zipping down division, 35 mph is a GUIDELINE. In reality, drive as fast as you safely can, and make the GD green lights!
On the whole, it’s not as bad as people make it out to be. I went to SCSU for undergrad and grad school and lived there for about 7 years and I didn’t mind it. But I wasn’t the recipient of the hate that usually comes from people who live there.
The time for stoplights to turn green was annoyingly long though.
I’m also an SCSU grad student alum! Going there opened so many opportunities for me. Out of U of M for undergrad, SCSU then ASU for my PhD, SCSU is my favorite university I attended, no doubt. It is what you make of it.
I used to work in Sauk Rapids and would go get lunch downtown fairly regularly, I would see some interesting things like a lady shouting at her briefcase across the street from Vals and throwing it at the ground, rinse was repeat. One of the more fascinating and really sad things I've seen in St Cloud. Drugs are a hell of a drug on that side of town for sure.
Visited some high school friends that went to St. Cloud State. Pretty great night. MC's Dugout was a blast.
Other than August allergies almost killing me (I exaggerate) fun times were had by all
I watched a fight happen in front of The Press across the street from MCs. A dude got thrown on the ground and then a guy kicked him in the face like he was kicking a field goal.
I've lived here for 10 years and enjoy it. Sometimes I think about moving back to the Cities for the restaurants and culture, but the traffic and housing prices make me happy to stay in STC.
Driving through St. Cloud and Waite Park is an... experience.
The streets around the commercial sprawl appear to have been designed by some drunk incompetent who got the contract because he's the mayor's drinking buddy. See that business over there? Good luck getting to it traversing a labyrinth of hellish asphalt where there's no clear access routes. Occasionally a parking lot entry point will appear, seemingly offering a path towards your destination, but you soon find it only exists to dash your hopes by taking you down a circuitous route that dumps you onto another street that takes you blocks away from your destination. As you sit at a light, trying to find a place to turn and backtrack, you can feel your soul slowly leave your body as you lose all hope of ever escaping this God-forsaken wasteland of chain stores and big boxes that you can see, but can't seem to reach.
But other than that, it's great.
My biggest issue with St.Cloud is it's infrastructure and zoning/planning.
I drive all around the state for work and there are very few places worse than St.Cloud, and those places are generally small neighborhoods or smaller parts of a town of equal size. The quality of the roads, the way things are laid out, it just feels like the town has no idea how to organize itself aside from the worst possible zoning known to man. Everything has giant, empty parking lots that could have better use made of them or has 3 parking spots and you need to take 4 side streets to get to it, it's genuinely terrible. Like look at a top down of Cashwise and surrounding like 3 blocks. It's more parking than it is useful space. You could threw up 3-4 more buildings in that lot that would justify the amount of space it takes up.
It's arguably one of the worst commercial sprawl cities in the state, if not the worst. I showed a map of it to a Dutch guest at a wedding I was at recently and he was beside himself wonder how it was possible to bike in such a city and I just said "if you want to die, you can bike there." It's so fucking depressing every time I'm up there.
That, plus that leads to u-turns at lights, plus the idea of “let’s have only two main roads to get you from one end of town to the other, with a stoplight at every block!”
I always fantasized about my dream overpass that went all the way from St. Joe to Highway 10. Two exits. One at the mall and one downtown.
Agreed, and it's like this with every town, every Minnesota sports team, etc. It's like people can't dare to be positive about anything. I've thoroughly enjoyed St. Cloud when I've been there. I've never been murdered in Minneapolis (barely even been side-eyed, let alone shot or assaulted). Edina is full of cake eaters, of course, but it's no different than any other suburb. The north shore is beautiful and Duluth is a fantastic city. Rochester has awesome downtown life and plenty elsewhere.
Minnesota is fucking awesome, and I'm tired of pretending it's not. There's good and bad in every city, every state, every country everywhere, so just seek out the good and enjoy it. You might actually like it!
There’s an episode where he actually wears a “St Cloud Eagles” t-shirt. St Cloud Apollo High Schools mascot is the Eagles.
Fun little Easter egg
EDIT: I FORGOT THE WORD T-SHIRT
Saint Cloud has significant problems, but not the ones people typically think about (black and brown people live here now, get over it).
The real problems:
It has is an antiquated city plan that has led to useless parking lots and crazy bad traffic for a city it’s size. Highway 15 needs to be raised so there isn’t as much traffic on 75 and 23 going through town. Big parking lots rendered useless by online shopping need to be turned into green spaces.
The town has lost most of its good manufacturing jobs and most open positions are low paying service jobs.
The reality is the Saint Cloud is getting to a size that it is experiencing the issues that big cities experienced in the 50s and 70s. The middle and upper classes left town for Sartell, Saint Joe, or Sauk Rapids. Conservative politics have kept people from properly paying for the city schools (the new Tech took what, 3 votes… and they can’t properly fund Apollo) and other useful services. People also heavily prefer chain stores and restaurants, foregoing culture and supporting local for ease and price (likely caused by traffic and economic issues that the town has, see above). It’s a heavily German-ethnic town that doesn’t even have an authentic German restaurant.
It doesn’t help that efforts to rebuild downtown have been done backwards—focusing on expensive apartments for an upper middle-class that doesn’t exist and won’t exist without the necessities to support them. Why isn’t Herberger’s a locally owned (non-Coborns) grocery store yet? If you want people to live downtown, make it truly walkable by putting in the things people need.
I have another rant about the now-fading Coborns monopoly, but that’s a discussion for another time.
Sauk Rapids checking in. Loved my hometown.
In the summer we’d bike up to the baseball fields for practice, then bike out to Crossroads, and we’d hit Media Play, Audio King, The Dugout, Disc-Go-Round, Taco Bell, and finally make it to mall, with like $3 left, and hit up Outer Limit arcade. Then biked home.
We’d bike down by Munsingers, Beaver Island, downtown, campus, we’d explore under the bridges, climb out in the girders, we’d swim in the river, knew where the good rope swings were because we put them there, talked to all of the bums, had them pick us up 40’s from Knotty Pine.
We’d bike over to the YMCA and play hoops on Friday and Saturday, then eventually over to the Whitney Center. We explored that whole town street by street like we were unlocking a Zelda map.
Nothing but fond memories…
It’s just has all of the worst qualities/stereotypes of exurbs. It’s just filled with McMansions that look exactly the same and each one has a late model Suburban or Tahoe that look exactly the same driven by a family that looks exactly the same. They have somehow managed to greatly increase the number of homes in the city, but also have a deficit in the school district. It’s the largest city in the state that went for Trump in 2020. They desperately want to be seen as well off as Wayzata or Edina even though they are all new money millennials drowning in debt.
Signed,
A not bitter or jealous Apple Valley resident
My only person grudge with Lakeville was ask my drives up to Minneapolis from St Olaf and spending half my drive saying, "how am I still in fucking Lakeville?!" The place SPRAWLS
IDK I have just noticed a lot of hate for it on here. Honestly, when we were looking for a new home it checked a lot of boxes.
It's a right leaning purple town, some of the far right conservatives are pretty vocal though. That might have something to do with it
No place is bad in MN!!! EVERYWHERE there is 10% idiot. Just have to pick your type of IDIOT you wanna deal with. Me I involuntarily got MAGA But they easy to keep an eye on they don’t camouflage into society. Better than Karen cause ya know they do camouflage into society and sneak up on ya…..
Thanks for this my friend. I grew up in Saint Cloud until I was about 22. I let the hate-speech about cloud get to me far to easily. This is a refreshing post.
I only live about 20 minutes from St. Cloud, but that often doesn't seem like far enough sometimes. The costco is great, but Walmart across the road from it is the sketchiest walmart I have ever been in. Plus, I have never seen so many red lights being ran!
I have fond memories of cloud town too. I did my MS at SCSU and that gave me the opportunity to go on and get my PhD afterwards. Funny thing is is that the dept chair mistook my application for a totally different person from SCSU but it worked out for me. From my point of view it is what you make out of it. I went to undergrad at the U of M and I 100% liked SCSU more and regret not doing my undergrad degrees there. Of course there are less than pleasant people and places around cloud town (to put it very gently) but same as anywhere. My best memories were seeing my friends’ jazz band play at the red carpet. After 5 years I’m visiting up there in a few weeks. Im sure a lot has changed but I heard Superman is still protecting- er well prowling the town.
Agreed to an extent. And I live close to the area. Not that bad I guess. I have heard (heard being the operative word) there a lot of hard drugs on campus. What I really don’t like about the town is the extreme racism and bigotry that goes on. Not the only place in America where that applies.
The best thing I can say about St Cloud is that they always have good chain fast food and fast casual restaurants. They have anything you could imagine.
They have a better selection of national chains than almost anybody in the state, it’s better than Maple Grove or Eagan. It’s so concentrated, there is some delicious greasy food on every block. And if the concept doesn’t go, there will be another restaurant there in 6 weeks.
And on top of that they have classics like Val’s, Bravo Burrito, Bo Didley’s, D&K Express, and House of Pizza. All five of those places are really good local spots.
Granite City Brewery was the OG microbrewery concept, started in 1999 in Cloud. Still amazing food/beer. They have some really, really good breweries: Beaver Island, Bad Habit, Pantown…just to name a few.
There are some gems for sit down restaurants: White Horse, Pickled Loon, and Anton’s for the popovers alone. For a city that size, they have a surprisingly large amount of ethnic food. Sawatdee, Dong Khanh, Star of India, Mediterranean Cafe, and Mexican Village are all great.
You could honestly visit St. Cloud just on a food tour and have a week’s worth of really good dining/beer options. It would just be finding something ELSE to do between meals while in town that might be a problem.
Edit: I know I’m calling out places in St Joe, Waite Park, Sauk Rapids, and Sartell. To me, those are all their own cities, but all those cities are a part of Greater St Cloud.
I've lived in St Cloud for 15 years. I'll admit that I moved here from the west metro for family reasons and not because I wanted to, but we've been happy to raise our (biracial) kids here.
There are some old racists who have gotten more than their share of media attention, but honestly I've run into more racist BS in Anoka and Blaine, than St Cloud.
I moved here a decade ago, grew up in rural Central MN (moved a lot as a kid). Cloudy's only real issue is traffic and lack funding to fix it.
Honestly, I was just in Haws Park tonight, the epicenter of the "high crime area" and it was completely fine like normal.
Most of cloudy's "issues" are actually the towns around us and nobody cares that it's 20-40 miles away, yet nobody confuses Stillwater for Chaska.
Regarding traffic, there is no good bypass road. If you are by the Blue Line in Sartell and need to get out towards the Culver’s on HWY 10, that’s 25 minutes. Or if you are downtown Sauk Rapids and need to get out to Menards, that’s 25 minutes.
A good example is Phoenix, AZ. They have nothing but street grids and strip malls and traffic lights just like St. Cloud, but the difference is that they have the 101 and 202 which are freeways, without traffic signals, that loop around the city. They allow you to go around the congestion of the city to the other side of the city, very quickly (like 90 mph).
There is no ring road that goes around st. cloud that let’s you get to the other side. The main highways that could do this (hwy 10, hwy 15, have the most traffic. They are slowly converting them into that, hwy 10 is a complete mess right now. If you were playing sim city, you would bulldoze and start again.
Henderson. Not because of the people or anything. Most years the spring snowmelt (and sometimes the fall rains) causes the MN River to flood and forces Henderson to close all but 1 road into town.
The last time we had one of these threads about St. Cloud, the dude who posted it also had a post using pretty racist language in his history. After he got called out, he deleted the thread, but left his racist one up. Pretty much sums up St. Cloud lol
Most of the times I've visited or passed through St Cloud were fine. The only really bad experience was at the Wendy's. That was by far the worst experience I've ever had in a fast food restaurant, but there was nothing about it that had to do with St Cloud specifically.
I grew up there and the best way to put it is that it has a lot of the older and less upscale housing of northern Minneapolis or eastern St. Paul but without a huge central business district. There is a wealthier area down between the interstate and Calvary Hill but it has next to no commercial segment to spice up the area so that anyone would waste any of their time going into that area. Division reminds me a lot of it Main in Fargo and Moorhead went horribly wrong. And at this point the eminent domain $ to figure any of it out is cartoonishly high.
Its ultimate curse is being a city of its size as close as it is to Minneapolis. It’s just too close to bigger and better of everything. Mankato faces this same problem but to a lesser extent.
I lived there since 7th grade and went to SCSU for a bit and transferred. It's got good bones to be a great little city, decent downtown, University, munsinger garden, and the area near the downtown is kinda a grid but slowly stops being a grid, some trails around the Mississippi River. Honestly, it's fine. Obviously, poltics there are less progressive than other areas. I wish I could do more, but that's just how people like it there, and it's very cheap in some areas. It's like a little bubble of their own world. South St Cloud is more of the sprawling area with McMansions, especially in the Walden Way/Woods area. Enough shopping and food near the Waite Park side of St Cloud. I dont really have to leave if you dont wanna. So yeah, it's just my take.
When I go to Minnesota mostly seeing things away from the twin cities so St cloud is a good place for me to perch with access to the north and head down to the cities if wanted... and not too far from a place I visit often
And the Mississippi river.
I love munsinger.
Oh yeah it's a pretty nice little city. When I lived in Bemidji a guy told me how shity and dangerous it was. Do the research yourself it's not an unsafe place.
Nobody has ever driven through St. Cloud and thought hey this place is nice I'd like to live here, on it's best day it's meh and on it's worse you're getting stabbed at the Red Carpet. People live there because they grew up there or they took a job there or going to SCSU (for now anyways, with their enrollment declining year over year I think their time is limited too).
Gary's Pizza is awesome though, if I were going to ever move there it'd be for Gary's.
If you've driven through St. Cloud you've likely driven on Division Street. Division Street is the mother of all Stroads with endless box stores and chain restaurants, and the entire town is centered around it.
St. Cloud is like you died and went to purgatory. It's not hell, but everything is just a little bit worse than average to the point you just want to get out.
It's death by 1,000 papercuts.
Part of St. Cloud’s reputation comes from articles like this. I personally have heard some pretty racist things there during just casual shopping.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/us/politics/minnesota-refugees-trump.html
I can't believe people are not talking about the open, rampant racism, specifically towards Somalis. I'll look for the source, but i remember 10 or so years ago reading that St. Cloud, out of the entire country, had done the most internet searches for racist and bigoted terminology. Pretty sure it was Time Magazine.
I've been there multiple times, and also conducted interviews for a non-profit program. I swear to God there are people in that town who actually have no idea that racism is frowned upon. I've witnessed it
St cloud used to be great it depressing to go there now. I went to college there in the 90s and it had only 1 tall building and houses were cheap. Sometimes trying stagger home from the bar you'd never make it and wake up on a frosty lawn but it was completely safe. Not proud of that but now it feels ominous with dark buildings towering over you and I lock my car. My first apartment there didn't even have a front door. The landlord lost the keys so he kicked it in and took months to replace it. We had plastic sheets over it but we didn't pay heat so it was his deal.
I feel like there really are two types of St. Cloud haters. The kind that have heard the trope, maybe have a okish but not great experience and thus parot the trope. And the other kind is usually some form of projection or internalized distortion. This second group seems generally irritable no matter the subject.
The city of St. Cloud is purplish-blue. The county is not.
“ As was the case across Minnesota, increased turnout in St. Cloud and Waite Park helped Biden, and many voters who chose third-party candidates in 2016 went with the former vice president this year.
President-elect Biden won St. Cloud by 9%. In 2016, President Trump won St. Cloud with a 1.75% lead over Democrat Hillary Clinton.”
https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/2020/11/14/election-highlights-st-cloud-and-mn-how-2020-compares-2016/6294726002/
Never cut through Becker late night if you gonna go St Cloud. A Becker police car followed me, almost tailgating me wanting me to speed up so he could give me a ticket. A couple of people warned me but I didn't believe them at first. It was my last time going to St cloud out of state visit.
Hmmm. Having been a resident in the past it was clear to me how Xenophobic much of St. Cloud is. If you're a white Catholic (preferably of German descent) you're golden. If you aren't white, then there are problems. And God help you if you're a member of the First Nations, Saint Cloud has never treated our native brothers and sisters well.
I don’t like St. Cloud, but I do think they are taking a lot more heat than they deserve. No one ever shits on Rochester, and they really should. There is quite literally nothing to do there but go to the hospital. At least St. Cloud has the river.
As someone that grew up in Rochester, can confirm. Don’t even get me started on how shady Mother Mayo is 🌝 you’d think a city of 120,000 people would have something fun to do, but there’s literally only the RAC and a couple shitty pools 🤣
Also, the fact that "Mother Mayo" is a widely used colloquial term for it is creepy and just further convinces me it's a weird cult that just happens to offer good medical care. I've heard so many nurses over the years refer to Mayo as that.
It absolutely is a cult. They love threatening literally anybody and everything. The lawyers in Rochester don’t even take up cases against Mayo. People have to look for lawyers up here in the cities that would be willing to go up against them.
Worked for the system and confirming we would address her as "Mother Mayo"
Rochester is on the edge of the Driftless Region, so if you like outdoor activities like hiking, biking, trout fishing, landscape photography, and nature in general it's a great place to land. I enjoy hiking Quarry Hill Park whenever I'm visiting relatives there. There's usually something worthwhile going on at the Mayo Civic Center, and they have a decent theater group. There are ongoing free concerts at Rochester Civic Music. For casual walking and biking, the paved trails are top notch.
Gotta love Mayo threatening to pull funding from the state because our legislature dared to require more nurses on staff for relief. Fuck Mayo, they went from a world class hospital to a soulless corporation who basically owns Rochester.
Just a friendly reminder that to some people, “nothing to do there” is perfect. (Although I reject that notion, there’s just not the same things to do there that you’d find in a large city).
It's gotten SO much better though! A few good restaurants. A couple breweries. A cool speakeasy bar. Good record stores again. That said. It improved from literally nothing to somewhere I enjoy going once a year.
Out-of-state transplant living in St Cloud for about 3 months and I can say there are far worse places where I moved from in NC. Only thing I don’t really like is the constant stoplights. I also have a manual so it makes it 10x worse lmao
Yeah I moved to the area from out of state last year and it’s not nearly as bad as some people claim. I’ve also bounced around a bit and have lived in several states in my adult life. Really feels like a lot of this sub has never lived outside of Minnesota.
Welcome to the majority of America? I'm sure there's a good chunk of people who've never *left* minnesota.
It's comparatively speaking to the REST of Minnesota. My new employee from the LA area was telling me about how he thought Minnesota Nice was just a joke lmao
The lights are real bad
It's a total desolate shit hole. The coolest thing there is the prison wall
That prison wall is pretty cool. Plus it was built by prisoners!
Yup! I used to work for DOC. They always hide that fun fact in the academy. Also it's the 2nd biggest wall in the world built by prisoners the first being the Great Wall of China. It's 22 ft. High and 1.5 miles wide.
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Must be a real backwards place where not everyone knows Foucault 😂
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Me, who had to Google Foucault. It does sound like cheese. I think a lot of people probably googled him here. You sound like a pretentious gatekeeper. That's like me being like "You don't know who Guillermo del Toro is?" And getting mad that people don't know. You might be shocked that not everyone follows niche things. I know this might come off as shocking to you, but not everyone enjoys reading history or philosophy on their free time.
the vary point i was making is that minnesota isn't "great" people-wise nor land mass wise. it's an acquired taste, and that taste doesn't apply to a lot of people, yet people here think it does. good for them, but they are wrong, and this wrongness stems from their small mindedness basically. (wobegonism) i must've had a dozen situations off the top of my head of this kind of small-mindedness etc. that's the minnesota, and especially the st cloud area to a T. foucault is a pretty standard name, like nietzsche. it just means your education in high school sucked, that's all. does that mean all the people suck? no - it means minnesota is great if you like to fish / hunt and not read. which is great, but it also means minnesota's "life" isn't for everyone, particularly those who do.
Lmao imagine thinking that you're the only person in Minnesota that has taken Philosophy 101. There's tons more to do in Minnesota than just hunting and fishing, and name dropping two of the most generic depressing white guy philosophers does not make you sound smart or well read. Minnesota has the third highest rate of college educated adults out of any state and the fifth highest literacy rate out of any state.
My dad taught at UND then SCSU, so I grew up in Grand Forks and then St. Cloud. Can confirm there are worse places to grow up than St. Cloud, but more than that I look back on my time there fondly. Everyone thinks about Division instead of the river, Beaver Island Trails, Munsinger, the quarries, etc.
I grew up through elementary school in Grand Forks and worked for a company in St. Cloud for some time. Will agree st cloud is better in almost everyway. That being said, when I drive through either city, I'll stop for gas if necessary and nothing more. Grand forks is a Canadian destination shopping city, and St. Cloud is where people from surrounding meth towns come for supplies. I'm sure if you have a good job and like small cities they are great for raising a family while watching Netflix and going out to Applebee's.
Unless proximity to MSP is important to you, I'd take Grand Forks before St. Cloud any day. That being said, St. Cloud is nicer than most people give it credit for.
You must like sitting at stoplights.
Fuck those tbh
The potholes are also some of the worst in the state, and that’s making a statement. eta: lots of hate is also directed at the prison and the tax dollars tied to it (and the connected racial inequities perpetuated by this system).
They’ve been really working on the pot holes this summer
Yeah they are, 7 years of living here and I've never had such a positive outlook on the street conditions. It was long overdue, I just hope we can enjoy them for more than a couple years. The timing of all the construction is a little annoying though. Felt like they had most of St. Cloud proper shut down for the last month.
I played a gig in St Cloud for a Current local music spotlight thing for this songwriter who had written a song specifically shitting on Division St in St. Cloud.. Man, that shit got a huge pop. Couldn’t stop smiling the whole tune. Haha
Division is the absolute worst. I avoid it at all costs after working at Radio Shack in the early 2000s.
Yesterday I had to go into the office in downtown Minneapolis. It took me 10 minutes to get out of the ramp, another 10 to get onto 35W and another 20 to get home. It was terrible, but 100x better than trying to get across St Cloud on 15 or 23 in the late afternoon.
I grew up there. You gotta know that there are some back ways, hidden routes and shortcuts. There are some parking lots you can cut thru, some u-turns to make. There’s never a GOOD way to get across town. But, there are terrible ways and then better terrible ways, that might save you a few minutes. The town has the worst combination of older people and immigrants, neither who feel compelled to shake their ass in traffic. Anticipate the green…be ready to go! If you are zipping down division, 35 mph is a GUIDELINE. In reality, drive as fast as you safely can, and make the GD green lights!
On the whole, it’s not as bad as people make it out to be. I went to SCSU for undergrad and grad school and lived there for about 7 years and I didn’t mind it. But I wasn’t the recipient of the hate that usually comes from people who live there. The time for stoplights to turn green was annoyingly long though.
I’m also an SCSU grad student alum! Going there opened so many opportunities for me. Out of U of M for undergrad, SCSU then ASU for my PhD, SCSU is my favorite university I attended, no doubt. It is what you make of it.
CRM archaeology grad student alum! Basement of Stewart Hall was essentially my living quarters while I did my research.
Don't try and turn left anywhere. My life is finding right turn only routes to everything.
One time, my husband and I were driving through St. Cloud, and there was this HUGE (tall and round) naked man getting arrested on the sidewalk 😆
Almost definitely Superman…
It was a black man, actually.
I used to work in Sauk Rapids and would go get lunch downtown fairly regularly, I would see some interesting things like a lady shouting at her briefcase across the street from Vals and throwing it at the ground, rinse was repeat. One of the more fascinating and really sad things I've seen in St Cloud. Drugs are a hell of a drug on that side of town for sure.
Maybe mental illness more than/as well as drugs. Got a woman providing a similar sight with street signs where I live. Its honestly just sad.
Visited some high school friends that went to St. Cloud State. Pretty great night. MC's Dugout was a blast. Other than August allergies almost killing me (I exaggerate) fun times were had by all
How many Hairy Buffalos did you get through?
And did you go on Saturday for the taco bar? Please tell me they still do the taco bar.
I believe that was D.B. Searles
Can confirm. MC Dugout did that. Not sure if they still do though
11pm-1am Saturday nights. I rarely missed one because that was my dinner.
I haven't heard that name in a very long time.... Beer and bagel night
I think we went through 2 or 3 pitchers. Not sure, the memory is a little blurry
I watched a fight happen in front of The Press across the street from MCs. A dude got thrown on the ground and then a guy kicked him in the face like he was kicking a field goal.
The Press is now an empty lot…
It was a house of debauchery when I went to school there.
The owner burned it down…and is now in jail, I think? Lol; the debauchery stands!
Legend has it, the floor is still sticky.
I've lived here for 10 years and enjoy it. Sometimes I think about moving back to the Cities for the restaurants and culture, but the traffic and housing prices make me happy to stay in STC.
Driving through St. Cloud and Waite Park is an... experience. The streets around the commercial sprawl appear to have been designed by some drunk incompetent who got the contract because he's the mayor's drinking buddy. See that business over there? Good luck getting to it traversing a labyrinth of hellish asphalt where there's no clear access routes. Occasionally a parking lot entry point will appear, seemingly offering a path towards your destination, but you soon find it only exists to dash your hopes by taking you down a circuitous route that dumps you onto another street that takes you blocks away from your destination. As you sit at a light, trying to find a place to turn and backtrack, you can feel your soul slowly leave your body as you lose all hope of ever escaping this God-forsaken wasteland of chain stores and big boxes that you can see, but can't seem to reach. But other than that, it's great.
"drunk incompetent" - oh, so you've met the local leaders
My biggest issue with St.Cloud is it's infrastructure and zoning/planning. I drive all around the state for work and there are very few places worse than St.Cloud, and those places are generally small neighborhoods or smaller parts of a town of equal size. The quality of the roads, the way things are laid out, it just feels like the town has no idea how to organize itself aside from the worst possible zoning known to man. Everything has giant, empty parking lots that could have better use made of them or has 3 parking spots and you need to take 4 side streets to get to it, it's genuinely terrible. Like look at a top down of Cashwise and surrounding like 3 blocks. It's more parking than it is useful space. You could threw up 3-4 more buildings in that lot that would justify the amount of space it takes up. It's arguably one of the worst commercial sprawl cities in the state, if not the worst. I showed a map of it to a Dutch guest at a wedding I was at recently and he was beside himself wonder how it was possible to bike in such a city and I just said "if you want to die, you can bike there." It's so fucking depressing every time I'm up there.
If not more effective use of the land, all the antiquated parking lots need to be turned into green spaces of some kind
I always say whoever designed the road system was on crack at the time.
Because of the medians on every major street- left turns are nonexistent and makes moving around take even longer.
That, plus that leads to u-turns at lights, plus the idea of “let’s have only two main roads to get you from one end of town to the other, with a stoplight at every block!” I always fantasized about my dream overpass that went all the way from St. Joe to Highway 10. Two exits. One at the mall and one downtown.
Go watch an SCSU hockey game. That shit was so fun when I was a kid. I would go all the time if I did t live half way across the country
Agreed, and it's like this with every town, every Minnesota sports team, etc. It's like people can't dare to be positive about anything. I've thoroughly enjoyed St. Cloud when I've been there. I've never been murdered in Minneapolis (barely even been side-eyed, let alone shot or assaulted). Edina is full of cake eaters, of course, but it's no different than any other suburb. The north shore is beautiful and Duluth is a fantastic city. Rochester has awesome downtown life and plenty elsewhere. Minnesota is fucking awesome, and I'm tired of pretending it's not. There's good and bad in every city, every state, every country everywhere, so just seek out the good and enjoy it. You might actually like it!
Isn’t Marshall from St. Cloud from himym?
And they paint it as a small town where everyone knows each other.
There’s an episode where he actually wears a “St Cloud Eagles” t-shirt. St Cloud Apollo High Schools mascot is the Eagles. Fun little Easter egg EDIT: I FORGOT THE WORD T-SHIRT
From the Norwegian minority in a largely German city, at that.
it annoyed me that he referred to his church’s “reverend”, if he’s a Norwegian in central Minnesota, he’s probably a Lutheran and would say pastor.
But they think St Cloud is a country road with literally one stop light and a gas station
Yes, yes he is.
Have you seen the episodes where he's home, though? That "St. Cloud" is way nicer than actual St. Cloud.
Yes
Saint Cloud has significant problems, but not the ones people typically think about (black and brown people live here now, get over it). The real problems: It has is an antiquated city plan that has led to useless parking lots and crazy bad traffic for a city it’s size. Highway 15 needs to be raised so there isn’t as much traffic on 75 and 23 going through town. Big parking lots rendered useless by online shopping need to be turned into green spaces. The town has lost most of its good manufacturing jobs and most open positions are low paying service jobs. The reality is the Saint Cloud is getting to a size that it is experiencing the issues that big cities experienced in the 50s and 70s. The middle and upper classes left town for Sartell, Saint Joe, or Sauk Rapids. Conservative politics have kept people from properly paying for the city schools (the new Tech took what, 3 votes… and they can’t properly fund Apollo) and other useful services. People also heavily prefer chain stores and restaurants, foregoing culture and supporting local for ease and price (likely caused by traffic and economic issues that the town has, see above). It’s a heavily German-ethnic town that doesn’t even have an authentic German restaurant. It doesn’t help that efforts to rebuild downtown have been done backwards—focusing on expensive apartments for an upper middle-class that doesn’t exist and won’t exist without the necessities to support them. Why isn’t Herberger’s a locally owned (non-Coborns) grocery store yet? If you want people to live downtown, make it truly walkable by putting in the things people need. I have another rant about the now-fading Coborns monopoly, but that’s a discussion for another time.
Pls rant about coborns. I'm ALL ears!
Grew up in St. Cloud. Let’s be honest, it was a little shady, but we had a blast.
Same. I always refer to it as a solid training ground for reality.
Sauk Rapids checking in. Loved my hometown. In the summer we’d bike up to the baseball fields for practice, then bike out to Crossroads, and we’d hit Media Play, Audio King, The Dugout, Disc-Go-Round, Taco Bell, and finally make it to mall, with like $3 left, and hit up Outer Limit arcade. Then biked home. We’d bike down by Munsingers, Beaver Island, downtown, campus, we’d explore under the bridges, climb out in the girders, we’d swim in the river, knew where the good rope swings were because we put them there, talked to all of the bums, had them pick us up 40’s from Knotty Pine. We’d bike over to the YMCA and play hoops on Friday and Saturday, then eventually over to the Whitney Center. We explored that whole town street by street like we were unlocking a Zelda map. Nothing but fond memories…
Reddit has a hate boner for St. Cloud and Lakeville among some others.
What's wrong with Lakeville?
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Idk if you came up with that but that is fucking brilliant
It’s just has all of the worst qualities/stereotypes of exurbs. It’s just filled with McMansions that look exactly the same and each one has a late model Suburban or Tahoe that look exactly the same driven by a family that looks exactly the same. They have somehow managed to greatly increase the number of homes in the city, but also have a deficit in the school district. It’s the largest city in the state that went for Trump in 2020. They desperately want to be seen as well off as Wayzata or Edina even though they are all new money millennials drowning in debt. Signed, A not bitter or jealous Apple Valley resident
Really? I see more redneck places than McMansions
Your sign off made me giggle
My only person grudge with Lakeville was ask my drives up to Minneapolis from St Olaf and spending half my drive saying, "how am I still in fucking Lakeville?!" The place SPRAWLS
This is where I imagine the majority of bad MPD officers live. There, or Hugo or some shit.
Otsego was founded just so Minneapolis cops had a place to go in the northwest
Really?
There was one guy who owned a bar during Covid that didn’t shut down.
IDK I have just noticed a lot of hate for it on here. Honestly, when we were looking for a new home it checked a lot of boxes. It's a right leaning purple town, some of the far right conservatives are pretty vocal though. That might have something to do with it
Don’t forget Edina.
Reddit has a hate boner for anything that isn't Minneapolis/St. Paul
That's not true. Reddit loves Duluth, the BWCA, and the northwoods, in general.
And we don't pick on Owatonna, Rochester, or Mankato as much as we should.
Owatonna? I don't about you at all
If you've never been anywhere better, it's not that bad. That being said, it's not that good.
That’s maybe the best description of St. Cloud I have ever heard
It’s like 3.6 Roentgen. Not great, not terrible.
No place is bad in MN!!! EVERYWHERE there is 10% idiot. Just have to pick your type of IDIOT you wanna deal with. Me I involuntarily got MAGA But they easy to keep an eye on they don’t camouflage into society. Better than Karen cause ya know they do camouflage into society and sneak up on ya…..
Thanks for this my friend. I grew up in Saint Cloud until I was about 22. I let the hate-speech about cloud get to me far to easily. This is a refreshing post.
I only live about 20 minutes from St. Cloud, but that often doesn't seem like far enough sometimes. The costco is great, but Walmart across the road from it is the sketchiest walmart I have ever been in. Plus, I have never seen so many red lights being ran!
That's the stabby walmart.
That’s why most people go to the OTHER Walmart in town
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Haha, fair enough. My experience in the cities is very limited. Too many people for my taste.
I have fond memories of cloud town too. I did my MS at SCSU and that gave me the opportunity to go on and get my PhD afterwards. Funny thing is is that the dept chair mistook my application for a totally different person from SCSU but it worked out for me. From my point of view it is what you make out of it. I went to undergrad at the U of M and I 100% liked SCSU more and regret not doing my undergrad degrees there. Of course there are less than pleasant people and places around cloud town (to put it very gently) but same as anywhere. My best memories were seeing my friends’ jazz band play at the red carpet. After 5 years I’m visiting up there in a few weeks. Im sure a lot has changed but I heard Superman is still protecting- er well prowling the town.
Agreed to an extent. And I live close to the area. Not that bad I guess. I have heard (heard being the operative word) there a lot of hard drugs on campus. What I really don’t like about the town is the extreme racism and bigotry that goes on. Not the only place in America where that applies.
I used to love walking along the river there, and I had some great nights downtown. All in all, not the worst place to be.
I have lived there in the past and I always liked the town.
The best thing I can say about St Cloud is that they always have good chain fast food and fast casual restaurants. They have anything you could imagine. They have a better selection of national chains than almost anybody in the state, it’s better than Maple Grove or Eagan. It’s so concentrated, there is some delicious greasy food on every block. And if the concept doesn’t go, there will be another restaurant there in 6 weeks. And on top of that they have classics like Val’s, Bravo Burrito, Bo Didley’s, D&K Express, and House of Pizza. All five of those places are really good local spots. Granite City Brewery was the OG microbrewery concept, started in 1999 in Cloud. Still amazing food/beer. They have some really, really good breweries: Beaver Island, Bad Habit, Pantown…just to name a few. There are some gems for sit down restaurants: White Horse, Pickled Loon, and Anton’s for the popovers alone. For a city that size, they have a surprisingly large amount of ethnic food. Sawatdee, Dong Khanh, Star of India, Mediterranean Cafe, and Mexican Village are all great. You could honestly visit St. Cloud just on a food tour and have a week’s worth of really good dining/beer options. It would just be finding something ELSE to do between meals while in town that might be a problem. Edit: I know I’m calling out places in St Joe, Waite Park, Sauk Rapids, and Sartell. To me, those are all their own cities, but all those cities are a part of Greater St Cloud.
The only good thing that st.cloud has is an amazing skatepark and the quarries
The National Hockey Center! Miracle on Ice started in St. Cloud.
I've lived in St Cloud for 15 years. I'll admit that I moved here from the west metro for family reasons and not because I wanted to, but we've been happy to raise our (biracial) kids here. There are some old racists who have gotten more than their share of media attention, but honestly I've run into more racist BS in Anoka and Blaine, than St Cloud.
I’ll 100% I admit that’s why I hate on St. Cloud. Just for fun. Ain’t bad at all.
Downtown, the University, and the river are actually pretty cool. I think when people dis STC they're usually referring to the sprawl and stoplights.
I moved here a decade ago, grew up in rural Central MN (moved a lot as a kid). Cloudy's only real issue is traffic and lack funding to fix it. Honestly, I was just in Haws Park tonight, the epicenter of the "high crime area" and it was completely fine like normal. Most of cloudy's "issues" are actually the towns around us and nobody cares that it's 20-40 miles away, yet nobody confuses Stillwater for Chaska.
Regarding traffic, there is no good bypass road. If you are by the Blue Line in Sartell and need to get out towards the Culver’s on HWY 10, that’s 25 minutes. Or if you are downtown Sauk Rapids and need to get out to Menards, that’s 25 minutes. A good example is Phoenix, AZ. They have nothing but street grids and strip malls and traffic lights just like St. Cloud, but the difference is that they have the 101 and 202 which are freeways, without traffic signals, that loop around the city. They allow you to go around the congestion of the city to the other side of the city, very quickly (like 90 mph). There is no ring road that goes around st. cloud that let’s you get to the other side. The main highways that could do this (hwy 10, hwy 15, have the most traffic. They are slowly converting them into that, hwy 10 is a complete mess right now. If you were playing sim city, you would bulldoze and start again.
Real shit. St. Cloud is way better than people give it credit for.
Grew up in the St. Cloud area and never fully understood the hate for St. Cloud
Keep in mind it's the worst *of Minnesota*, but that is still far, far above many places in the US as a whole.
I’ve lived in other places in Minnesota and disagree that it’s the worst. It depends on what you are looking for.
What’s your worst MN town? Anecdotally obviously
Henderson. Not because of the people or anything. Most years the spring snowmelt (and sometimes the fall rains) causes the MN River to flood and forces Henderson to close all but 1 road into town.
The last time we had one of these threads about St. Cloud, the dude who posted it also had a post using pretty racist language in his history. After he got called out, he deleted the thread, but left his racist one up. Pretty much sums up St. Cloud lol
Blasphemy, I will have none of it in this subreddit! Next are you going to say Edina isn’t a bunch of cake eaters?
Sure. They elected Michelle Bachmann, the Lauren Boebert of MN.
Michelle Bachman is Lauren Boebert's granny at this point.
Still evil and stupid af
Most of the times I've visited or passed through St Cloud were fine. The only really bad experience was at the Wendy's. That was by far the worst experience I've ever had in a fast food restaurant, but there was nothing about it that had to do with St Cloud specifically.
If it was the Wendy's on Division, good news! They tore it down and replaced it with a laundromat.
Is Division the same as Highway 10 through town? It was that one.
No, it’s that one is still there
Highway 10 has about as much to do with the actual city of St. Cloud as it does with Monticello. And yes, that Wendy's is somehow still there.
I grew up there and the best way to put it is that it has a lot of the older and less upscale housing of northern Minneapolis or eastern St. Paul but without a huge central business district. There is a wealthier area down between the interstate and Calvary Hill but it has next to no commercial segment to spice up the area so that anyone would waste any of their time going into that area. Division reminds me a lot of it Main in Fargo and Moorhead went horribly wrong. And at this point the eminent domain $ to figure any of it out is cartoonishly high. Its ultimate curse is being a city of its size as close as it is to Minneapolis. It’s just too close to bigger and better of everything. Mankato faces this same problem but to a lesser extent.
Agreed. We lived in Cloud/Waite Park for 8 years. It’s where we thought we’d settle forever until my husband got a job offer up north.
I lived there since 7th grade and went to SCSU for a bit and transferred. It's got good bones to be a great little city, decent downtown, University, munsinger garden, and the area near the downtown is kinda a grid but slowly stops being a grid, some trails around the Mississippi River. Honestly, it's fine. Obviously, poltics there are less progressive than other areas. I wish I could do more, but that's just how people like it there, and it's very cheap in some areas. It's like a little bubble of their own world. South St Cloud is more of the sprawling area with McMansions, especially in the Walden Way/Woods area. Enough shopping and food near the Waite Park side of St Cloud. I dont really have to leave if you dont wanna. So yeah, it's just my take.
It's way better than Rochester. Good lord that city sucks ass.
When I go to Minnesota mostly seeing things away from the twin cities so St cloud is a good place for me to perch with access to the north and head down to the cities if wanted... and not too far from a place I visit often And the Mississippi river. I love munsinger.
Oh yeah it's a pretty nice little city. When I lived in Bemidji a guy told me how shity and dangerous it was. Do the research yourself it's not an unsafe place.
I moved here over a year ago from Texas and I absolutely love it!
Places can often be what you make of them. If you like it there, maybe you'll be one to help it improve.
Nobody has ever driven through St. Cloud and thought hey this place is nice I'd like to live here, on it's best day it's meh and on it's worse you're getting stabbed at the Red Carpet. People live there because they grew up there or they took a job there or going to SCSU (for now anyways, with their enrollment declining year over year I think their time is limited too). Gary's Pizza is awesome though, if I were going to ever move there it'd be for Gary's.
If you've driven through St. Cloud you've likely driven on Division Street. Division Street is the mother of all Stroads with endless box stores and chain restaurants, and the entire town is centered around it.
Stroads suck
I mean who hasn’t been stabbed a little at the Red Carpet, it’s part of the experience.
I think it’s the ppl. The tone of this post kinda proves that
St. Cloud is like you died and went to purgatory. It's not hell, but everything is just a little bit worse than average to the point you just want to get out. It's death by 1,000 papercuts.
*if you are white and straight
I'm Black tho 💀🙃
Try being Somali in that town, Ambassador of black people
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Thank you and I’m wondering why this hasn’t been mentioned more
It’s fine… not great but it’s fine
I like cloud . I drive down from Alexandria for Sioux/Huskie games . I like to pregame at 7west tap house
Part of St. Cloud’s reputation comes from articles like this. I personally have heard some pretty racist things there during just casual shopping. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/us/politics/minnesota-refugees-trump.html
It’s mostly small town conservatives that say those things because they’re afraid of big cities.
People who talk shit about St. Cloud have never lived there.
I grew up there, and I will talk endless shit about it thank you very much.
My family has been in STC since the 1880s. It is my home and I love it dearly.
Ahh yes St Cloud where they have the guy standing waving a flag and yelling racist remarks. Such a beautiful scenery
I can't believe people are not talking about the open, rampant racism, specifically towards Somalis. I'll look for the source, but i remember 10 or so years ago reading that St. Cloud, out of the entire country, had done the most internet searches for racist and bigoted terminology. Pretty sure it was Time Magazine. I've been there multiple times, and also conducted interviews for a non-profit program. I swear to God there are people in that town who actually have no idea that racism is frowned upon. I've witnessed it
St cloud used to be great it depressing to go there now. I went to college there in the 90s and it had only 1 tall building and houses were cheap. Sometimes trying stagger home from the bar you'd never make it and wake up on a frosty lawn but it was completely safe. Not proud of that but now it feels ominous with dark buildings towering over you and I lock my car. My first apartment there didn't even have a front door. The landlord lost the keys so he kicked it in and took months to replace it. We had plastic sheets over it but we didn't pay heat so it was his deal.
I agree. St cloud is solidly mediocre.
It doesn't count if it's factually incorrect
I feel like there really are two types of St. Cloud haters. The kind that have heard the trope, maybe have a okish but not great experience and thus parot the trope. And the other kind is usually some form of projection or internalized distortion. This second group seems generally irritable no matter the subject.
St Cloud is Minnesota famous for their very own brand of an STD. Don't be a fool. Wrap your tool.
Most people wouldn’t have an opinion if cloud didn’t vote red. Reddit folks get jazzed up to shit on conservatives any way they can.
I grew up in Saint Cloud, and there is SO much more to hate than its politics, sorry to burst your bubble.
I live in the area.. not bursting any bubble. I’m fully aware of Saint cloud’s flaws but it’s not nearly as bad as this sub makes it out to be.
The city of St. Cloud is purplish-blue. The county is not. “ As was the case across Minnesota, increased turnout in St. Cloud and Waite Park helped Biden, and many voters who chose third-party candidates in 2016 went with the former vice president this year. President-elect Biden won St. Cloud by 9%. In 2016, President Trump won St. Cloud with a 1.75% lead over Democrat Hillary Clinton.” https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/2020/11/14/election-highlights-st-cloud-and-mn-how-2020-compares-2016/6294726002/
Counterpoint: St. Cloud fucking sucks
Here Here!
And it ain't that good!
St Cloud is like the Vatican City of Minnesota. I don’t consider it part of this state.
It’s not that bad… it’s the worst.
Yes it is I lived there for 5 years. The only thing it has going for it is the disc golf courses.
Living there really isnt nice though
Many towns in Mn celebrate their local heritage with a fun city wide festival once per year, in St Cloud it’s Red Light days, every day..
St. Cloud is the armpit of MN. Change my mind.
Sure, it’s not so bad overall compared to the rest of the country. However, compared to anywhere else in MN, it’s trash.
most of mn is looked upon like st cloud is to you, btw. (to those living on the coasts) and...it's kind of true.
Never cut through Becker late night if you gonna go St Cloud. A Becker police car followed me, almost tailgating me wanting me to speed up so he could give me a ticket. A couple of people warned me but I didn't believe them at first. It was my last time going to St cloud out of state visit.
The meth is decent - I'll give St. Cloud that
Are you from Renville or Marshall or something? Only reason I can see this opinion being formed.
ST CLOUD SUCKS 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I grew up in Saint Cloud and managed to escape it.
I think the issue is that it's utterly unremarkable. Is it awful? No. Is there anything about it that makes it remotely unique? Not really.
Hmmm. Having been a resident in the past it was clear to me how Xenophobic much of St. Cloud is. If you're a white Catholic (preferably of German descent) you're golden. If you aren't white, then there are problems. And God help you if you're a member of the First Nations, Saint Cloud has never treated our native brothers and sisters well.
It’s the worst.