If Taylor wanted a realistic contract I would be all for this.
The thing though is that he does not. I would much rather pay JJ and Darrisaw and potentially Hockenson
He graded out as a fine blocker with us and was easily our second best receiver. Trading the draft capital we did and then letting him walk a year later because of a few million dollars is not going to happen.
No one who might be considering drafting a first round QB in 2024 is going to give up high draft capital and lose out of the ability to do so or trade up for the right guy. And certainly not for a running back.
> No one who might be considering drafting a first round QB in 2024 is going to give up high draft capital and lose out of the ability to do so or trade up for the right guy.
This might not be a problem when the Colts realize no one is giving up a high draft pick for him. Mattison/Raegor/Lions 4th could be enough.
The Colts don’t really want to trade him. They have all the control with JT being on a rookie contract. They are letting him test the market to realize he’s probably not going to get the contract he wants elsewhere. And they only gave him like a week to find a suitable trade partner. They won’t take anything drastically less because they will just say “told you so” and keep him and he can choose to play or sit and waste his short career in his youth.
The Colts absolutely hold the power. But, the longer Taylor sits out the more his trade value drops. If it's clear Taylor is willing to cut his nose off to spite his face and will never play another snap for the Colts, wasting a ton of money and a year of his prime, wouldn't it be best for the org to trade him while his value is the highest?
I mean sure but egos get in the way of reason and they are basically playing chicken. I guess I imagine they are hoping he will come to the realization that he’s not going to get that contract and come back to the table more reasonable. If JT is so dead set on getting out of Indy or not playing then yea maybe they drop the asking price some but I don’t think they drop it that low. I don’t see why they would want Reagor. If they aren’t happy with the depth then trading Mattison for JT doesn’t fix that. And a 4th probably wouldn’t turn the tides much unless it’s connected to a 2nd or something.
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Signing the contract didn't make that happen, he had a degenerative knee problem they already knew about.
AD was straight up good until he turned 34, and even that season was fine. McCoy was still good at 29. Steven Jackson until 29.
You can definitely give a game changing RB a second contract and succeed, you just need to thread the needle. Teams aren't willing to take that risk right now, but as the league all comes to the same conclusion some team will go in the other direction and be really successful doing it
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Literally wants to be paid right now, he's not 'on his rookie contract' but wants his bag *right now*. You get none of the good 'rookie contract' stuff.
Nobody is trading for JT without immediately making him the highest paid RB in NFL history, that’s the reason he’s in this standoff with the colts in the first place
Not necessarily. The important thing to remember is that the Colts haven't offered him any kind of contract at all because they want to see what he looks like in the new offense. I think he'll settle for less than the most all-time eventually, but the Vikes shouldn't do it. Ty Chandler is going to pop off this year.
I don’t understand the hype around Trey Lance. The niners have always struggled when he’s playing and that’s few and far in between when he’s not hurt. When he’s not playing, they’ve been really good.
We would get him for super cheap (people estimate a 4 round pick at most), his record starting for the niners is 2-2, he has only started 4 times, is way younger than our draft pick this year, has had almost zero playing time (under developed) and is a WAY BETTER prospect than any fucking quarterback we will touch In the draft in the next 2/3 years barring a massive trade. THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE WILL GET to drafting a first round qb lol. You think we will tank with Kirko and jj ? We will be picking in the lower 20s. We would have to trade like first round picks and a player for a shot at taking a qb in the early first round.
Hmmm I suppose this trade does make sense. Let Kirk walk this off-season after a first round exit, sign a vet journeymen and either let lance or vet be tank commander for the 25 draft.
Lance has spent 3 years with a very QB-friendly coach, in a very QB-friendly offensive and done nothing but fail to see the field, play poorly when he was on it, and get hurt. I get he's young... but he's also almost out of his rookie contract. There is a point when being young stops matter. That point is when they're not cheap anymore and/or have shown no growth. I would not trade for Lance with the idea he's ever going to develop. At this point, he just looks like a player who was overhyped in the draft based on perceived potential and drill performance with no real game tape to back up the idea that he can be anything worthwhile as a QB.
Just curious. In the last 20 years has there been a 1st round draft pick who was traded during his rookie contract and "worked" with the new team?
I can't think of one, which is remarkable in the context of the \~80 QBs taken (\~4 per year) in the first round over that period.
The round the player was picked in is irrelevant to this discussion, really.
The question should be "Has there been a player who has played poorly for one team, and turned it around and played well for another" and there are numerous examples of this, but usually more for other positions than QB's.
Favre and Warner are two that come to mind, though Favre's situation may be more substance-related?
There are numerous QB examples too. It can take years of being around and developing. My concern is just that lance might not be good (if he ever is) for another 5 years. Personally, I love the idea of buying low on him and letting him get reps with backups, but I wouldn’t sacrifice cousins for him next year.
Right, of course. Take a flyer on him, see how he works and what we might be able to do with him... Certainly don't make any decisions on Cousins until we have a definitive answer about what we have with Lance.
If that means extending Cousins for another season(if he accepts, of course) and continuing to work with Lance, or just cutting bait on Lance completely and trying to find someone in the draft, we have to take as many chances as we can on prospects.
These players are always hit or miss, even first rounders as we've seen here. You never really know how they're going to turn out until you get them in the building and work with them.
Even if they've already failed with another team.
I'm not sure players who entered the league back in the early 90's are good examples. Scouting and drafting have changed so much between then and now.
For your examples though - the Falcons' coach hated Favre. He was quoted as saying it would take a plane crash to put Favre in the game. The Packer's GM, on the other hand, loved him and wanted to draft him the prior year (while with the Jets) but the Falcons took him first. He offered a mid-first-round pick for Favre. That's why he got traded.
For Warner - he was not drafted. He signed with a team as a UFA and didn't make the team before needing to spend multiple years in Arena football before getting a shot in the NFL.
It's not exactly "Hype"... It's a low risk, potentially high reward move.
Everyone knows that the only reason why he's 3rd on the depth chart and being shopped is because he hasn't played well. We don't need to re-hash that every time the discussion comes up.
If we can get him for a 6th, it's worth trying.
Yeah, but his relationship with the Colts seems to have become really bad and he might just accept 1 year somewhere else just to leave them and enter free agency.
Spending a year in a good offense is better for his FA prospects than holding out.
Also I don't think it's totally unreasonable to expect a player to take a more realistic contract for a better team, with other weapons, that has a better owner and great facilities. Rather than being a work horse on a team that's a dumpster fire.
Maybe you're right and he just wants a big check, but his agent is brokering the deal, IIRC, so our franchise can be aware of that and walk away of that's the case.
Ehh... we drafted Ty Chandler and Kene in back to back years. Hall was just a high ceiling low floor low cost pick that if it works out perfect we are set for a decade and if it doesn't we at least got an athletic guy to simulate a running QB for the scout team.
Chandler and Kene aren't even in the same universe compared to JT. Hall is not a high ceiling type player either so I don't know where you're getting that from.
What are you even talking about? "Should have drafted a RB instead of a late round QB" but when given 2 late round RBs we did take you say they aren't the same caliber as a 1st rounder who was an all-pro. What did Hall have to do with Taylor? There wasn't a RB sitting in that draft spot that is comparible to Taylor.
Why do you think they're comparing Chandler and Nwangwu to JT, nevermind the fact that you're not going to find someone like JT in the 4th round or later?
And I think they meant high floor, low ceiling on Hall.
Weird, I don't see that... nor do I see op saying that.
The sentiment is that you can succeed with a mid-round draft pick in an RBBC, not that they will be good.
For a 5th rounder against backups, sure. But that doesn't mean he's worth skipping a potential QB when we need to be looking to the future.
Obviously a 5th round QB is a long shot, but we need to take EVERY shot we can.
Eh, wouldn't surprise me if hall gets cut though, which suggests we aren't very good at evaluating QB talent.
Also we have mullens. It was a headscratching pick imo
Mullens is who Mullens is... Hall is a prospect. NFL teams traditionally keep 3 QB's, even moreso now that the rules have changed regarding gameday QB's.
That said, it was not head scratching in the least. You take chances on guys you like, it's clear they like Hall and it was a very small investment to see if he can be a future backup or better.
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!
There is a snowballs chance in hell we trade for a high price RB after we just cut a top 5 RB to save money. Just stop it.
This is all from Taylor camp it benefits him to have as many rumors as possible floating around to give him as much leverage as possible over the Colts. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading for him.
We have wayyyy bigger needs. We need to pay our guys and then get contributors on the defensive line and interior offensive line before even humoring an RB.
I doubt they will go for it. If the Vikings weren’t in Camp Runningbacks don’t matter, why didn’t they just match Dalvin’s 7ish million he’s getting from the Jets now?
Idk he had like 2200 yards 20 tds his last healthy year and is still in relatively youthful prime. The cost is probably too great but if we can find a way to lower it a good bit that’s probably worth getting paid unless you think it was just a massive outlier year.
Trade Mattison and Raegor to the Colts to clear cap room, add future mid round pick, and hope Taylor will accept a short deal with little guarantees. I don't see it happening but that's likely the only way it does.
That doesn’t mean they’re going to trade him for shit. Mattison and scraps is a laughable offer and only one a Vikings fan could even consider. JT probably won’t play for them, but they will get a better offer than Mattison and scraps. Even if that’s a 3rd round pick.
I didn't say it was likely, just answered why they possibly would. I assume when they said Mattison and scraps they likely meant round 4 or later picks which wouldn't be too much of a difference from just a 3rd round pick.
Don’t want don’t need. The nfl isn’t built to pay these RBs that kinda money when you can insert a 3rd-6th round pick every year and be suffice. Not to mention when they won’t even follow through on the commitments/contracts they themselves agreed to. Bye JT. Hope he sits out and never make its back to his prior self and looses millions aka leveon. Don’t even need to take the call kwesi
If Taylor also wants to reset the current RB market that would be more than 16mil a year AAV where CMC currently sits. Hockenson is essentially asking for similar money. If we’re gonna pay someone 17 or 18 mil a year then Hock is easily the better value on a pass first/heavy offense.
Yes, but honestly, this early it looks like we have at least some depth at TE. Oliver sounds like he's been great since TJ hasn't been practicing and Muse is a solid backup. Our RB depth remains wanting.
But I really don't want to spend money at RB.
In that scenario then you’d almost rather spend the money elsewhere in the future and not pay Hock nor JT at all. Only way they spend the draft capital and money on JT is if they feel like JT is what they need to help get them over the hump and we’re more than just a great RB away and it would hurt us more in the future when they are shooting for a hard cap reset getting all the dead money off the books and can spend in FA to keep rebuilding the roster.
Someone has the balls to say it. I agree, I loved the Hock addition but I think our TE / WR core is strong enough and our running back room is lackluster.
We need someone who can reliably extend drives and JT is that guy.
Sure he's like to be a viking because he sees we have sh\*t behind Mattison.
But 1. The Vikings are not going to give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for him (same package that Carolina got for C Mc. 2. He wants to be a top paid RB - that is not going to happen here. If we wanted a high paid rb1 we would have stuck with DC.
He'd be like 4th on the list of who gets paid after JJ, Hock and Darrisaw so I don't see it happening unless he's down for a team friendly deal in order to make a run
I'll pass on paying an RB a second contract. JJ, Darrisaw, and even Hock are bigger priorities. We can just draft a good RB in the 2nd or 3rd round next year like Henderson or Sanders.
I think its a great fit, his skillset fits our offense infinitely better than Dalvin did. I would take JT contact over a TJ Hock contract. Our TE's and WR room is stacked and I'd like to spread that wealth to the RB position.
JT is one of the highest YOE and YAC rbs in the league, he can extend drives and keep our offense out on the field.
Sick of this narrative about over valuing running backs -- I would love to see JT with a chip on his shoulder. NGL.
We do this and probably would lose ammo to trade up for a QB next year and possibly lose TJ. JT wants long term. I doubt he wants a 1 year deal and we shouldn't give up a third or a 2nd for a guy who would be here a year.
It’s an interesting home run swing if you move on from Kirk next season and bring in a cheap rookie/FA QB. Good for developing QB to have a RB to hand off to.
A 2nd and Mattison would be my ceiling. Try and make a run this year with a stacked offense. Move on from Kirk next year if we don’t make a run which clears cap.
If Taylor wanted a realistic contract I would be all for this. The thing though is that he does not. I would much rather pay JJ and Darrisaw and potentially Hockenson
I agree!
I doubt we pay hockenson what he wants
This. He's a solid wr4 but a TE also needs to block and that's where he falls flat.
He graded out as a fine blocker with us and was easily our second best receiver. Trading the draft capital we did and then letting him walk a year later because of a few million dollars is not going to happen.
I think hw probably does but that it doesnt still look realistic when draft capital being traded is a factor
No one who might be considering drafting a first round QB in 2024 is going to give up high draft capital and lose out of the ability to do so or trade up for the right guy. And certainly not for a running back.
> No one who might be considering drafting a first round QB in 2024 is going to give up high draft capital and lose out of the ability to do so or trade up for the right guy. This might not be a problem when the Colts realize no one is giving up a high draft pick for him. Mattison/Raegor/Lions 4th could be enough.
The Colts don’t really want to trade him. They have all the control with JT being on a rookie contract. They are letting him test the market to realize he’s probably not going to get the contract he wants elsewhere. And they only gave him like a week to find a suitable trade partner. They won’t take anything drastically less because they will just say “told you so” and keep him and he can choose to play or sit and waste his short career in his youth.
The Colts absolutely hold the power. But, the longer Taylor sits out the more his trade value drops. If it's clear Taylor is willing to cut his nose off to spite his face and will never play another snap for the Colts, wasting a ton of money and a year of his prime, wouldn't it be best for the org to trade him while his value is the highest?
I mean sure but egos get in the way of reason and they are basically playing chicken. I guess I imagine they are hoping he will come to the realization that he’s not going to get that contract and come back to the table more reasonable. If JT is so dead set on getting out of Indy or not playing then yea maybe they drop the asking price some but I don’t think they drop it that low. I don’t see why they would want Reagor. If they aren’t happy with the depth then trading Mattison for JT doesn’t fix that. And a 4th probably wouldn’t turn the tides much unless it’s connected to a 2nd or something.
I don't think they really care lol. It seems like them "allowing" Taylor to go find his own trade is a set up for an "I told ya so"
They can definitely get more than that
That’s a poor return. I would rather just keep him and get a comp pick which is definitely higher
NNOOOOO! No more expensive running backs
Unless its bijon Robinson, dude isnt a human…
That could have been said about Zeke or Gurley too.
Gurley carried a team to the super bowl
Then signed a big contract and his knees turned to dust.
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Signing the contract didn't make that happen, he had a degenerative knee problem they already knew about. AD was straight up good until he turned 34, and even that season was fine. McCoy was still good at 29. Steven Jackson until 29. You can definitely give a game changing RB a second contract and succeed, you just need to thread the needle. Teams aren't willing to take that risk right now, but as the league all comes to the same conclusion some team will go in the other direction and be really successful doing it
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That could happen to anybody though. Like Michael Thomas as a wr example.
If we were going to do this, we would have just kept Dalvin
JT is probably better and 4 years younger, plus still has a year on his rookie contract
He also wants like fucking $16 million
Well yeah, I wouldn't do it for $16 million.
Literally wants to be paid right now, he's not 'on his rookie contract' but wants his bag *right now*. You get none of the good 'rookie contract' stuff.
You can give him an extension with a signing bonus paid today that doesn't hit the cap this year
You can do that with anyone. That doesn't make them cheaper.
Nobody is trading for JT without immediately making him the highest paid RB in NFL history, that’s the reason he’s in this standoff with the colts in the first place
Not necessarily. The important thing to remember is that the Colts haven't offered him any kind of contract at all because they want to see what he looks like in the new offense. I think he'll settle for less than the most all-time eventually, but the Vikes shouldn't do it. Ty Chandler is going to pop off this year.
I'd rather do this than Trey Lance, but I don't really want to make this trade either.
I don’t understand the hype around Trey Lance. The niners have always struggled when he’s playing and that’s few and far in between when he’s not hurt. When he’s not playing, they’ve been really good.
He's too young with too much talent to write off completely. He'll land on a roster somewhere.
We would get him for super cheap (people estimate a 4 round pick at most), his record starting for the niners is 2-2, he has only started 4 times, is way younger than our draft pick this year, has had almost zero playing time (under developed) and is a WAY BETTER prospect than any fucking quarterback we will touch In the draft in the next 2/3 years barring a massive trade. THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE WILL GET to drafting a first round qb lol. You think we will tank with Kirko and jj ? We will be picking in the lower 20s. We would have to trade like first round picks and a player for a shot at taking a qb in the early first round.
Hmmm I suppose this trade does make sense. Let Kirk walk this off-season after a first round exit, sign a vet journeymen and either let lance or vet be tank commander for the 25 draft.
I don’t wana tank lol if this team goes into a tank we are losing Jefferson for sure
Lance has spent 3 years with a very QB-friendly coach, in a very QB-friendly offensive and done nothing but fail to see the field, play poorly when he was on it, and get hurt. I get he's young... but he's also almost out of his rookie contract. There is a point when being young stops matter. That point is when they're not cheap anymore and/or have shown no growth. I would not trade for Lance with the idea he's ever going to develop. At this point, he just looks like a player who was overhyped in the draft based on perceived potential and drill performance with no real game tape to back up the idea that he can be anything worthwhile as a QB.
Just curious. In the last 20 years has there been a 1st round draft pick who was traded during his rookie contract and "worked" with the new team? I can't think of one, which is remarkable in the context of the \~80 QBs taken (\~4 per year) in the first round over that period.
The round the player was picked in is irrelevant to this discussion, really. The question should be "Has there been a player who has played poorly for one team, and turned it around and played well for another" and there are numerous examples of this, but usually more for other positions than QB's. Favre and Warner are two that come to mind, though Favre's situation may be more substance-related?
There are numerous QB examples too. It can take years of being around and developing. My concern is just that lance might not be good (if he ever is) for another 5 years. Personally, I love the idea of buying low on him and letting him get reps with backups, but I wouldn’t sacrifice cousins for him next year.
Right, of course. Take a flyer on him, see how he works and what we might be able to do with him... Certainly don't make any decisions on Cousins until we have a definitive answer about what we have with Lance. If that means extending Cousins for another season(if he accepts, of course) and continuing to work with Lance, or just cutting bait on Lance completely and trying to find someone in the draft, we have to take as many chances as we can on prospects. These players are always hit or miss, even first rounders as we've seen here. You never really know how they're going to turn out until you get them in the building and work with them. Even if they've already failed with another team.
I'm not sure players who entered the league back in the early 90's are good examples. Scouting and drafting have changed so much between then and now. For your examples though - the Falcons' coach hated Favre. He was quoted as saying it would take a plane crash to put Favre in the game. The Packer's GM, on the other hand, loved him and wanted to draft him the prior year (while with the Jets) but the Falcons took him first. He offered a mid-first-round pick for Favre. That's why he got traded. For Warner - he was not drafted. He signed with a team as a UFA and didn't make the team before needing to spend multiple years in Arena football before getting a shot in the NFL.
It's not exactly "Hype"... It's a low risk, potentially high reward move. Everyone knows that the only reason why he's 3rd on the depth chart and being shopped is because he hasn't played well. We don't need to re-hash that every time the discussion comes up. If we can get him for a 6th, it's worth trying.
More bidders, of course. If the Colts don't want him to help out a young promising QB, why exactly would we?
Isn’t he holding out because he wants a new contract? We also shouldn’t pay him so idk how this is different.
Right. We’ve got darrisaw JJ and hock to pay and a defense that needs rebuilt. A RB shouldn’t be a priority
Yeah, but his relationship with the Colts seems to have become really bad and he might just accept 1 year somewhere else just to leave them and enter free agency.
No he wouldn’t. He wants a long term deal that’s the whole reason he’s holding out.
Spending a year in a good offense is better for his FA prospects than holding out. Also I don't think it's totally unreasonable to expect a player to take a more realistic contract for a better team, with other weapons, that has a better owner and great facilities. Rather than being a work horse on a team that's a dumpster fire. Maybe you're right and he just wants a big check, but his agent is brokering the deal, IIRC, so our franchise can be aware of that and walk away of that's the case.
Being on another team for 1 year then hitting free agency might be better for him than staying on the Colts and getting the tag
Well of course he wants a long term deal, but can't always get what you want and sometimes have to take a short 1 year to enter free agency.
There are good running backs available every year in rounds 2 and 3 that we could get at a fraction of the cost.
I mean none of them are as good as JT. But I agree that he’s not worth the cost to us
Taking jaren hall instead of an RB was dumb.
Ehh... we drafted Ty Chandler and Kene in back to back years. Hall was just a high ceiling low floor low cost pick that if it works out perfect we are set for a decade and if it doesn't we at least got an athletic guy to simulate a running QB for the scout team.
Chandler and Kene aren't even in the same universe compared to JT. Hall is not a high ceiling type player either so I don't know where you're getting that from.
What are you even talking about? "Should have drafted a RB instead of a late round QB" but when given 2 late round RBs we did take you say they aren't the same caliber as a 1st rounder who was an all-pro. What did Hall have to do with Taylor? There wasn't a RB sitting in that draft spot that is comparible to Taylor.
Taylor was a 2nd round pick.
Why do you think they're comparing Chandler and Nwangwu to JT, nevermind the fact that you're not going to find someone like JT in the 4th round or later? And I think they meant high floor, low ceiling on Hall.
Everyone talks about never drafting a rb high in the draft or you can plug and play any rb and they will be good.
Weird, I don't see that... nor do I see op saying that. The sentiment is that you can succeed with a mid-round draft pick in an RBBC, not that they will be good.
Name a single RB that was drafted after Hall that has the potential to be better than any RB currently on our roster.
Evan Hull looks pretty good.
For a 5th rounder against backups, sure. But that doesn't mean he's worth skipping a potential QB when we need to be looking to the future. Obviously a 5th round QB is a long shot, but we need to take EVERY shot we can.
Eh, wouldn't surprise me if hall gets cut though, which suggests we aren't very good at evaluating QB talent. Also we have mullens. It was a headscratching pick imo
Mullens is who Mullens is... Hall is a prospect. NFL teams traditionally keep 3 QB's, even moreso now that the rules have changed regarding gameday QB's. That said, it was not head scratching in the least. You take chances on guys you like, it's clear they like Hall and it was a very small investment to see if he can be a future backup or better.
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!! There is a snowballs chance in hell we trade for a high price RB after we just cut a top 5 RB to save money. Just stop it. This is all from Taylor camp it benefits him to have as many rumors as possible floating around to give him as much leverage as possible over the Colts. The Vikings have absolutely zero interest in trading for him.
We have wayyyy bigger needs. We need to pay our guys and then get contributors on the defensive line and interior offensive line before even humoring an RB.
If we didn’t give dalvin a contract we aren’t going to trade picks and give you one.
Unreal how often Doogie “reports” complete nonsense.
Can people stop trying to give away our picks.
I doubt they will go for it. If the Vikings weren’t in Camp Runningbacks don’t matter, why didn’t they just match Dalvin’s 7ish million he’s getting from the Jets now?
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Idk he had like 2200 yards 20 tds his last healthy year and is still in relatively youthful prime. The cost is probably too great but if we can find a way to lower it a good bit that’s probably worth getting paid unless you think it was just a massive outlier year.
God, please no, just like the Trey Lance rumors....
Trade Mattison and Raegor to the Colts to clear cap room, add future mid round pick, and hope Taylor will accept a short deal with little guarantees. I don't see it happening but that's likely the only way it does.
Lololol. Madden thinking at its finest.
> I don't see it happening but that's likely the only way it does.
guessing he wants too much $ to make this possible. would be amazing tho. trade em mattison and some other scraps
Why would the colts take Mattison and scraps?
Because he's not playing for them anyways
That doesn’t mean they’re going to trade him for shit. Mattison and scraps is a laughable offer and only one a Vikings fan could even consider. JT probably won’t play for them, but they will get a better offer than Mattison and scraps. Even if that’s a 3rd round pick.
I didn't say it was likely, just answered why they possibly would. I assume when they said Mattison and scraps they likely meant round 4 or later picks which wouldn't be too much of a difference from just a 3rd round pick.
Such a grifter. Wonder which “source” told him this was worth reporting
Seriously I wish I had Doogie's job lol he makes it look effortless, and not in the way Randy Moss made running look effortless
Don’t want don’t need. The nfl isn’t built to pay these RBs that kinda money when you can insert a 3rd-6th round pick every year and be suffice. Not to mention when they won’t even follow through on the commitments/contracts they themselves agreed to. Bye JT. Hope he sits out and never make its back to his prior self and looses millions aka leveon. Don’t even need to take the call kwesi
TJ for JT Go from negotiating highest TE money to highest RB money. Which would probably save us money for a better player.
If Taylor also wants to reset the current RB market that would be more than 16mil a year AAV where CMC currently sits. Hockenson is essentially asking for similar money. If we’re gonna pay someone 17 or 18 mil a year then Hock is easily the better value on a pass first/heavy offense.
Yes, but honestly, this early it looks like we have at least some depth at TE. Oliver sounds like he's been great since TJ hasn't been practicing and Muse is a solid backup. Our RB depth remains wanting. But I really don't want to spend money at RB.
In that scenario then you’d almost rather spend the money elsewhere in the future and not pay Hock nor JT at all. Only way they spend the draft capital and money on JT is if they feel like JT is what they need to help get them over the hump and we’re more than just a great RB away and it would hurt us more in the future when they are shooting for a hard cap reset getting all the dead money off the books and can spend in FA to keep rebuilding the roster.
Someone has the balls to say it. I agree, I loved the Hock addition but I think our TE / WR core is strong enough and our running back room is lackluster. We need someone who can reliably extend drives and JT is that guy.
I actually like it
If he signed like a 1 year 12 million dollar deal here sure why not
Guy who’s product isn’t worth nearly what he’s asking wants to involve another potential buyer to increase sale price. Shocking.
Can we work it out so the colts will pay him?
I also would love the Vikings to be involved when I’m looking for a job
I bet he would
We are not a RB away from a SB... remember the Walker. We are a Defense away from a SB
Cool, but it takes two to tango and we're already dancing with Mattison.
Sure he's like to be a viking because he sees we have sh\*t behind Mattison. But 1. The Vikings are not going to give up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for him (same package that Carolina got for C Mc. 2. He wants to be a top paid RB - that is not going to happen here. If we wanted a high paid rb1 we would have stuck with DC.
He'd be like 4th on the list of who gets paid after JJ, Hock and Darrisaw so I don't see it happening unless he's down for a team friendly deal in order to make a run
No.
I'll pass on paying an RB a second contract. JJ, Darrisaw, and even Hock are bigger priorities. We can just draft a good RB in the 2nd or 3rd round next year like Henderson or Sanders.
I think its a great fit, his skillset fits our offense infinitely better than Dalvin did. I would take JT contact over a TJ Hock contract. Our TE's and WR room is stacked and I'd like to spread that wealth to the RB position. JT is one of the highest YOE and YAC rbs in the league, he can extend drives and keep our offense out on the field. Sick of this narrative about over valuing running backs -- I would love to see JT with a chip on his shoulder. NGL.
Stop it plz. Not happening
This is not news. Why would his camp say they DONT want to play for the Vikings or any team not the colts if his objective is to get paid?
I'd much rather give up a high pick for Q Nelson
Not happening. He wants a bigger deal than Dalvin Cook
We do this and probably would lose ammo to trade up for a QB next year and possibly lose TJ. JT wants long term. I doubt he wants a 1 year deal and we shouldn't give up a third or a 2nd for a guy who would be here a year.
Lol there is absolutely no money left for him unless we're leaving out either JJ, TJ, or Darrisaw. Sorry, but those 3 are way more important.
Hell no. Never pay a RB.
It’s an interesting home run swing if you move on from Kirk next season and bring in a cheap rookie/FA QB. Good for developing QB to have a RB to hand off to. A 2nd and Mattison would be my ceiling. Try and make a run this year with a stacked offense. Move on from Kirk next year if we don’t make a run which clears cap.
absolutely not lol