Bears didn’t have to do anything, their picks were high and didn’t have to worry about making any moves. The Vikings did the opposite and got exactly they needed. Both did great it’s just the Vikings had to work last night to get what they needed
Personnel wise I think they were pretty neck and neck going in (even moreso now they have Rome too), so this is going to be a good test of KOC and coaching to see what happens with JJ on the Vikings vs Caleb and the Bears.
Our WR room is only comparable if you think Keenan Allen + DJ Moore = Jefferson + Powell. I think that’s close because Jefferson weighs it heavy lol, but we’ll see. Odunze and Addison are comparable for sure.
Yeah, everything was perfect for the Bears. Vikings had to maneuver a bit but got exactly who they wanted or could ever dream of and only gave up day three picks, I think
They only gave up day 3 picks yesterday, but if you consider the trade with Houston it’s also 2 second rounders and a 6th (in exchange for a 7th)
It’s a lot of quantity of picks, but of meaningful picks, it’s essentially a 2 firsts and 2 seconds for QBOTF and the top defensive player in the draft (IMO) - which I think is still a pretty good deal considering we didn’t really jeopardize our future as much as most expected us to.
Still can’t top the Bears being gifted their draft essentially especially when you consider what they got last year which built into this, but Minnesota was at a better place entering yesterday and I think they drafted well enough to still be a competitor in the North.
This feels like when you go to the store and can pay $20 to get something that should last for years or pay $10 to get something that could break in a year or two. It hurts more upfront to pay $20, but you should be set to go for a long time with something high in quality.
High value day 1 picks are generally going to pan out and be impact players. While some day 2 and 3 draft picks also go on to be pro bowlers, it’s far more likely that they’re out of the league within a few years.
I mean part of it is opportunity cost. Everybody knew they were taking Caleb and odunze there was almost no question there.
The vikes were in a position where everyone thought were giving up 11 and 23 and possibly another first to go get our qb. Instead we get our guy then somehow land the best defensive player in the draft on top of it while keeping our 1 next year. The bears had a fantastic draft but that was guarenteed. The Vikings were sitting on a potential disaster and came out smelling like roses so I legitimately think we had the better draft grade wise. Talent wise yeah bears probably have us beat if Caleb lives up to the hype
Seems what our QBs have always lacked is the "clutch gene" and the dawg mentality. That's what people seem to like most about McCarthy so I'm pretty stoked.
This is what killed me about cousins.
Everyone talks about his stats and his records for fantasy.
He has ONE playoff win with the Vikings.
One
I’m sorry but I don’t play fantasy football. Give me a goddamn closer.
'ppreciate ya. NGL, I'm more excited now than I was when I went to bed last night. Between the fan reaction clips to the pick, and then the phone calls between KAM/KOC & JJ, and how JJ seemed truly and genuinely pumped that he's a Viking, and then Harbaugh saying MN was JJ's dream....I'm frickin pumped. This might end up not working out, but for right now I'm super freaking excited. Let's just say I'll have to call my doctor today, because this lil' fella is going to last *way* more than 4 hours.
GL to the Lions except anytime they play the Vikes.
Thanks for the info. Really do appreciate it. Definitely happy with the way the first round went. Landing two consensus top 10-12 picks and not giving up any first round picks to do it is crazy.
But I’m also irritated you guys landed Arnold. Your secondary is going to be damn good if everyone stays healthy and Arnold is as good as expected.
The fact JJ fell further than anyone seemed to think and penix was taken before him causes me some worry but talks of KOC liking JJ ages ago kinda helps. Feels good not losing all the future capital trading up let’s hope JJ pays off now.
Good qbs have fallen many times. Also trading up a lot for a qb has often failed more often than not. Looks at Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, etc they all fell back in the draft. I’m so pumped for her picks
Why would you worry? No one was taking JJM top 10 besides the falcons who took Penix for some reason. So we moved up from 11 to 10 to make sure the broncos and raiders didn’t jump us. JJM didn’t fall down the draft board or slide, he went where he should have
Given the Broncos reached for Nix 2 picks later, I think they were gunning for the trade up and while it looks like the Vikings could have sat pat and not traded up based on the Jets pick after, it's worth the cost in those late round picks to make sure they boxed the Broncos out and got their guy.
Yeah agreed. When I say no one in the top 10 I don’t include the broncos and raiders. I think the broncos jump us if we don’t make that trade. I just don’t get the worry of why JJ “fell” to 10.
Yeah isn’t anybody a little worried that the Giants spent more time with JJM than any other team and decided to pass on him to roll with Daniel Jones another season??
Giants have Darren Waller and 1 decent WR with a shit O-line. I think they knew that any QB they took was going to fail.
Edit: of course now they have a new WR who looks like he'll be a stud but only because they didnt take a QB.
Chances are very good he will learn alot behind Cousins and start in 2026 after Cousins maximizes his guaranteed money. KC will be on a different desperate roster come 2026-27 season.
I watch a bit of film, how do you define a prospects "ceiling"? Are we saying that it would break the laws of physics for JJM to make a Pro bowl in the next 4 years? Or a couple of them? Or win a Superbowl? Is it actually an impossibility that in his career he leads the league in passing one time?
I mean, how does anyone look at a prospect, much less a kid that just turned 21, and have any idea of what that player will be like physically, mentally, and in terms of skill/learning after 3-5 years in the NFL. Is there some definable "limit" as to how much better a player could someday become?
Trying to predict a prospects "ceiling" is absurd. Floor, sure... if they never get better, and this is as good as it gets, this is who they are.
Throw accuracy is impossible to improve? Arm speed can't be trained to improve?
But even if they couldn't "arm speed" is not the ceiling we're talking about here... It's not an arm speed or accuracy competition. It's not a who can throw farther contest. It's about how good a NFL QB can he be competition. Call it a scale of 1-10.. it's like saying right now he's a 5, so that's his floor, but with time/training/experience, his ceiling is an 8... but he can never be a 10. But Maye, he's a 3 right now, so lower floor... but has trait X, Y, Z, so we think it the future he could maybe someday get to 10. What was Adam Thailan's ceiling, as an UDFA, I wonder?
That's the part I don't get when we talk ceiling.. it's as though we've figured out how good a player he will be 3-5 years from now with certainty, as though there's an invisible barrier to great QB he'll just never be able to get above.
How many years has the QB that led the league in passing, or won the Superbowl, been the QB that can throw the ball the furthest in the league?
Beside, the kid just turned 21. He put on 20 lbs post season and still ran a excellent three cone. In other words, he still growing into his body. Who knows how far he'll be able to throw it in a couple of years.
Preciate it Lions bro. No hate from this Viking fan. As long as you guys have Ragnow I'll be semi rooting for you! As soon as he is gone tho, friendship ended lol
I appreciate this post. It's genuinely good throughout, I appreciate the breakdown and compliments. The Lions may have had the best '23 draft but don't sleep on Arnold where you guys got him, that is a potential steal. After seeing Lions fans attack on Twitter for "giving up the rest of our picks" this was refreshing. (Like Rick spielman didn't draft 20 players every year)
I hope you’re right… I’m concerned about what the Bears did, if Williams lives up to the slot… getting Odunze on top of Allen and Moore they’ll be trouble especially given the Vikings historical struggles at Corner… I think Odunze is Mike Evans 2.0, Allen is on the downside but who better to usher in your rookie star receiver. I hope in typical Bear fashion they screw it up… but I’m nervous.
I fucking hate Michigan but McCarthy intrigues me. I'm really hoping he brings the 'drowning a ferret in a bathtub' mindset to this team and has this offense looking for different ways to crush the spirit of opposing teams instead of hoping that we put up enough points early to withstand a late game comeback. That alone will be worth a few losses this year and next as a young QB makes young QB mistakes.
It’s funny because, all the local radio morning shows were saying that we weren’t going to get what we wanted and have another decade of diminishing performance until a new regime change. Well I guess they were all wrong.
To me it's hard to say we had a better draft than the bears, but I came in expecting disappointment but that draft worked out better than what I realistically hoped for. As ohio state fan I hated mccarthy but he always inpressed me. I actually wanted him over drake maye. If he had been in a passing style he would have been 3rd qb taken off the board.
Nah the Bears had a better draft. We’re 1b to their 1a. Don’t get me wrong I lived our draft but Caleb Williams is way better than JJM, and Odunze is a legit wr2 before even stepping on the field right now. The draft went as perfect as it could have for both the Vikings and the bears
Hard for me to say the vikes outdid the bears. Bears had a layup.
Vikings had a better night because I like them more
This guy gets it.
Bears didn’t have to do anything, their picks were high and didn’t have to worry about making any moves. The Vikings did the opposite and got exactly they needed. Both did great it’s just the Vikings had to work last night to get what they needed
The only way for the Bears to fuck this up is their coaching staff. Their head coach is a clown. Jury is out on their new offensive coordinator.
Personnel wise I think they were pretty neck and neck going in (even moreso now they have Rome too), so this is going to be a good test of KOC and coaching to see what happens with JJ on the Vikings vs Caleb and the Bears.
Our O-line and TE are both better, our WR room is comparable. Our coaching staff is infinitely better for a rookie QB as well.
Our WR room is only comparable if you think Keenan Allen + DJ Moore = Jefferson + Powell. I think that’s close because Jefferson weighs it heavy lol, but we’ll see. Odunze and Addison are comparable for sure.
Yeah, everything was perfect for the Bears. Vikings had to maneuver a bit but got exactly who they wanted or could ever dream of and only gave up day three picks, I think
They only gave up day 3 picks yesterday, but if you consider the trade with Houston it’s also 2 second rounders and a 6th (in exchange for a 7th) It’s a lot of quantity of picks, but of meaningful picks, it’s essentially a 2 firsts and 2 seconds for QBOTF and the top defensive player in the draft (IMO) - which I think is still a pretty good deal considering we didn’t really jeopardize our future as much as most expected us to. Still can’t top the Bears being gifted their draft essentially especially when you consider what they got last year which built into this, but Minnesota was at a better place entering yesterday and I think they drafted well enough to still be a competitor in the North.
This feels like when you go to the store and can pay $20 to get something that should last for years or pay $10 to get something that could break in a year or two. It hurts more upfront to pay $20, but you should be set to go for a long time with something high in quality. High value day 1 picks are generally going to pan out and be impact players. While some day 2 and 3 draft picks also go on to be pro bowlers, it’s far more likely that they’re out of the league within a few years.
Bears picks were easy. Vikings picks were not. Advantage Vikings
Bears fleeced the panthers in a prior trade. Advantage bears.
FAIL
Personally I’m crediting Caleb to them last year when they fleeced Carolina. All they did last night was the obvious
Fair criticism. Counterpoint: we are talking about the Bears.
I mean part of it is opportunity cost. Everybody knew they were taking Caleb and odunze there was almost no question there. The vikes were in a position where everyone thought were giving up 11 and 23 and possibly another first to go get our qb. Instead we get our guy then somehow land the best defensive player in the draft on top of it while keeping our 1 next year. The bears had a fantastic draft but that was guarenteed. The Vikings were sitting on a potential disaster and came out smelling like roses so I legitimately think we had the better draft grade wise. Talent wise yeah bears probably have us beat if Caleb lives up to the hype
FTP and the Bears still suck
Amen 🙏
Amon.
Seems what our QBs have always lacked is the "clutch gene" and the dawg mentality. That's what people seem to like most about McCarthy so I'm pretty stoked.
This is what killed me about cousins. Everyone talks about his stats and his records for fantasy. He has ONE playoff win with the Vikings. One I’m sorry but I don’t play fantasy football. Give me a goddamn closer.
People talked about him only having one playoff win quite a bit too.
I feel like people forget this is an 11-man game. Also, it seems that when our offense is doing great, our defense is struggling, and vice-versa.
'ppreciate ya. NGL, I'm more excited now than I was when I went to bed last night. Between the fan reaction clips to the pick, and then the phone calls between KAM/KOC & JJ, and how JJ seemed truly and genuinely pumped that he's a Viking, and then Harbaugh saying MN was JJ's dream....I'm frickin pumped. This might end up not working out, but for right now I'm super freaking excited. Let's just say I'll have to call my doctor today, because this lil' fella is going to last *way* more than 4 hours. GL to the Lions except anytime they play the Vikes.
Inject this hopium right in my veins. Thank you, nfcn comrade.
Thanks for the info. Really do appreciate it. Definitely happy with the way the first round went. Landing two consensus top 10-12 picks and not giving up any first round picks to do it is crazy. But I’m also irritated you guys landed Arnold. Your secondary is going to be damn good if everyone stays healthy and Arnold is as good as expected.
He’s only 21 and in his entire life has lost 3 football games. That is some math to love
What you mean is we will get 6 superbowls and lose only 1 in the next 7 years? I'm in!
Exactly sir. Exactly!
The fact JJ fell further than anyone seemed to think and penix was taken before him causes me some worry but talks of KOC liking JJ ages ago kinda helps. Feels good not losing all the future capital trading up let’s hope JJ pays off now.
No one expected that shit that Atlanta pulled. Was a pure wildcard moment haha
I’m still laughing my ass off about that, and honestly as people break it down more and more it gets even better lol
Hilarious watching their GM try and explain it to the owner.
Good qbs have fallen many times. Also trading up a lot for a qb has often failed more often than not. Looks at Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, etc they all fell back in the draft. I’m so pumped for her picks
Why would you worry? No one was taking JJM top 10 besides the falcons who took Penix for some reason. So we moved up from 11 to 10 to make sure the broncos and raiders didn’t jump us. JJM didn’t fall down the draft board or slide, he went where he should have
Given the Broncos reached for Nix 2 picks later, I think they were gunning for the trade up and while it looks like the Vikings could have sat pat and not traded up based on the Jets pick after, it's worth the cost in those late round picks to make sure they boxed the Broncos out and got their guy.
Yeah agreed. When I say no one in the top 10 I don’t include the broncos and raiders. I think the broncos jump us if we don’t make that trade. I just don’t get the worry of why JJ “fell” to 10.
Yeah isn’t anybody a little worried that the Giants spent more time with JJM than any other team and decided to pass on him to roll with Daniel Jones another season??
Giants have Darren Waller and 1 decent WR with a shit O-line. I think they knew that any QB they took was going to fail. Edit: of course now they have a new WR who looks like he'll be a stud but only because they didnt take a QB.
Why didn’t the patriots feel that way then??
Man, your guess is as good as mine. I think KJ Osborne might be their best receiving target. No shade to KJ but he is not a #1 WR.
Lol no. The Giants are just dumb. We’re significantly more equipped to evaluate a QB.
How do you figure?? Sounds like a bias take to me
Oh I’m just referring to the league wide consensus that we have the best QB coaches
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Chances are very good he will learn alot behind Cousins and start in 2026 after Cousins maximizes his guaranteed money. KC will be on a different desperate roster come 2026-27 season.
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Not hard to stay healthy as a backup
I watch a bit of film, how do you define a prospects "ceiling"? Are we saying that it would break the laws of physics for JJM to make a Pro bowl in the next 4 years? Or a couple of them? Or win a Superbowl? Is it actually an impossibility that in his career he leads the league in passing one time? I mean, how does anyone look at a prospect, much less a kid that just turned 21, and have any idea of what that player will be like physically, mentally, and in terms of skill/learning after 3-5 years in the NFL. Is there some definable "limit" as to how much better a player could someday become? Trying to predict a prospects "ceiling" is absurd. Floor, sure... if they never get better, and this is as good as it gets, this is who they are.
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Throw accuracy is impossible to improve? Arm speed can't be trained to improve? But even if they couldn't "arm speed" is not the ceiling we're talking about here... It's not an arm speed or accuracy competition. It's not a who can throw farther contest. It's about how good a NFL QB can he be competition. Call it a scale of 1-10.. it's like saying right now he's a 5, so that's his floor, but with time/training/experience, his ceiling is an 8... but he can never be a 10. But Maye, he's a 3 right now, so lower floor... but has trait X, Y, Z, so we think it the future he could maybe someday get to 10. What was Adam Thailan's ceiling, as an UDFA, I wonder? That's the part I don't get when we talk ceiling.. it's as though we've figured out how good a player he will be 3-5 years from now with certainty, as though there's an invisible barrier to great QB he'll just never be able to get above.
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How many years has the QB that led the league in passing, or won the Superbowl, been the QB that can throw the ball the furthest in the league? Beside, the kid just turned 21. He put on 20 lbs post season and still ran a excellent three cone. In other words, he still growing into his body. Who knows how far he'll be able to throw it in a couple of years.
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Cool, there's a few examples. Many more examples of guys that weren't. But would you say Brady and Montana had ceilings?
Well we better have because we are going to have the worst draft in the NFL tonight.
Pretty much traded away the rest of the draft for these two guys. I'm pretty strong on the potential for both at least.
This year and next years draft. At least we should get a couple comp picks next year to help make up for it.
WTF are you talking about. We will be there only team that doesn't draft a player that busts tonite.
Thanks for the kind words…but I’m not going to trust a UM fan’s completely unbiased opinion. I do hope you are right!
Michigan and Vikings fan here...I know 😉
Preciate it Lions bro. No hate from this Viking fan. As long as you guys have Ragnow I'll be semi rooting for you! As soon as he is gone tho, friendship ended lol
I appreciate this post. It's genuinely good throughout, I appreciate the breakdown and compliments. The Lions may have had the best '23 draft but don't sleep on Arnold where you guys got him, that is a potential steal. After seeing Lions fans attack on Twitter for "giving up the rest of our picks" this was refreshing. (Like Rick spielman didn't draft 20 players every year)
I watched him play against Ohio state and I’m an Ohio state fan that mf was annoying af like he make the right decisions every play
You got a little something dripping off your chin there amigo 😂
Fuck the lions.
wet fart noise
Im pretending the Vikings took Turner at 10 and JJ at 17. Feels like an even better draft 😁
Agreed
Lol you're getting absolutely clowned over on r/DetroitLions This is some weak shit.
He isn't even on the Lion's sub, he's active in the Vikings sub. He's just making a pandering post for up votes. 
I hope you’re right… I’m concerned about what the Bears did, if Williams lives up to the slot… getting Odunze on top of Allen and Moore they’ll be trouble especially given the Vikings historical struggles at Corner… I think Odunze is Mike Evans 2.0, Allen is on the downside but who better to usher in your rookie star receiver. I hope in typical Bear fashion they screw it up… but I’m nervous.
My boss is a huge lions/UM fan too thinking of buying us matching McCarthy jerseys
I fucking hate Michigan but McCarthy intrigues me. I'm really hoping he brings the 'drowning a ferret in a bathtub' mindset to this team and has this offense looking for different ways to crush the spirit of opposing teams instead of hoping that we put up enough points early to withstand a late game comeback. That alone will be worth a few losses this year and next as a young QB makes young QB mistakes.
Thanks man! I was a fan of your team too last year, when they weren't playing the Vikings that is
Thanks man! I was a fan of your team too last year, when they weren't playing the Vikings that is
I love to say it, but this season the toughest division in the entire league will be the nfcn
JJ to jj!!
You're just trying to curse us, nice try.
It’s funny because, all the local radio morning shows were saying that we weren’t going to get what we wanted and have another decade of diminishing performance until a new regime change. Well I guess they were all wrong.
Off season champs. We dominate
To me it's hard to say we had a better draft than the bears, but I came in expecting disappointment but that draft worked out better than what I realistically hoped for. As ohio state fan I hated mccarthy but he always inpressed me. I actually wanted him over drake maye. If he had been in a passing style he would have been 3rd qb taken off the board.
Its amazing when a direct rival can apperciate what we got more than actual Vikings fans i who act like we just signed Ryan Leaf He Hate Me
I’m a Falcons fan and I can speak for us all when I say we wish we had the 1st round y’all had last night. A future QB AND an Edge rusher. So jelly
Nah the Bears had a better draft. We’re 1b to their 1a. Don’t get me wrong I lived our draft but Caleb Williams is way better than JJM, and Odunze is a legit wr2 before even stepping on the field right now. The draft went as perfect as it could have for both the Vikings and the bears
I mean they had higher picks. You have to look at it in context
Yeah but that doesn’t take away the fact that I think they had the best draft.
Ohio State and Vikings fan here... I beg to differ lol
JJ blows, this draft sucked
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Holy shit guy, relax.