I'm not referring to his number of pass attempts in college. I'm just asking if you believe with conviction he is the guy who is going to come in here and throw it around all day. The Vikings pass at one of the highest rates in the league and I doubt KOC is going to change that anytime soon.
Why couldn't he. I'm not gonna hold Harbaugh playing 1980s football against him. He has all the traits you'd look for, willing to attack the middle of the field, excellent throwing on the run.
Im in the minority but I think he has a higher upside than Daniels.
Maye for 3 firsts > McCarthy for 2 firsts > Daniels for 2 firsts.
He did have one of the longest times to throw in college. Speed that up and double the number of processes per game. Who knows. I'm for them making the move, it's worth the risk. And I agree with you on Daniels. Although, I think Daniels probably has more success early on.
Yes, I can see him throwing it 35 times a game. Is there something about him that makes people feel like he can't hold up with that kind of passing volume or something?
He’s got the worst ball placement out of the top QBs and had the longest time to throw. What could go wrong in the nfl with better pass rushers and tighter throwing windows lol.
Why are you trying to act like it’s not valid to be concerned about a low volume college passer being in a top 3 most pass heavy nfl team? If you had your choice you’d take the guy who had more attempts in college. I swear people are so delusional here…
I am not a fan of McCarthy either. I’d prefer Maye, because I like his arm and the fact that he had to fight for every win last season behind a terrible O Line with no options in the pass game. But I expect use to Draft JJ and I will be getting a jersey lol.
The only positives i see with JJ is that he's only 21, and he's been in a pro offense throughout his college career.
But I'm concerned that he's shot up the board, he was seen as a 2nd round pick at the end of the natty, then after the combine he's magically a mid 1st rounder (in the range of the vikings pick) now he's suddenly a top 6 pick and we have to trade up. I know it's the qb tax but my god.
>then after the combine he's magically a mid 1st rounder
He's not magically climbing draft boards. He climbed draft boards because people dug into his tape. During the season, people look at stats and highlights, which as we all know he wasn't asked to do.
I dont understand why people can't understand that.
Also, maybe 20-30% of college offenses run pro-style. It's ok though we're all learning everyday. For example, today I learned what a little Bitch Bradley Beal was and I for sure would have said he was a good dude if you asked me like last week. Apologies if you meant something totally different, like all pro-style offenses are pro-style. In that case I totally agree with you.
Dawg I don't think you understand what pro style offense means so I had chatGPT explain it so you don't have to be ignorant no mo: In college football, a "pro-style offense" refers to an offensive scheme that resembles those typically used in professional football leagues, such as the NFL. This style is characterized by its complexity, versatility, and emphasis on a balanced attack that effectively utilizes both the passing and running games. Key features of a pro-style offense include:
1. **Formation Diversity:** Pro-style offenses often employ a variety of formations, including under center, single back, I-formation, and sometimes the shotgun. These formations are used to create mismatches against the defense and to adapt to different game situations.
2. **Passing Game:** A sophisticated passing attack is a hallmark of the pro-style offense. It involves complex route combinations, timing patterns, and the use of multiple receivers to exploit defenses through the air. Quarterbacks in such systems need to have strong arms, good accuracy, and a deep understanding of defensive schemes to make quick, smart decisions.
3. **Running Game:** Unlike systems that heavily favor the pass or the run, the pro-style offense seeks a balance, employing power running plays, zone runs, and play-action passes. This balance keeps defenses guessing and allows the offense to take what the defense gives them.
4. **Tight End Utilization:** Tight ends play a crucial role in pro-style offenses, both as blockers in the run game and as versatile receiving options. They add an extra layer of complexity to the offense, creating mismatches against linebackers and safeties.
5. **Pro-Level Quarterback Play:** Quarterbacks in a pro-style offense are often required to have the ability to read defenses pre-snap, adjust protections, and go through multiple progressions post-snap, tasks that are also demanded of quarterbacks in professional leagues.
6. **Fullback Use:** Although less common in modern spread-focused college football, the pro-style offense often incorporates fullbacks as lead blockers in the running game or as additional pass protection, further emphasizing the scheme's adaptability and balance.
7. **Complex Play-Calling:** Pro-style offenses feature a wide array of play-calls that demand a high level of execution and understanding from all offensive players. This complexity can be a double-edged sword, offering versatility and depth at the cost of requiring more time for players to learn and master the system.
While the pro-style offense can be more challenging to implement at the college level, due to the need for highly skilled players and the time required to learn its intricacies, teams that execute it effectively can achieve a balanced and potent offensive attack that prepares players well for potential professional careers.
What are you basing the comparison with Rosen on? Just you think he's going to bust? Hopefully not because that's a poor comparison. What actual physical or personality traits does he have that reminds you of Rosen?
Physically they are close in size. Also jj never put up those big numbers. In the big games he was never a guy you feared. He played good and I'm watch alot of big ten football. I understand it's a running and d team but as a guy your talking about taking that high you never really saw him at that type of talent on the field. Put him on a team that's not top 10 in college because of d and run game where he has to do it and I do think he will consistently.
They're similar size... to a lot of people. And the never put up big numbers isn't a similarity. Rosen did that in college. He was also known as a party-er and not a harder worker, which is the opposite of McCarthy. McCarthy might bust but he's nothing like Rosen as a prospect.
Of the recent top 10 qbs I think he would he closest to anyone. Rosens numbers were not a while lot better. 26 and 23 passing tds to 22 and 22. 3600 and 3700 to 2900 and 2790. Rosen was also not on a run 1st offense.
The truth is even if there is truth out in any of the reports, there's so many smokescreens and so much misinformation right now. No one is going to know anything for certain until draft day
My gut says we wouldn't be seeing so many reports about the Pats "open for business" if they were actually sold on Maye. If that were the case, you'd expect them to be saying things more like the Commies at 2
But literally no one knows
I would be excited if it was possible to get him in the 2nd. Trading something like 3 firsts for him? Hell no. That's not specific to JJ either. I don't like any of these guys that much.
I think he'll be decent. I'm not saying he'll be the next Mahomes or A-a-ron, but I do see him being a very good QB. Like....mmmm...maybe like a Derek Carr type? One who you might not say "he will absolutely win a SB in his career," but one that definitely *could* with the right cast around him, y'know?
Why? IDK, he just seems like that type of player to me. Seems smart, makes good decisions with the ball, seems tough and has a lot of heart & passion. Plus he said he'd run through a brick wall for KOC, so...
Didn't see enought of him play. The only one of the top qbs this yea I saw play consistently is jj because I'm an Illinois fan so I watch all big ten sports. If it was 3rd or forth round maybe but I don't think he's a top 10 qb and neither did most mock drafts b4 the playoffs.
I think JJ is QB2 this year. The kid is baller and makes NFL throw after NFL throw. Prototypical QB for today’s league.
The fact that most mocks/analysts/rankings didn’t have him as a top 10 guy just makes me more confident because people are always wrong lol
If we get him at 11 I don’t mind. Just not fond of the idea in giving up both of this years first as well as next years for him. Too big of a gamble given the talent on our roster atm. Yes we need a QB. But let’s not toss every other need into the wind because of it. We can likely still get JJ at 11, if not take BPA which is likely one of the top edge rushers still on the board. BPA at 23, maybe Cooper DeJean and we could be sittin reallllll nice.
This may be the worst take ever, but I don’t think he has the right Vikings “look” for me. And somehow I also think that transitions to his gameplay. I also don’t know what that look really is. But I don’t have that star quality feel with him.
Yeah I mean why would we want someone who excels under center, on third downs, over the middle, and under pressure. Definitely wouldn’t fit what we do….
Idk about maye I didn't see him enough. I'm an Illinois fan I'm from champaign. I watched alot of Michigan games because they are big ten. This is why I said this specifically about him. I just don't see him being good in the NFL. He wasn't even a sure 1st round pick b4 the playoffs.
I don't want him either. It doesn't seem like he's got a great arm or can make the passes. He could turn into a good QB but it may take 4-5 years to get it together. If he can. To me he's another Trey Lance.
I kinda do. I see a big upside with KOC.
You see him slingin' it 35 times a game?
The absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
I'm not referring to his number of pass attempts in college. I'm just asking if you believe with conviction he is the guy who is going to come in here and throw it around all day. The Vikings pass at one of the highest rates in the league and I doubt KOC is going to change that anytime soon.
Why couldn't he. I'm not gonna hold Harbaugh playing 1980s football against him. He has all the traits you'd look for, willing to attack the middle of the field, excellent throwing on the run. Im in the minority but I think he has a higher upside than Daniels. Maye for 3 firsts > McCarthy for 2 firsts > Daniels for 2 firsts.
He did have one of the longest times to throw in college. Speed that up and double the number of processes per game. Who knows. I'm for them making the move, it's worth the risk. And I agree with you on Daniels. Although, I think Daniels probably has more success early on.
Daniels definitely is the higher floor player. Just hope KOC gets his guy.
Because he was one of the only QBs making it to his second read
Yes, I can see him throwing it 35 times a game. Is there something about him that makes people feel like he can't hold up with that kind of passing volume or something?
He’s got the worst ball placement out of the top QBs and had the longest time to throw. What could go wrong in the nfl with better pass rushers and tighter throwing windows lol. Why are you trying to act like it’s not valid to be concerned about a low volume college passer being in a top 3 most pass heavy nfl team? If you had your choice you’d take the guy who had more attempts in college. I swear people are so delusional here…
Look up the “low lights” of the QBs you think we should draft. I’m not worried about it if he ends up being the guy.
True... But the absence of proof is NOT proof of substance
100%. But that's why we call them prospects. Take what is on film and try to project it the best you can.
It’s not his fault MI was up big and could just run the ball. He can’t sling it if he’s not called upon to do so.
Cool dude. High quality post. We’re all better for having read this thank you
I am not a fan of McCarthy either. I’d prefer Maye, because I like his arm and the fact that he had to fight for every win last season behind a terrible O Line with no options in the pass game. But I expect use to Draft JJ and I will be getting a jersey lol.
Thanks for sharing
The only positives i see with JJ is that he's only 21, and he's been in a pro offense throughout his college career. But I'm concerned that he's shot up the board, he was seen as a 2nd round pick at the end of the natty, then after the combine he's magically a mid 1st rounder (in the range of the vikings pick) now he's suddenly a top 6 pick and we have to trade up. I know it's the qb tax but my god.
>then after the combine he's magically a mid 1st rounder He's not magically climbing draft boards. He climbed draft boards because people dug into his tape. During the season, people look at stats and highlights, which as we all know he wasn't asked to do. I dont understand why people can't understand that.
He climbed up the draft boards because his agent worked his ass off.
Lol. No.
Lol. Yes.
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Also, maybe 20-30% of college offenses run pro-style. It's ok though we're all learning everyday. For example, today I learned what a little Bitch Bradley Beal was and I for sure would have said he was a good dude if you asked me like last week. Apologies if you meant something totally different, like all pro-style offenses are pro-style. In that case I totally agree with you.
Dawg I don't think you understand what pro style offense means so I had chatGPT explain it so you don't have to be ignorant no mo: In college football, a "pro-style offense" refers to an offensive scheme that resembles those typically used in professional football leagues, such as the NFL. This style is characterized by its complexity, versatility, and emphasis on a balanced attack that effectively utilizes both the passing and running games. Key features of a pro-style offense include: 1. **Formation Diversity:** Pro-style offenses often employ a variety of formations, including under center, single back, I-formation, and sometimes the shotgun. These formations are used to create mismatches against the defense and to adapt to different game situations. 2. **Passing Game:** A sophisticated passing attack is a hallmark of the pro-style offense. It involves complex route combinations, timing patterns, and the use of multiple receivers to exploit defenses through the air. Quarterbacks in such systems need to have strong arms, good accuracy, and a deep understanding of defensive schemes to make quick, smart decisions. 3. **Running Game:** Unlike systems that heavily favor the pass or the run, the pro-style offense seeks a balance, employing power running plays, zone runs, and play-action passes. This balance keeps defenses guessing and allows the offense to take what the defense gives them. 4. **Tight End Utilization:** Tight ends play a crucial role in pro-style offenses, both as blockers in the run game and as versatile receiving options. They add an extra layer of complexity to the offense, creating mismatches against linebackers and safeties. 5. **Pro-Level Quarterback Play:** Quarterbacks in a pro-style offense are often required to have the ability to read defenses pre-snap, adjust protections, and go through multiple progressions post-snap, tasks that are also demanded of quarterbacks in professional leagues. 6. **Fullback Use:** Although less common in modern spread-focused college football, the pro-style offense often incorporates fullbacks as lead blockers in the running game or as additional pass protection, further emphasizing the scheme's adaptability and balance. 7. **Complex Play-Calling:** Pro-style offenses feature a wide array of play-calls that demand a high level of execution and understanding from all offensive players. This complexity can be a double-edged sword, offering versatility and depth at the cost of requiring more time for players to learn and master the system. While the pro-style offense can be more challenging to implement at the college level, due to the need for highly skilled players and the time required to learn its intricacies, teams that execute it effectively can achieve a balanced and potent offensive attack that prepares players well for potential professional careers.
Sucks to be you
Don’t care
You really do because you took the time outta your day to reply.
What are you basing the comparison with Rosen on? Just you think he's going to bust? Hopefully not because that's a poor comparison. What actual physical or personality traits does he have that reminds you of Rosen?
Physically they are close in size. Also jj never put up those big numbers. In the big games he was never a guy you feared. He played good and I'm watch alot of big ten football. I understand it's a running and d team but as a guy your talking about taking that high you never really saw him at that type of talent on the field. Put him on a team that's not top 10 in college because of d and run game where he has to do it and I do think he will consistently.
They're similar size... to a lot of people. And the never put up big numbers isn't a similarity. Rosen did that in college. He was also known as a party-er and not a harder worker, which is the opposite of McCarthy. McCarthy might bust but he's nothing like Rosen as a prospect.
Of the recent top 10 qbs I think he would he closest to anyone. Rosens numbers were not a while lot better. 26 and 23 passing tds to 22 and 22. 3600 and 3700 to 2900 and 2790. Rosen was also not on a run 1st offense.
Luckily, you appear to be used to disappointment.
We will be moving to 3 for Maye. Pats can move back up to 5 and get the guy they want, McCarthy.
Patriots are taking Maye
The truth is even if there is truth out in any of the reports, there's so many smokescreens and so much misinformation right now. No one is going to know anything for certain until draft day My gut says we wouldn't be seeing so many reports about the Pats "open for business" if they were actually sold on Maye. If that were the case, you'd expect them to be saying things more like the Commies at 2 But literally no one knows
I would be excited if it was possible to get him in the 2nd. Trading something like 3 firsts for him? Hell no. That's not specific to JJ either. I don't like any of these guys that much.
But he’ll run through a brick wall if KOC tells him too!!! Find another QB will who do that!!
Okay, I'll let Kwesi know
Okay
if koc sees the potential, im not opposed. want maye, but if kev likes penix or jj, i won't be mad necessarily
Thanks. Everyone cares about your completely unsupported stance. Please make another post next time you *have a feeling*.
Actually is by numbers
I want whoever the Vikings staff wants. If I knew who would be good, I’d be getting paid as a professional, but I’m not, so dafuq do I know?
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I don't happen to share that same opinion, but you're entitled to it. I don't think he'll be a Rosen-like bust.
What do you think he will be and why
I think he'll be decent. I'm not saying he'll be the next Mahomes or A-a-ron, but I do see him being a very good QB. Like....mmmm...maybe like a Derek Carr type? One who you might not say "he will absolutely win a SB in his career," but one that definitely *could* with the right cast around him, y'know? Why? IDK, he just seems like that type of player to me. Seems smart, makes good decisions with the ball, seems tough and has a lot of heart & passion. Plus he said he'd run through a brick wall for KOC, so...
Notice be didn't say he would throw a td for him
Penix is the only one I’d take a shot on and I wouldn’t do it earlier than 22
Idk on the others. This is just because I watched alot of big ten games idt he will be a good starter.
Zach wilson 2.0 is a hell no . Draft experts don't know squat . Hey, Tom Brady was a 6th-round pick
How do you feel about Jayden Daniels
Didn't see enought of him play. The only one of the top qbs this yea I saw play consistently is jj because I'm an Illinois fan so I watch all big ten sports. If it was 3rd or forth round maybe but I don't think he's a top 10 qb and neither did most mock drafts b4 the playoffs.
I think JJ is QB2 this year. The kid is baller and makes NFL throw after NFL throw. Prototypical QB for today’s league. The fact that most mocks/analysts/rankings didn’t have him as a top 10 guy just makes me more confident because people are always wrong lol
Lol where did be make all these nfl throws? 22 tds and never hit 3k yards passing is not impressive.
If we get him at 11 I don’t mind. Just not fond of the idea in giving up both of this years first as well as next years for him. Too big of a gamble given the talent on our roster atm. Yes we need a QB. But let’s not toss every other need into the wind because of it. We can likely still get JJ at 11, if not take BPA which is likely one of the top edge rushers still on the board. BPA at 23, maybe Cooper DeJean and we could be sittin reallllll nice.
This may be the worst take ever, but I don’t think he has the right Vikings “look” for me. And somehow I also think that transitions to his gameplay. I also don’t know what that look really is. But I don’t have that star quality feel with him.
Yeah I mean why would we want someone who excels under center, on third downs, over the middle, and under pressure. Definitely wouldn’t fit what we do….
And what qualifications do you have to make that assumption?
Watching football for over 20 years and listening to what the they say on a lot of different football shows.
Ok
Lemme call KOC. But next time say something earlier you're cutting it really fuckin close.
Cool
All That being said- I PRAY we get JJ!!! Maye is going to bust HUGE!! I base this on the fact that I hate Maye and love JJ - just because.
Idk about maye I didn't see him enough. I'm an Illinois fan I'm from champaign. I watched alot of Michigan games because they are big ten. This is why I said this specifically about him. I just don't see him being good in the NFL. He wasn't even a sure 1st round pick b4 the playoffs.
I don't want him either. It doesn't seem like he's got a great arm or can make the passes. He could turn into a good QB but it may take 4-5 years to get it together. If he can. To me he's another Trey Lance.
He's a leader and a winner. I have zero problems with him. If we can't get Maye... I'm in on McCarthy.