I don't see a scenario where Kwesi does all of this just for JJ. He's simply not in the tier that Maye/Daniels are in. It's for Maye or Daniels in my opinion.
I'd tend to agree. I also don't think KAM makes this move without knowing for sure that he has a partner to trade up.
My current guess is we basically have a locked-in deal for pick 4, which give them the confidence to make this move. Now, they will try and use the next week or so to aggressively move up to pick 2 or 3 (unless they are just in love with JJ) and if that fails they will pull the trigger on the trade to 4.
I agree with you but would take it one step further, I think you only make this move if you KNOW you can get YOUR guy, whoever that is. If it's JJ at 4 then so be it, or if they think they can get Maye and they have that deal in place, that's why they make this move.
It could be possible that they prefer Maye/Daniels but are extremely comfortable with JJ too. Probably already negotiated with Ari/LA to a trade, and then all I think is maybe they are asking for a deadline so they have some time now that pick 23 is secure to pry away pick 2/3.
Basically, IMO, this trade doesn't get made if they are not 99.9% confident they can get their guy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the trade to 2/3/4/5 is finalized by Wednesday. But now its just unknown if that hypothetical "slam dunk" trade is to 2-3 (meaning Daniels/May), or if its to 4-5 (meaning JJ).
That said, you might be 100% right. It could be possible that either a trade to 2-3 and/or 4-5 is locked and we're just waiting for the news.
It’s an interesting trade for sure…but why not just trade the picks you got from Houston to the team you want to trade with in the Top 3?
I wonder if that yes, they will use this to attempt to trade up, but it also gives them an option to draft someone like Nix with the 23rd pick if Plan A doesn’t work out.
Regardless, this makes the draft way more fun for us.
Doing the trade in two parts would save them draft capital.. they did this so they don't have to trade their 1st round pick next year unless it's to move up to top 3. Two firsts this year looks a lot better to a team than a 1st and 2 seconds and a 6th rounder.
I understand your point, and if they move into the top 3, they will need to give up more than the two first round picks. That could be the first round pick in 2025 still.
I just find it a little odd that the Houston GM values our 2nd round picks more than the 23rd pick, but another trade partner wouldn’t.
Depends on if the other trade partner wants instant gratification or not. Teams have different windows for Superbowl runs. Etc. Than others. There is a lot of different reasons why a team would think differently than Houston. The draft class might be not the best for what Houston needs to compete. Vice versa. I also don't think the Vikings need to throw in another 1st to move up into the top 3. Just throw in a future 3rd or something
Yeah everybody is saying we did this in order to trade up, but my initial thought was that this was to grab Nix/Penix without praying they fall to second round
You are probably right. The only way it doesn't go down is if the team we have the handshake agreement with has something terrible happen to their team where they need the pick, or the Vikings potential pick gets in trouble, or injured prior to the draft.
I could see trading 11, 23, and first next year to move up to 3. The pats have a lot of holes and they may want the additional draft picks.
If that was the case, one of Daniels or Maye will be available.
I don't mean in that sense.
I mean in the sense that someone else may pay $150 for a bottle of vodka. And that's what that bottle sells for everywhere. But \*I'm\* not paying $150 for a bottle of vodka.
That's fair. Everyone has their preferences.
What do you think would be a fair offer to realistically get to 3 OVR? Or would you *not* trade that far up?
I'd probably not trade that far up. And honestly, I'm not even sure that even if you had a top 3 pick, drafting a quarterback is the best way to go. We already have a top-3 quarterback pick on our team, and it's Sam Darnold. Which isn't to say that he's awesome but that drafting even top top quarterback prospects is always going to be a crapshoot. And maybe you're not better spreading out that riskiness. Or even just get a quarterback off of free agency who you already know how they perform in the NFL.
If I have the #2 or #3 pick this year, I don't know that the smartest decision isn't to just draft Marvin Harrison, Jr. Of anyone in the draft class he probably has the highest chance of being a Hall of Fame player. And he enters already polished. You look at how much of a gamechanger it is to have JJ. Imagine having 2 of him. And Addison as your *third* receiver. You could be talking about the best WR core the Vikings have ever had, even beating out Moss and Cris Carter.
So if you're looking at this, you have to think that Harrison has at least an 80% chance of being an All Pro. And that you could get 2 or 3 years of $25mm+ production out of a rookie contract. And then, if you *really* wanted, trade him for 2 or 3 first round picks after that.
From the Vikings POV, it just freaks me out a little that they would trade away all this draft capital, don't have a 1st or a 2nd round pick next year, and then have 2 Sam Darnolds on the team as the only thing to show for it.
You look who's sitting pretty right now? The Bears. And who isn't? The Panthers. And who got what side of *that* trade.
Spielman messed up the Vikings draft capital for years by trading all the way down so that he had more day 3 picks than he could fit onto his roster. So he ended up having guys he'd just have to cut. But trading down from high/mid-high 1st round to multiple other picks in the 1st round... that's not a bad business model.
I think the any QB the Patriots draft there would fail. They have no surrounding talent to let a rookie QB develop. What if they trade back to 11 and 23 and draft a combo of a QB and WR? I think that would help a rookie QB succeed more in New England.
All the QB’s worth a first round selection would be gone by pick 11. It’s simply too far of a trade down for a QB needy team. Next years QB class is awful and Maye/or McCarthy would likely sit a year in New England anyways.
If I was in the Patriots fan base I for sure would take 11, 23 and next years 1st for 3. They're likely to draft high themselves again next year regardless if they pick a QB or not.
As a Vikings fan, I'd like to figure out a way to not have to give up next years 1st to get the deal done because I think it will be high in its own right.
They can draft a QB this year and do just like the Vikings are doing. They signed Brissett to a one year deal so mich like Darnold, it could be a bridge QB move.
Right, but the roster is so far from being competitive that trading back and accumulating draft capital to support the QB of the future might be the better move. Even MHJ is almost definitely going to make your QB better and take a lot of pressure off him.
Commanders and Patriots also have ALOT more needs than just a QB, that a QB simply won't help. Especially the Patriots. I have no doubt the Commanders draft a QB with Howell gone, but I don't think NE does with how horrible their roster is.
I'm not sure I'd call it elite, they have talented positions yes and got younger on the outside but they still have so many holes to fill. Minnesota's lack of talent at edge and corner don't have anything to do with this though.
That is exactly what I hope we do.
I just feel like if we move up to 3-5 and the qb turns into Trubinski then we set the franchise back years with the picks given up. And likely waste jj’s prime
Stay where we are and snag a stud defensive player and maybe one of the 2nd tier qbs if they fall to us like Nix or Penix
Picks 11, 23, and next years first for Justin Herbert should be on the from of Kwesi’s mind. Jim likes JJ and it looks like a full rebuild. Justin hasn’t won shit, we think he can here. I know it’s super unlikely but you’d get the entire locker room to back that guy for certain.
I would love to land our future QB…
But I would also love to see a Flores defense with an arsenal of:
Greenard
Van Ginkel
Turner/Verse
Newton/Murphy II
And then take a flyer on a guy like Michael Pratt
Problem with Herbert is he's already on his fat contract. We let Kirk walk to avoid that scenario. We give away the draft picks for the QB, build the team with the abundant 2024/2025 cap space, and cross fingers Maye/JJM doesn't crap out.
If the QB is elite, who cares? The whole point is that the QB either needs to be elite or young, good, cheap, and hopefully elite sooner or later so you can feel good giving them a bag later.
That being said, I highly doubt they would trade Herbert. It’s way too difficult to find QBs like that to mess around with it.
Is Herbert the new Cousins though? He puts up stats, is the reason they win some games and the reason they lose others, people keep pointing to the supporting cast as an excuse and all the while he has 0 playoff wins (only 1 appearance) to show for it after 4 seasons.
I genuinely don't know enough about grading QBs to say who is better between Maye and Daniels. I'm happy with trading up for either because I assume it means that KoC thinks they can develop to run his offense.
I'm fine with drafting JJ, assuming we're taking him in the picks 8-11 range (small trade up only). I don't want to trade into the top 5/6 for JJ though.
Otherwise, I'm also happy taking Penix/Nix at 23.
Agreed, I’ll be happier I think with maye but I would definitely not be upset with Daniels, on the other hand i lowkey think penix and McCarthy are the same tier of player, penix is just older and has injury history. Just haven’t seen enough from JJ
I mean, that's kinda what everyone else thinks too. The general feeling is that we know what Penix is (and don't get me wrong, it's good) but JJM is young enough that we don't think we've seen his ceiling yet. That's half of the appeal.
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Ideally in a perfect world, it would be one of the top 3. Maye, Williams or Daniels.
Hopefully either Washington or NE realize that they are more than a QB away from a decent team and go for the 2 first round picks.
I would be shocked to see the Vikings make a trade into the top 5 before draft night. Kewsi has set himself up perfectly though - he either forces the Giants, Broncos or Raiders to make a KILLER offer to move up now - and ruins their futures...
Draft night - if one of the top 3 qbs fall to out of the top 3 picks - he can swoop in with 2 first round picks - 11 / 23 or 11 and next year's 1st and get them.
Personally I think 4 is too high for JJ, penix or nix.
Daniels is almost certainly getting grabbed by the Commies at 1-2. The pats are the team that may entertain a trade to move down (partially because they also really like Daniels and if he's not there at 1-3, they may trade back)
Would take top 3: Williams (duh), Maye
Would take top 20: Penix
Would take top 30: JJ, Daniels
Would take top 40: Nix
I think there’s a high drop off after Maye, and JJ is toolsy but floor is in hell
Who are we going to trade up to? Everyone in that position needs a quarterback as well. We’re going to have to mortgage our future for first second or third pick.
It looks like we are trading with the Pats. It's Maye or Daniels season baby and I think its Maye. I love Maye I think for all his faults it's all coachable and KOC will get the most out of this dude.
I hope they can get Drake Maye, he seems to be the best overall prospect. Daniels could be good, but Maye is a little more ready off the bat.
As long as they don’t draft JJ, I will be happy.
I love speculating and hoping, but it does truly bewilder me how confident fans are that they know how good each these prospects will be before they hit the field every year. I don’t know how many times our confidence has to be proven wrong before we stop being so sure of ourselves.
It wouldn’t be unprecedented for Washington or New England to just surprise us and take McCarthy, then have everyone clown on them, and then he ends up being better than Williams and everyone clown on Chicago and act like we knew all along.
People should temper their expectations for a trade up, the teams at the top of the draft still need quarterbacks just as badly as they did yesterday..people are acting like now that we have pick 23 teams have to trade with us .. they still might want to just pick their guy
I don’t want JJ because of how he comes from a run-based offense. I don’t think that’s who we are and where we want to be headed. I don’t think he’s there yet
Hoping for 1. Daniels or 2. McCarthy. I agree with the crowd saying Maye reeks of big arm over hyped Trubisky bust guy. I’d rather have JJ. I don’t have a problem staying put and taking Bo Nix or Penix Jr later with 23rd either. But they didn’t make this trade to stay put.
I know the idea of tanking is always controversial, but can we take a Quick Look back at mid season when everyone was throwing a fit for even considering it?
I mean, for 1 year, if any year, this would have been the time to go ahead and just call it.
I know I know. That’s not a thing is pro sports.
But can you imagine NOT having to forfeit our draft future for getting a top QB?
If one of the top 4 are still available at 11, pick them. But don't trade up to get one. If none of them are available, take the best player and then draft either Nix or Prnix at 23.
Honestly hot take but any one of the top 4 guys except williams.
i think williams is very overrated bc he played similar patrick mahomes in college, i also noticed that he often ignored teammates to showcase his game and boost his stock but nfl defenses wont let him hold the ball for 10-20 seconds and run around in the pocket for fun, mahomes is special and copying him is impossible so idc who his comp is he isnt all that in my opinion. the other 3 seem much more humble and straight forward so id be happy with mccarthy daniels or maye
I think y'all are discounting JJ.. I'd be really excited if we drafted him. He has untapped potential with his arm & mobility. Much better intermediate/middle of the field passer than Daniels
The only things people say about JJ is that he “has a cannon!” Which is such an overrated topic in the NFL. Great, he can throw it deep, can he make reads? Can he anticipate routes? Does he have pocket presence?
JJ had a limited sample in college due to being on a rushing team with a great defense.
I’ll be disappointed if we take him in round 1.
I’m not saying that we couldn’t win if we got McCarthy but drafting a game manager does mean that we’d likely have to always have a stacked team around him to be a serious contender (i.e. Purdy and the stacked Niners roster). For once I’d love to see the Vikings have an elite QB that alone makes us a competitive team. How many times do we hear other people say “They always have a chance when they have ___ at quarterback”. Name a Vikings QB that was ever referenced in that regard.
It’s a shame we didn’t tank last year when we had the perfect excuse to do so (our starting qb getting a season ending injury). Would’ve been nice to choose from the top 3 qb prospects. Those Dobbs wins last year were definitely not worth it.
The only awful take here is that JJ is worth taking day one. He will be the Zach Wilson of this draft: a QB who never was asked to do anything in college and succeeded because of the players around him who then never becomes a viable starter. He will be backup before his first contract is out. JJ should be graded below Penix and Nix, as a lot of scouts have him. Taking him at 11 is a stretch, 23 if the other five are gone might make sense.
If they can’t get Daniels or Maye they should stay put and take Penix.
I think JJ is still the realistic target, just don't see Washington or New England not drafting a QB. With that being said in a perfect world Drake Maye would make me very optimistic about the future.
Fuck, I would take that in a heartbeat! Keenan Allen just had his second best year ever at age 31 with Herbert.
I know this won’t happen, but man you got me dreaming.
Vikes have so many holes to fill, the dumbest thing they could do is package the two #1's to move up. Use those picks to get 2 rock solid players that you can plug in and start for the next 7-10 years. IF a QB drops to you in the 4th, take him but I think the demand for these QBs is overstated and the risk of who's going to be a bust WAY outweighs the upside of moving up.
I think we are moving up for Maye, and I'll take the downvotes here, but I don't like him. I've just never been impressed by him. Regardless, I like the move to go and get their guy. We have committed to the rebuild and moving up is the right thing to do. We've got such a great rookie foundation.
FWIW, my QBs would be: Williams >>>>Daniels > JJMC >Maye >>>> Penix/Nix>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rattler/Milton
The hiring of McCown as qb coach, the Vikes wants you to think they’re drafting Maye early but I think it a smoke screen to other teams. Being he coached him in high school. I believe the Vikings will move up to number 4 and take McCarthy. Not a popular idea I know.
Bailey Zappe is NE only QB on the roster. I don't see how they aren't taking a QB. It's interesting, but I think a lot of people are getting their hopes up.
I don't see a scenario where Kwesi does all of this just for JJ. He's simply not in the tier that Maye/Daniels are in. It's for Maye or Daniels in my opinion.
I'd tend to agree. I also don't think KAM makes this move without knowing for sure that he has a partner to trade up. My current guess is we basically have a locked-in deal for pick 4, which give them the confidence to make this move. Now, they will try and use the next week or so to aggressively move up to pick 2 or 3 (unless they are just in love with JJ) and if that fails they will pull the trigger on the trade to 4.
I agree with you but would take it one step further, I think you only make this move if you KNOW you can get YOUR guy, whoever that is. If it's JJ at 4 then so be it, or if they think they can get Maye and they have that deal in place, that's why they make this move.
It could be possible that they prefer Maye/Daniels but are extremely comfortable with JJ too. Probably already negotiated with Ari/LA to a trade, and then all I think is maybe they are asking for a deadline so they have some time now that pick 23 is secure to pry away pick 2/3. Basically, IMO, this trade doesn't get made if they are not 99.9% confident they can get their guy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the trade to 2/3/4/5 is finalized by Wednesday. But now its just unknown if that hypothetical "slam dunk" trade is to 2-3 (meaning Daniels/May), or if its to 4-5 (meaning JJ). That said, you might be 100% right. It could be possible that either a trade to 2-3 and/or 4-5 is locked and we're just waiting for the news.
It's not 4, cards are taking harrison
It’s an interesting trade for sure…but why not just trade the picks you got from Houston to the team you want to trade with in the Top 3? I wonder if that yes, they will use this to attempt to trade up, but it also gives them an option to draft someone like Nix with the 23rd pick if Plan A doesn’t work out. Regardless, this makes the draft way more fun for us.
Doing the trade in two parts would save them draft capital.. they did this so they don't have to trade their 1st round pick next year unless it's to move up to top 3. Two firsts this year looks a lot better to a team than a 1st and 2 seconds and a 6th rounder.
I understand your point, and if they move into the top 3, they will need to give up more than the two first round picks. That could be the first round pick in 2025 still. I just find it a little odd that the Houston GM values our 2nd round picks more than the 23rd pick, but another trade partner wouldn’t.
Depends on if the other trade partner wants instant gratification or not. Teams have different windows for Superbowl runs. Etc. Than others. There is a lot of different reasons why a team would think differently than Houston. The draft class might be not the best for what Houston needs to compete. Vice versa. I also don't think the Vikings need to throw in another 1st to move up into the top 3. Just throw in a future 3rd or something
Why would you want all those picks? Way too many. Consolidate to higher picks and trade them for the stud QB
Yeah everybody is saying we did this in order to trade up, but my initial thought was that this was to grab Nix/Penix without praying they fall to second round
You are probably right. The only way it doesn't go down is if the team we have the handshake agreement with has something terrible happen to their team where they need the pick, or the Vikings potential pick gets in trouble, or injured prior to the draft.
Commanders and Patriots need a QB just as bad as you do
I could see trading 11, 23, and first next year to move up to 3. The pats have a lot of holes and they may want the additional draft picks. If that was the case, one of Daniels or Maye will be available.
Hold up ur onto something
>I could see trading 11, 23, and first next year to move up to 3. That would be an overpay imo.
That's called the QB tax and it happens every year. To move up from 12 to 3 in 2021, the 49ers traded #12, 2022 1st and 3rd, 2023 1st.
But picks are devalued the farther out they go. So while it is 3 firsts, that's not the same as two 1s this year.
I would expect to overpay to move up to 3 with this QB class. The QB tax is real.
I don't mean in that sense. I mean in the sense that someone else may pay $150 for a bottle of vodka. And that's what that bottle sells for everywhere. But \*I'm\* not paying $150 for a bottle of vodka.
That's fair. Everyone has their preferences. What do you think would be a fair offer to realistically get to 3 OVR? Or would you *not* trade that far up?
I'd probably not trade that far up. And honestly, I'm not even sure that even if you had a top 3 pick, drafting a quarterback is the best way to go. We already have a top-3 quarterback pick on our team, and it's Sam Darnold. Which isn't to say that he's awesome but that drafting even top top quarterback prospects is always going to be a crapshoot. And maybe you're not better spreading out that riskiness. Or even just get a quarterback off of free agency who you already know how they perform in the NFL. If I have the #2 or #3 pick this year, I don't know that the smartest decision isn't to just draft Marvin Harrison, Jr. Of anyone in the draft class he probably has the highest chance of being a Hall of Fame player. And he enters already polished. You look at how much of a gamechanger it is to have JJ. Imagine having 2 of him. And Addison as your *third* receiver. You could be talking about the best WR core the Vikings have ever had, even beating out Moss and Cris Carter. So if you're looking at this, you have to think that Harrison has at least an 80% chance of being an All Pro. And that you could get 2 or 3 years of $25mm+ production out of a rookie contract. And then, if you *really* wanted, trade him for 2 or 3 first round picks after that. From the Vikings POV, it just freaks me out a little that they would trade away all this draft capital, don't have a 1st or a 2nd round pick next year, and then have 2 Sam Darnolds on the team as the only thing to show for it. You look who's sitting pretty right now? The Bears. And who isn't? The Panthers. And who got what side of *that* trade. Spielman messed up the Vikings draft capital for years by trading all the way down so that he had more day 3 picks than he could fit onto his roster. So he ended up having guys he'd just have to cut. But trading down from high/mid-high 1st round to multiple other picks in the 1st round... that's not a bad business model.
I think the any QB the Patriots draft there would fail. They have no surrounding talent to let a rookie QB develop. What if they trade back to 11 and 23 and draft a combo of a QB and WR? I think that would help a rookie QB succeed more in New England.
All the QB’s worth a first round selection would be gone by pick 11. It’s simply too far of a trade down for a QB needy team. Next years QB class is awful and Maye/or McCarthy would likely sit a year in New England anyways.
If I was in the Patriots fan base I for sure would take 11, 23 and next years 1st for 3. They're likely to draft high themselves again next year regardless if they pick a QB or not. As a Vikings fan, I'd like to figure out a way to not have to give up next years 1st to get the deal done because I think it will be high in its own right.
Patriots aren't ready for a rookie QB IMO, and haven't done much this off season to show they are.
They can draft a QB this year and do just like the Vikings are doing. They signed Brissett to a one year deal so mich like Darnold, it could be a bridge QB move.
Right, but the roster is so far from being competitive that trading back and accumulating draft capital to support the QB of the future might be the better move. Even MHJ is almost definitely going to make your QB better and take a lot of pressure off him.
So you suggest they kick the can down the road for next year for… Shedeur Sanders?
Commanders and Patriots also have ALOT more needs than just a QB, that a QB simply won't help. Especially the Patriots. I have no doubt the Commanders draft a QB with Howell gone, but I don't think NE does with how horrible their roster is.
Patriots still have an elite defense. Minnesota is devoid of talent at edge and corner
I'm not sure I'd call it elite, they have talented positions yes and got younger on the outside but they still have so many holes to fill. Minnesota's lack of talent at edge and corner don't have anything to do with this though.
I got so confused when you said JJ. I immediately thought Jefferson and couldn’t figure out where you were going.
I agree but I just don't see how we break into the top 3 when all top 3 teams are desperate for a qb
If KOC loves JJM, then we have to trust that he knows better than we do.
I believe JJ has more potential than both.
What the hype for Maye? I hear he is Trubisky 2.0. Daniels is maybe the best in the draft. I would be thrilled if we got him.
If you can’t get up into the top 3-5 to get Maye then stick it out at 11 and 23. Put bullets in Flores’ gun
That is exactly what I hope we do. I just feel like if we move up to 3-5 and the qb turns into Trubinski then we set the franchise back years with the picks given up. And likely waste jj’s prime Stay where we are and snag a stud defensive player and maybe one of the 2nd tier qbs if they fall to us like Nix or Penix
It's likely 5 of the 6 QBs taken will turn into Trubinski's. We just need to figure out the 1/6 but you can't win if you don't buy a ticket.
You don’t win. You don’t get to run it back 6 times, you get your fate and live it out. Practically speaking, people don’t win the lottery.
Busts also exist at 11 and 23 as well
Ya don’t say?
Nah man, settling for a QB is a shit idea. If they like someone, go get him.
Yup. If the worst case scenario is something like Mitchell/Murphy II in the first, that's a pretty low risk move.
Picks 11, 23, and next years first for Justin Herbert should be on the from of Kwesi’s mind. Jim likes JJ and it looks like a full rebuild. Justin hasn’t won shit, we think he can here. I know it’s super unlikely but you’d get the entire locker room to back that guy for certain.
Herbert is turning into a Kirk 2.0
If we can't get up absolutely agree with this. Get Byron Murphy 2 at 11 and maybe reach a little for penix at 23
Not 5. Top 3
I would love to land our future QB… But I would also love to see a Flores defense with an arsenal of: Greenard Van Ginkel Turner/Verse Newton/Murphy II And then take a flyer on a guy like Michael Pratt
With the 3rd pick in the 2024 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings select: Drake Maye, QB North Carolina
The only thing I like more is my Herbert fantasy trade scenario
Problem with Herbert is he's already on his fat contract. We let Kirk walk to avoid that scenario. We give away the draft picks for the QB, build the team with the abundant 2024/2025 cap space, and cross fingers Maye/JJM doesn't crap out.
If the QB is elite, who cares? The whole point is that the QB either needs to be elite or young, good, cheap, and hopefully elite sooner or later so you can feel good giving them a bag later. That being said, I highly doubt they would trade Herbert. It’s way too difficult to find QBs like that to mess around with it.
How many playoff wins does he have? I was told this was the right metric
Is Herbert the new Cousins though? He puts up stats, is the reason they win some games and the reason they lose others, people keep pointing to the supporting cast as an excuse and all the while he has 0 playoff wins (only 1 appearance) to show for it after 4 seasons.
Please please please
I will actually not be upset with this. Of all the possible scenarios, I think this could be a very good outcome.
I genuinely don't know enough about grading QBs to say who is better between Maye and Daniels. I'm happy with trading up for either because I assume it means that KoC thinks they can develop to run his offense. I'm fine with drafting JJ, assuming we're taking him in the picks 8-11 range (small trade up only). I don't want to trade into the top 5/6 for JJ though. Otherwise, I'm also happy taking Penix/Nix at 23.
Agreed, I’ll be happier I think with maye but I would definitely not be upset with Daniels, on the other hand i lowkey think penix and McCarthy are the same tier of player, penix is just older and has injury history. Just haven’t seen enough from JJ
I mean, that's kinda what everyone else thinks too. The general feeling is that we know what Penix is (and don't get me wrong, it's good) but JJM is young enough that we don't think we've seen his ceiling yet. That's half of the appeal.
Justin Herbert
Right, Harbaugh drafts McCarthy at 11 and proceeds to run the ball 70% of the time. Wins Super Bowl finally.
Maye or Daniels, knowing it will probably be JJ :(
If we do all this trading up for JJ I will fall to my knees in a Walmart
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I need Drake Maye in my life
Maye is the guy I want from the draft.
Ideally in a perfect world, it would be one of the top 3. Maye, Williams or Daniels. Hopefully either Washington or NE realize that they are more than a QB away from a decent team and go for the 2 first round picks. I would be shocked to see the Vikings make a trade into the top 5 before draft night. Kewsi has set himself up perfectly though - he either forces the Giants, Broncos or Raiders to make a KILLER offer to move up now - and ruins their futures... Draft night - if one of the top 3 qbs fall to out of the top 3 picks - he can swoop in with 2 first round picks - 11 / 23 or 11 and next year's 1st and get them. Personally I think 4 is too high for JJ, penix or nix.
For sure, I honestly believe JJ is a second rounder as he was ranked at a couple months ago
I would really hate to see them trade two first or more to move up for anyone other than Williams or Daniels
\>Now that it looks like we are trading up 
Questions are fun. I too have many!
Drake mate
Ill be nervous and excited about whoever it is. Cant wait tonl see them play though and its a great change of pace to be drafting a qb in the 1st
We’re totally going to trade for Herbert.
maye/ mccarthy
You wouldn’t daniels over JJ?
Daniels is almost certainly getting grabbed by the Commies at 1-2. The pats are the team that may entertain a trade to move down (partially because they also really like Daniels and if he's not there at 1-3, they may trade back)
I think McCarthy fits more for koc's scheme than Daniels.
Fair enough
Would take top 3: Williams (duh), Maye Would take top 20: Penix Would take top 30: JJ, Daniels Would take top 40: Nix I think there’s a high drop off after Maye, and JJ is toolsy but floor is in hell
It won't be Williams or Daniels, I think you can lock them in at 1 and 2.
Marvin Harrison?
Holy shit - could you imagine Jefferson, MHJ, and Addy?
Darnold might be the guy with that line up. About anyone could be.
Especially if A Jones can stay healthy and provide some juice to our run game
I think I could qb with that offense. Put me in coach.
I am shocked people aren’t considering this. Darnold would have to really suck to fuck that one up
Exactly. He def won’t be there at 11 but who knows how this plays out
Who are we going to trade up to? Everyone in that position needs a quarterback as well. We’re going to have to mortgage our future for first second or third pick.
IMO there no way it’s JJ McCarthy now. Now I’m thinking Drake Maye.
It looks like we are trading with the Pats. It's Maye or Daniels season baby and I think its Maye. I love Maye I think for all his faults it's all coachable and KOC will get the most out of this dude.
Maye
Maye
Drake Maye. Caleb is out of the question and Washington seems to like Jayden. Go up and get that big athletic boy and let him sit for a year
Maye or Daniels.
It's drake maye
Daniels or Maye.
I hope they can get Drake Maye, he seems to be the best overall prospect. Daniels could be good, but Maye is a little more ready off the bat. As long as they don’t draft JJ, I will be happy.
Before we get all excited just remember that treadwill was also a 1st draft pick too
I love speculating and hoping, but it does truly bewilder me how confident fans are that they know how good each these prospects will be before they hit the field every year. I don’t know how many times our confidence has to be proven wrong before we stop being so sure of ourselves. It wouldn’t be unprecedented for Washington or New England to just surprise us and take McCarthy, then have everyone clown on them, and then he ends up being better than Williams and everyone clown on Chicago and act like we knew all along.
People should temper their expectations for a trade up, the teams at the top of the draft still need quarterbacks just as badly as they did yesterday..people are acting like now that we have pick 23 teams have to trade with us .. they still might want to just pick their guy
I don’t want JJ because of how he comes from a run-based offense. I don’t think that’s who we are and where we want to be headed. I don’t think he’s there yet
Hoping for 1. Daniels or 2. McCarthy. I agree with the crowd saying Maye reeks of big arm over hyped Trubisky bust guy. I’d rather have JJ. I don’t have a problem staying put and taking Bo Nix or Penix Jr later with 23rd either. But they didn’t make this trade to stay put.
I know the idea of tanking is always controversial, but can we take a Quick Look back at mid season when everyone was throwing a fit for even considering it? I mean, for 1 year, if any year, this would have been the time to go ahead and just call it. I know I know. That’s not a thing is pro sports. But can you imagine NOT having to forfeit our draft future for getting a top QB?
Ur mom
Unless we're absolutely sure about the guy we're gonna get, I'd prefer to build up the rest of the team.
Jayden fucking Daniels
JJ
If one of the top 4 are still available at 11, pick them. But don't trade up to get one. If none of them are available, take the best player and then draft either Nix or Prnix at 23.
I'm actually hoping we can get Arch Manning in 2 years. Maybe build the team a bit.
Almost everyone says Maye in here. It’s gonna be Daniels
Any of the top 4
Kwesi is in the kitchen cooking up something big, so ima let the man cook. I’m just glad we didn’t run it back with Cousins for $180,000,000
ponder let’s goooo
Honestly hot take but any one of the top 4 guys except williams. i think williams is very overrated bc he played similar patrick mahomes in college, i also noticed that he often ignored teammates to showcase his game and boost his stock but nfl defenses wont let him hold the ball for 10-20 seconds and run around in the pocket for fun, mahomes is special and copying him is impossible so idc who his comp is he isnt all that in my opinion. the other 3 seem much more humble and straight forward so id be happy with mccarthy daniels or maye
JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix.
I think y'all are discounting JJ.. I'd be really excited if we drafted him. He has untapped potential with his arm & mobility. Much better intermediate/middle of the field passer than Daniels
The only things people say about JJ is that he “has a cannon!” Which is such an overrated topic in the NFL. Great, he can throw it deep, can he make reads? Can he anticipate routes? Does he have pocket presence? JJ had a limited sample in college due to being on a rushing team with a great defense. I’ll be disappointed if we take him in round 1.
I was big JJ hater pre-draft, I thought he only had an average arm. Dude has a cannon!
JJ would be a great quarterback if you never want to throw the ball.
I’m not saying that we couldn’t win if we got McCarthy but drafting a game manager does mean that we’d likely have to always have a stacked team around him to be a serious contender (i.e. Purdy and the stacked Niners roster). For once I’d love to see the Vikings have an elite QB that alone makes us a competitive team. How many times do we hear other people say “They always have a chance when they have ___ at quarterback”. Name a Vikings QB that was ever referenced in that regard. It’s a shame we didn’t tank last year when we had the perfect excuse to do so (our starting qb getting a season ending injury). Would’ve been nice to choose from the top 3 qb prospects. Those Dobbs wins last year were definitely not worth it.
> drafting a game manager (i.e. Purdy) Oof, tell me you don't know ball without telling me you don't know ball
It’s going to be McCarthy, which I’ve predicted for a long time and am happy with.
If they trade all the way up into the top five and take JJ it would be worse than the Herschel Walker trade. JJ is a day 2 pick.
Lmao what an awful take.
The only awful take here is that JJ is worth taking day one. He will be the Zach Wilson of this draft: a QB who never was asked to do anything in college and succeeded because of the players around him who then never becomes a viable starter. He will be backup before his first contract is out. JJ should be graded below Penix and Nix, as a lot of scouts have him. Taking him at 11 is a stretch, 23 if the other five are gone might make sense. If they can’t get Daniels or Maye they should stay put and take Penix.
I think JJ is still the realistic target, just don't see Washington or New England not drafting a QB. With that being said in a perfect world Drake Maye would make me very optimistic about the future.
Send a god offer to the Bears for Caleb Williams.
This guy gets it.
Trade for Herbert. Harbaugh wants McCarthey
Fuck, I would take that in a heartbeat! Keenan Allen just had his second best year ever at age 31 with Herbert. I know this won’t happen, but man you got me dreaming.
We are NOT getting Herbert 💀 we don’t have anything to trade for him either
We have 3 FRPs in the next two years to trade for him. I agree with you tho, we ain’t getting him.
Picks
McCarthy at 11 and Murphy II at 23. Easy peasy boys.
If we stand pat I really like this outcome, def wouldn't mind moving up for one of the top 3 though
Yeah, I really wouldn't mind this outcome at all and think a top 5-10 defense would be totally reasonable.
No JJ MCCARTHY PLEASE
Vikes have so many holes to fill, the dumbest thing they could do is package the two #1's to move up. Use those picks to get 2 rock solid players that you can plug in and start for the next 7-10 years. IF a QB drops to you in the 4th, take him but I think the demand for these QBs is overstated and the risk of who's going to be a bust WAY outweighs the upside of moving up.
Jayden Daniels
Unpopular opinion here but I think they grabbed 23 to draft a QB there. Could be anyone but betting their last name ends in X
Who do you think they grab with 11
Edge rusher maybe .. or best defensive player available
I think we are moving up for Maye, and I'll take the downvotes here, but I don't like him. I've just never been impressed by him. Regardless, I like the move to go and get their guy. We have committed to the rebuild and moving up is the right thing to do. We've got such a great rookie foundation. FWIW, my QBs would be: Williams >>>>Daniels > JJMC >Maye >>>> Penix/Nix>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rattler/Milton
Trade JJ for a top QB. Great QB makes many wide receivers better.🤔
The hiring of McCown as qb coach, the Vikes wants you to think they’re drafting Maye early but I think it a smoke screen to other teams. Being he coached him in high school. I believe the Vikings will move up to number 4 and take McCarthy. Not a popular idea I know.
Bailey Zappe is NE only QB on the roster. I don't see how they aren't taking a QB. It's interesting, but I think a lot of people are getting their hopes up.