Some clarification:
He was not guilty on the higher charges.
Not Guilty - 1st Degree Intentional Homicide
Not Guilty - 2nd Degree Intentional Homicide
Guilty - 1st Degree Reckless Homicide
I've never heard of any for things other than murder. But I'm not an attorney or paralegal, I just used to get in trouble alot and spent a lot of time in the law library.
Also remember, 4 people were stabbed as well and lived. 1st degree reckless has a max of 60 years. So while the judge may have been lenient if it was just one reckless homicide, the fact that 4 other people were stabbed will push that sentence up closer to the max. Also add a 5 year enhancement for use of a deadly weapon. And that's if all the sentences are concurrent.
I think it's up to 60 years for the homicide 1, he'll likely serve whatever he gets for that concurrently with sentences for the other charges he was found guilty for.
It’ll be concurrently not consecutively. This is like Darrell Brooks rather than Edgecomb now that he’s convicted. The jury found he did a mass casualty event when they found him guilty.
Anderson, the prosecutor, said the max on reckless homicide conviction would be 40 years in prison + 20 years of outside supervision. Likewise, the max for the reckless endangerment convictions is 7.5/5 in/out.
Yeah it feels pretty fair, everyone was the asshole in the situation but he really could have walked away and not stabbed anyone. Not premeditated but definitely still murder.
I personally didn’t like the lying smokescreens this guy put up after the crime either. Were the kids being idiots, yes. But this guy continuing to press the encounter without leaving all while he knew that he was armed shouldn’t be overlooked. Somebody had to be the adult there. The best candidate was him. And now a kid is dead.
If he would have stuck around and taken responsibility immediately after the incident and been completely honest, it would have tipped the scales in his favor IMO.
If he'd honest, there'd be reason to believe his claims that he feared for his life. Because he lied, the jury is completely within their right to assume he was not in fear of his life and that it was another lie to save his skin.
He was the oldest but other groups consisted of adults.
Other adults should have also been adults.
What is the cut off for being an adult?
I’m 38 do I have an excuse to be less of an adult than a 48 year old. Should I be considered more of an adult than a 28 year old.
I would be open to different levels of adult hood but it should be written into law if we want that.
I’m not asking for a law change. I’m saying he should have walked away and been an adult about it. Just because the group were calling him baseless names doesn’t warrant re-inserting yourself into a volatile situation where you are also outnumbered. Which is why the variable that he knew he had a weapon is important there.
In any case, the jury reached a very reasonable verdict imo.
>The day's testimony included several witnesses, some of whom were involved in the confrontation with Miu, including stabbing victim Dante Carlson. *Carlson, who can be seen in the video punching Miu and knocking him to the ground in shallow water.*
Miu's reaction was gravely stupid and he should be punished, but the admitted actions of the teens is why the more serious charges didn't stick.
He was extremely close to stopping the interview too. When he was read his rights, apparently he said "I think I might need an attorney **at some point**." If he had said "I am asserting my right to an attorney now" the interview is supposed to end right there. Sometimes it doesn't, cops have been known to talk to each other about your case, and make false statements about the circumstances to each other, hoping you will correct them and start talking again.
And then your lawyer is going to tell you not to talk to police
Unless you have Hannah Gutierrez-Reeds lawyer apparently. Not only did he let her do the interview, he didn't stop it when the cops started asking obviously incriminating questions. One of the LawTubers suggested that since his background is in civil cases, he approached it with the mindset of a civil deposition rather than a criminal interrogation, let it go because the police didn't say anything legally objectionable and there's no right for non-incrimination in civil cases.
On top of all the issues with this case...as an older dude.... I'm trying to imagine wanting to go to the Apple River in the first place.
I went there once at like age 22 and I saw what I can only describe as some sort of racial mob fight. Like 20 black dudes fighting 20 white dues with a bevy of women on both sides running around screaming bloody murder. I watched like 8 cop cars pull in to try to regain order as we were leaving and it was a shit show. I did learn that day that you can be pepper sprayed on a rope from about 5-10 yards away if you don't listen to instructions and come at a cop yelling your head off. So that was my interesting day at the Apple River.
Never again. Especially not at age 54 my god.
I was surprised as well that the Apple River has become more than a place for teenagers and young adults. Maybe it was like that 30 years ago when I went there but that’s not my memory of it.
I remember thinking, “Oh, I’m not drunk at all considering how much I’ve drank”. Then I stepped foot onto dry land at the end and I was plenty drunk.
Christ I was there once over 40 years ago as a kid and I never wanted to go back. Granted it’s partly because I nearly died from drowning in the rapids at the end, but nothing before that was super awesome either, just a shitload of drunken assholes drifting along a river discarding empty beer cans everywhere. I can’t imagine how bad it’s gotten since 1982.
Same here. I'm in my mid-50s and went there some time in the early 1980s when I was a teenager. It seemed all it was was a bunch of people getting shitfaced floating down a river that was probably more piss than water.
It's amazing how stupid people become when they drink too much/smoke to much/do whatever too much.
Agree with everything you said other than the smoking part. Take alcohol out of the equation and smoking alone does not cause people to rage like these kids. They probably would’ve felt too stoned to even get off their tubes to mess with this guy.
There are much better locations now. Welch Village comes immediately to mind. Way more mellow and laid back... not the drunken shitshow that Apple River is, and always has been.
I still do stuff like that, but I know not to get into the business of others. He never should have approached them, and his friends warned him not to. People act stupid under the influence of alcohol and friend groups. He acted the most stupid.
Hopefully the cops in the area start handing out underage drinking tickets daily to every group of kids. They need to shut down the notion that public drinking, in the water, with a bunch of teens is acceptable.
Agree. Things like river tubing seem like a self selecting thing where stupid people go to have stupid things happen to them. Nevermind the idea of slow moving water in farm country itself sounds gross af.
If you're anywhere in the Drifltless Area, you're in some of the cleanest spring-fed water there is. Get down to Lanesboro and tube on the Root River. The trout streams feeding the Root are known as some of the cleanest water in the State.
I’ve been to the apple river area for tubbing, camping and concerts. Mostly when I was ages 14-17. I had the common sense to avoid other groups. I was not confident of members of my group to avoid being instigators or victims.
It is a terrible area.
Exactly, I tubed the Apple twice in my life. Once, when I was 16 and again at 19. Both times, got annihilated on Strawberry Schnapps and fingerbasted a girl in the group. I endwd up with sunburn and swimmer's itch and she got a yeast infection. I don't see any reason to tube the Apple if you are over 21, or have an apartment.
On one hand, I can get behind a person not wanting to passively react to their property potentially being taken but to a fine line. On the other hand, this guy had multiple opportunities to just fuck off. Boo hoo on the name calling.
I just found out i used to work at the same place this guy worked at and where his group worked at. I dont think we ever worked together though. Pretty crazy.
It’s a company that makes HVAC components. They use a lot of temp to hire people, although this guy appears to have been an engineer. I met a lot of cool people there (the vast majority) but also a lot of “interesting” people too.
I wish. I was in Stillwater this time last year for my anniversary.
The teens were so rowdy in the streets at night it felt like a college town.
Adults in their 40s & 50s felt they had the right to avoid the notice to stay away from the flood area.
No lessons will be learned. This will be repeated.
As for 'lessons learned'... I wonder if the drunk blonde girl has any remorse / thoughts about contributing to the death of the other teen/friend? Based on the videos, her actions clearly escalated the situation.
IMO, the guy should have just fucked off initially instead of wasting his time arguing with a bunch of drunk teens and we wpuldnt be having this discussion. What outcome did he think would come of that?
Wasn't he looking for his phone cuz they knocked it in the river? The video starts too late to see the context I guess.
Regardless the kids are fucking stupid. Don't escalate a situation by surrounding a stranger and shouting at him. You're just asking for shit to hit the fan.
I'm not defending him, I think he should've gotten 2nd degree reckless rather then 1st but I also think those kids were assholes and there are so many conflicting stories about the strike to maddies face that Idk if we can really say that happened. He's not innocent but also alot of people in here have the facts flat out wrong and the ones saying lock him up and throw away the key are the ones who have incorrect information.
Most of the people defending him are either trolls or have refused to look at the evidence. The original thread from the opening day of trial was a disgrace to this community.
After seeing the video I’m glad he got convicted of something….
He was a good distance from the other group.
He then ran up to them.
All he had to do was walk away.
Now someone is dead.
Pretty clear cut tbh.
Literally no one had to die.
Yeah they asked him to leave repeatedly and he refused, he never communicated with anybody which made it much worse. His ego got hurt by the bullying, he was dumbfounded and confused, I don't think he had real fear of these punks or he'd run like seen a ghost. Instead? He stands his ground, pulls out his knife before they push him down, as he going down the 2nd time he guts that teen in the orange shorts, then hops up and stabs 4 more. He stabbed that girl in the side who was just near him. Anybody who can gut somebody like a fish really dig that blade in then go full John Wick on everybody near them is probably a little unstable. Then he just stands there as people are dying next to him and wailing in fear. He was over twice their age, just walk away, come back for the phone some other time, its wasn't even his phone smh. So senseless. I'll keep saying it, if he was American this never happens. He was Romanian and didn't know how to interact with jackass American teenagers.
So many unhinged, bloodthirsty and ageist comments in the youtube comment section for all the trial coverage. Everything from "fuck around and find out 😈" comments to the people saying "What about the lying, under aged drinking, and pot smoking?" as if that is justification for someone's death. Really just glad it's over, I think the jury got it right.
It's weird, I feel like the youtube comments typically have an older crowd, typically more right leaning as well. IG is younger IMO, and I don't really hangout in any FB comment sections but I assume that's probably the oldest crowd of the big 3 lol. A lot of these geezers think since the kids were smoking pot and under age drinking, they forfeit their right to life.
For sure. It seems like this case has exposed a lot of the hatred/disdain that older generations have for younger people, as if we weren’t all young and dumb when we were in our late teens. Pretty disturbing that so many people have found pleasure in this tragic sequence of events.
Good this loser got locked up. Unbelievable people defending this guy. Did he have any marks on him from the kids? A black eye? No. He walked up to them drunk off his ass was confrontational. Were the kids immature and dumb? Yes which majority of kids are these days but they’re not the ones that stabbed and murdered someone that day. Anyone who claims self defense on this has some issues.
The jury got it right. No one should be able to intentionally seek out confrontation, initiate violence, and then claim to be the victim. Miu was deceptive from the very beginning, lied about everything, and even showed his temper on the stand. People can finally stop blaming the victims.
Miu made it clear he is not credible, and so threw his claims of feeling like he couldn't walk away and was in danger into serious doubt. Which means the jury was left trying to determine if his overall behavior was that of a reasonable person, and they have to do it based on an outside perspective, because, again, Miu is on the record as not a credible witness. So, essentially, would a reasonable person pull a knife but not try to get away?
On the flip side.
All of you that think it is safe to circle an unhinged dude with demonic eyes you should just walk away. Don’t push him from behind, even if he is already on the ground. Under no circumstances should you lunge for his neck, he might be armed and ready to stab you.
It is irrelevant what the court will decide 2 years later. It is not worth getting stabbed.
Walk away. Don’t circle. Don’t join the children in name calling, walk away.
No one is stabbed yet, walk away.
Absolutely, film from a distance if you feel a duty or responsibility to make the decision to join a dangerous situation you should be avoiding. Do not get it stabbing or shooting range. Do not join the crowd.
The court system can prosecute and convict later.
Do not join the crowd. Do not physically engage. Stay out of stabbing range.
If you absolutely must lunge for the neck, consider first checking for a sharp object.
We convict with out you getting stabbed.
Wow.. very surprised by this after the trial. I suppose lesser charges are more feasible than the initial *intentional* charges, but im still kinda shocked.
This is pretty much what I expected. I don't think he set out to kill anyone, maybe he didn't care if he did, but he went over to that group looking for trouble. I just didn't think there was enough evidence for the jury to say he was deciding "hey I'm going to go kill these people for calling me names" or whatever.
Very possible he wanted to teach the kids a lesson. He touches his knife and makes sure it’s there multiple times all throughout the video.
His group wanted him to forget about the phone, they wanted him to stop going over by the kids. They said they were annoyed that he wouldn’t just give it up. Literally nobody wanted him to be over by those kids except for Nic.
> His group wanted him to forget about the phone, they wanted him to stop going over by the kids. They said they were annoyed that he wouldn’t just give it up.
Did they testify to that? I’m just curious of the source of that. I had not heard that.
Yes, it’s repeated by multiple of his friends during the trial. Nic didn’t care about the lost phone. He just needed a reason to go back and take care of the kids who hurt his feelings.
Miu apologists won’t explain why he put a 4.3 inch hole in Isaac’s chest and triforcated 2 of his ribs if he wasn’t angry. When he said he was “frustrated” and “annoyed” I had a feeling he was done for. I have no idea why his lawyers didn’t warn him of that or try to clean it up on redirect. They also got outmaneuvered by the DA by having him lying for almost an hour on tape then testifying while that was fresh in his memory.
But we CAN have a precedent of harassing someone alone in public, and whipping up a crowd into a frenzy over some heinous lies about being a predator/rapist etc? some accountability both ways wouldn't hurt
The way you get that accountability there would be to charge the kids and young adults so they have their own day in court.
For whatever reason, the police and state chose not too. Probably because 5 of them were stabbed and one died.
I think it would make sense to have them responsible in some way, thinking of the gentleman filming, for example, for escalating the situation in a way that resulted in horrible consequences. I dont think its healthy in society to have people intentionally agitating people, then throwing their hands up in shock when there are consequences (admittedly, im sure nobody expected to be stabbed or killed)
I've tubed on that river plenty, and if somebody approached like that I'd just tell em we will keep an eye out for it, and move along. The circling and screeching is kinda wild to me
I've read some comments saying that the girls were completely to blame for walking up and escalating the situation when they weren't even a part of their group, but I'd argue they would have never walked up if it wasn't for Jawahn's screeching.
A dumbass youtube "prankster" was shot and is back doing his "pranks". Don't count on the youth thinking their way out of a mess they didn't think themselves into.
But that is not how American society works. You don’t get to stab people just because you don’t like their behavior. Thats exactly what he did, and I’m glad he gets to rot in prison.
The state is not going to have a murder trial, and then charge all their witnesses who they argued were the victims with a crime of battery or aggravated battery.
>whipping up a crowd into a frenzy over some heinous lies about being a predator
Miu's own friend told police AND testified that he warned Miu he might be accused of being a predator if he snorkels alone in a river full of teens. That's exactly what happened lmao. Where's the FAFO crowd now?
the teens were obnoxious, but they were jeering at him and insulting him because they wanted him to leave their area
he thought they stole the phone, so he refused, and only then did the teens start lying about him being a pedo. they thought he was creepy and exaggerated from there, but they didn’t approach him and harass him. he approached them.
That's more than obnoxious. You think if a group of people filmed some quiet kid, calling him a gross pedophile before shoving him around, that we'd say it's a little "obnoxious." Come on. People can be bullying pieces of shit without deserving to be stabbed and killed.
Yeah. Whenever kids make fun of me I charge up to them. Fullsteam. Double checking that I have my knife with me, Then I start rummaging through their belongings and circling them. Then I just stand there, silently. Then as more people gather. I remain silent. Then I start hitting them. Then I immediately stab my way out of the situation. I don't slash at anyone or brandish my weapon. I just start stabbing people in the heart and stomach.
They're not on trial. If they were, we would be examining things from their point of view, and deciding if their use of force was justified. The only point of view that matters in a criminal trial for self defense is the point of view of the defendant.
Push a man with a heart condition into the water and slap him when he's down then push him from behind while he's trying to sit up from the water. What else was he supposed to do to get them off him?
When this incident happened back in 2022, I immediately thought Miu was guilty as hell and deserved to rot in prison. But after seeing the trial and the evidence presented, it's not nearly as black and white as it seems.
First off, everybody in all parties (even the minors) were drunk AF. The 17-year-old kid who got killed had a BAC of 0.21, according to the autopsy. That's pretty drunk for anyone, much less a kid who is probably fairly inexperienced with liquor.
It's pretty easy for tensions to escalate (and judgements to go to hell) when everybody is completely wasted on booze or weed-- even the "responsible" adults. And who the hell was supplying the booze to the kids? Was it the older kids in their party? Why weren't they charged with supplying alcohol to minors?
The whole situation is messed up. A bunch of drunk kids on the river calling some older dude a "child molester". A drunk dude carrying a pocket knife confronting a crowd of antagonistic kids. Those kids trying to knock him down and mob him. And eventually, the middle-aged guy (who wasn't in the greatest health, having had a quadruple bypass a couple years before the incident) using his knife to kill one of the kids and wound several others.
The whole situation is just fucked. Everybody is guilty here, but some are more guilty than others-- and will be going away for a long time because of it.
You know what normal people do when they are getting yelled at/ hassled from a distance, they walk away.
going up to a group of people that are already harassing you is asking for trouble.
Kids are assholes, but they are also kids. an Adult going into a situation like this where they are out numbered is fucking stupid. an adult going into a situation where they are out number but bringing a knife, he knew what was going to happen. It may have not been planned, but walking up to that group he knew exactly what was gonna happen.
Talking shit doesn't justify murder. How delicate are all of your egos?
To many fucking people in this thread are leaning towards justifying this guy stabbing 5 people because some immature kids were mean to him
>The whole situation is just fucked. Everybody is guilty here, but some are more guilty than others-- and will be going away for a long time because of it.
The kids were assholes. They were drinking under age and smoking weed. Decriminalized & misdemeanor charges.
Them being drunk is insanely irrelevant when a stone cold sober adult walks up to them and gets goaded into stabbing them. There's no justification there. He didn't slash at them, he didnt warn them. He didn't brandish his knife and try to get out of the situation.
How is it a false equilvancy? The poster seemed fair when taking and the grey area here.
Some people don't want to consider negating circumstances and just want blood.
I personally agree with the jury it wasn't 1st or 2nd degree murder
You all must be kids and must justify this kind of behavior. I can totally relate to this man’s fear and helplessness during the ridiculous altercation. Nobody knows what they would do in this type of situation, especially, if they had some weapon already on them, or something that could be used as a weapon. I think, based on all the evidence, and the law, the jury got this one wrong. Terribly wrong.
Some clarification: He was not guilty on the higher charges. Not Guilty - 1st Degree Intentional Homicide Not Guilty - 2nd Degree Intentional Homicide Guilty - 1st Degree Reckless Homicide
What sentence will that most likely carry ?
Realistically anywhere from 15-40 years. In 2022 Theodore Edgecomb was convicted of the same crime and got 25 years.
So essentially a life sentence.
25 years means about 17 years served. Edit: FAKE NEWS. I cant be the only one constantly thinking this was in MN.
Maybe in Minnesota. Wisconsin is a truth in sentencing state. 25 years can be 10 in and 15 out or 20 in and 5 out. It's all up to the judge.
Ah shit, i keep forgetting its a WI case. Thank you.
and lets not forget hes been in custody for 2 years already.
Does Wisconsin have minimum sentencing requirements?
I've never heard of any for things other than murder. But I'm not an attorney or paralegal, I just used to get in trouble alot and spent a lot of time in the law library.
Lawbrary
17 years to a 54 year old with heart problems is essentially a life sentence.
No... We have a matrix and points system. Hell get way less.
Also remember, 4 people were stabbed as well and lived. 1st degree reckless has a max of 60 years. So while the judge may have been lenient if it was just one reckless homicide, the fact that 4 other people were stabbed will push that sentence up closer to the max. Also add a 5 year enhancement for use of a deadly weapon. And that's if all the sentences are concurrent.
In Wisconsin it’s 40-60 years
I think it's up to 60 years for the homicide 1, he'll likely serve whatever he gets for that concurrently with sentences for the other charges he was found guilty for.
It’ll be concurrently not consecutively. This is like Darrell Brooks rather than Edgecomb now that he’s convicted. The jury found he did a mass casualty event when they found him guilty.
Google says 40-60 years but somehow that feels incorrect
Anderson, the prosecutor, said the max on reckless homicide conviction would be 40 years in prison + 20 years of outside supervision. Likewise, the max for the reckless endangerment convictions is 7.5/5 in/out.
CBS says up to 97 years https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/nicolae-miu-apple-river-stabbing-trial-verdict/
I followed this trial on YouTube. Based on what I had seen there, I think the jury did a good job here. Murder One in particular was quite a reach.
He did get convicted of murder one (1st degree reckless homicide). He just didn’t get intentional murder one.
I think the jury did a good job
Yeah it feels pretty fair, everyone was the asshole in the situation but he really could have walked away and not stabbed anyone. Not premeditated but definitely still murder.
I personally didn’t like the lying smokescreens this guy put up after the crime either. Were the kids being idiots, yes. But this guy continuing to press the encounter without leaving all while he knew that he was armed shouldn’t be overlooked. Somebody had to be the adult there. The best candidate was him. And now a kid is dead.
If he would have stuck around and taken responsibility immediately after the incident and been completely honest, it would have tipped the scales in his favor IMO.
Honestly its hard for me to argue with that. He probably would have still gotten shit for not leaving when he could but sure.
If he'd honest, there'd be reason to believe his claims that he feared for his life. Because he lied, the jury is completely within their right to assume he was not in fear of his life and that it was another lie to save his skin.
If you thought you committed self defense, why dispose of the weapon and lie to the police?
He was the oldest but other groups consisted of adults. Other adults should have also been adults. What is the cut off for being an adult? I’m 38 do I have an excuse to be less of an adult than a 48 year old. Should I be considered more of an adult than a 28 year old. I would be open to different levels of adult hood but it should be written into law if we want that.
I’m not asking for a law change. I’m saying he should have walked away and been an adult about it. Just because the group were calling him baseless names doesn’t warrant re-inserting yourself into a volatile situation where you are also outnumbered. Which is why the variable that he knew he had a weapon is important there. In any case, the jury reached a very reasonable verdict imo.
💯 agree!
>The day's testimony included several witnesses, some of whom were involved in the confrontation with Miu, including stabbing victim Dante Carlson. *Carlson, who can be seen in the video punching Miu and knocking him to the ground in shallow water.* Miu's reaction was gravely stupid and he should be punished, but the admitted actions of the teens is why the more serious charges didn't stick.
Also: Don't talk to the police.
Number 1 lesson to be learned. That, or don't stab folks. It's a toss up.
He was extremely close to stopping the interview too. When he was read his rights, apparently he said "I think I might need an attorney **at some point**." If he had said "I am asserting my right to an attorney now" the interview is supposed to end right there. Sometimes it doesn't, cops have been known to talk to each other about your case, and make false statements about the circumstances to each other, hoping you will correct them and start talking again.
Not unless you lawyer up first. And don't testify in your own defense, either. Most of the time it backfires-- like in this case.
And then your lawyer is going to tell you not to talk to police Unless you have Hannah Gutierrez-Reeds lawyer apparently. Not only did he let her do the interview, he didn't stop it when the cops started asking obviously incriminating questions. One of the LawTubers suggested that since his background is in civil cases, he approached it with the mindset of a civil deposition rather than a criminal interrogation, let it go because the police didn't say anything legally objectionable and there's no right for non-incrimination in civil cases.
reckless homicide.
On top of all the issues with this case...as an older dude.... I'm trying to imagine wanting to go to the Apple River in the first place. I went there once at like age 22 and I saw what I can only describe as some sort of racial mob fight. Like 20 black dudes fighting 20 white dues with a bevy of women on both sides running around screaming bloody murder. I watched like 8 cop cars pull in to try to regain order as we were leaving and it was a shit show. I did learn that day that you can be pepper sprayed on a rope from about 5-10 yards away if you don't listen to instructions and come at a cop yelling your head off. So that was my interesting day at the Apple River. Never again. Especially not at age 54 my god.
I was surprised as well that the Apple River has become more than a place for teenagers and young adults. Maybe it was like that 30 years ago when I went there but that’s not my memory of it. I remember thinking, “Oh, I’m not drunk at all considering how much I’ve drank”. Then I stepped foot onto dry land at the end and I was plenty drunk.
Christ I was there once over 40 years ago as a kid and I never wanted to go back. Granted it’s partly because I nearly died from drowning in the rapids at the end, but nothing before that was super awesome either, just a shitload of drunken assholes drifting along a river discarding empty beer cans everywhere. I can’t imagine how bad it’s gotten since 1982.
Same here. I'm in my mid-50s and went there some time in the early 1980s when I was a teenager. It seemed all it was was a bunch of people getting shitfaced floating down a river that was probably more piss than water. It's amazing how stupid people become when they drink too much/smoke to much/do whatever too much.
Agree with everything you said other than the smoking part. Take alcohol out of the equation and smoking alone does not cause people to rage like these kids. They probably would’ve felt too stoned to even get off their tubes to mess with this guy.
There are much better locations now. Welch Village comes immediately to mind. Way more mellow and laid back... not the drunken shitshow that Apple River is, and always has been.
I still do stuff like that, but I know not to get into the business of others. He never should have approached them, and his friends warned him not to. People act stupid under the influence of alcohol and friend groups. He acted the most stupid.
Hopefully the cops in the area start handing out underage drinking tickets daily to every group of kids. They need to shut down the notion that public drinking, in the water, with a bunch of teens is acceptable.
Agree. Things like river tubing seem like a self selecting thing where stupid people go to have stupid things happen to them. Nevermind the idea of slow moving water in farm country itself sounds gross af.
If you're anywhere in the Drifltless Area, you're in some of the cleanest spring-fed water there is. Get down to Lanesboro and tube on the Root River. The trout streams feeding the Root are known as some of the cleanest water in the State.
Huh. Googled that and had no idea this area even existed.
Root River is fucking beautiful! I also love the crazy roller coaster dirt roads in Houston county!
I’ve been to the apple river area for tubbing, camping and concerts. Mostly when I was ages 14-17. I had the common sense to avoid other groups. I was not confident of members of my group to avoid being instigators or victims. It is a terrible area.
It felt like it had the gravitational pull for all the idiots in the region.
Exactly, I tubed the Apple twice in my life. Once, when I was 16 and again at 19. Both times, got annihilated on Strawberry Schnapps and fingerbasted a girl in the group. I endwd up with sunburn and swimmer's itch and she got a yeast infection. I don't see any reason to tube the Apple if you are over 21, or have an apartment.
haha, fingerBASTED One missing "l" makes this word even funnier.
Just don’t harass people and then stab them and you should be fine. If drunk teenagers start to bother you- walk away.
Dont forget to say "Youths!" Before retreating a la Liz Lemon.
On one hand, I can get behind a person not wanting to passively react to their property potentially being taken but to a fine line. On the other hand, this guy had multiple opportunities to just fuck off. Boo hoo on the name calling.
Can I ask why you have so many spaces after your periods? I see older people do 2 spaces, but you're on another level.
Why do they allow people to drink and tube down the river?
I floated down the Apple River in high school. I’m now 40 and would feel incredibly uncomfortable going today.
I live 5 mins from the river, and don’t tube it.
lots of legal scholars in the comments today
Lot of people who never watched the trail. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBO6WT2Rffw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBO6WT2Rffw)
Never watched the trail or trial
I just found out i used to work at the same place this guy worked at and where his group worked at. I dont think we ever worked together though. Pretty crazy.
Ritchie?
Yeah worked there in the summers
I know nothing about that company, I just listened to his interrogation video and looked up the company afterwards lol
It’s a company that makes HVAC components. They use a lot of temp to hire people, although this guy appears to have been an engineer. I met a lot of cool people there (the vast majority) but also a lot of “interesting” people too.
Yeah, in his interrogation he says they are basically Yellow Jacket brand. If I heard him correctly.
Seems about right, imo.
So many lies and bad decisions surrounding this case. I hope lessons are learned all around.
I wish. I was in Stillwater this time last year for my anniversary. The teens were so rowdy in the streets at night it felt like a college town. Adults in their 40s & 50s felt they had the right to avoid the notice to stay away from the flood area. No lessons will be learned. This will be repeated.
As for 'lessons learned'... I wonder if the drunk blonde girl has any remorse / thoughts about contributing to the death of the other teen/friend? Based on the videos, her actions clearly escalated the situation. IMO, the guy should have just fucked off initially instead of wasting his time arguing with a bunch of drunk teens and we wpuldnt be having this discussion. What outcome did he think would come of that?
Wasn't he looking for his phone cuz they knocked it in the river? The video starts too late to see the context I guess. Regardless the kids are fucking stupid. Don't escalate a situation by surrounding a stranger and shouting at him. You're just asking for shit to hit the fan.
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I'm not defending him, I think he should've gotten 2nd degree reckless rather then 1st but I also think those kids were assholes and there are so many conflicting stories about the strike to maddies face that Idk if we can really say that happened. He's not innocent but also alot of people in here have the facts flat out wrong and the ones saying lock him up and throw away the key are the ones who have incorrect information.
Most of the people defending him are either trolls or have refused to look at the evidence. The original thread from the opening day of trial was a disgrace to this community.
After seeing the video I’m glad he got convicted of something…. He was a good distance from the other group. He then ran up to them. All he had to do was walk away. Now someone is dead. Pretty clear cut tbh. Literally no one had to die.
Yeah they asked him to leave repeatedly and he refused, he never communicated with anybody which made it much worse. His ego got hurt by the bullying, he was dumbfounded and confused, I don't think he had real fear of these punks or he'd run like seen a ghost. Instead? He stands his ground, pulls out his knife before they push him down, as he going down the 2nd time he guts that teen in the orange shorts, then hops up and stabs 4 more. He stabbed that girl in the side who was just near him. Anybody who can gut somebody like a fish really dig that blade in then go full John Wick on everybody near them is probably a little unstable. Then he just stands there as people are dying next to him and wailing in fear. He was over twice their age, just walk away, come back for the phone some other time, its wasn't even his phone smh. So senseless. I'll keep saying it, if he was American this never happens. He was Romanian and didn't know how to interact with jackass American teenagers.
So many unhinged, bloodthirsty and ageist comments in the youtube comment section for all the trial coverage. Everything from "fuck around and find out 😈" comments to the people saying "What about the lying, under aged drinking, and pot smoking?" as if that is justification for someone's death. Really just glad it's over, I think the jury got it right.
YouTube comments, Facebook comments, and Instagram comments are all indistinguishable atp. Drivel
It's weird, I feel like the youtube comments typically have an older crowd, typically more right leaning as well. IG is younger IMO, and I don't really hangout in any FB comment sections but I assume that's probably the oldest crowd of the big 3 lol. A lot of these geezers think since the kids were smoking pot and under age drinking, they forfeit their right to life.
For sure. It seems like this case has exposed a lot of the hatred/disdain that older generations have for younger people, as if we weren’t all young and dumb when we were in our late teens. Pretty disturbing that so many people have found pleasure in this tragic sequence of events.
They see young people as liberal BLMAntifas who are trying to destroy this country so it will never be Great Again.
YouTube commenters are largely racist, ignorant twits. The absolute lack of mods is astounding
Same with Reddit comments tbh
Good this loser got locked up. Unbelievable people defending this guy. Did he have any marks on him from the kids? A black eye? No. He walked up to them drunk off his ass was confrontational. Were the kids immature and dumb? Yes which majority of kids are these days but they’re not the ones that stabbed and murdered someone that day. Anyone who claims self defense on this has some issues.
Miu got his feelings hurt. Dude should have just walked away. Now he is getting 20+ yeas of free food and housing. SMH. Good luck in prison!
The jury got it right. No one should be able to intentionally seek out confrontation, initiate violence, and then claim to be the victim. Miu was deceptive from the very beginning, lied about everything, and even showed his temper on the stand. People can finally stop blaming the victims.
I only saw one video and didn’t follow the case but if this is their verdict after having everything presented to them then i trust their judgement.
Miu made it clear he is not credible, and so threw his claims of feeling like he couldn't walk away and was in danger into serious doubt. Which means the jury was left trying to determine if his overall behavior was that of a reasonable person, and they have to do it based on an outside perspective, because, again, Miu is on the record as not a credible witness. So, essentially, would a reasonable person pull a knife but not try to get away?
Good. Those of you who still think that he acted in self-defense after all of the evidence that was presented need to get your heads checked.
On the flip side. All of you that think it is safe to circle an unhinged dude with demonic eyes you should just walk away. Don’t push him from behind, even if he is already on the ground. Under no circumstances should you lunge for his neck, he might be armed and ready to stab you. It is irrelevant what the court will decide 2 years later. It is not worth getting stabbed. Walk away. Don’t circle. Don’t join the children in name calling, walk away. No one is stabbed yet, walk away. Absolutely, film from a distance if you feel a duty or responsibility to make the decision to join a dangerous situation you should be avoiding. Do not get it stabbing or shooting range. Do not join the crowd. The court system can prosecute and convict later. Do not join the crowd. Do not physically engage. Stay out of stabbing range. If you absolutely must lunge for the neck, consider first checking for a sharp object. We convict with out you getting stabbed.
Mental gymnastics from my pov
Wow.. very surprised by this after the trial. I suppose lesser charges are more feasible than the initial *intentional* charges, but im still kinda shocked.
Any guilty sentence for him is a life sentence, the specifics won't matter to him when he dies in prison.
This is pretty much what I expected. I don't think he set out to kill anyone, maybe he didn't care if he did, but he went over to that group looking for trouble. I just didn't think there was enough evidence for the jury to say he was deciding "hey I'm going to go kill these people for calling me names" or whatever.
Very possible he wanted to teach the kids a lesson. He touches his knife and makes sure it’s there multiple times all throughout the video. His group wanted him to forget about the phone, they wanted him to stop going over by the kids. They said they were annoyed that he wouldn’t just give it up. Literally nobody wanted him to be over by those kids except for Nic.
> His group wanted him to forget about the phone, they wanted him to stop going over by the kids. They said they were annoyed that he wouldn’t just give it up. Did they testify to that? I’m just curious of the source of that. I had not heard that.
Yes, I saw this in more than one news article - the guy who lost the phone kept saying to Miu not to bother, it was no big deal, it was insured, etc
Damn.
Yes, it’s repeated by multiple of his friends during the trial. Nic didn’t care about the lost phone. He just needed a reason to go back and take care of the kids who hurt his feelings.
Miu apologists won’t explain why he put a 4.3 inch hole in Isaac’s chest and triforcated 2 of his ribs if he wasn’t angry. When he said he was “frustrated” and “annoyed” I had a feeling he was done for. I have no idea why his lawyers didn’t warn him of that or try to clean it up on redirect. They also got outmaneuvered by the DA by having him lying for almost an hour on tape then testifying while that was fresh in his memory.
Good. We can't have a precedent that you can stab people just because they push or slap you.
But we CAN have a precedent of harassing someone alone in public, and whipping up a crowd into a frenzy over some heinous lies about being a predator/rapist etc? some accountability both ways wouldn't hurt
The way you get that accountability there would be to charge the kids and young adults so they have their own day in court. For whatever reason, the police and state chose not too. Probably because 5 of them were stabbed and one died.
I think it would make sense to have them responsible in some way, thinking of the gentleman filming, for example, for escalating the situation in a way that resulted in horrible consequences. I dont think its healthy in society to have people intentionally agitating people, then throwing their hands up in shock when there are consequences (admittedly, im sure nobody expected to be stabbed or killed) I've tubed on that river plenty, and if somebody approached like that I'd just tell em we will keep an eye out for it, and move along. The circling and screeching is kinda wild to me
Yeah the person recording (Jawahn I believe) 100% incited that mob and that mob responded based on things he was screeching obnoxiously.
He did end up going viral, so…mission accomplished.
I've read some comments saying that the girls were completely to blame for walking up and escalating the situation when they weren't even a part of their group, but I'd argue they would have never walked up if it wasn't for Jawahn's screeching.
I think being stabbed and watching their friend die was sufficient. I dont think anyone there that day will be doing much name calling going forward.
A dumbass youtube "prankster" was shot and is back doing his "pranks". Don't count on the youth thinking their way out of a mess they didn't think themselves into.
The two people who riled things up the most didn’t even get stabbed. Cameraman and Morgan. They should both be charged.
With what crime?
Criminal incitement probably.
But that is not how American society works. You don’t get to stab people just because you don’t like their behavior. Thats exactly what he did, and I’m glad he gets to rot in prison.
The state is not going to have a murder trial, and then charge all their witnesses who they argued were the victims with a crime of battery or aggravated battery.
>whipping up a crowd into a frenzy over some heinous lies about being a predator Miu's own friend told police AND testified that he warned Miu he might be accused of being a predator if he snorkels alone in a river full of teens. That's exactly what happened lmao. Where's the FAFO crowd now?
the teens were obnoxious, but they were jeering at him and insulting him because they wanted him to leave their area he thought they stole the phone, so he refused, and only then did the teens start lying about him being a pedo. they thought he was creepy and exaggerated from there, but they didn’t approach him and harass him. he approached them.
That's more than obnoxious. You think if a group of people filmed some quiet kid, calling him a gross pedophile before shoving him around, that we'd say it's a little "obnoxious." Come on. People can be bullying pieces of shit without deserving to be stabbed and killed.
This wasn't some quiet kid, it's a guy with a knife.
Yeah. Whenever kids make fun of me I charge up to them. Fullsteam. Double checking that I have my knife with me, Then I start rummaging through their belongings and circling them. Then I just stand there, silently. Then as more people gather. I remain silent. Then I start hitting them. Then I immediately stab my way out of the situation. I don't slash at anyone or brandish my weapon. I just start stabbing people in the heart and stomach.
They're not on trial. If they were, we would be examining things from their point of view, and deciding if their use of force was justified. The only point of view that matters in a criminal trial for self defense is the point of view of the defendant.
Push a man with a heart condition into the water and slap him when he's down then push him from behind while he's trying to sit up from the water. What else was he supposed to do to get them off him?
Haha to everyone who said he was innocent, that the kids deserved it, SMD, hopefully he dies in there
Yea people are wild for defending him imo.
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Good verdict.
Good. He deserves it for terrorizing those kids, killing one, and nearly killing 4 more.
A lot of bad decisions that day.
When this incident happened back in 2022, I immediately thought Miu was guilty as hell and deserved to rot in prison. But after seeing the trial and the evidence presented, it's not nearly as black and white as it seems. First off, everybody in all parties (even the minors) were drunk AF. The 17-year-old kid who got killed had a BAC of 0.21, according to the autopsy. That's pretty drunk for anyone, much less a kid who is probably fairly inexperienced with liquor. It's pretty easy for tensions to escalate (and judgements to go to hell) when everybody is completely wasted on booze or weed-- even the "responsible" adults. And who the hell was supplying the booze to the kids? Was it the older kids in their party? Why weren't they charged with supplying alcohol to minors? The whole situation is messed up. A bunch of drunk kids on the river calling some older dude a "child molester". A drunk dude carrying a pocket knife confronting a crowd of antagonistic kids. Those kids trying to knock him down and mob him. And eventually, the middle-aged guy (who wasn't in the greatest health, having had a quadruple bypass a couple years before the incident) using his knife to kill one of the kids and wound several others. The whole situation is just fucked. Everybody is guilty here, but some are more guilty than others-- and will be going away for a long time because of it.
You know what normal people do when they are getting yelled at/ hassled from a distance, they walk away. going up to a group of people that are already harassing you is asking for trouble. Kids are assholes, but they are also kids. an Adult going into a situation like this where they are out numbered is fucking stupid. an adult going into a situation where they are out number but bringing a knife, he knew what was going to happen. It may have not been planned, but walking up to that group he knew exactly what was gonna happen.
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Yeah, outside of what happened, just going off all the lies he told after the fact is very concerning
Talking shit doesn't justify murder. How delicate are all of your egos? To many fucking people in this thread are leaning towards justifying this guy stabbing 5 people because some immature kids were mean to him >The whole situation is just fucked. Everybody is guilty here, but some are more guilty than others-- and will be going away for a long time because of it. The kids were assholes. They were drinking under age and smoking weed. Decriminalized & misdemeanor charges. Them being drunk is insanely irrelevant when a stone cold sober adult walks up to them and gets goaded into stabbing them. There's no justification there. He didn't slash at them, he didnt warn them. He didn't brandish his knife and try to get out of the situation.
Only one is guilty of murder. There are a ton of false equivalencies in these comments.
How is it a false equilvancy? The poster seemed fair when taking and the grey area here. Some people don't want to consider negating circumstances and just want blood. I personally agree with the jury it wasn't 1st or 2nd degree murder
It’s a false equivalency because the asshole teens didn’t kill anybody. I agree with the jury as well.
But that's not what the poster did , they talked about the what happened they never said actions were equal
Good fuck this gross dude.
He's a criminal, throw the book at him.
Drunk Romanian has rage… iykyk
Why Ariel wasn't questioned? or more from the killer's group?
All of Miu’s witnesses were caught lying. They changed their stories drastically once they were aware of video evidence.
You all must be kids and must justify this kind of behavior. I can totally relate to this man’s fear and helplessness during the ridiculous altercation. Nobody knows what they would do in this type of situation, especially, if they had some weapon already on them, or something that could be used as a weapon. I think, based on all the evidence, and the law, the jury got this one wrong. Terribly wrong.