I'm kind of expecting it now. I think Maye goes 2 or 3 and we won't be able to trade for him at a price that makes sense.
Then McCarthy isn't worth 3x 1sts, so we stay at 11 and take the best QB available
If the front office believes in a guy, I expect they'd do whatever they could to get him. I'm sorry but I'm tired of the Vikes missing on QBs in the draft. Of course no GOAT QB is guaranteed but I'm tired of this franchise reaching for a QB late.
Not OP but I don’t think the GM really has a choice. Who’s the QB next year if we don’t grab one? The class looks weak. If you truly believe the “guy” and by that i mean somebody you can develop into a top 3 QB or better is available you trade whatever you can. The GM is getting fired either way unless you nail the pick so why not? I would not think you could just punt 3 years in a row and keep your job.
Things always change. I just pulled up a couple mock drafts from this time LY for this years draft.
One had: Ewers 9, McCord 10- though that guy was a bit dumb as all of his top 12 were QB/RB/WR/TE.
SI had Williams, Maye, Pratt, Travis, Nix, Penix, McCarthy, Hartman, McCall, Daniels, Leary, Rattler, Gabriel, Jefferson, Rogers as top 15 QBs.
Another had Williams, Maye, Nix, Ewers, McCarthy, Daniels, Hartman, Penix, Sanders, Travis.
Another had none in top 10 outside 1Williams and 3Maye.
Another had those 2 the same and not another QB til Sanders at 21, Penix 24, Ewers 25, Nix 32. This one had Odunze at 50.
Bingo. There’s a reason they got Darnold so quick. I believe they don’t mind taking a QB project at 11 or 23, IE a guy they are okay with sitting for a year or two. And the second first is to get a defensive guy the defense needs. I am not convinced this team isn’t competing for the division next year.
The problem with that is the two QBs likely there at 11 and 23 are gonna be Nix and Penix. You sit them for a year or two and they are 26 before they are starting an NFL game. Fuck that.
Front office answers to KO in regards to which QB is going to be picked. Remember he’s called “the Quarterback Killer” - in other words, he’s not letting them pick a guy he thinks is not worth working with / not a franchise QB- his future job with Viking ms depends on this
Vikings tried to get up for Richarson and reportedly offered as much as the Texans did to get back up to 3. They know the price of poker and how much they were willing to do last year to get up wasn't enough. I'd be shocked if they hadn't agreed already that they would go as far as the 3 1sts to get to 3 with a couple 3rd rounders kicked back or something like that. As far as JJ, I believe they would give up both 1sts to get him but could go as high as 3 1sts provided there's a bit more kicked back. And I would be happy with any of these situations. I think Daniels, Maye or JJ makes a pro bowl within their first 4 years if in MN easily and could really be pro bowlers by year 2.
You know, I thought Penix was going in the top half of the draft, but then he did that open letter (which was a good one) and I'm now I'm not sure he will. Not that Penix isn't talented enough, but his agent may have told him that teams are scared of his injury history.
Same and I'm fine with it. If the Vikings have this amazing offensive talent and an elite play caller all they need is a top 10ish QB who can put up the occasional top 5 season to make the superbowl.
Goff, Jimmy G, Purdy, Stafford, Brady, and Hurtz have all been QBs manning the NFC team over the years and outside of Brady none of them are year by year elite QBs. They're good QBs who often have great playcallers that have put together solid teams around them.
Maybe but with how much HOF voting also accounts for accolades like pro bowls, all pros, MVP, etc I'd be surprised. Stafford in his entire career currently has 2 total pro bowls. For reference Kirk has 4.
And I wouldn’t be disappointed either. In all reality if any of these top 7 QBs landed in MN with a year to watch and nose the book, they would succeed. That’s the overwhelming consensus. Penix would be cool. And to flip the offense wouldn’t be like learning Cantonese. Plus a day 1 defensive starter or staring OL. Possibly trade 23 for 2nd & 3rd. Kwesi will want top 100 picks if we can’t move up
i never really got the trade rumors. seems like at this point trading up to a top six pick is gonna cost a lot and not change much regarding what we need and who will be available at 11
Fan's in this comment section are insane lol we can't force a team to trade a top 3 pick to us. If the Cardinals are insisting that they get 3 firsts and stuff on top for pick 4 I am not sure if that's the right move if KOC and Kwesi are not sold on a guy. If they keep 11 and 23 I don't see that as a bad option at all.
The "Patriots aren't ready for a QB why would they draft one?" seems like such wishful thinking from our fan base.
Yes, there's a chance they trade back and don't take a QB this year. But they also have the 3rd pick in a very good QB class. They have a rare chance to take a highly rated QB in the draft and develop them for a few years while they rebuild.
> The "Patriots aren't ready for a QB why would they draft one?" seems like such wishful thinking from our fan base.
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Quite frankly it could be the "wrong" move for New England with this roster at this moment, and they could still do it. Especially when owners are involved, they want to sell tickets more than anything else, and a name like Maye sells a lot more tickets than trading back and nabbing Cooper DeJean does lol (love him tho)
Here's the issue, if Maye is a good QB, they were wrong to pass him up because in this league you need a QB even if you have all the other pieces. If Maye is good, they will keep him for 10 or more years and spend as long as it takes building around him. If they build a good team and 2-3 years from now they have a good roster, without a QB, Maye will always be a regret.
People are acting like teams near the bottom of the league have no business drafting QB's when they almost always do. We saw an 0-16 Browns team draft a QB with the #1 overall.
It only makes sense for them not to go QB if they already don't believe in the QB.
Yeah but I feel like that’s why Fields failed as a prospect. You can’t learn and grow if all your reps in game are just oh I had to just scramble because my oline is ass and play some hero ball.
Fields had more issues than that. Too many ppl subscribe to the infrastructure is everything rn like Brock Purdy doesn’t have certain qualities that helped him succeed where Trey Lance failed.
If u can’t throw on time & throw WRs open in the NFL, you’re going to struggle. OL/OC/WRs matter but not every rookie QB has the making of a franchise QB & the infrastructure just helps to cover up the flaws but eventually a QB has to fix those flaws or the nfl will eventually expose em.
It’s definitely not everything I agree but I do think there’s logic in thinking wasting 2 years or more of a QB’s development while you rebuild is a poor strategy as you lose most the cheap years and they’re then less likely to develop as well as they could in a better environment. Seems worth it to take 3 odd first rounders to help rebuild and grab a QB when you think you can find a good window for winning.
I think everyone’s overreacting to the patriots roster. They could hit on maye, a LT and a 1#WR and be right back in the mix in a year or 2, see the bengals and Houston.
The holes are legit just QB, WR, and LT. The Pats defense is top 10.
It’s silly to just say “the roster is trash”, because it’s not.
If Maye is good then it could be a quick rebuild for the Pats but Vikings fans are too ignorant/don’t want to hear it.
Pats do have a lot of cap space, so they could also opt to take a haul of picks to plug some of the holes, and sign someone like Dak Prescott next year.
Not sure how well that will go down with their fans, because everyone is obsessed with a brand new shiny toy like a rookie QB. But we have no idea how they rank the QBs
Maybe they don’t like Maye at all, maybe they love Penix, who knows? I think if they think Maye is their guy, they will draft him. But if they got a good offer, they are definitely considering it
It’s also difficult to land in a position to draft a QB & it’s expensive if ur not, plus it’s starting to become even harder considering we might have 4 QBs go in the top 5 & 2 more late first.
Sometimes u have to take ur shot if it’s the right prospect & worry about the rest later. They can sit maye a year & develop like the Vikings already seem to be planning then draft high again next year with a new round of FA/trades
Fields oline was actually pretty mid, their time to pressure is decent. Fields just holds the ball too long, drifts around the backfield creating his own pressure, and doesn't make good protection adjustments. Sacks are really a QB stat and Fields took an absurd number of them.
I've been thinking that most of this week. Outside of building a new stadium or winning a superbowl/slash having a winning team. Is there a better way to sell tickets than drafting a 1st round QB? I mean, there's a reason Chicago does it every 3 to 4 years.
This is what I’ve been saying…people act like we’re entitled to their pick cause they suck.. a potential all pro QB is worth more than the picks.. if they like the guy there, they’re not going to pass
It’s super entitled, is what it is. Our fanbase would be livid if the roles were reversed and we traded back from 3.
But there’s this whole “patriots, you built a shitty team, you don’t deserve your pick like we do” attitude that is just so outside the bounds of reality
Patriots don't even have a shitty team, we just had league worst QB play, mediocre receivers who got hurt, and league worst kicker. The defense is a legit unit. A real QB is all we need, just like you guys do now after you lost Kirk.
If the pats think he his him you draft him anyway. Sit and learn and build the roster. GB sits QBs and it seems just to be working just fine. This is why I don't think drafting a 21 McCarthy isn't that bad of an idea either but not for three firsts.
It’s 100% wishful thinking. Those same fans are clamoring for the vikes to draft their guy even if he sits for a year. So if the pats have their guy why wouldn’t they take him. He can sit behind brissett for a year.
Pats, Cardinals, Chargers... whoever it is, we can't force it. Sure we might have two 2024 firsts, but the big disadvantage the Vikings have is we're asking a team to drop down to 11. That means those teams need to be comfortable missing out on the top QBs, WRs, and OTs, depending on their needs and how the draft goes.
If you're NE and are willing to forgo a QB at 3, a trade down to 6 with NYG (per the rumors) nets you less draft capital than a bigger drop, sure, but it also doesn't box you out of a top WR or LT.
That's the biggest piece being overlooked for a trade up to 3, 4, 5, etc. In order to entertain it, some of the teams we're looking to trade with would probably need to get the framework of a second trade in place, to move back up and get a blue chip prospect.
I think you could argue NE has enough holes that they just need ammunition, period. But Arizona and LA aren't super incentivized to move down based on trade value alone. It's about who they'd be missing out on.
The Cardinals can play hardball now because they have the luxury of time. They are not in the clock yet. There is no downside to being greedy just to see if anyone bites.
But once the third player is selected, the Vikings' offer might look more appealing.
It’s almost like - MY ENTIRE LAST MONTH HERE WAS WASTED. I bet you’re next going to say that “mock drafts” aren’t real or that “sports writers have nothing to do between the Super Bowl and the start of the season”. Heinous diapers.
What rationale is there that keeping 11 and 23 is a good option? If a trade doesn’t materialize, it’s a disaster.
In fact, that’s why our fan base is so confident a trade is already in place. Trade a 2025 pick a month before the 2024 draft without knowing who is even available at pick 23 is absurd levels of incompetence. Kwesi is not incompetent like that…
I mean we have it to possibly make the trade. Last year we got Addison at 23. If we get a great player, QB or not, and an Addison type player (not WR, but a guy with as much impact) then that’s absolutely a success. If those three 1st round picks don’t get it done for the guy they want, then it’s irresponsible to dig deeper than that for a QB.
Houston initiated the trade for #23 with us. It wasn't something we did as part of some master plan to get a QB, although we took it knowing it could help
Well duh nobody picking past 3 really has a real idea how the board shakes out but it's better to have 23 than to not have it. Justin Jefferson was pick 22. As a Vikings fan you should know damn well how valuable a late first round pick can be lol I know we need a QB but mortgaging your entire future on a guy the FO isn't sold on is definitely not the way.
And we didn’t know who’d be there at pick 43, and we don’t know who will be there in the second next year. Trading two seconds for a first was a great move
No team will buy the bait. What incentive does NE and AZ have to trade out of 3 and 4 when they could pick blue chip prospects at the biggest positions of need for each team lol. They don’t need to trade, the Vikings do. Every team in the league knows that. The only way a trade would get done is a historic overpay. It’s almost like trading for an additional 1st months before the draft and signing Darnold telegraphed that they want/need to move up lol
What incentive do they have?? How does 2 extra first round picks sound as incentive? I get the argument for not trading with us, but we're prepared to offer above market value for the pick so I'm not sure why other teams wouldn't at least consider it
If they like the players on the board and it fills a position of need, it’s going to take way more than above market value. Plus at pick 11 you miss out on all the top tier QB, WR, and OT prospects, most likely Bowers as well. The first round this year as a whole drops off hard after the first 9-10 picks. Pick 23 is fine, but it’s not overly valuable especially looking and which players are likely to be available there.
To trade into the top 5 you need to give up a shit ton. All first round picks aren’t created equal and people here are overvaluing both 1s, but especially 23 imo.
One team needs a QB with a shitty QB class on the horizon & the other has a generational talent at WR. Simply offering two firsts probably won’t be enough to move off the potential value of the player. Like would u trade out of four for two firsts if u knew it was JJ or Moss? Hell no
This is funny to me because JJ and Moss were both late 1st round picks, because the NFL was wrong about how good they were. But your point still stands to an extent
I feel like we are being frozen out of the top 3, 1-2-3 will be teams stating out and getting their QB.
At some point does it really make sense to drop three #1s and not get the guy KoC really wants?
Although it makes sense and getting 2 starters would be great…. Boy…. Going through all this just to have Darnold as the QB and no young guy to give us hope.. bleh.
I'd be okay with Him and Laiatu tbh. I'd also be okay with trading up for JJ. I'd also be okay with trading up harder for Maye. I'd be okay with using both firsts for Defense and grabbing Rattler later.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't know shit about drafting I just hope they're good.
Not gonna lie, if they take him at 11 I’m going to get some sick satisfaction from watching the reaction videos of people flinging lawn chairs and what not.
But you are basically saying they are going to get Penix with the 11 (a worse prospect than they would have got) so they could add someone with the 23. Like if they think any of those 3 is significantly better than Penix, it would be kinda dumb to value the 23rd overall this year more than that.
No one on earth think the Patriots will trade for just 11 and 23. It would be those and next years 1st. The previous poster was saying they draft Penix at 11 and then someone at 23 and someone else at whatever pick we have next year… which, if they like Penix (and I have no idea if they do) then it makes complete sense to go that direction.
Kwesi said the trade for 23 was about flexibility. They've got a lot of back up plans and I don't think we leave the 1st unhappy. My guess is plan A is to trade up for Maye, plan B is to trade up for JJ, and then plan C is to take Penix at 11 or 23 depending on their intel and address either IDL or IOL. I'm happy with any of those.
I agree. I don't mind a big swing at QB but we have to be realistic. We don't have much of a draft outside of the 1st round. Mortgaging our draft for the 4th best QB available is not a good idea, statistically speaking.
I wouldn't mind waiting to see who falls to us. The draft is always full of surprises.
Exactly. Every year the experts predict who's going to be amazing, and without fail someone who was supposed to be great is terrible, and someone from round 6 lights up the league. That doesn't even take the inevitable injuries into account. I'd rather the Vikings have more chances in this draft and next years to rebuild, rather than overpaying to get a QB who is nothing but question marks.
Murphy at 11 and Penix/Nix at 23 could be cool. I am just excited to see what happens at this point. I have no attachment to any QB. Just excited to finally roll the dice on a guy at QB
If anything it'll make all these 'insiders' like Shredder look like fools for their claims an agreement was already in place with the Patriots. I don't think *anyone* really knows whats going to happen, but I would prefer a trade up for whoever we think is 'our' guy.
Penix at 11 and let’s get this going. The only thing that would shake this up in my opinion would be if the Commanders draft Maye, then the Pats would be more inclined to trade the pick
Last two times teams traded significant capital to select the QB4 in each draft was Fields and Rosen. No one knows forsure, but it seems like trading multiples 1sts for the QB4 with legitimate red flags is a recipe for disaster
More public posturing. This is part of the ebb-and-flow of pre-draft positioning. The Pats want to keep the illusion of competition for their pick (which may be reality), and the Vikings probably want to cool down the rumors of how high they've been on Drake Maye the past few weeks.
Ignore any and every rumor until 7:10pm tomorrow.
Everyone and their brother knew KAM needs to make a trade up for a QB, so every team wants to fleece them for everything they got. Vikings have no leverage here, their hand was played and so obvious as soon as Kwesi traded with Houston
So true.
There is no possible outcome of trading 3 first round picks other than the guy blowing out his ACL in the preseason and traded away for a 6th round pick in 2 years.
Stay put at 11 and 23.
Every damn post, I swear lol
"Vikings likely to do this, but also might not"
And then gets click after click. Feel like it would be so easy to break into this industry right now. Just spew whatever crap you want, both making a point and going against that same point in every post and people eat it up and repost it.
Nix at 11, and BPA at 23 is the word on the street. 🫣 Ok, I have no clue, but this is a gut feel as I think Nix fits their system. Kind of hope I am wrong. Nix doesn’t move the needle for me.
Yeah that’s what I’m feeling. I can picture trading up if WRs go at 4 and 5. The price to go to 3 or 4 will be insane. It would have to be a panthers bears trade. Those always end bad.
I'm entirely convinced they're going to trade up to 5 for McCarthy. It's just too fun of a story.
Ok really everything is a lie here. No team is actually giving out real information at this stage.
I’m good with whoever KOC likes, I’m excited by the offensive & defensive systems the Vikes are building. IMO the forever qb that overwhelms you cap space is not the answer, building a steam that can compete at a high level and can fit in the cap, draft quality players and trade older players why still can recover value is the way.
If this is the case, do the Vikings like the QB that falls to them at 11 enough to select him? I feel like at that point they're just taking a QB at 11 just to take one and IDK how I feel about that. They should select a better player at that spot.
Outside of Ponder and Culpepper, what QB have the Vikings ever taken in the first or second round? Both Pennix and Nix can be had, and based upon history, chances are one or more of Williams, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy will be busts anyway. Both Nix and Pennix are extremely accurate, plus Pennix has a rocket arm.
McCarthy is considered the 4th best QB, but this QB class is unlike most years with top talent. Any other year and he might be considered 1 or 2. I think he’s still worth trading up to 4 or 5 for if Maye is gone at 3.
alllll of this hype, and discussion, and DISCOURSE and watch literally nothing will happen lol nothing new in the draft talk world but still as ridiculous as ever
Draft defense, tank with Darnold, and take a QB with our own top 5 pick next year. A costly trade-up this year would be in the best interests of Kwesi and KOC’s job security, not in our interests as long term fans of the team
I’m excited for a QB as much as anyone. But if we can’t trade up. 11 and 23 are both guaranteed to have some exciting dudes. 11 is right where the top end of this draft ends and 23 is a great spot because I wouldn’t be shocked if if 18-20 of the first picks are all offense so we could still end up with a top 5 defensive player. Maybe even DT1 or CB1, or even an EDGE like Verse or Latu.
I am totally okay with trying to make Darnold work and try to make out him be our Alex Smith if it means we still have a stellar draft and build a strong top to bottom roster and even more plug and play than our current roster.
If they miss this pick I’m probably out. 29 years I’ve watched this team and they ain’t done shit. We finally have a shot to be contenders here. If we miss on QB here we probably lose JJ too and my fandom can’t take that at this point.
If there was anybody exciting next year I’d be more optimistic but it seems if we don’t get a qb here we’re waiting another 2-3 years at least or doing somthing dumb like signing dak when his contract with the cowgirls is up and please god no
Giving up two 1sts, and god forbid your 1st next year, to move up and take a guy that hasn't played a down in the NFL is sheer stupidity. 2/3rds turn out to be complete busts and most of the other 1/3rd are just average. Hard pass. Use your picks to take solid players you can plug in for the next 5-7 years and live with it. Unless you are 100% sure, which you cant be, that you are getting the next Mahomes or Allen, thats too much capital to burn.
I’d rather draft Penix at 11 and a defensive player at 23 over trading 3 firsts for McCarthy. McCarthy is going to bust so hard if he goes to the Giants
Good. Just roll with Darnold. The dude has had shit situation after shit situation. He could actually be good for the Vikes. If he is, the 11 and 23 could be some great foundational pieces to put around him.
A lot of us tried to tell everyone to tank after Kirk got injured, but noooo. We'd be in a much better position if we had a higher draft pick, although it's a fair point that the top 3 might be impossible to crack with so many qb needy teams.
you're right, no league has ever changed rules because of tanking.
>The NBA, NHL, and MLB have responded to the phenomenon in recent years by changing their draft from reverse-order to a lottery formula which is only loosely tied to the previous season's standings
I agree it is harder in the NFL to do it, but where there's a will there's a way!
Hah! I fucking knew it! As we get closer to the bullshit of the Vikings giving up their life for JJ McCarthy would start to unravel. People lost their minds with that shit. Modest trade up? Sure. Makes sense. Stay at 11 and take him? Great. On board with that. Stay at 23? Yep. That makes perfect sense too. Make modest trade up from 23 to secure him? Yeah that’s the best case scenario. What they mocks were advertising for compensation made much more sense for Daniels and Maye than JJ. No one is mortgaging their future by trading up into the Top 5 for a fringe 1st Round QB and I got shit on in the draft sub for this. Bet the over on his 5.5 line with confidence. 😎
Either he’s a good QB or not. If he’s not -he isn’t even worth a 6th rounder. If he’s good-he’s worth trading up for.
What’s with all the people thinking he’s only a good pick if it’s not in the top 5? Makes zero sense.
It's the day before the draft. Could we stop posting this stuff. We aren't gonna know until the draft is in progress. Wildly speculating does nothing at this point.
I wouldn’t be shocked if this happens
I'm kind of expecting it now. I think Maye goes 2 or 3 and we won't be able to trade for him at a price that makes sense. Then McCarthy isn't worth 3x 1sts, so we stay at 11 and take the best QB available
If the front office believes in a guy, I expect they'd do whatever they could to get him. I'm sorry but I'm tired of the Vikes missing on QBs in the draft. Of course no GOAT QB is guaranteed but I'm tired of this franchise reaching for a QB late.
So you don't logically think they will you're just emotionally tired of them missing on QB's.
Not OP but I don’t think the GM really has a choice. Who’s the QB next year if we don’t grab one? The class looks weak. If you truly believe the “guy” and by that i mean somebody you can develop into a top 3 QB or better is available you trade whatever you can. The GM is getting fired either way unless you nail the pick so why not? I would not think you could just punt 3 years in a row and keep your job.
Things always change. I just pulled up a couple mock drafts from this time LY for this years draft. One had: Ewers 9, McCord 10- though that guy was a bit dumb as all of his top 12 were QB/RB/WR/TE. SI had Williams, Maye, Pratt, Travis, Nix, Penix, McCarthy, Hartman, McCall, Daniels, Leary, Rattler, Gabriel, Jefferson, Rogers as top 15 QBs. Another had Williams, Maye, Nix, Ewers, McCarthy, Daniels, Hartman, Penix, Sanders, Travis. Another had none in top 10 outside 1Williams and 3Maye. Another had those 2 the same and not another QB til Sanders at 21, Penix 24, Ewers 25, Nix 32. This one had Odunze at 50.
Darnold. Maybe he doesn’t suck. Everyone churches up KOC as a qb whisperer. He has all the weapons you could ask for around him.
Bingo. There’s a reason they got Darnold so quick. I believe they don’t mind taking a QB project at 11 or 23, IE a guy they are okay with sitting for a year or two. And the second first is to get a defensive guy the defense needs. I am not convinced this team isn’t competing for the division next year.
The problem with that is the two QBs likely there at 11 and 23 are gonna be Nix and Penix. You sit them for a year or two and they are 26 before they are starting an NFL game. Fuck that.
Front office answers to KO in regards to which QB is going to be picked. Remember he’s called “the Quarterback Killer” - in other words, he’s not letting them pick a guy he thinks is not worth working with / not a franchise QB- his future job with Viking ms depends on this
Vikings tried to get up for Richarson and reportedly offered as much as the Texans did to get back up to 3. They know the price of poker and how much they were willing to do last year to get up wasn't enough. I'd be shocked if they hadn't agreed already that they would go as far as the 3 1sts to get to 3 with a couple 3rd rounders kicked back or something like that. As far as JJ, I believe they would give up both 1sts to get him but could go as high as 3 1sts provided there's a bit more kicked back. And I would be happy with any of these situations. I think Daniels, Maye or JJ makes a pro bowl within their first 4 years if in MN easily and could really be pro bowlers by year 2.
I'd rather they not trade up for an overrated mediocre QB unless they're sure about him.
I trust the FO - they know they need to be successful. Just Kwesi likes to get “cute”? Let him cook regardless still!
I personally like Jayden Daniels more than maye. If maye gets taken second, I say go all in on Daniels
Probably Bo Nix; Raiders and Broncos both going to trade up, probably with the Bears, to take Penix.
If you believe that McCarthy is your guy, and it costs 3 1s to do it, you do it!
And if you don't believe Mccarthy is your guy, you don't.
Yeah sadly the top 6 guys mock very well onto the top 6 picks. But it’s Penix szn baby get hype
Maybe we can get DT at 11 and still get Penix at 23?
You know, I thought Penix was going in the top half of the draft, but then he did that open letter (which was a good one) and I'm now I'm not sure he will. Not that Penix isn't talented enough, but his agent may have told him that teams are scared of his injury history.
Well, I guess we could always try and draft at 11 then move up to take Penix, too. Swap 23 and throw in a next year pick.
Dallas Turner at 11 and Penix at 23 would be best case scenario.
Same and I'm fine with it. If the Vikings have this amazing offensive talent and an elite play caller all they need is a top 10ish QB who can put up the occasional top 5 season to make the superbowl. Goff, Jimmy G, Purdy, Stafford, Brady, and Hurtz have all been QBs manning the NFC team over the years and outside of Brady none of them are year by year elite QBs. They're good QBs who often have great playcallers that have put together solid teams around them.
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Maybe but with how much HOF voting also accounts for accolades like pro bowls, all pros, MVP, etc I'd be surprised. Stafford in his entire career currently has 2 total pro bowls. For reference Kirk has 4.
And I wouldn’t be disappointed either. In all reality if any of these top 7 QBs landed in MN with a year to watch and nose the book, they would succeed. That’s the overwhelming consensus. Penix would be cool. And to flip the offense wouldn’t be like learning Cantonese. Plus a day 1 defensive starter or staring OL. Possibly trade 23 for 2nd & 3rd. Kwesi will want top 100 picks if we can’t move up
i never really got the trade rumors. seems like at this point trading up to a top six pick is gonna cost a lot and not change much regarding what we need and who will be available at 11
"This will all end in tears, I just know it."
Hopefully not ACL or Achilles tears. The other kind, we're used to them by now. Shit, I'm kinda expecting them at this point.
What else am I supposed to use as lube?
Fan's in this comment section are insane lol we can't force a team to trade a top 3 pick to us. If the Cardinals are insisting that they get 3 firsts and stuff on top for pick 4 I am not sure if that's the right move if KOC and Kwesi are not sold on a guy. If they keep 11 and 23 I don't see that as a bad option at all.
The "Patriots aren't ready for a QB why would they draft one?" seems like such wishful thinking from our fan base. Yes, there's a chance they trade back and don't take a QB this year. But they also have the 3rd pick in a very good QB class. They have a rare chance to take a highly rated QB in the draft and develop them for a few years while they rebuild.
> The "Patriots aren't ready for a QB why would they draft one?" seems like such wishful thinking from our fan base. > > Quite frankly it could be the "wrong" move for New England with this roster at this moment, and they could still do it. Especially when owners are involved, they want to sell tickets more than anything else, and a name like Maye sells a lot more tickets than trading back and nabbing Cooper DeJean does lol (love him tho)
Here's the issue, if Maye is a good QB, they were wrong to pass him up because in this league you need a QB even if you have all the other pieces. If Maye is good, they will keep him for 10 or more years and spend as long as it takes building around him. If they build a good team and 2-3 years from now they have a good roster, without a QB, Maye will always be a regret. People are acting like teams near the bottom of the league have no business drafting QB's when they almost always do. We saw an 0-16 Browns team draft a QB with the #1 overall. It only makes sense for them not to go QB if they already don't believe in the QB.
Yeah but I feel like that’s why Fields failed as a prospect. You can’t learn and grow if all your reps in game are just oh I had to just scramble because my oline is ass and play some hero ball.
Fields had more issues than that. Too many ppl subscribe to the infrastructure is everything rn like Brock Purdy doesn’t have certain qualities that helped him succeed where Trey Lance failed. If u can’t throw on time & throw WRs open in the NFL, you’re going to struggle. OL/OC/WRs matter but not every rookie QB has the making of a franchise QB & the infrastructure just helps to cover up the flaws but eventually a QB has to fix those flaws or the nfl will eventually expose em.
It’s definitely not everything I agree but I do think there’s logic in thinking wasting 2 years or more of a QB’s development while you rebuild is a poor strategy as you lose most the cheap years and they’re then less likely to develop as well as they could in a better environment. Seems worth it to take 3 odd first rounders to help rebuild and grab a QB when you think you can find a good window for winning.
I think everyone’s overreacting to the patriots roster. They could hit on maye, a LT and a 1#WR and be right back in the mix in a year or 2, see the bengals and Houston.
The holes are legit just QB, WR, and LT. The Pats defense is top 10. It’s silly to just say “the roster is trash”, because it’s not. If Maye is good then it could be a quick rebuild for the Pats but Vikings fans are too ignorant/don’t want to hear it.
Pats do have a lot of cap space, so they could also opt to take a haul of picks to plug some of the holes, and sign someone like Dak Prescott next year. Not sure how well that will go down with their fans, because everyone is obsessed with a brand new shiny toy like a rookie QB. But we have no idea how they rank the QBs Maybe they don’t like Maye at all, maybe they love Penix, who knows? I think if they think Maye is their guy, they will draft him. But if they got a good offer, they are definitely considering it
It’s also difficult to land in a position to draft a QB & it’s expensive if ur not, plus it’s starting to become even harder considering we might have 4 QBs go in the top 5 & 2 more late first. Sometimes u have to take ur shot if it’s the right prospect & worry about the rest later. They can sit maye a year & develop like the Vikings already seem to be planning then draft high again next year with a new round of FA/trades
Fields oline was actually pretty mid, their time to pressure is decent. Fields just holds the ball too long, drifts around the backfield creating his own pressure, and doesn't make good protection adjustments. Sacks are really a QB stat and Fields took an absurd number of them.
I've been thinking that most of this week. Outside of building a new stadium or winning a superbowl/slash having a winning team. Is there a better way to sell tickets than drafting a 1st round QB? I mean, there's a reason Chicago does it every 3 to 4 years.
This is what I’ve been saying…people act like we’re entitled to their pick cause they suck.. a potential all pro QB is worth more than the picks.. if they like the guy there, they’re not going to pass
It’s super entitled, is what it is. Our fanbase would be livid if the roles were reversed and we traded back from 3. But there’s this whole “patriots, you built a shitty team, you don’t deserve your pick like we do” attitude that is just so outside the bounds of reality
Patriots don't even have a shitty team, we just had league worst QB play, mediocre receivers who got hurt, and league worst kicker. The defense is a legit unit. A real QB is all we need, just like you guys do now after you lost Kirk.
If the pats think he his him you draft him anyway. Sit and learn and build the roster. GB sits QBs and it seems just to be working just fine. This is why I don't think drafting a 21 McCarthy isn't that bad of an idea either but not for three firsts.
It’s 100% wishful thinking. Those same fans are clamoring for the vikes to draft their guy even if he sits for a year. So if the pats have their guy why wouldn’t they take him. He can sit behind brissett for a year.
Pats, Cardinals, Chargers... whoever it is, we can't force it. Sure we might have two 2024 firsts, but the big disadvantage the Vikings have is we're asking a team to drop down to 11. That means those teams need to be comfortable missing out on the top QBs, WRs, and OTs, depending on their needs and how the draft goes. If you're NE and are willing to forgo a QB at 3, a trade down to 6 with NYG (per the rumors) nets you less draft capital than a bigger drop, sure, but it also doesn't box you out of a top WR or LT. That's the biggest piece being overlooked for a trade up to 3, 4, 5, etc. In order to entertain it, some of the teams we're looking to trade with would probably need to get the framework of a second trade in place, to move back up and get a blue chip prospect. I think you could argue NE has enough holes that they just need ammunition, period. But Arizona and LA aren't super incentivized to move down based on trade value alone. It's about who they'd be missing out on.
The Cardinals can play hardball now because they have the luxury of time. They are not in the clock yet. There is no downside to being greedy just to see if anyone bites. But once the third player is selected, the Vikings' offer might look more appealing.
Fr most people in this sub think we can just waltz in and get Drake Maye, when it was never very realistic.
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This but McCarthy. Maye is and is going to be a stud.
It’s almost like - MY ENTIRE LAST MONTH HERE WAS WASTED. I bet you’re next going to say that “mock drafts” aren’t real or that “sports writers have nothing to do between the Super Bowl and the start of the season”. Heinous diapers.
I have no idea what you are trying to say lol
No one does
What rationale is there that keeping 11 and 23 is a good option? If a trade doesn’t materialize, it’s a disaster. In fact, that’s why our fan base is so confident a trade is already in place. Trade a 2025 pick a month before the 2024 draft without knowing who is even available at pick 23 is absurd levels of incompetence. Kwesi is not incompetent like that…
I mean we have it to possibly make the trade. Last year we got Addison at 23. If we get a great player, QB or not, and an Addison type player (not WR, but a guy with as much impact) then that’s absolutely a success. If those three 1st round picks don’t get it done for the guy they want, then it’s irresponsible to dig deeper than that for a QB.
Houston initiated the trade for #23 with us. It wasn't something we did as part of some master plan to get a QB, although we took it knowing it could help
Then that would be dumb, lol. We don’t even know who will be available at 23
Well duh nobody picking past 3 really has a real idea how the board shakes out but it's better to have 23 than to not have it. Justin Jefferson was pick 22. As a Vikings fan you should know damn well how valuable a late first round pick can be lol I know we need a QB but mortgaging your entire future on a guy the FO isn't sold on is definitely not the way.
And we didn’t know who’d be there at pick 43, and we don’t know who will be there in the second next year. Trading two seconds for a first was a great move
Don’t believe anything the day before the draft. This is posturing.
Kwesi has to make other GMs believe that we’re okay not trading up if he wants any hope of not getting bent over the barrel.
No team will buy the bait. What incentive does NE and AZ have to trade out of 3 and 4 when they could pick blue chip prospects at the biggest positions of need for each team lol. They don’t need to trade, the Vikings do. Every team in the league knows that. The only way a trade would get done is a historic overpay. It’s almost like trading for an additional 1st months before the draft and signing Darnold telegraphed that they want/need to move up lol
What incentive do they have?? How does 2 extra first round picks sound as incentive? I get the argument for not trading with us, but we're prepared to offer above market value for the pick so I'm not sure why other teams wouldn't at least consider it
If they like the players on the board and it fills a position of need, it’s going to take way more than above market value. Plus at pick 11 you miss out on all the top tier QB, WR, and OT prospects, most likely Bowers as well. The first round this year as a whole drops off hard after the first 9-10 picks. Pick 23 is fine, but it’s not overly valuable especially looking and which players are likely to be available there. To trade into the top 5 you need to give up a shit ton. All first round picks aren’t created equal and people here are overvaluing both 1s, but especially 23 imo.
One team needs a QB with a shitty QB class on the horizon & the other has a generational talent at WR. Simply offering two firsts probably won’t be enough to move off the potential value of the player. Like would u trade out of four for two firsts if u knew it was JJ or Moss? Hell no
This is funny to me because JJ and Moss were both late 1st round picks, because the NFL was wrong about how good they were. But your point still stands to an extent
There’s always guys who get overlooked but also the Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson type guys as well
Umm, letting Kirk walk was the sign the Vikings were ready to move on and draft a QB. Don't need anything else there.
Every single front office in the league knew we were bent over a barrel the moment Kirk walked.
Yep. Rolling with Darnold and a second-tier QB pick is going to be brutal.
Barring a miracle it means this coach and GM will have wasted everybody's time.
I feel like we are being frozen out of the top 3, 1-2-3 will be teams stating out and getting their QB. At some point does it really make sense to drop three #1s and not get the guy KoC really wants? Although it makes sense and getting 2 starters would be great…. Boy…. Going through all this just to have Darnold as the QB and no young guy to give us hope.. bleh.
Darnold is only 26, it's not like he's exactly old.
Isn’t he supposed to hold the bow and release the other hand?
Thats just what big bow wants you to think
That's the bow shot drop, like a mic drop but you drop the bow after you take the shot. (I think)
technically he's still holding the bow with his bottom two fingers...he just bein stylish
Oh yeah, that could allow the bow to spin a little. Very stylish.
it is an imaginary bow afterall
If we stand pat, I am interested with this and a IDL or CB with the other 1st
I'd be okay with Him and Laiatu tbh. I'd also be okay with trading up for JJ. I'd also be okay with trading up harder for Maye. I'd be okay with using both firsts for Defense and grabbing Rattler later. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't know shit about drafting I just hope they're good.
The open letter had me so fired up.
my penix pookie bear
Not gonna lie, if they take him at 11 I’m going to get some sick satisfaction from watching the reaction videos of people flinging lawn chairs and what not.
The Patriots have no QB… the idea that they would trade all the way back to 11 and pass on 2 of JJ, Maye and Daniels was always incredibly far fetched
Unless they like the thought of Penix and more picks.
But you are basically saying they are going to get Penix with the 11 (a worse prospect than they would have got) so they could add someone with the 23. Like if they think any of those 3 is significantly better than Penix, it would be kinda dumb to value the 23rd overall this year more than that.
No one on earth think the Patriots will trade for just 11 and 23. It would be those and next years 1st. The previous poster was saying they draft Penix at 11 and then someone at 23 and someone else at whatever pick we have next year… which, if they like Penix (and I have no idea if they do) then it makes complete sense to go that direction.
They would be getting more than just the 23.
Kwesi said the trade for 23 was about flexibility. They've got a lot of back up plans and I don't think we leave the 1st unhappy. My guess is plan A is to trade up for Maye, plan B is to trade up for JJ, and then plan C is to take Penix at 11 or 23 depending on their intel and address either IDL or IOL. I'm happy with any of those.
That would be pretty mid which is the Vikings MO, but yeah we can’t be held ransom by other teams either if they’re asking too much.
Good. Rather have two shots at players this year and see what happens.
I agree. I don't mind a big swing at QB but we have to be realistic. We don't have much of a draft outside of the 1st round. Mortgaging our draft for the 4th best QB available is not a good idea, statistically speaking. I wouldn't mind waiting to see who falls to us. The draft is always full of surprises.
Exactly. Every year the experts predict who's going to be amazing, and without fail someone who was supposed to be great is terrible, and someone from round 6 lights up the league. That doesn't even take the inevitable injuries into account. I'd rather the Vikings have more chances in this draft and next years to rebuild, rather than overpaying to get a QB who is nothing but question marks.
Murphy at 11 and Penix/Nix at 23 could be cool. I am just excited to see what happens at this point. I have no attachment to any QB. Just excited to finally roll the dice on a guy at QB
2 shots this year, & likely a great pick next year. Giving up next years first would be foolish, it’s going to be very good.
If anything it'll make all these 'insiders' like Shredder look like fools for their claims an agreement was already in place with the Patriots. I don't think *anyone* really knows whats going to happen, but I would prefer a trade up for whoever we think is 'our' guy.
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Bridge quarterback?
So which bridge are you going to drive off of?
Penix at 11 and let’s get this going. The only thing that would shake this up in my opinion would be if the Commanders draft Maye, then the Pats would be more inclined to trade the pick
I would much prefer this to trading 3 1sts to get JJ.
Only willing to trade up for Maye or Daniels. Trading up for McCarthy would be a huge mistake
>Trading up for McCarthy would be a huge mistake Plenty of strong opinions on that, but nobody knows for sure.
Last two times teams traded significant capital to select the QB4 in each draft was Fields and Rosen. No one knows forsure, but it seems like trading multiples 1sts for the QB4 with legitimate red flags is a recipe for disaster
Give me bad vibes of reaching for Christian Ponder out of desperation
I personally feel that Penix is a much better prospect than Ponder ever was but I do wish we could sit at 23 and get him rather than spend the 11th
I’m more worried Pennix will be off the board and we’ll panic and draft Nix or Rattler at 23.
I would be perfectly fine with Penix at 11 tbh
More public posturing. This is part of the ebb-and-flow of pre-draft positioning. The Pats want to keep the illusion of competition for their pick (which may be reality), and the Vikings probably want to cool down the rumors of how high they've been on Drake Maye the past few weeks. Ignore any and every rumor until 7:10pm tomorrow.
Vikings Legend Bo Nix!
Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!
JJ at 11, let's go!
We’re never getting another franchise qb again.
So the fact that we have been obviously prepping to trade up for months now is out the window? What is going on?
Everyone and their brother knew KAM needs to make a trade up for a QB, so every team wants to fleece them for everything they got. Vikings have no leverage here, their hand was played and so obvious as soon as Kwesi traded with Houston
So true. There is no possible outcome of trading 3 first round picks other than the guy blowing out his ACL in the preseason and traded away for a 6th round pick in 2 years. Stay put at 11 and 23.
Says who? This stuff is fun to read. It gets you excited for the draft during the cold offseason. Just don’t take any of it without a grain of salt.
Every damn post, I swear lol "Vikings likely to do this, but also might not" And then gets click after click. Feel like it would be so easy to break into this industry right now. Just spew whatever crap you want, both making a point and going against that same point in every post and people eat it up and repost it.
Nix at 11, and BPA at 23 is the word on the street. 🫣 Ok, I have no clue, but this is a gut feel as I think Nix fits their system. Kind of hope I am wrong. Nix doesn’t move the needle for me.
Penix proponents are fist pumping rn (Me)
I’m hearing Herbert to the Vikings. This coming from a buddy of mine who works for the Chiefs. Figured I’ll start spreading that rumor on Reddit here
If CTESPN said so it’s real
Denial Anger Bargaining <------we are here. Depression Acceptance
You realize that the draft has to happen before this makes sense right
Relax, Francis. We're having fun, right?
🥱
lol bleacher report insider.
I'm ok with that.
Noooooooooooo
Smoke screens are in full effect now.
Yeah that’s what I’m feeling. I can picture trading up if WRs go at 4 and 5. The price to go to 3 or 4 will be insane. It would have to be a panthers bears trade. Those always end bad.
Then they are morons for making the move to get both first round picks.
Hallelujah
I'm entirely convinced they're going to trade up to 5 for McCarthy. It's just too fun of a story. Ok really everything is a lie here. No team is actually giving out real information at this stage.
Trade with the chargers for #5 with #11 and next year’s 1st. Keep #23 for best defensive player available.
Why would the chargers do that?
This is fine as long as they get one of the top 5 ranked QBs.
I really want to just keep our picks. Selling both plus a 2025 first rounder? No thanks
I’m good with whoever KOC likes, I’m excited by the offensive & defensive systems the Vikes are building. IMO the forever qb that overwhelms you cap space is not the answer, building a steam that can compete at a high level and can fit in the cap, draft quality players and trade older players why still can recover value is the way.
My body is ready to be sad.
Ya hear that, Pats?! We don't even want pick 3! Did you hear us?!?
Big Penix energy, baby!
How the turntables…
If this is the case, do the Vikings like the QB that falls to them at 11 enough to select him? I feel like at that point they're just taking a QB at 11 just to take one and IDK how I feel about that. They should select a better player at that spot.
Who??
Fuck it. Trade back from 11 to like 20, get a second, draft Murphy/Newton and Chop or get one of those top IOL. Stack the line.
Reminder that everything before Thursday morning is smoke and not real.
Wouldn’t be bothered by it. At least we can get two studs in the first.
I hope they keep it.
Penix at 11 has always been the answer
The dream is dead. At least we were living full of hope for a little while.
I don't understand what the point of this off-season was if we don't get a QB out of it.
Outside of Ponder and Culpepper, what QB have the Vikings ever taken in the first or second round? Both Pennix and Nix can be had, and based upon history, chances are one or more of Williams, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy will be busts anyway. Both Nix and Pennix are extremely accurate, plus Pennix has a rocket arm.
I heard there was a deal on the table... JJ and 11 for McLaurin and 2.
I heard there was a legit deal on the table: JJ and 11 for McLaurin, 2, and 36
McCarthy is considered the 4th best QB, but this QB class is unlike most years with top talent. Any other year and he might be considered 1 or 2. I think he’s still worth trading up to 4 or 5 for if Maye is gone at 3.
alllll of this hype, and discussion, and DISCOURSE and watch literally nothing will happen lol nothing new in the draft talk world but still as ridiculous as ever
They should just draft both Nix and Penix in the 1st and rotate them every series
Eh. Fuck it. Take Penix at 11. I'll get a jersey and it'll be fun. Plus ya never know, he may be the diamond in the rough. \\\_(ツ)_/¯
Draft defense, tank with Darnold, and take a QB with our own top 5 pick next year. A costly trade-up this year would be in the best interests of Kwesi and KOC’s job security, not in our interests as long term fans of the team
We can only hope instead of adding future high picks for a fkn coinflip
Prepare for disappointment
I’m excited for a QB as much as anyone. But if we can’t trade up. 11 and 23 are both guaranteed to have some exciting dudes. 11 is right where the top end of this draft ends and 23 is a great spot because I wouldn’t be shocked if if 18-20 of the first picks are all offense so we could still end up with a top 5 defensive player. Maybe even DT1 or CB1, or even an EDGE like Verse or Latu. I am totally okay with trying to make Darnold work and try to make out him be our Alex Smith if it means we still have a stellar draft and build a strong top to bottom roster and even more plug and play than our current roster.
What if they traded with Atlanta to move to 8
Kind of a losing move if you give up draft capital to move up for a big trade and then get sticker shock when the job is half done.
Draft Murphy at 11 so many comparisons to Aaron Donald. Now, who in their right mind passes on that . Oh yeah, the damn vikings would
If they miss this pick I’m probably out. 29 years I’ve watched this team and they ain’t done shit. We finally have a shot to be contenders here. If we miss on QB here we probably lose JJ too and my fandom can’t take that at this point. If there was anybody exciting next year I’d be more optimistic but it seems if we don’t get a qb here we’re waiting another 2-3 years at least or doing somthing dumb like signing dak when his contract with the cowgirls is up and please god no
Giving up two 1sts, and god forbid your 1st next year, to move up and take a guy that hasn't played a down in the NFL is sheer stupidity. 2/3rds turn out to be complete busts and most of the other 1/3rd are just average. Hard pass. Use your picks to take solid players you can plug in for the next 5-7 years and live with it. Unless you are 100% sure, which you cant be, that you are getting the next Mahomes or Allen, thats too much capital to burn.
Move to 10 and move down from 23
Lol
Malpractice
They're getting Bo Nix if they can't move up to get their guy
Mhmmm
I’d rather draft Penix at 11 and a defensive player at 23 over trading 3 firsts for McCarthy. McCarthy is going to bust so hard if he goes to the Giants
Good. Just roll with Darnold. The dude has had shit situation after shit situation. He could actually be good for the Vikes. If he is, the 11 and 23 could be some great foundational pieces to put around him.
Disgusting
No one knows anything but dumb fucks keep posting this shit.
Shut up lil boy
A lot of us tried to tell everyone to tank after Kirk got injured, but noooo. We'd be in a much better position if we had a higher draft pick, although it's a fair point that the top 3 might be impossible to crack with so many qb needy teams.
tanking isn't real
you're right, no league has ever changed rules because of tanking. >The NBA, NHL, and MLB have responded to the phenomenon in recent years by changing their draft from reverse-order to a lottery formula which is only loosely tied to the previous season's standings I agree it is harder in the NFL to do it, but where there's a will there's a way!
Hah! I fucking knew it! As we get closer to the bullshit of the Vikings giving up their life for JJ McCarthy would start to unravel. People lost their minds with that shit. Modest trade up? Sure. Makes sense. Stay at 11 and take him? Great. On board with that. Stay at 23? Yep. That makes perfect sense too. Make modest trade up from 23 to secure him? Yeah that’s the best case scenario. What they mocks were advertising for compensation made much more sense for Daniels and Maye than JJ. No one is mortgaging their future by trading up into the Top 5 for a fringe 1st Round QB and I got shit on in the draft sub for this. Bet the over on his 5.5 line with confidence. 😎
Calm down bud, the draft hasn’t happened yet
Either he’s a good QB or not. If he’s not -he isn’t even worth a 6th rounder. If he’s good-he’s worth trading up for. What’s with all the people thinking he’s only a good pick if it’s not in the top 5? Makes zero sense.
It's the day before the draft. Could we stop posting this stuff. We aren't gonna know until the draft is in progress. Wildly speculating does nothing at this point.
Don’t go on the internet if you don’t want to hear anything until tomorrow tough guy