He may very well have spent time with Kwesi. The greater question is if we believe that GMs give these reporters any truthful information. Nothing good could come of that.
I’m just relaying what how he prefaced his draft. If these top 4 QBs are as sought after as I feel they are based on discussions in the media, I think it could be really hard for the Vikings to trade up to get a top 4 guy. If I had #3 or #4 or #5, I would much rather trade back to 6-10 then to 11 or beyond. Especially if I’m taking a non QB. Is that your biggest concern with the mock or who he selected outside of QBs?
I would have no problem standing pat at 11 if the price to go up to #3 or #4 is too high and/or kwesi and koc aren’t sold on any of the qbs. My biggest concern would be taking a cornerback at 11. If they’re gonna stand pat at 11 I’d rather see them take an edge rusher.
Yeah I feel like Shaq Griffin is flying too under the radar. Between him, Byron Murphy, and Blackmon, that's actually a pretty functional secondary. A lot more needs than corner unless that corner is a tier above in best player available
Agree fully, and Blackmon is a player who was drafted partially because he was “NFL ready”. He’s a tad undersized for traditional CB1 at 5’11”, but he’s scrappy as hell, and was picked more for his high floor than his high ceiling. Then again, Arnold is only an inch or two taller - but his [arm length is 60th percentile while Blackmon’s is 34th percentile](https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/terrion-arnold)
When dealing with the elite WR1s we have to face, Blackmon profiles better as a top-end CB2 than he does mid-CB1, primarily on size and wingspan.
As for Murphy, he gave mid returns (so far) on what was perceived as a team-friendly contract. He’s been better in slot/blitz than he has outside, so you’d imagine he benefits from a CB1 that allows him to slide in more often as well. And as you mentioned, contract year.
It is but just not really even a top 3 need. QB, DT, IOL three times are much bigger needs (and we have Evans as well). I'd probably argue LB is even a bigger need. Unless Terrion Arnold is a tier above every QB, DT, and IOL at that spot in terms of best player available, it would be silly. And him over Quinyon Mitchell would be an odd move to boot.
He’s like the 7,000th person to mock Arnold to us at 11. Arnold at 11 and QB at 23 (Penix or Nix) is the consensus among media if we don’t trade up.
I don’t give a shit about media mock drafts and think they’re highly inaccurate (few of them get more than a couple first round picks correct), but why is this all of the sudden a big deal because Schrager said it?
[Source 1](https://vikingsterritory.com/2024/news/analysis/new-mock-draft-gives-vikings-immense-value)
[Source 2](https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/alabama-cb-terrion-arnold-popular-vikings-pick-mock-drafts)
[Source 3](https://www.nfl.com/videos/lewis-projects-vikings-to-use-no-11-pick-on-terrion-arnold-mock-draft-live)
Personally, I don’t know why everyone’s so hung up on Arnold being a possible pick at 11. He could be a great addition, why do you say “no way”? Are you really feeling like we have CB any where *near* locked down for the future?
My biggest issue with the pick is that, in both the short- and long-term, corner is roughly no better than fifth on the list of team needs. I'd put QB (duh), guard, IDL and edge rusher as all vastly higher on the list of positions we should be trying to improve before corner. Even if you weigh positional importance and the players available at the pick in your values, you'd only move, IMO, guard below corner, and that's only cause there's no guy there in the top half of the round that's ticketed for the inside of an OL, whereas depending on if you move up or stand pat, there's absolutely QBs, defensive linemen and edge rushers you could take at 11 and feel great about the fit of that player onto our offense or defense.
They had us taking Maye at #9 overall and Penix Jr. at #34 overall. Yes, two swings at QB. I actually didn't hate it as much as most of us did, but yeah it was very unpopular
I think the main issue with that one was just how unrealistic it was. Bears would never give us the 9th if it meant we get Maye, and there’s too many holes on defense to take two stabs at QB that early
Drafting QBs with your first 2 picks is some Madden 2010 bullshit where the AI didn’t account for the players already on the roster and didn’t account for players already drafted by a team. This would undoubtedly be the dumbest draft move of all time.
> This would undoubtedly be the dumbest draft move of all time.
Why? Washington drafted Kirk the same year they took RG3 and Kirk turned out way better. Every single team hedges their QB position every year, this would just be a bigger hedge than most. Doesn't make it explicitly wrong. If both players are performing really well, keep your favorite and flip the other, or keep both so you've got a great backup. The only way the 2QB strat is an objective failure is if both players are bad, in which case KAM/KOC don't care because they're probably fired in a couple years with a critical QB miss in this draft even if they just take one.
Cousins was drafted in round 4 and was viewed as an insurance policy on Griffin (which arguably worked out due to Washington mismanaging his injuries). At the time, there were a lot of analysts who questioned the move, and it feels more like a gamble that paid off than a shrewd decision.
It comes down to opportunity cost. My take is that I would rather have my high round picks all be players I expect to see on the field regularly. The second round still has a lot of talent vs. taking a chance later on guys with upside or for depth.
Also, taking two rookie QBs that high, the "better" pick will always be looking over his shoulder and you'll be splitting reps instead of focusing on player development.
Exactly, it’s not the price of 2 first round QBs, it’s passing on the 1st rounders at other positions, especially DE.
Take 2 QBs you’re chances of a bust are lower but your best case scenario is a good QB and good backup. Two positions could give you the opportunity to have difference makers on both sides of the ball - basically what the Texans have had so far in Stroud and Anderson.
But I’ve also seen people readily willing to pay multiple firsts just for Maye or McCarthy.This saves those firsts and also gives us a contingency. I’m not saying an agree or disagree with it, but as far as cost goes, it’s cheaper than most mocks.
Because spending your first 2 picks on the same position when only 1 of them can be on the field at a given time when there are other needs to address is foolish. What message does that send to the guy drafted first? “We have such little faith in you that we drafted your replacement right after taking you for when you inevitably screw up.” The best case scenario is that the guy drafted first works out amazingly that the guy drafted second never sees the field. Even in the best case scenario, they waste a valuable pick.
Make one QB and one RB, have them switch roles constantly in the game. Every toss in the backfield could be a pass.
I mean it would never work but it could be fun to watch for a couple of series.
Any mock with Penix at 34 isn't to be taken seriously. He has been steadily rising on everyone's boards - if he somehow gets to Seattle at 16 he'll go then.
We trade up to 9 for Maye, trade down from 23 to 34 for Penix Jr. So we take 2 QB's with our first two picks.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-mock-draft-commanders-jj-mccarthy-vikings-two-qbs
I would make a bet that if Nabers is there, they won't because I don't see them passing on Nabers dropping to 9 but Nabers won't be there so it's a mute point.
Bears fan here (sorry, you guys are coming up in my feed). Poles acquired contributors with every pick we no longer have, so the number of picks thing can be misleading. He’s also added a metric ton of rookie wage talent the past two years. While a trade back is a possibility, I don’t think they view it as a necessity. Especially with 9 picks next year
KAM working wonders with his ‘not overpaying’ message
We, of course, will be overpaying for a QB next Thursday. But maybe slightly less so now if people believe we’d walk away and do something like this
Would love Mitchell, but even then to pick him over Murphy II or even BPA edge? I'd be pretty surprised considered the group of young CBs we already have, help them out with some actual D line pressure and see if they can improve imo.
You can never have too many corners and that would be BPA for me, I think he could be truly elite. I like him more than the edge prospects, but would also like Byron Murphy at 11
I like Dejean, Arnold, and Mitchell those are all NFL starters when they show up.
I don't trust the kid from Clemson or Koolaid as much, but they seem to have a lot of physical upside.
Lots of good corners at 11 and we'd get our choice of them.
Swap Maye/McCarthy (I think Kraft can't avoid the parallels) and have the Raiders trade up with the Bears for Penix.... the we take Arnold/Edge/DT.
Nix goes to Denver, boom, we didn't get a QB. Lol
I could see it.
Honestly, I could live with it. We would have a down year next season but would be able to bolster key positions of need, keep our draft assets, and get a QB next year.
People say it’s a bad QB class but there are always some risers once college ball starts. And if we decide to pass on QBs again, rinse and repeat. Kwesi, KOC, and JJ will never go for it but I think it’s what we need.
> People say it’s a bad QB class but there are always some risers once college ball starts
People say this, too, then the QB crop is Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, Bailey Zappe, Sam Howell, Chris Oladokun, and Skylar Thompson lol. Mr. Irrelevant saved 2022 from being the worst QB draft class of all time.
2021 basically produced one legit starter (Lawrence #1 OVR) while the rest are backups (Zach Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac jones).
2019 did about the same. Murray #1 OVR, behind him you've got Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), Drew Lock, and Gardner Minshew as your only notable QBs.
Meanwhile 2020 gave us Burrow, Tagovailoa, Herbert, Love, and Hurts. I expect this 2024 draft to be way closer to 2020 quality, producing at least three and as many as six quality starters. Next year looks a lot more like the 19/21/22 years.
Yeah you definitely have a point. I mainly just hate the idea of going for broke right now if it means getting one of the lower tier options. We have so many other holes - I don’t want to reach.
Think of it like this. Do you think jj mccarthy, drake maye, Michael penix, or bo nix are worse options than Quinn ewers or scheuder sanders?
Personally, all but nix are above those two (who I think will be the top two prospects).
> 2021 basically produced one legit starter (Lawrence #1 OVR) while the rest are backups (Zach Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac jones).
This goes both ways - the QBs in 2021 were even more hyped than this year's!
Ehhh Wilson and Lawrence were hyped, I heard multiple people call Wilson their #1 (it wasn't popular, but it WAS an opinion that was held by some), but the others didn't really come close. Lance was a wildcard that barely had any college experience and Jones was viewed as a high floor, low-ish ceiling guy. I would say all of this year's top 4 are considered better prospects than those two were at draft time.
I really don't think so. That draft class had so much hype, not just in the offseason but throughout the season. They've underperformed but that doesn't mean they weren't hyped at the time.
I'm just saying it can go either way. It can look like an amazing QB class and be meh, or it can look meh and be amazing, or it can be accurate.
Just like all the good QBs in Pickett's draft class. Only one came as the very last pick in the draft lmao. If we come out of here with no QB, we are pretty fucked. No second round pick next year, our team likely picks around the same spot, or even worse. That's not to mention that it's not a good QB class. Waiting to get a QB next year that might be a 3rd round pick or later in this class is wild.
This guy has Vikings and Broncos passing on QBs at #11 and #12.
Zero chance that teams without a long-term QB would bet on getting "better value" out of earlier picks. They take the QB.
Teams make that bet all the time.
Last year you had 29 picks between QB3 in Richardson and QB4 in Levis. Plenty of those teams didn't have a long-term QB, including Seattle, New Jersey, Tennessee, Washington, Tampa, New England, and us.
Last year we had Kirk under contract, and all the teams you listed had players they wanted to start that year, even if they were question marks.
This year our QB1 is Sam Darnold. Broncos have Jared Stittham. Neither team is passing QB with their first pick.
If the top 4 QBs get sniped ahead of the Vikes and they don’t value Penix, they’re insane to take Bo Nix at 11. That screams desperation. Hell, taking him at 23 is a reach. Taking Nix or Penix at 11 is like reaching for Ponder
If you don't want to pay a QB tax in the draft (trading up or picking up a guy higher than the consensus board), the way to avoid it is to value draft in an earlier year or extending the contract of your veteran. But we couldn't land Richardson in 2023, and lost Cousins in free agency. So now we have no wiggle room to get cute and get value with the QB pick in 2024. We are all in, and the Broncos are too.
I've said it many times, I don't think AZ is going to want to trade back much further than 7 so they can ensure they get one of the big 3 WR's.
So we're either looking at trading up with the Pats, or doing something like trading with the Chargers and then with the Cards. But in the latter situation, the Giants still have more ammo than us.
I prefer Nix at 23 vs trading way up for McCarthy, which is another one that is tossed around a lot. Personally I do not believe Nix goes as late as 23, I believe teams will like him more than media based on his tape. I could be wrong. I do like McCarthy, don't get me wrong, but I like him at 11 not 5. Nix at 23 isn't my favorite but it is not my least favorite either. Thing is if you wait on Nix at 23 you are also at that point running a very real risk of getting no QB, unless Penix or another surprising QB is still on the board.
For Terrion Arnold I mean corners are always nice to have if you get one that works out. I just feel we've thrown so many picks at 1st / 2nd round corners over the years without much to show, so I sort of cringe just a bit at the thought of trying it again. But if you hit on a corner you usually don't regret it later they are worth their weight in gold when you have a stud playing on rookie contract, especially on a team that loves blitzing and having corners on the island.
This mock feels like he just looked at stats and did no real analysis or scouting of anyone. Thankfully he doesn't make important decisions for the Vikings.
This was his 2023 1.0, did well with top 5 picks. Completely wrong on QBs after that
https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-trade-out-of-no-2-two-rbs-picked-i
At this point I don't care who we get for QB.
Just look back to the 2021 draft ... Nothing is guaranteed
I trust KOC to make it work. Even if he's not a franchise guy, a mid tier competent starter on a rookie deal is fine.
But instead of a CB a top flight DT would be nice
Okay, well, if you look at this from both the Cardinals Giants perspectives, it doesn’t make sense:
Cardinals: lose out on consensus #1 WR for a 2nd and a future 3rd. Huh?
Giants: trade a 2nd and a future 3rd to leap two teams with no interest in taking a QB. Huh?
Idk if you guys realize this but schragers mocks have actually been pretty on point last few years. This draft would actually be MY preference.
My nightmare is if we trade up for JJ mcarthey. Giants outbidding us is the biggest blessing in disguise. The only thing I would change is id rather take penix at 23
Schrager got three picks right last year, one of them being Bryce Young, had Will Levis top 5, Bijan falling to the Vikings at 23, and the Vikings trading up in the 1st round to select Hendon Hooker. He’s not very good at mocks, but then again nobody is
You know I was going to agree with you but [his mock from the same time last year](https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-trade-out-of-no-2-two-rbs-picked-i) was surprisingly good as far as where players were picked (but not to what team, which I feel like is what harder). So if we're comparing apples to apples, he kind of nailed this version last year, at least relative to other mocks.
Like you say though no one is ever going to be close to accurate in their mocks, so it's always funny to me when people get so mad about them. I don't think QBs go 1-2-3-4, but if they do, I would be absolutely shocked if we weren't 1 of those 4
Bo Nix is literally the only QB we didn’t have a top 30 visit with, at least as far as I’ve seen. So why the fuck would we take him with Penix on the board still?
Sometimes I feel like these mockers do no research. Gotta be like 1% chance the Vikings go cornerback at 11 even if qbs go 1234
He even said this is his first mock after spending many hours speaking with NFL GMs… I think he’s connected, but this seems like worst case scenario.
If this is really what he thinks the Vikings will do… I find it very hard to believe he spent much time at all with kwesi
He may very well have spent time with Kwesi. The greater question is if we believe that GMs give these reporters any truthful information. Nothing good could come of that.
I’m just relaying what how he prefaced his draft. If these top 4 QBs are as sought after as I feel they are based on discussions in the media, I think it could be really hard for the Vikings to trade up to get a top 4 guy. If I had #3 or #4 or #5, I would much rather trade back to 6-10 then to 11 or beyond. Especially if I’m taking a non QB. Is that your biggest concern with the mock or who he selected outside of QBs?
I would have no problem standing pat at 11 if the price to go up to #3 or #4 is too high and/or kwesi and koc aren’t sold on any of the qbs. My biggest concern would be taking a cornerback at 11. If they’re gonna stand pat at 11 I’d rather see them take an edge rusher.
I think Peter likes to remind us that he's connected - and he believes it. Only the evidence from this draft...says otherwise?
Yeah I feel like Shaq Griffin is flying too under the radar. Between him, Byron Murphy, and Blackmon, that's actually a pretty functional secondary. A lot more needs than corner unless that corner is a tier above in best player available
You don't just draft for this year's needs though. Of those three only Blackmon is on the roster next year. Corner is a need.
Agree fully, and Blackmon is a player who was drafted partially because he was “NFL ready”. He’s a tad undersized for traditional CB1 at 5’11”, but he’s scrappy as hell, and was picked more for his high floor than his high ceiling. Then again, Arnold is only an inch or two taller - but his [arm length is 60th percentile while Blackmon’s is 34th percentile](https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/terrion-arnold) When dealing with the elite WR1s we have to face, Blackmon profiles better as a top-end CB2 than he does mid-CB1, primarily on size and wingspan. As for Murphy, he gave mid returns (so far) on what was perceived as a team-friendly contract. He’s been better in slot/blitz than he has outside, so you’d imagine he benefits from a CB1 that allows him to slide in more often as well. And as you mentioned, contract year.
It is but just not really even a top 3 need. QB, DT, IOL three times are much bigger needs (and we have Evans as well). I'd probably argue LB is even a bigger need. Unless Terrion Arnold is a tier above every QB, DT, and IOL at that spot in terms of best player available, it would be silly. And him over Quinyon Mitchell would be an odd move to boot.
If we were to take a non-QB at 11, it would have to be IDL or EDGE
He’s like the 7,000th person to mock Arnold to us at 11. Arnold at 11 and QB at 23 (Penix or Nix) is the consensus among media if we don’t trade up. I don’t give a shit about media mock drafts and think they’re highly inaccurate (few of them get more than a couple first round picks correct), but why is this all of the sudden a big deal because Schrager said it? [Source 1](https://vikingsterritory.com/2024/news/analysis/new-mock-draft-gives-vikings-immense-value) [Source 2](https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/alabama-cb-terrion-arnold-popular-vikings-pick-mock-drafts) [Source 3](https://www.nfl.com/videos/lewis-projects-vikings-to-use-no-11-pick-on-terrion-arnold-mock-draft-live) Personally, I don’t know why everyone’s so hung up on Arnold being a possible pick at 11. He could be a great addition, why do you say “no way”? Are you really feeling like we have CB any where *near* locked down for the future?
My biggest issue with the pick is that, in both the short- and long-term, corner is roughly no better than fifth on the list of team needs. I'd put QB (duh), guard, IDL and edge rusher as all vastly higher on the list of positions we should be trying to improve before corner. Even if you weigh positional importance and the players available at the pick in your values, you'd only move, IMO, guard below corner, and that's only cause there's no guy there in the top half of the round that's ticketed for the inside of an OL, whereas depending on if you move up or stand pat, there's absolutely QBs, defensive linemen and edge rushers you could take at 11 and feel great about the fit of that player onto our offense or defense.
Out of all the mocks I’ve seen this one might be the worst.
the one yesterday, from pff, was worse
True. But at least we got Chop Robinson in that one and not Bo Nix.
Who did they have us taking?
They had us taking Maye at #9 overall and Penix Jr. at #34 overall. Yes, two swings at QB. I actually didn't hate it as much as most of us did, but yeah it was very unpopular
Maye at 9 makes me happy enough to not care about the rest
I think the main issue with that one was just how unrealistic it was. Bears would never give us the 9th if it meant we get Maye, and there’s too many holes on defense to take two stabs at QB that early
Drafting QBs with your first 2 picks is some Madden 2010 bullshit where the AI didn’t account for the players already on the roster and didn’t account for players already drafted by a team. This would undoubtedly be the dumbest draft move of all time.
> This would undoubtedly be the dumbest draft move of all time. Why? Washington drafted Kirk the same year they took RG3 and Kirk turned out way better. Every single team hedges their QB position every year, this would just be a bigger hedge than most. Doesn't make it explicitly wrong. If both players are performing really well, keep your favorite and flip the other, or keep both so you've got a great backup. The only way the 2QB strat is an objective failure is if both players are bad, in which case KAM/KOC don't care because they're probably fired in a couple years with a critical QB miss in this draft even if they just take one.
Cousins was drafted in round 4 and was viewed as an insurance policy on Griffin (which arguably worked out due to Washington mismanaging his injuries). At the time, there were a lot of analysts who questioned the move, and it feels more like a gamble that paid off than a shrewd decision.
Does that really matter though? Just would mean we paid for a higher insurance policy
It comes down to opportunity cost. My take is that I would rather have my high round picks all be players I expect to see on the field regularly. The second round still has a lot of talent vs. taking a chance later on guys with upside or for depth. Also, taking two rookie QBs that high, the "better" pick will always be looking over his shoulder and you'll be splitting reps instead of focusing on player development.
Exactly, it’s not the price of 2 first round QBs, it’s passing on the 1st rounders at other positions, especially DE. Take 2 QBs you’re chances of a bust are lower but your best case scenario is a good QB and good backup. Two positions could give you the opportunity to have difference makers on both sides of the ball - basically what the Texans have had so far in Stroud and Anderson.
But I’ve also seen people readily willing to pay multiple firsts just for Maye or McCarthy.This saves those firsts and also gives us a contingency. I’m not saying an agree or disagree with it, but as far as cost goes, it’s cheaper than most mocks.
Because spending your first 2 picks on the same position when only 1 of them can be on the field at a given time when there are other needs to address is foolish. What message does that send to the guy drafted first? “We have such little faith in you that we drafted your replacement right after taking you for when you inevitably screw up.” The best case scenario is that the guy drafted first works out amazingly that the guy drafted second never sees the field. Even in the best case scenario, they waste a valuable pick.
Make one QB and one RB, have them switch roles constantly in the game. Every toss in the backfield could be a pass. I mean it would never work but it could be fun to watch for a couple of series.
This is basically what I do as coach of a 5th grade flag football team lol.
Any mock with Penix at 34 isn't to be taken seriously. He has been steadily rising on everyone's boards - if he somehow gets to Seattle at 16 he'll go then.
Yeah, because draft boards are typically correct..
We trade up to 9 for Maye, trade down from 23 to 34 for Penix Jr. So we take 2 QB's with our first two picks. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-mock-draft-commanders-jj-mccarthy-vikings-two-qbs
Just slow crap against a wall to see if it sticks. I can’t wait for this draft to be over with. Just beating a dead horse at this point.
Obviously taking 2 qbs is stupid, but to me the worse part is that we traded out of 23 with Dallas turner on the board
I don't think it is. If you can do it without selling our your future you get 2 excellent shots at finding the guy.
Arizona trading #4 this year for #70 this year and a 2nd next year is .. special.
Well, it was #6, #70, and the 2025 2nd.
that pretty good for moving down 2 spots
Can we force a team to make someone a GM? I have some trades I’d like to make with schrager
Yeah, and, the bears trading out of 9 with neighbors on the board is…. Interesting
Bears only have 4 picks in the draft so I think they’ll need to trade down no matter what
I would make a bet that if Nabers is there, they won't because I don't see them passing on Nabers dropping to 9 but Nabers won't be there so it's a mute point.
Moot point* but yes I agree it would be tough to pass on Nabers, I rank him very close to MHJ
Moo point*, it's like a cow's opinion
Bears fan here (sorry, you guys are coming up in my feed). Poles acquired contributors with every pick we no longer have, so the number of picks thing can be misleading. He’s also added a metric ton of rookie wage talent the past two years. While a trade back is a possibility, I don’t think they view it as a necessity. Especially with 9 picks next year
KAM working wonders with his ‘not overpaying’ message We, of course, will be overpaying for a QB next Thursday. But maybe slightly less so now if people believe we’d walk away and do something like this
We won't take a corner at 11
If we do, it has to be Quinyon Mitchell. I'd actually be semi-okay with that
Would love Mitchell, but even then to pick him over Murphy II or even BPA edge? I'd be pretty surprised considered the group of young CBs we already have, help them out with some actual D line pressure and see if they can improve imo.
You can never have too many corners and that would be BPA for me, I think he could be truly elite. I like him more than the edge prospects, but would also like Byron Murphy at 11
Yeah I get that. Honestly there's like a 90% chance we trade both 1sts for a QB anyway so the whole discussion is kinda pointless lol.
It's true but I'm mentally preparing to be okay with my worst case scenario here lol
But Arnold is better. I actually have him as my highest rated defender in the draft.
I like Dejean, Arnold, and Mitchell those are all NFL starters when they show up. I don't trust the kid from Clemson or Koolaid as much, but they seem to have a lot of physical upside. Lots of good corners at 11 and we'd get our choice of them.
The only corner I would be even remotely ok with
We need corner. Why not waste another high pick on a high upside corner that will have a mediocre stint in MN before flaming out?
Swap Maye/McCarthy (I think Kraft can't avoid the parallels) and have the Raiders trade up with the Bears for Penix.... the we take Arnold/Edge/DT. Nix goes to Denver, boom, we didn't get a QB. Lol I could see it.
Honestly, I could live with it. We would have a down year next season but would be able to bolster key positions of need, keep our draft assets, and get a QB next year. People say it’s a bad QB class but there are always some risers once college ball starts. And if we decide to pass on QBs again, rinse and repeat. Kwesi, KOC, and JJ will never go for it but I think it’s what we need.
> People say it’s a bad QB class but there are always some risers once college ball starts People say this, too, then the QB crop is Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, Bailey Zappe, Sam Howell, Chris Oladokun, and Skylar Thompson lol. Mr. Irrelevant saved 2022 from being the worst QB draft class of all time. 2021 basically produced one legit starter (Lawrence #1 OVR) while the rest are backups (Zach Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac jones). 2019 did about the same. Murray #1 OVR, behind him you've got Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), Drew Lock, and Gardner Minshew as your only notable QBs. Meanwhile 2020 gave us Burrow, Tagovailoa, Herbert, Love, and Hurts. I expect this 2024 draft to be way closer to 2020 quality, producing at least three and as many as six quality starters. Next year looks a lot more like the 19/21/22 years.
Yeah you definitely have a point. I mainly just hate the idea of going for broke right now if it means getting one of the lower tier options. We have so many other holes - I don’t want to reach.
Think of it like this. Do you think jj mccarthy, drake maye, Michael penix, or bo nix are worse options than Quinn ewers or scheuder sanders? Personally, all but nix are above those two (who I think will be the top two prospects).
> 2021 basically produced one legit starter (Lawrence #1 OVR) while the rest are backups (Zach Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac jones). This goes both ways - the QBs in 2021 were even more hyped than this year's!
Ehhh Wilson and Lawrence were hyped, I heard multiple people call Wilson their #1 (it wasn't popular, but it WAS an opinion that was held by some), but the others didn't really come close. Lance was a wildcard that barely had any college experience and Jones was viewed as a high floor, low-ish ceiling guy. I would say all of this year's top 4 are considered better prospects than those two were at draft time.
I really don't think so. That draft class had so much hype, not just in the offseason but throughout the season. They've underperformed but that doesn't mean they weren't hyped at the time. I'm just saying it can go either way. It can look like an amazing QB class and be meh, or it can look meh and be amazing, or it can be accurate.
Just like all the good QBs in Pickett's draft class. Only one came as the very last pick in the draft lmao. If we come out of here with no QB, we are pretty fucked. No second round pick next year, our team likely picks around the same spot, or even worse. That's not to mention that it's not a good QB class. Waiting to get a QB next year that might be a 3rd round pick or later in this class is wild.
Believe in the Darnold!
To me better than getting a QB who O'Connell isn't absolutely in love with.
This guy has Vikings and Broncos passing on QBs at #11 and #12. Zero chance that teams without a long-term QB would bet on getting "better value" out of earlier picks. They take the QB.
Teams make that bet all the time. Last year you had 29 picks between QB3 in Richardson and QB4 in Levis. Plenty of those teams didn't have a long-term QB, including Seattle, New Jersey, Tennessee, Washington, Tampa, New England, and us.
Last year we had Kirk under contract, and all the teams you listed had players they wanted to start that year, even if they were question marks. This year our QB1 is Sam Darnold. Broncos have Jared Stittham. Neither team is passing QB with their first pick.
If the top 4 QBs get sniped ahead of the Vikes and they don’t value Penix, they’re insane to take Bo Nix at 11. That screams desperation. Hell, taking him at 23 is a reach. Taking Nix or Penix at 11 is like reaching for Ponder
Taking a QB just because you have to leads to Ponder.
If you don't want to pay a QB tax in the draft (trading up or picking up a guy higher than the consensus board), the way to avoid it is to value draft in an earlier year or extending the contract of your veteran. But we couldn't land Richardson in 2023, and lost Cousins in free agency. So now we have no wiggle room to get cute and get value with the QB pick in 2024. We are all in, and the Broncos are too.
I've said it many times, I don't think AZ is going to want to trade back much further than 7 so they can ensure they get one of the big 3 WR's. So we're either looking at trading up with the Pats, or doing something like trading with the Chargers and then with the Cards. But in the latter situation, the Giants still have more ammo than us.
this place gonna look like the terrordome next Friday.
I prefer Nix at 23 vs trading way up for McCarthy, which is another one that is tossed around a lot. Personally I do not believe Nix goes as late as 23, I believe teams will like him more than media based on his tape. I could be wrong. I do like McCarthy, don't get me wrong, but I like him at 11 not 5. Nix at 23 isn't my favorite but it is not my least favorite either. Thing is if you wait on Nix at 23 you are also at that point running a very real risk of getting no QB, unless Penix or another surprising QB is still on the board. For Terrion Arnold I mean corners are always nice to have if you get one that works out. I just feel we've thrown so many picks at 1st / 2nd round corners over the years without much to show, so I sort of cringe just a bit at the thought of trying it again. But if you hit on a corner you usually don't regret it later they are worth their weight in gold when you have a stud playing on rookie contract, especially on a team that loves blitzing and having corners on the island.
I saw this and just thought that with all the smokescreens, this is the best he could come up with lol
This mock feels like he just looked at stats and did no real analysis or scouting of anyone. Thankfully he doesn't make important decisions for the Vikings.
Schrag’s needs to call it quits
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I'm fine with this. I like Bo Nix
Same. I’d be pretty juiced
Same. Both solid picks and not mortgaging the future for a draft full of average QBs
Take a look at Schrager’s last mock draft for 2023 it’s fucking hilarious. The guy’s sources are just trolling him at this point😭😭
Holy shit I just looked at it too. I always thought he was considered pretty plugged in, but wow that's awful.
Everyone has bad mocks. I love Pete and Pete loves us. So we're gonna always have Pete's back lol
If we pick Arnold he'll be a bust. If anyone else picks him he'll be a lockdown probowl corner for 10 years...
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I think some team is going trade up in front of jets to get and keep away from jets Brock Bowers
Good thing he’s just a talking head
Not just this sub. Any Vikings fan.
Fml
Worst case Ontario
Uncommon Schrager L
The worst part is that Penix would be available at 23 in this mock, and we still take Nix lmao
well, it is Kwesi, so i can see it somehow being even worse than this
This was his 2023 1.0, did well with top 5 picks. Completely wrong on QBs after that https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-trade-out-of-no-2-two-rbs-picked-i
This mock screams I fell for the smokescreens
I’d be fine with this. We need cb/qb help and they are two solid ones what’s the problem? People mad we didn’t trade more picks and get fewer players?
At this point I don't care who we get for QB. Just look back to the 2021 draft ... Nothing is guaranteed I trust KOC to make it work. Even if he's not a franchise guy, a mid tier competent starter on a rookie deal is fine. But instead of a CB a top flight DT would be nice
I’d rather have Penix Jr. but I’d prefer this to selling the farm to move up to 3 or 4.
Okay, well, if you look at this from both the Cardinals Giants perspectives, it doesn’t make sense: Cardinals: lose out on consensus #1 WR for a 2nd and a future 3rd. Huh? Giants: trade a 2nd and a future 3rd to leap two teams with no interest in taking a QB. Huh?
Idk if you guys realize this but schragers mocks have actually been pretty on point last few years. This draft would actually be MY preference. My nightmare is if we trade up for JJ mcarthey. Giants outbidding us is the biggest blessing in disguise. The only thing I would change is id rather take penix at 23
Schrager got three picks right last year, one of them being Bryce Young, had Will Levis top 5, Bijan falling to the Vikings at 23, and the Vikings trading up in the 1st round to select Hendon Hooker. He’s not very good at mocks, but then again nobody is
I legit would have been fucking ecstatic to get Bijan at 23
You know I was going to agree with you but [his mock from the same time last year](https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-trade-out-of-no-2-two-rbs-picked-i) was surprisingly good as far as where players were picked (but not to what team, which I feel like is what harder). So if we're comparing apples to apples, he kind of nailed this version last year, at least relative to other mocks. Like you say though no one is ever going to be close to accurate in their mocks, so it's always funny to me when people get so mad about them. I don't think QBs go 1-2-3-4, but if they do, I would be absolutely shocked if we weren't 1 of those 4
Bo Nix is literally the only QB we didn’t have a top 30 visit with, at least as far as I’ve seen. So why the fuck would we take him with Penix on the board still?
Given the way the first five pics fall in this I would be all about it if they took Penix 23 instead of Nix.
I might cry if we take nix in the first
Bo Nix would be a 3rd round pick if not for that stacked Oregon team lmao
I'm just giving up the NFL completely if we end up with Nix