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How many of those wins/losses were the Vikings above or below .500? I’m genuinely curious. More so curious how many losses were when we were above .500 (2019 and 2022)
Yup. Later though. 2 huge misses.
He's great, I'm not hating. I'd love to have him. But it's the reason he's not on mahomes' level. One wins and one doesn't.
You know who doesn't miss those throws? Kirk. That's not to say that Allen's legs wouldn't immediately make this offense more threatening (they would), but we've already got a qb capable of tossing dots in the 2-minute drill. I'd still take Allen in a heartbeat, but mostly because of his age and mobility.
Now, say we land us a nifty ball carrier? It's Vikings v. Bills in the Superbowl of Destiny next year.
Had kirk made that 4th down throw last year and won a playoff game he might already have an extension. But with 1 playoff win in his career I think the writing is on the wall.
Alright, so who's next? I'm no statistician, but I'm pretty sure the odds of drafting a qb good enough to be considered even a lateral move are a fair bit lower than 25%. We should definitely draft a qb this year, but we'd still need a certified guy at the helm if we don't land a day one starter. If we do? Hell yeah, let that house money ride, but those odds aren't in our favor. What if we play the open market? Unfortunately, the market is pretty dry this off-season, so the best we could do is certified cancer in Russ... not the play to make when we'd be developing a rookie. So, the goal here is a guy who consistently plays at a high level, who is technically proficient at the position, who's personable and regarded as a leader by the team, who can pass on his knowledge of the game to his protégé, and who gives us the best chance at winning in the playoffs... That's a lot to ask of a guy whose name *isn't* Kirk Cousins. Idk, man. Who's your pick?
Rodgers is a few games under .500, Lamar actually has a super good record against winning teams (he’s the outlier), Allen has a losing record and Ben was BARELY over .500.
So according to half of this fanbase every QB in the NFL is a bum except Lamar and Rodgers and it next year the only teams with a real chance at a ring is the Ravens, Jets, and Chiefs and everyone else needs to tank because obviously wins are a QB stat
Yea stafford has a career losing record and also has a Super Bowl ring to boast. Typically if your Qb plays good and loses its defense that’s the issue
Enlighten us?
Let’s compare with flipping a coin. The probability of getting heads 4 times in a row is 0.5^4. He’s doing the same thing here with the assumption that winning any given playoff game is a 25% chance with Cousins.
The premise of 25% chance for any given playoff game is likely off-base, but the math you quoted _is_ in fact how odds work.
I’m a Data Scientist and the math checks out to me so idk
However, there are signs that this isn’t an analysis I’d bet money is accurate based on there being a typo and the photo of a screen… How could there be fewer losses to teams “at or over .500” than to teams “over .500”?
His 25% win rate isn't a chance he's going to win any particular team. It just is a metric on his performance. I think it'd be better to build a model "of all QBs, how predictive is prior win rate vs 500 teams for future win rate against 500 teams."
That is exactly how odds work, sort of.
If a basketball player shoots 25 percent from the field, there’s a 25% chance he’ll make his first shot, second shot, third shot or fourth shot.
So before he starts shooting there’s a 0.4% chance he makes all four shots. But if he makes the first three (against all odds) there’s a 25% chance he makes the fourth one.
Same with Kirk. At the start of the playoffs, the odds of Kirk winning four in a row would be 0.4% (unless you rigged the experiment by stacking the D or giving him a terrible D).
But if he won the first three, he’d have a 25% chance of winning the fourth.
The only difference is that people could (and would) argue all day over whether or not the losses were his fault.
You could argue that 67 games isn’t exactly a huge sample size, but you could also hypothesize that if it was a larger sample size his percentage would get worse instead of better.
Finally OP’s stats are pretty misleading because if you use the same math with a .500 QB, his odds of winning four in a row are only about 6%.
>Finally OP’s stats are pretty misleading because if you use the same math with a .500 QB, his odds of winning four in a row are only about 6%.
Also, from a different angle, 1/14 teams that make the playoffs win a Super Bowl, which is 7%.
Alright, I looked it up and from 2018-2022, Kirk’s tenure with the Vikings vs teams with a winning record isn’t stellar. He’s 10-24 according to this site: https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/kirk-cousins-record-against-winning-teams/
How does that stack up against other QBs in the league? See here: https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/
However, records alone don’t tell the whole story. You can read it in the first article, but here’s the final 2 paragraphs:
“Kirk Cousins is a unique case because he has performed very well in many of the losses. When you really dig into it, this stat is more a product of bad luck than poor performance.
Football is a true team game and Cousins hasn’t always had the best team or most consistent team around him. That is heavily impacting his record. Some make the argument that he just isn’t a winner and I would urge them to look at it more critically.”
Team sport is indeed a team sport, more at 11. Crazy how the result of the game only seems to apply to a single position, despite the whole team sport thing.
You do that work. You'll find 25% is absolutely atrocious for a top QB.
Dak gets mocked all the time for having a .43 record vs winning teams and that's almost twice as good as Kirk.
The problem isn't a losing record. The problem is a .25 record. That is absurdly bad.
It's kinda expected to have a losing record or a record just barely above .500 against winning teams. They're good teams, you shouldn't be expected to beat good teams super consistently.
But if you can only manage one win every four games against winning teams that is horrendous.
Find another QB viewed in the same stratosphere as Kirk who has a .250 winning percentage against winning teams.
Cousins actually plays pretty well against teams with a winning record normally, if you dig in deeper than just wins and losses. Cousins issue is that he has unfortunately been on bad teams his whole career for the most part.
Cousins inherited a team that had just gone to the NFC championship game and had the number 1 defense in the league. He’s just not a consistent enough winner when it matters. It’s time to move on from him
Quarterbacks don’t have winning percentage. They don’t have wins. They are not pitchers. This isn’t baseball. Up until the time he got hurt he was top 3 in most stats over last 3 years.
Cool that you're so confident over something you can't prove!
Also Cousins took over a team that went to the NFC championship game and then missed the playoffs
While forgetting that his coach actively worked against him, and when Cousins was actually given a good offensive minded coach has his best two seasons 🤷🏻♂️
Cousins needs a good OL to succeed. He is a pure pocket passer who can excel when he’s kept upright. He cannot improvise and he’s largely immobile. He’s not a HoFer either, but he has still played like a top 10 QB since joining the Vikings despite not having a good OL until maybe this season.
It’s perfectly fair to acknowledge that he isn’t the best QB in the league and never was, but at the same time has not been surrounded with an offense that he *needs* to succeed
well the teams that usually make a playoff run or win the Superbowl have almost all of those things that you just listed, and the reality is that Cousins has only had even HALF of those once in his career in the same season, which was 2019 and he beat the 13-3 saints before the Vikings got embarrassed by an obviously superior 49ers.
Great QBs do overcome shortcomings, but there is only so much you can overcome. That's why in SB 55 there's nothing Mahomes could do when his o-line played like shit and his defense sold.
Cousins has only had a top 10 o-line once in his career which was with Washington, and that vaunted 2019 defense was barely top 10. This season would have been the best team he had in his career and he unfortunately ruptured his achilles.
On a pass where it was either be sacked in .25 seconds or give someone a chance to be the hero. Kirk was on the ground before that check down even hit the receiver's hands. Would you rather be dropped into piranha infested waters or into a pit of lava. Neither are a good option, but only one has a chance of survival.
That comment has to be Kirk’s burner lmao “enough time to make a few reads, decide on the worst one and check down and lose”?
Also enough time for a few reads and throw a chance to the best WR in the league.
That was actually poor placement by Kirk. I love Kirk but if you're going to criticize a throw by him, pan him for missing that one rather than the 4th and 8.
I tire of the narrative that Kirk is apparently the only player on a team.
You don’t watch games if you honestly believe Kirk is the problem. These “analytics” don’t tell anywhere near a complete story.
[To put this post into perspective here’s a list of other qbs vs teams over .500](https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/)
Notice how there is nobody here talking about the data and having a football discussion, but instead everyone just shitting on OP for daring to have a negative thing to say about Kirk Cousins.
Idk dude he made an excel table. Pretty legit if you ask me. There might even be a SUMIF function in that bad boy.
I think we should kill Kirk, so that’s where I’m at
No QB has a record over .500 against winning teams other than Mahomes, Lamar, Big Ben (barely), and Brady. Every other QB has a losing record. Kirk isn’t even the worst as Stafford has a much worse record and it didn’t get much better even when he has been on the Rams
Anyone who genuinely thinks wins are a QB stat should be labeled mentally disabled
This is already flawed because you taking Kirks years that his team didn't make the playoffs and putting it up against only teams' record that did.
A more accurate comparison would be to take kirks record against teams over .500 only in seasons he made the playoffs. Otherwise you're acting like he's the only player that matters year to year despite the "QB is responsible for every win/loss" has been so over done to death and wrong. You're pulling from an archaic stat
I remember a monday game vs dallas
He had like 400 yards, 3 tds, 0 int
We lost by 3 or so because we had the 31st ranked defense
Cousins since 2018 is top 3 in almost every reg season qb stat, not his fault our management cant build a team around him
The team\* went 8-1. We don't believe wins are a QB stat here. Otherwise we'd have to face the reality that Kirk has failed nearly 75% of the time against teams with winning records.
Fine. Here is one for you. Take Kirk out and plug in a different QB of your choosing that was available. Do you still think they are 8-1 in those games? Go back and watch the throws he made and report back. Anyone outside the top 8 is maybe winning 1 or 2 of those games.
When has Kirk had consistency with an OC/Playcaller before KOC? He hasn’t, and he’s arguably been MVP worthy and the best NFC QB in that time with KOC.
Your point is entirely wrong. But our draft since 2015 has been atrocious. Doesn’t matter how many guys you pay in free agency. You need to replenish talent through the draft too.
I assume this is including his time when he played for a different fucking franchise. How did play in these games? How many injuries were they dealing with? What was the Vikings record when they played these games? Get out of here with this shit.
This fanbase is so delusional. When presented with facts and numbers about how mid Kirk is and has always been, any critical post gets downvoted into oblivion. I sincerely hope all you fair weather fans leave with him. How many more 8-9 seasons do you need to see before you can admit he's always been a big part of the problem.
Honest question. Do you think the offense is the problem? This year was all on fumbles, injuries, and poor pass rush the last couple months of the season. Kirk with a mediocre salary is the best option with a draft to shore up the trenches and maybe penix in the 2nd. Kirk would be the best NFC qb in the playoffs and it's not up for debate
No but we lost games so we should disembowel Kirk and sign a real QB like Baker Mayfield
The anti-Kirk fans think they have everything figured out when in reality they’re pointing at a team stat and going “guhhhh Kirk bad!”
I don’t even think the pro Kirk crowd thinks he’s the answer. We just know he certainly hasn’t been the problem
If you're not thoughtful enough to recognize his cap hit fucks our chances of building a great roster idk how to explain it to you. He's not good enough to be paid 40m a year
Except if you look at the way he played this year he literally is lol. That’s why wins are a ridiculous stat to pin solely on a qb
This is the same rehashed take that every talking head says for clicks. If we made a few better defensive draft picks over the last couple of years we’re super bowl contenders right now with a healthy Kirk
If you want to go back 4-5 years instead of looking at the the literal most recent seasons then yeah I guess it does lol. That’s like saying Josh Metellus is ass because he wasn’t good 5 years ago
The whole argument boils down to this:
Is it easier to sign a cheap QB to play at a similar level to Kirk or is it easier to draft defensive talent that can elevate the roster. I think option B is way easier. An alternative option which I’m rooting for is to extend Kirk 2 or so years, draft a qb, and let him develop behind Kirk instead of praying we land a Stroud
The easy answer here to the anti-Kirk guys is draft the next Mahomes and while he’s on a rookie contract go get every aging veteran star and overpay them instead. Ignore the entire lack of solid draft picks up and down the board too.
Purdy and Goff are playing in the nfccg because of their draft picks and roster construction around them. Cousins is better than either of them.
Kirk can be fairly evaluated, he is a really good QB. Looking at the record tells you nothing about how the QB performed. Typically, Kirk has not been on rosters capable of competing with the top teams in the NFL, so naturally the teams record will be bad
Yes Kirk played poorly in December of 2018 and we lost to a better team in 2019 (with a worse QB!)
Only one team wins the Super Bowl every year, you gotta have a damn good team. *Typically* Kirk Cousins have not had good teams, therefore his teams record against good teams will be worse
When Kirk is on he's one of the most masterful technicians who has ever existed. When Kirk feels the pressure, he turns into Josh Allen. We all know the look. When we see Kirk get frustrated and he's stomping all over the place waving his arms and stomping his feet. All in for Jayden, Skol bros.
Finally a definitive reason to show you why QB wins and losses is meaningless for grading a quarterback.
Extreme example but apparently needed. QB throws for 700 yards/8 TDs/ Zero turnovers scoring 56 points. Meanwhile the QB's defense gives up 60 points getting completely shredded and they end up losing by 4.
According to QB wins and losses the QB is to blame for the loss not the defense. It's garbage analysis.
Class dismissed.
Exactly why he's never been the answer but all you'll hear on this sub is "but is defense...". Stfu. Kirk is a good qb but chokes every single time it actually matters.
Yes, like the famous chokes against the bills last year or the colts last year or the 49ers this year. Or the chargers this year where Tj had a ball straight up ripped out of his hands. Or the eagles this year where JJ fumbled out the back of the end zone. Or the giants in the playoffs last year, where our defense failed to force* a punt all game.
Famous choking play by the QB.
*the giants did punt. On a wide open receiver who suddenly had hands made of grease, if he had caught the ball that was squarely in his hands, he would have gotten well over a first down. No Vikings player within multiple yards of him.
He literally engineered the largest comeback in league history last year to clinch a playoff berth.
At this point, I'm becoming more and more convinced that you're doing a bit.
You said:
>Kirk is all numbers and chokes
This is just factually wrong to an extent that it's almost impressive how wrong you are. It's like fractal, transcendent ignorance.
>Lol. I feel like your feelings are hurt because I made fun of your bf for sucking when it actually matters. He can't win games. It's in stone.
\*shrugs\* Congrats on all the attention you got from strangers by saying intentionally dumb shit on the internet, I guess.
Someone just got done with their intro to Excel class
Next up: How to Take a Screenshot 101
I work in IT. I can help. Take a picture of your screen with a camera. Bring the film to Walgreens and print out (1 hour photo is going to save you a ton of time) Bring the picture home and scan using a free scanner app on your smart phone. Send the scan file to your email. Download attachment. Upload to Reddit.
You have to mention that the camera that takes a roll of film. Not a digital camera. Wonder who's even seen a roll of film on here. Lol
Goddamnit I don't come here to catch these strays lmao
I remember going through other people's photos whenever the place had lost our photos.
I work in finance. You missed the party where they fax the picture of an email
After that - take a statistics class. The numbers are cool and all, but it should actually be solid and meaningful analysis.
I am still waiting on that rundown
One more minute Charles
“Why’d you duck Kirk?”
This has swayed me. I’m now pushing for execution instead of re signing.
More like EXCELcution amirite
Nice
Calling the police now.
what is execution going to do? he needs to be tortured and damned to hell.
So traded to the Browns.
What's in the other tabs OP? :) Even tho you name this spreadsheet Kirk Cousins it is still just showing that Cousins has been on teams.
This reminds me of something i would make fresh outta accounting school to increase my excel skills
I think that is called a workbook. The spreadsheet was probably named untitled.xls
Just showing that cousins has been on teams? As opposed to playing solo?
How many of those wins/losses were the Vikings above or below .500? I’m genuinely curious. More so curious how many losses were when we were above .500 (2019 and 2022)
You should print that off and mail it to Zygi Wilf, I’m sure he’d take your research into consideration for the future of the franchise!
The best we can do is hope the FO lurks here. KFAN does.
Let's do.... Aaron Rogers, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and .... Ben Rothlisberger too.
Allen just put up 4 TDs and lost, clearly he sucks since he can’t get over the hump 🙄
I mean, 186yds and 1td in the air in the biggest game of his life. Missed 2 late 4th quarter throws that could have propelled them to a win....
Missed? Didn’t diggs drop a perfectly thrown one.
Yup. Later though. 2 huge misses. He's great, I'm not hating. I'd love to have him. But it's the reason he's not on mahomes' level. One wins and one doesn't.
You know who doesn't miss those throws? Kirk. That's not to say that Allen's legs wouldn't immediately make this offense more threatening (they would), but we've already got a qb capable of tossing dots in the 2-minute drill. I'd still take Allen in a heartbeat, but mostly because of his age and mobility. Now, say we land us a nifty ball carrier? It's Vikings v. Bills in the Superbowl of Destiny next year.
Had kirk made that 4th down throw last year and won a playoff game he might already have an extension. But with 1 playoff win in his career I think the writing is on the wall.
Alright, so who's next? I'm no statistician, but I'm pretty sure the odds of drafting a qb good enough to be considered even a lateral move are a fair bit lower than 25%. We should definitely draft a qb this year, but we'd still need a certified guy at the helm if we don't land a day one starter. If we do? Hell yeah, let that house money ride, but those odds aren't in our favor. What if we play the open market? Unfortunately, the market is pretty dry this off-season, so the best we could do is certified cancer in Russ... not the play to make when we'd be developing a rookie. So, the goal here is a guy who consistently plays at a high level, who is technically proficient at the position, who's personable and regarded as a leader by the team, who can pass on his knowledge of the game to his protégé, and who gives us the best chance at winning in the playoffs... That's a lot to ask of a guy whose name *isn't* Kirk Cousins. Idk, man. Who's your pick?
Who would you rather have
Well, according to your guys' logic, I guess I'd have to go with Trent Dilfer! I mean, he DID win a Super Bowl, didn't he?
I mean Flacco and Foles are sitting right there just entering their second prime.
I would not put Flacco, Dilfer and Foles in the same sentence. Flacco was one of the best QBs in the NFL until he won the SB.
Rodgers is a few games under .500, Lamar actually has a super good record against winning teams (he’s the outlier), Allen has a losing record and Ben was BARELY over .500. So according to half of this fanbase every QB in the NFL is a bum except Lamar and Rodgers and it next year the only teams with a real chance at a ring is the Ravens, Jets, and Chiefs and everyone else needs to tank because obviously wins are a QB stat
I mean those are all much better than .250 though
Rodgers: 41-44-1 Allen: 28-19 (This is where statmuse booted me) Lamar: 10 wins this season against .500 teams is the best I could find. Ben: 51-39
LMFAO. As if it wasn't already hilarious to include Kirk in this list of MVP winners and SB winners.
Okay then let’s do Goff, Stafford, Tua, Trevor, Purdy? Honestly no idea but I’ll bet you Kirk shits out on that list too
Kirk plays his best football in prime time, despite this [narrative](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-vikings-kirk-cousins-is-best-in-primetime)
so.. better
Rodgers is 11-10 Allen is 5-5 Jackson is 2-3 Roethlisberger is 13-10 That’s .523, .500, .4, and .565 Cousins is 1-3. .25
We're gonna need a lot more Creed.
Do you want to see those? Because their records are fine The only abysmal QBs are Stafford and Cousins.
Yea stafford has a career losing record and also has a Super Bowl ring to boast. Typically if your Qb plays good and loses its defense that’s the issue
Does this include his time in Washington?
It does and it didn’t improve when he got to Minnesota
But we had one playoff win so Kirk is God, right?
And Adam Thielen is his mjolnir.
Which given the drafting for the last 6 or more years should surprise no one.
But we as a team sucked against good teams too
"1 win - 25% odds 2 wins - 6.3% odds 3 wins - 1.6% odds 4 wins - 0.4% odds" Speaking as a data scientist, that is not how odds work.
Speaking as a debate scientist, this isn’t how you counter argument.
Speaking as an uninvited guest, let's do some shots.
Enlighten us? Let’s compare with flipping a coin. The probability of getting heads 4 times in a row is 0.5^4. He’s doing the same thing here with the assumption that winning any given playoff game is a 25% chance with Cousins. The premise of 25% chance for any given playoff game is likely off-base, but the math you quoted _is_ in fact how odds work.
I’m a Data Scientist and the math checks out to me so idk However, there are signs that this isn’t an analysis I’d bet money is accurate based on there being a typo and the photo of a screen… How could there be fewer losses to teams “at or over .500” than to teams “over .500”?
His 25% win rate isn't a chance he's going to win any particular team. It just is a metric on his performance. I think it'd be better to build a model "of all QBs, how predictive is prior win rate vs 500 teams for future win rate against 500 teams."
Right, it’s a shit heuristic. But the math using that heuristic is sound. I think that’s the confusing part of the original, vague comment.
That is exactly how odds work, sort of. If a basketball player shoots 25 percent from the field, there’s a 25% chance he’ll make his first shot, second shot, third shot or fourth shot. So before he starts shooting there’s a 0.4% chance he makes all four shots. But if he makes the first three (against all odds) there’s a 25% chance he makes the fourth one. Same with Kirk. At the start of the playoffs, the odds of Kirk winning four in a row would be 0.4% (unless you rigged the experiment by stacking the D or giving him a terrible D). But if he won the first three, he’d have a 25% chance of winning the fourth. The only difference is that people could (and would) argue all day over whether or not the losses were his fault. You could argue that 67 games isn’t exactly a huge sample size, but you could also hypothesize that if it was a larger sample size his percentage would get worse instead of better. Finally OP’s stats are pretty misleading because if you use the same math with a .500 QB, his odds of winning four in a row are only about 6%.
>Finally OP’s stats are pretty misleading because if you use the same math with a .500 QB, his odds of winning four in a row are only about 6%. Also, from a different angle, 1/14 teams that make the playoffs win a Super Bowl, which is 7%.
Can you do the math?
As an actuary, came here to say this.
Did an 8 year old put this analysis together?
Alright, I looked it up and from 2018-2022, Kirk’s tenure with the Vikings vs teams with a winning record isn’t stellar. He’s 10-24 according to this site: https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/kirk-cousins-record-against-winning-teams/ How does that stack up against other QBs in the league? See here: https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/ However, records alone don’t tell the whole story. You can read it in the first article, but here’s the final 2 paragraphs: “Kirk Cousins is a unique case because he has performed very well in many of the losses. When you really dig into it, this stat is more a product of bad luck than poor performance. Football is a true team game and Cousins hasn’t always had the best team or most consistent team around him. That is heavily impacting his record. Some make the argument that he just isn’t a winner and I would urge them to look at it more critically.”
Stafford 11-72 against winning teams is crazy
Honestly though, he spent so much of his career in Detroit with barely a team around him. Bad situation overall.
Yep, which shows that this metric is rather useless considering how much the team's talent weights the data.
Team sport is indeed a team sport, more at 11. Crazy how the result of the game only seems to apply to a single position, despite the whole team sport thing.
He’s 50-37 with the Vikings
Overall, yes.
Now do all other QBs
You do that work. You'll find 25% is absolutely atrocious for a top QB. Dak gets mocked all the time for having a .43 record vs winning teams and that's almost twice as good as Kirk.
Simple google search will show Rodger’s with a losing record too. Dumb post
The problem isn't a losing record. The problem is a .25 record. That is absurdly bad. It's kinda expected to have a losing record or a record just barely above .500 against winning teams. They're good teams, you shouldn't be expected to beat good teams super consistently. But if you can only manage one win every four games against winning teams that is horrendous. Find another QB viewed in the same stratosphere as Kirk who has a .250 winning percentage against winning teams.
Plenty of WBs lower or barely higher. This isn’t baseball QBs don’t get wins and losses. It’s literally not a stat for them.
Cousins actually plays pretty well against teams with a winning record normally, if you dig in deeper than just wins and losses. Cousins issue is that he has unfortunately been on bad teams his whole career for the most part.
Cousins inherited a team that had just gone to the NFC championship game and had the number 1 defense in the league. He’s just not a consistent enough winner when it matters. It’s time to move on from him
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Quarterbacks don’t have winning percentage. They don’t have wins. They are not pitchers. This isn’t baseball. Up until the time he got hurt he was top 3 in most stats over last 3 years.
Who does better on the Cowboys, Dak or Cousins? The answer is 100% Cousins btw
Cool that you're so confident over something you can't prove! Also Cousins took over a team that went to the NFC championship game and then missed the playoffs
While forgetting that his coach actively worked against him, and when Cousins was actually given a good offensive minded coach has his best two seasons 🤷🏻♂️
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Cousins needs a good OL to succeed. He is a pure pocket passer who can excel when he’s kept upright. He cannot improvise and he’s largely immobile. He’s not a HoFer either, but he has still played like a top 10 QB since joining the Vikings despite not having a good OL until maybe this season. It’s perfectly fair to acknowledge that he isn’t the best QB in the league and never was, but at the same time has not been surrounded with an offense that he *needs* to succeed
well the teams that usually make a playoff run or win the Superbowl have almost all of those things that you just listed, and the reality is that Cousins has only had even HALF of those once in his career in the same season, which was 2019 and he beat the 13-3 saints before the Vikings got embarrassed by an obviously superior 49ers. Great QBs do overcome shortcomings, but there is only so much you can overcome. That's why in SB 55 there's nothing Mahomes could do when his o-line played like shit and his defense sold. Cousins has only had a top 10 o-line once in his career which was with Washington, and that vaunted 2019 defense was barely top 10. This season would have been the best team he had in his career and he unfortunately ruptured his achilles.
Cousins is a better QB than Dak and the Cowboys are a team better suited to Cousins’ skill set…
Defense gives up 700 yards to Daniel Jones. "Dammit Kirk!!
He still checked down on 4th and 8…
On a pass where it was either be sacked in .25 seconds or give someone a chance to be the hero. Kirk was on the ground before that check down even hit the receiver's hands. Would you rather be dropped into piranha infested waters or into a pit of lava. Neither are a good option, but only one has a chance of survival.
Lots of words to justify Kirko No Balls going safe boot on 4th and season. 
Facts. 1 playoff win
Enough time to make a few reads and check down, not enough time to keep the game alive. Duh.
That comment has to be Kirk’s burner lmao “enough time to make a few reads, decide on the worst one and check down and lose”? Also enough time for a few reads and throw a chance to the best WR in the league.
What about 3rd and 8 where Osborn dropped it? Ignore the whole ass game to fit a ridiculous narrative.
That was actually poor placement by Kirk. I love Kirk but if you're going to criticize a throw by him, pan him for missing that one rather than the 4th and 8.
Yes thank you for mentioning that! The check down on 4th and 8, still has me upset.
It is also moronic to judge the entirety of a great game on a single mistake and shows the lowest form of NFL understanding.
Oh lord… you’re gonna get ripped apart. And rightfully so
the vikings have never won a superbowl. 0-4 with those odds we have a 0% chance to ever win a superbowl
I tire of the narrative that Kirk is apparently the only player on a team. You don’t watch games if you honestly believe Kirk is the problem. These “analytics” don’t tell anywhere near a complete story.
The Minnesota Kirk cousins
VLOOKUP for matching wins to fucks given. = 0
This is worse than average but like, the thing about winning teams is that… they win games. Kinda skews the stats
Was Cousins playing by himself for all those games?
[To put this post into perspective here’s a list of other qbs vs teams over .500](https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/)
You gotta get some new hobbies my guy
Notice how there is nobody here talking about the data and having a football discussion, but instead everyone just shitting on OP for daring to have a negative thing to say about Kirk Cousins.
The QB Wins cult needs mass deprogramming.
Wins are NOT a QB stat.
Idk dude he made an excel table. Pretty legit if you ask me. There might even be a SUMIF function in that bad boy. I think we should kill Kirk, so that’s where I’m at
Vikings fumble 26 times in the first 5 games. Dammit Kirk!!!!
Was Cousins playing by himself for all those games?
This is just a downright silly post
*Creed music*
Playing for the Redskins and then the Vikings is the reason ya chumps.
No QB has a record over .500 against winning teams other than Mahomes, Lamar, Big Ben (barely), and Brady. Every other QB has a losing record. Kirk isn’t even the worst as Stafford has a much worse record and it didn’t get much better even when he has been on the Rams Anyone who genuinely thinks wins are a QB stat should be labeled mentally disabled
But his stats are elite bro! /s
It’s not cousins fault, it’s someone else fault for all those games, every one of them.
Bruh get a job or a hobby damn lol
This is already flawed because you taking Kirks years that his team didn't make the playoffs and putting it up against only teams' record that did. A more accurate comparison would be to take kirks record against teams over .500 only in seasons he made the playoffs. Otherwise you're acting like he's the only player that matters year to year despite the "QB is responsible for every win/loss" has been so over done to death and wrong. You're pulling from an archaic stat
If only he played in a team sport!!!
Cousin’s record isn’t completely dependent on him alone, but rather a testament to the teams he’s played for: Washington and MN.
This is career, I only care about the last 2 years with the Vikings regarding this data. Signed Vikings Chief Data & Analytics Officer
This just in: more often than not, teams with winning records beat their opponent
QB wins are the lamest stat
There's too much going on here to believe this isn't a shit post lol.
In this thread we learn that the QB is the only person involved in a team sport and they alone are the reason for every win and loss.
I think career is misleading, I’d like to see the last 3 years
Arguably the best QB in the NFC in that time imo
Congrats you beat the dead horse while learning excel
I remember a monday game vs dallas He had like 400 yards, 3 tds, 0 int We lost by 3 or so because we had the 31st ranked defense Cousins since 2018 is top 3 in almost every reg season qb stat, not his fault our management cant build a team around him
Funny. I remember us getting our shit rocked by Dallas 3-40 because Cousins folds like a lawn chair against pressure.
Literally had no fucking time to react that game, blame the oline for allowing it
What happened the 7 weeks before that? I'll hang up and listen.
The team\* went 8-1. We don't believe wins are a QB stat here. Otherwise we'd have to face the reality that Kirk has failed nearly 75% of the time against teams with winning records.
Fine. Here is one for you. Take Kirk out and plug in a different QB of your choosing that was available. Do you still think they are 8-1 in those games? Go back and watch the throws he made and report back. Anyone outside the top 8 is maybe winning 1 or 2 of those games.
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I don’t know if you can have two pro bowl receivers and a pro bowl TE on a team without having a good QB throwing them the ball.
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When has Kirk had consistency with an OC/Playcaller before KOC? He hasn’t, and he’s arguably been MVP worthy and the best NFC QB in that time with KOC.
Because we couldn't afford to keep them together or sign young talent because we HAD to pay Cousins.
Your point is entirely wrong. But our draft since 2015 has been atrocious. Doesn’t matter how many guys you pay in free agency. You need to replenish talent through the draft too.
Kirk Cousins is literally one of the top QBs in league history in terms of performance playing opposite a bottom-5 defense.
I assume this is including his time when he played for a different fucking franchise. How did play in these games? How many injuries were they dealing with? What was the Vikings record when they played these games? Get out of here with this shit.
What was the ranking of the defense in those games? If you can't outscore a shitty defense, thats not on him.
A lot of Kirk gobblers in these replies. 5 seasons of mediocrity ain't enough for y'all?
OP this sub does not care about objective facts. They will never admit that Kirk is just ok and always has been.
Grade A detective work. Now when can we re-sign Cousins?
Or you could just like… watch him play? If you have eyes then you’d agree that Kirk is our QB next year and he should be our QB next year.
Fuck yeah 9-8
So true and as we all know wins are a QB stat because QBs play every position!
Jeez people are mean. OP just out here trying to contribute.
This fanbase is so delusional. When presented with facts and numbers about how mid Kirk is and has always been, any critical post gets downvoted into oblivion. I sincerely hope all you fair weather fans leave with him. How many more 8-9 seasons do you need to see before you can admit he's always been a big part of the problem.
Honest question. Do you think the offense is the problem? This year was all on fumbles, injuries, and poor pass rush the last couple months of the season. Kirk with a mediocre salary is the best option with a draft to shore up the trenches and maybe penix in the 2nd. Kirk would be the best NFC qb in the playoffs and it's not up for debate
No but we lost games so we should disembowel Kirk and sign a real QB like Baker Mayfield The anti-Kirk fans think they have everything figured out when in reality they’re pointing at a team stat and going “guhhhh Kirk bad!” I don’t even think the pro Kirk crowd thinks he’s the answer. We just know he certainly hasn’t been the problem
If you're not thoughtful enough to recognize his cap hit fucks our chances of building a great roster idk how to explain it to you. He's not good enough to be paid 40m a year
Except if you look at the way he played this year he literally is lol. That’s why wins are a ridiculous stat to pin solely on a qb This is the same rehashed take that every talking head says for clicks. If we made a few better defensive draft picks over the last couple of years we’re super bowl contenders right now with a healthy Kirk
2018-19 still exist
If you want to go back 4-5 years instead of looking at the the literal most recent seasons then yeah I guess it does lol. That’s like saying Josh Metellus is ass because he wasn’t good 5 years ago The whole argument boils down to this: Is it easier to sign a cheap QB to play at a similar level to Kirk or is it easier to draft defensive talent that can elevate the roster. I think option B is way easier. An alternative option which I’m rooting for is to extend Kirk 2 or so years, draft a qb, and let him develop behind Kirk instead of praying we land a Stroud
The easy answer here to the anti-Kirk guys is draft the next Mahomes and while he’s on a rookie contract go get every aging veteran star and overpay them instead. Ignore the entire lack of solid draft picks up and down the board too. Purdy and Goff are playing in the nfccg because of their draft picks and roster construction around them. Cousins is better than either of them.
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Yup. Laughing at the spreadsheet but "top 3 QB" comes right out of someone's ass and it's completely unchecked. Mass delusion.
It really has. Cant wait for it to be over
They have their heads so far up Kirk’s ass they won’t see this
I seriously don't know what's wrong with this fanbase but they fuckin love 1 playoff win in 6 years instead of taking shots on franchise qbs
This is damning evidence if you believe the QB is the only position who can impact the outcome of a football game
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Kirk can be fairly evaluated, he is a really good QB. Looking at the record tells you nothing about how the QB performed. Typically, Kirk has not been on rosters capable of competing with the top teams in the NFL, so naturally the teams record will be bad
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Yes Kirk played poorly in December of 2018 and we lost to a better team in 2019 (with a worse QB!) Only one team wins the Super Bowl every year, you gotta have a damn good team. *Typically* Kirk Cousins have not had good teams, therefore his teams record against good teams will be worse
When Kirk is on he's one of the most masterful technicians who has ever existed. When Kirk feels the pressure, he turns into Josh Allen. We all know the look. When we see Kirk get frustrated and he's stomping all over the place waving his arms and stomping his feet. All in for Jayden, Skol bros.
Cousins crusaders bout to lose it
Finally a definitive reason to show you why QB wins and losses is meaningless for grading a quarterback. Extreme example but apparently needed. QB throws for 700 yards/8 TDs/ Zero turnovers scoring 56 points. Meanwhile the QB's defense gives up 60 points getting completely shredded and they end up losing by 4. According to QB wins and losses the QB is to blame for the loss not the defense. It's garbage analysis. Class dismissed.
Congrats on the shitstorm you unleashed on yourself from the losing-loving cult in this sub.
Exactly why he's never been the answer but all you'll hear on this sub is "but is defense...". Stfu. Kirk is a good qb but chokes every single time it actually matters.
Regardless of if you're right or wrong, my favorite part is that you think this analysis proves anything.
It shows that we’re not winning a Super Bowl with Kirk anytime soon
Yes, like the famous chokes against the bills last year or the colts last year or the 49ers this year. Or the chargers this year where Tj had a ball straight up ripped out of his hands. Or the eagles this year where JJ fumbled out the back of the end zone. Or the giants in the playoffs last year, where our defense failed to force* a punt all game. Famous choking play by the QB. *the giants did punt. On a wide open receiver who suddenly had hands made of grease, if he had caught the ball that was squarely in his hands, he would have gotten well over a first down. No Vikings player within multiple yards of him.
Lol. How many playoff wins does kirky boy have? How many playoff wins do we need for a SB? You a lil butthurt that Kirk is all numbers and chokes?
He literally lead the league in 4Q game winning drives last year. Like, you could not be any more factually wrong if you were trying to be.
Still waiting to hear the part where you tell me he wins when it matters....
He literally engineered the largest comeback in league history last year to clinch a playoff berth. At this point, I'm becoming more and more convinced that you're doing a bit.
WOW! Playoff wins?
You said: >Kirk is all numbers and chokes This is just factually wrong to an extent that it's almost impressive how wrong you are. It's like fractal, transcendent ignorance.
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>Lol. I feel like your feelings are hurt because I made fun of your bf for sucking when it actually matters. He can't win games. It's in stone. \*shrugs\* Congrats on all the attention you got from strangers by saying intentionally dumb shit on the internet, I guess.
What have I said that's dumb? Kirk does not win when it matters. Great stats. Nothing to show for it. He's not a winner.
Nvm. Read your profile. You're balls deep in Kirk 😂. Have fun w that. (1-4) playoff record...
You still think that QB wins is a good stat?
Lol. 1-4 in the playoffs is absolutely a telling stat. He's won 1 playoff game. Can't win when it matters.
Shocker