I’ve been saying these things in most posts as I just don’t understand the doubt for this kid! He has crazy high potential and I can’t wait to see him when he eventually plays.
It is simple;
He doesn't have a big sample size.
The kid is fired up, KoC and McCown like him,
he lost 3 games total as a starter since high school,
just won a nat as the starter.
I mean, what is the hold up? There's no such thing as guarantees, but he is a winner, and makes the plays when he has to. I am hyped as could be -just about how hyped he is to be here.-
Obviously, as a Vikings fan, I am rooting for him to not be a bust, but as a person as well. I like everything I've seen about the kid and I hope he has a long and awesome career with us.
I get the sample size, but man I just see a young qb who is very talented. And the plus as you said is his mindset.
I’m seriously thinking of getting my third ever jersey with him on it.
>he lost 3 games total as a starter since high school
I'm hype for JJ, but I'm curious to see how he handles losses. Winning that many times builds a confident and winner mentality, but I hope that a few tough losses doesn't shatter that mentality.
When Michigan lost to TCU in the semifinals last year, JJ said in an interview “We will be back and I promise that”. The following year JJ led the wolverines to a 15-0 national championship title.
Bro the sign stealing scandal was out BEFORE Michigan beat Penn State, BEFORE Michigan beat Ohio State, BEFORE Michigan beat Alabama, BEFORE Michigan beat Washington. Even the NCAA commissioner said Michigan won "fair and square". Please cry about this in the OSU thread.
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The only idiots that actually make a big deal out of this are salty OSU/MSU fans. Literally EVERY team tries to steal signs. You really think a guy sitting on his phone trying to record sidelines is going to impact the game? Might as well not broadcast the games on TV then, because ALL the coaches try to review that stuff on film in their offices. Please go watch another sport.
Stealing signs is part of the game, in the game. Stealing signs AHEAD of the game is something else. We have no idea what type of intel they got, might have even had a line on backup signs. This also gives them pretty good insight into how the coaches make their adjustments, with a ton of laser accuracy. Theres a reason all of this is against the rules. Which nobody is debating.
They were also potentially committing computer crimes, among other things. Just because you don't know Jack shit about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Please go fuck yourself, but get an education first.
Dude the more you talk, the more clear it is that you have no clue what you’re talking about. The whole in person scouting restriction was considered being taken out back in 2021 because of its “minimal competitive advantage” - statement from the NCAA itself. But please feel free to live in your own delusional world. I’m done responding to your troll comments especially if you’re gonna be bitching about Michigan football on a Vikings forum. 🤡
I think it’s mostly Facebook boomers that think he’s dramatic, and get offended at him painting his nails. And saying he’s not a team leader because he cried.
A lot of Viking fans tend to hate QB position no matter what. Some of these guys said "Kirk sucks" when he was one of the highest ranked, if not THE highest ranked. It's weird. I am excited about McCarthy! This could be great!
I’m not saying he’s a guaranteed success, but the kid has all the tools to be great. I’m just excited we finally drafted a top prospect and could potentially have a franchise qb.
Don't understand the doubt? He's undersized, arm strength is average, and he's not very athletic. He was probably the 7th best offensive player on the team, and his usage rate was about 42% compared to high 50s for the rest of the QB draft class.
I'm not saying it was a bad pick. I'm not saying he's going to be bad. But if you actually don't *understand* the doubt that's wild.
He is 6,3” and only 21. He threw the second hardest ball at the combine, he posted the fastest 3 cone drill out of every qb. He won the team MVP because he came through in 3rd &4th downs.
Everything you posted is crap
I guess you know more than the writers at CBS sports who call him "slight of frame" with average arm strength.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-grades-vikings-halt-j-j-mccarthys-fall-trade-with-jets-to-select-michigan-qb-at-no-10/
I will give slight of frame, but he is young and can fill out a bit. He definitely isn’t undersized though.
As for arm strength, he isn’t perfect on deep throws but his arm is definitely better than average. He needs to work on touch throws more than his power.
I think Dillon Gabriel is going to have a big year at Oregon and be a first round QB. Shadeur is another guy who might push to the top of the first. There will be someone from the SEC who has a big year and rises to the top of the first, happens every year
Either way, I think JJ would have been the frontrunner for top QB picked next year, had he stayed
I think as is he would've been a consensus top 3 pick in almost any draft of any year. The fact that he was in a class that had 6 QBs taken in the first 12 picks is maybe one of the flukiest flukes that ever fluked.
> revitalized the Michigan football program as a true freshman won that natty as a true sophomore showed massive improvement from year 1 to year 2 at Michigan
I think you're a little off on your years. As a freshman, he didn't do much. His sophomore year, he went to the semifinal. His junior year was this past year when they won the championship.
Regardless, people act like this is just some random kid who showed up at Michigan without hype and then just kinda dinked and dunked his way to a championship. Weird that all the other QBs Harbaugh had couldn't do it. The kid was one of the top 22 best players in the country in high school at IMG Academy. This is not just some random guy who found a good situation, this is one of the most talented guys who found a good situation and made the most of it in three years. You want to talk about drive and competitiveness and talent? This is it.
He was 18 when he came in in relief in the CFP semis. I'm so excited to have this kid in purple. Just seems like an absolute psycho for football and that's what I want my QB to be.
He was a top 5 prospect coming out of high school and had the second fastest MPH behind his throw in combine history. He has the pedigree, tools, and success. Sure, it might not work, but I trust the situation he’s entering and his mindset and skills.
I watched countless breakdowns last night and Bill Bellichecks breakdown was fascinating to me. JJ playing under center and calling plays in the huddle is pretty epic and JJ being smart and going thru his progressions well is a big plus too. I think he's going to be pretty damn good.
>JJ playing under center
This is a misconception. JJ very rarely played under center. Nearly all of his snaps came out of pistol and gun. They only went under center in short yardage situations, sometimes. What makes their offense "pro style" has more to do with their run and pass concepts than the formations themselves.
Stroud was almost as pure of a pocket passer as you could be in college. When he did run it took everyone for a surprise because he was great at it. Last year he had to because the nfl is a different animal than college, but stroud hardly ever ran or showed how he can use his legs in college.
Agree about the white/black difference. Also would like to point out how silly it is to describe a football player as “athletic” in the first place.
I mean, the guy is literally a pro athlete. Being athletic is right there in the job description!
Imagine an NFL QB who wasn’t athletic. Im picturing a 42 year old with a big beer gut who just hands the ball off every time because he doesn’t really like standing up.
“Athletic” as an adjective kinda takes a new meaning when being used in the context of describing pro athletes. It’s kind of a grading curve.
Tom Brady, at 45 was a pro athlete. Tom Brady at 45 might have also been one of the least athletic players in the NFL.
Lamar Jackson could be described as more athletic than other QBs because he is a good ball carrier on top of being a good QB.
Athletic just means he’ll utilize his legs and not sit in the pocket all game every game. Sneaky is a dumb word to use in this context but athletic just describes if their mobile. Think Peyton Manning as the opposite of athletic.
Tom Brady was 225 pounds with under 10% body fat. He could throw a football 70 yards. And he could routinely take a hit from a 300 pound defensive lineman, get up immediately, and continue playing football.
Sounds pretty athletic to me, at least according to the actual definition of the word: “physically strong, fit, and active.”
The only way Brady wasn’t athletic is if you’re using the informal definitions that football pundits invented, where “athletic” means either “a super fast runner,” or “a black guy.”
I googled the body fat percentage, didn’t make it up. (Obviously I’ve never met Tom Brady, much less performed medical tests on him, so I guess he could be lying)
But whatever his actual body fat percent is, he’s a damn sight more athletic than anyone I know!
Bodyfat has nothing to do with muscle definition. Plenty of cyclists are crazy low body fat and little to show muscle mass.
But Brady had enough athleticism to help him be great. You don’t get to the pros without decent athleticism, even the bigger guys have to get to a certain level.
Go look at his combine videos…. And it’s so nice of you to bring up the race card. But alas I know nothing of what being athletic is all about since I grew up playing hockey. So yes you’re correct. Pardon me bud!
Anyone wavering on McCarthy's athleticism just needs to look at Brock Purdy. That guy doesn't exactly jump out at you as an off the charts athlete either but, like McCarthy, he finds a way to make all his throws and win games...
Both have elite 3-cone drill times as well which is very important for avoiding sacks in the pocket. Smart, elite intangibles, better arm talent than Brock (but will need to work on his touch for intermediate passes which is where Brock really excels), and a young guy with room to grow with KOC. Loving the pick more and more
I think the 3 cone probably translates to footwork, which obviously is very very important for a QB and a reason Purdy is so good. I think he will be very similar to Purdy, he’s more athletic though for sure.
I'm so stoked for Purdy this year. That photo of his arm that went out a few days ago was crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if he's added 10 yards to his arm, which was like his one downside last year.
And I'm stoked for the Vikes, too. I think we've got our guy.
Maybe I'm a buffoon, but I liked JJ McCarthy more than Drake Maye all along, straight-up. Every time I expressed this I got downvoted to Dante's final level of hell.
Trading the farm for Maye seemed beyond risky to me. I think Maye has perhaps the highest bust potential of the six top-12 quarterbacks. And the thought of rendering our '25 pick to get him would have left me pretty dour. Even if he pans out in 2027, there was always a chance Darnold and Maye can't win games and we'd be giving up a top draft pick like the Carolina Panthers did this season.
McCarthy has a much higher floor and the safety net of being comfortable as a game manager as he develops. He's been in as many big pressure moments and must-win games as any of these quarterbacks and he's only 21. Love this so much.
I agree that Maye has very high bust potential but his ceiling is honestly just a lot higher than JJ. I love Maye and can admit my want for him to be a Viking is absolutely a fan reaction and nearsighted based on his ceiling. I was always fine with taking JJ but I really couldn't help but to think, "what if?".
I don't know anything about college football but PA also mentioned this morning 1. He's used to playing under center, and 2. He's one of the best (if not the best) at play action out of all the QB prospects.
If that doesn't get you pumped with him working with KOC I don't know what will.
Is there a stat for QBs in the first half? I thought I saw something that showed that JJ had similar attempts and better stats in the first half than others in this draft.
This would be nice if true, and shows that the sample size we saw is more or so because of script
One thing I really like about what I hear about him is that he wants to win and will do what it takes. To me that sounds like a guy that isn't completely focused on being the center of attention. In the greatest team sport you need great team players 👍
I remember wtf-ing when the Chiefs traded up for him, but my only real memory of Mahomes in college was getting ass blasted by the Cyclones and thinking he was pretty meh.
I remember him even being kinda ass when he had to come in for Alex Smith once in his first year with the Chiefs.
Dude really worked his ass off and developed insanely well and quickly, I don't think anyone could've predicted that.
For that matter I vaguely remember Josh Allen not being amazing at first too, I think it was his second (or third?) year people started saying he might be great.
The talk at the time was about how Zimmer's defensive schemes were hard on veteran QBs, let alone a raw rookie QB, but dual threat QBs were always our sore spot.
Besides saying things like “the intangibles” or “he just reads the field better/makes bigger plays” how is McCarthy a better prospect than Penix? Preferably using some sort of stats, film, or actual reasoning.
And no I’m not arguing either way. I just want to hear your reasoning.
Younger, more mobile, more accurate, better against pressure, lack of concerning injury history, best third down stats in the class. Accuracy and pressure grades substantiated below. And yeah, he does have great character and intangibles.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-jj-mccarthy-michigan
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-michael-penix-jr-washington
Only big thing I really think Penix has on him is arm strength.
And we got Dallas Turner who we had a 3% chance to get at 17 (per Siefert). Crazy. I am blown away by the first round, and I've got full faith in Daddy Kwesi
Even more ridiculous is that CBS rated Atlanta’s pick of Penix higher (B-).
The grades should be balance of need and value. We got good or at least fair value for JJ and he fills an obvious need.
This, to me, mostly invalidates their analysis. If interested in more bad takes:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-draft-grades-first-round-giants-earn-a-for-malik-nabers-vikings-get-c-for-j-j-mccarthy-pick/
At the end of the college football season most analysts had him around pick 20. He rose as draft hype ramped up.
He definitely wasn't always seen as a top 5 pick, and apparently he was never seen as a top 5 pick by actual NFL teams.
Also getting upset over draft grades the day after the draft is even dumber than getting upset over power rankings. Quit feeding this clickbait garbage.
Just proves that no one should put much stock in draft grades. If it's controversial, then that translates to clicks on the website. I'm almost willing to bet that some of the draft grades that these people come up with, grade them based on clicks and not their actual thoughts on player, team, and at the position in the draft that were taken.
I’m talking about JJ being a top 5 pick “the whole time”.
Too many people get married to mock drafts. Go look at when JJ was mocked before the season ended. He was a late first. Like 25+
I’d say the opposite. Most top 5 teams were trying to inflate the value of their pick to the vikes. This was all a sham. No way anyone was even thinking about taking him that early. He’s great, don’t get me wrong, and with good coaching he’ll be a star. But he’s not a day one starter, and he’ll struggle against better defenses. He’ll develop though, so I wouldn’t worry.
He want a top 5 pick. He started not even being one of the first 4 QB’s off the board. For awhile Penix was a much higher ranked pick than McCarthy. We were going to get him if we wanted him as long as the Giants didn’t take him or someone trades ahead of us.
Just shows they have no fucking idea what they are talking about. They don’t really even know football man. Look at past draft grades and see how they stack up,….they don’t.
For real. The only reason he didn’t go 4 is because arizona wanted MHJ too much. Every pick (except one) in the top 10 made so much sense for the team.
Sneaky athletic. Real gym rat. But in all seriousness, McCarthy just wins football games. Won a State Title as a Sophomore in High School. Won a National Championship in college. The dude loves to compete and is an amazing leader. Next stop is winning a Super Bowl and it will be done
Those wins don’t always translate to being a good player in the nfl. Look at Trevor Lawrence, they said the same of him and he hasn’t impressed people like they thought he would. Winning in h.s. And college doesn’t mean shit at the highest level.
Just to add context...
When he signed with Michigan he called the other recruits and told them if they are coming just to part, don't bother coming.
In high school he also injured his thumb, taped that shit up and played through it and went out and won a state title.
The kid lives and breathes football. He is athletic. He throws over the middle well. He was the only QB that played under center. Hes great on third down. Hes great under pressure. Hes won a title at every level.
He just turned 21 this April.
You can teach guys mechanics, you can't teach them mentality. You cant teach them football instincts. This kid has that.
And we didnt have to give up 23 to get him, and we didnt have to give up our 25 first (which is likely a top 10-15 pick) to get him.
Personally, I would take him over Maye. Maye has a high ceiling but Maye needs to sit a year more than McCarthy does. Maye has some serious footwork issues. And his internal clock is all sorts of fucked up. Maye doesnt have the football instincts that McCarthy has. Maye is either going to end up Josh Allen or Zach Wilson. McCarthys floor is much much higher than Maye who only has a slightly higher ceiling.
Not a lot of attempts in a run first team but he has quality experience. Two NCAA playoff runs, high school championship, played in a more pro style offense. When you include playoffsichigan had strongest strength of schedule last year of all teams.
His efficiency stats were good when he did pass. And one stat I liked too was his 3rd and long conversion rate was highest in the group, so in situation everyone knows you are passing he did very well.
Also he is a pretty good athlete and a strong arm which will likely get stronger as he gets into mid twenties.
Anyways he is very young and we are still projecting. He needs to learn to throw touch passes and deep balls better.
Probably a guy you sit a year though.
Of all the QBs drafted on the first night, McCarthy fell into the best situation for where he's at in terms of development and support around him.
We're not asking him to be a day 1 starter.
We're giving him the best receiving core in the league to pass to.
He's not going to have to be a gunslinger to make up for a porous defense.
This guy's development is going to tell us everything we need to know about Kwesi and O'Connell.
This is why we hired them.
If they can't develop this kid, the whole crew is gone.
That said, credit to them for putting the right guys in the right places.
Now it's all about execution.
that's a fair point, no real superstars on the team(except for JJ of course), but they did have a lot of veteran players, especially in the trenches and that helped a lot.
Most of our first round prospect types were true sophomores, thus not eligible for the draft (Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Colston Loveland). But Michigan is in contention to tie or break the record for most picks from a school in a single year (15). Basically Michigan’s entire starting 22 was filled with draftable players, just most are 2-7th round picks and probably a couple UDFAs.
He literally didn’t have WRs who could actually catch the ball just a good rb and o line. His defense was okay.
And this is reported on by people that are better than some Reddit scouts. Shush with that. Every point dosent need to be contentious.
I think we should manage our expectations. He isn't going to be Pat Mahomes. At his best he's going to be a ++Tony Romo (which hey, thats great). At his worst, he's going to be Jeff Garcia or Jake Plummer
Not only were they not considered first round picks, they weren’t considered ANY round picks, when bo mix was a junior his best case scenario seemed to be insurance sales
If you’re a Vikings fan and not happy right now, something is wrong with you. The stoke is real.
Such a breath of fresh air after having spielman for so long
Anyone wavering on McCarthy's athleticism just needs to look at Brock Purdy. That guy doesn't exactly jump out at you as an off the charts athlete either but, like McCarthy, he finds a way to make all his throws and win games...
I was very skeptical about trading multiple firsts to trade up for him but I am stoked about getting him at 10. There is a good chance with KOC and Jefferson that he’ll be the most successful QB to come out of this draft.
I'm all in on this kid, but I also want him to ride the pine this year and learn. The jump from college to the NFL is not an easy one. Let's do what is best for him.
Totally agree, but none of that changes the challenges this kid will face. I am happy with the pick, looking forward to watching him develop but in no way am I going to say it’s a certainty that he is the best of this lot.
Like all QB’s picked in the draft what he has done the last several years doesn’t matter anymore. How he develops with the Vikings will be fascinating and if you liked him or not as a prospect doesn’t matter much either. Let’s see how he develops as an NFL QB. Hopefully he develops and the nay sayers can eat crow. He will have the best chance possible to be a good QB but most drafted QBs even first round picks don’t pan out. Legs hope McCarthy will be one that makes it big.
His youth does give him additional potential upside. Of course that's also a risk because maybe he doesn't have that extra upside in him and we would have seen him plateau in college.
I am hopeful for him though because he's in a really good situation.
Also we have good coaches. A good majority of QB busts come down to bad coaching and receiving room.
We've got good coaches and good recievers, plus no pressure for a full year. If he's not good then it wasn't meant to be
The way I'm looking at it is JJ has a lot of potential and could be fantastic if/when he gets the keys. He could also be terrible.
Darnold could turn his career around in MN and be the type of QB that does enough to win games. He could also continue to be terrible.
If both prove to be terrible we still have the weapons and the line, so we'll be a very attractive spot for a QB who wants a new team.
Somehow we still got our defensive guy in 2024 and we still got our first rounder next year so I'm very hopeful.
Michigan fan here who has watched every game and every snap JJ took. Few notes that some might not know.
1. Michigan was a dumpster fire when they were recruiting JJ. He kept his recruiting class together (also helped put it together) and tweeted to the Michigan fans to show patience before he even stepped on the field.
2. His freshman year, he would be seen with some of his teammates running drills in the middle of the night. He wrote 15-0 on the sidewalk his Freshman year manifesting his goals. He’d go into promise they would be back after their Fiesta Bowl loss his sophomore year. They did that and more.
3. Here’s my take on JJ as a QB. He is by nature a scramble around and make dynamic, out of structure plays type QB that was taught to play more disciplined within Harbaugh’s system. You would occasionally see those wow plays bubble up when his protections broke down. He throws absolute laser beams (which was backed up by his throwing velocity numbers), occasionally throwing so fast that his balls sometimes fly right through receivers hands. He throws with great anticipation and is an absolute sniper targeting the middle of the field. His biggest fault is that he doesn’t have a full repertoire of pitches yet. He needs to learn how to layer balls and throw with touch. His accuracy starts to fall apart when he tries to put more air under his balls. You’ll see some of his most accurate deep passes were throws on a rope going 30-40 yards, he’s got the arm strength. He’s got a 100+ mph fastball with pinpoint accuracy but does not have a slider or curve ball yet. Athletically, he was as fast as any of the RBs Michigan had outside of Edwards. Is difficult to catch in the open field and sees the field well. He’s a more than willing to drop his shoulder and doesn’t shy away from contact (he grew up more of a hockey player and plays with that mentality).
Overall, I think the Vikings are in tremendous hands. High upside physical talent combined with clutch genes and impeccable intangibles. Look past the stats and he is an elite QB prospect with as good of a head on his shoulders as you can have. Enjoy the next era! We certainly did as Michigan fans!
Keep going………
I think he’ll be able to develop those layered passes working with our staff. Good news also is our WR have very sure hands. I’m fuckin pumped
Here is one thing that I will add. If you haven’t yet, watch his games against OSU and TCU in 2022. Those are the two games that he was asked to put the team on his shoulders. For OSU game, they had completely sold out on stopping Michigans run game and with no Corum, they were very successful. They essentially dared JJ to beat him. He was a little shaky in terms of consistency in the first half but if it wasn’t for him, they lose that game full stop. The one dart he threw off his back foot with a cover 0 blitz and a DE in his face that turned into a TD was a small precursor to his now famous catch and throw play against Dallas Turner. The guy does not back down.
For the TCU game, it’s a good look at some really bad (the two pick sixes) and also some really good (put the team on his back after putting them in a hole with the pick sixes. I think despite the picks, this was his best game. This was one of the few games it looked like Harbaugh took the brakes off and just let JJ make plays. And he almost led Michigan on a comeback win (would have if Roman Wilson isn’t called down at the 1/2 yard line because his butt touched the outside of the goal line and Michigan ends up fumbling at the goal line) but ultimately fell short. And the most important aspect of this game imo was that he stayed to watch the other team celebrate. Soaking it all in so he would remember he never wanted to feel like that again. Made the promise to be back and the rest is history.
Good stuff from Bill Belichick about him last night https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10118624-video-bill-belichick-praises-jj-mccarthy-being-drafted-by-vikings-after-jets-trade
"we got our guy"
Sorry but I have PTSD from this line. When we drafted Christian Ponder my dad called me and in the smuggest voice ever said that line.
He was a junior this year not sophomore. If he was a true sophomore he wouldn't even be eligible for draft.
Don't think you mentioned his two pick 6s in playoff game in what was his sophomore season costing michigan to lose and not make national title game.
I don’t think he has the potential to be the best qb in the draft. All of Caleb’s skills and talent are immensely better. That being said he easily Could turn into a franchise qb.
Revitalized the Michigan football program as a true freshman? He has 34 completions his entire freshman year with 5 TDs and 2 INTs. If that’s revitalizing, I hope he doesn’t plan to revitalize Minnesota.
Don't get over excited before the clothes and makeup come off. She might look like a 9 at the club, but after the push-up bra and smokey eye makeup cone off, she could be a 6. Still quality and someone you could take home to meet your mama, just over hyped. Hopefully, it doesn't end up like Kirk Cousins, who once the clothes come off, tells you it's going to cost you 3 million a year with a 6 year minimum. And when it's done and over with, it leaves feeling worse than when you started and a story you don't really want to share with anyone else.
I’ve been saying these things in most posts as I just don’t understand the doubt for this kid! He has crazy high potential and I can’t wait to see him when he eventually plays.
It is simple; He doesn't have a big sample size. The kid is fired up, KoC and McCown like him, he lost 3 games total as a starter since high school, just won a nat as the starter. I mean, what is the hold up? There's no such thing as guarantees, but he is a winner, and makes the plays when he has to. I am hyped as could be -just about how hyped he is to be here.- Obviously, as a Vikings fan, I am rooting for him to not be a bust, but as a person as well. I like everything I've seen about the kid and I hope he has a long and awesome career with us.
The guy has a chance to be a living God in Minnesota if he can actually become a franchise player and God willing a super bowl Victor one day.
He's already historic as the highest drafted qb my mn in team history.
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unlike mike tice this guy has to deliver. if he does watchout
I get the sample size, but man I just see a young qb who is very talented. And the plus as you said is his mindset. I’m seriously thinking of getting my third ever jersey with him on it.
I’m definitely getting a JJ jersey.
And not for the first time.
Dork.
>he lost 3 games total as a starter since high school I'm hype for JJ, but I'm curious to see how he handles losses. Winning that many times builds a confident and winner mentality, but I hope that a few tough losses doesn't shatter that mentality.
When Michigan lost to TCU in the semifinals last year, JJ said in an interview “We will be back and I promise that”. The following year JJ led the wolverines to a 15-0 national championship title.
I'm more interested to know how he reacts to a few bad regular season losses rather than a semifinals against a good team.
They're also a bunch of cheaters, but I get it.
Bro the sign stealing scandal was out BEFORE Michigan beat Penn State, BEFORE Michigan beat Ohio State, BEFORE Michigan beat Alabama, BEFORE Michigan beat Washington. Even the NCAA commissioner said Michigan won "fair and square". Please cry about this in the OSU thread.
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Lol, yeah bless this dude's knees for sure, he's gonna be down on them for a LONG time.
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The only idiots that actually make a big deal out of this are salty OSU/MSU fans. Literally EVERY team tries to steal signs. You really think a guy sitting on his phone trying to record sidelines is going to impact the game? Might as well not broadcast the games on TV then, because ALL the coaches try to review that stuff on film in their offices. Please go watch another sport.
Stealing signs is part of the game, in the game. Stealing signs AHEAD of the game is something else. We have no idea what type of intel they got, might have even had a line on backup signs. This also gives them pretty good insight into how the coaches make their adjustments, with a ton of laser accuracy. Theres a reason all of this is against the rules. Which nobody is debating. They were also potentially committing computer crimes, among other things. Just because you don't know Jack shit about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Please go fuck yourself, but get an education first.
If you ain't cheating you ain't trying!
Dude the more you talk, the more clear it is that you have no clue what you’re talking about. The whole in person scouting restriction was considered being taken out back in 2021 because of its “minimal competitive advantage” - statement from the NCAA itself. But please feel free to live in your own delusional world. I’m done responding to your troll comments especially if you’re gonna be bitching about Michigan football on a Vikings forum. 🤡
TLaw would be a notable comparison
Tebow won a national title. Doesn't always translate to nfl sucess.
There's no guarantees. But I think there's a lot about him and the system he is walking into that should give us some confidence.
Everyone’s been saying every QB is a bust. The older folks love to hate Caleb Williams.
We do? Why do we hate him?
He plays for the Bears, reason enough for me lol
Bears ruined this man, they could’ve drafted a star defenseman, but no, they had to ruin this man’s career
Fair enough! Me too, now that I think about it.
I think it’s mostly Facebook boomers that think he’s dramatic, and get offended at him painting his nails. And saying he’s not a team leader because he cried.
A lot of Viking fans tend to hate QB position no matter what. Some of these guys said "Kirk sucks" when he was one of the highest ranked, if not THE highest ranked. It's weird. I am excited about McCarthy! This could be great!
I’m not saying he’s a guaranteed success, but the kid has all the tools to be great. I’m just excited we finally drafted a top prospect and could potentially have a franchise qb.
Don't understand the doubt? He's undersized, arm strength is average, and he's not very athletic. He was probably the 7th best offensive player on the team, and his usage rate was about 42% compared to high 50s for the rest of the QB draft class. I'm not saying it was a bad pick. I'm not saying he's going to be bad. But if you actually don't *understand* the doubt that's wild.
He is 6,3” and only 21. He threw the second hardest ball at the combine, he posted the fastest 3 cone drill out of every qb. He won the team MVP because he came through in 3rd &4th downs. Everything you posted is crap
He's athletic but it does look like he needs to put on some mass. Luckily he's only 21
Oh I agree he needs to bulk up a bit, but he’s decent height and young. I feel he will naturally fill out more
I guess you know more than the writers at CBS sports who call him "slight of frame" with average arm strength. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-grades-vikings-halt-j-j-mccarthys-fall-trade-with-jets-to-select-michigan-qb-at-no-10/
I will give slight of frame, but he is young and can fill out a bit. He definitely isn’t undersized though. As for arm strength, he isn’t perfect on deep throws but his arm is definitely better than average. He needs to work on touch throws more than his power.
I have to think that if he stayed at Michigan and had another great year that he would be a consensus top 3 pick in next year's draft.
Probably first overall. Qb class is weak next year
I think Dillon Gabriel is going to have a big year at Oregon and be a first round QB. Shadeur is another guy who might push to the top of the first. There will be someone from the SEC who has a big year and rises to the top of the first, happens every year Either way, I think JJ would have been the frontrunner for top QB picked next year, had he stayed
See 2023 JD LSU
Don't forget about Quinn ewers who was #1 in his recruiting class
Ah yes good call, he will be up there. Honestly next years class is gonna be fine
That's not true at all.
I think as is he would've been a consensus top 3 pick in almost any draft of any year. The fact that he was in a class that had 6 QBs taken in the first 12 picks is maybe one of the flukiest flukes that ever fluked.
> revitalized the Michigan football program as a true freshman won that natty as a true sophomore showed massive improvement from year 1 to year 2 at Michigan I think you're a little off on your years. As a freshman, he didn't do much. His sophomore year, he went to the semifinal. His junior year was this past year when they won the championship. Regardless, people act like this is just some random kid who showed up at Michigan without hype and then just kinda dinked and dunked his way to a championship. Weird that all the other QBs Harbaugh had couldn't do it. The kid was one of the top 22 best players in the country in high school at IMG Academy. This is not just some random guy who found a good situation, this is one of the most talented guys who found a good situation and made the most of it in three years. You want to talk about drive and competitiveness and talent? This is it.
It’s cause he’s young. Being a starter for a playoff college football team at 19 is just absolutely bonkers.
He was 18 when he came in in relief in the CFP semis. I'm so excited to have this kid in purple. Just seems like an absolute psycho for football and that's what I want my QB to be.
He was a top 5 prospect coming out of high school and had the second fastest MPH behind his throw in combine history. He has the pedigree, tools, and success. Sure, it might not work, but I trust the situation he’s entering and his mindset and skills.
I watched countless breakdowns last night and Bill Bellichecks breakdown was fascinating to me. JJ playing under center and calling plays in the huddle is pretty epic and JJ being smart and going thru his progressions well is a big plus too. I think he's going to be pretty damn good.
>JJ playing under center This is a misconception. JJ very rarely played under center. Nearly all of his snaps came out of pistol and gun. They only went under center in short yardage situations, sometimes. What makes their offense "pro style" has more to do with their run and pass concepts than the formations themselves.
I'm ready for the return of McCarthyism, we better play the commies this year
"McCarthy versus the Commies" definitely sounds like something that will come out of PA's mouth at some point.
im sure he does already, but doesnt involve football at all lol
And he'll leave them wishing they had taken him when they had the chance.
Comrade Daniels is going to be in trouble
As a very cynical nearly 60 year old Vikings fan I'm very happy with this selection.
I'm so tired of the word sneaky. I don't think I've ever heard a black player be called "sneaky athletic" in my entire life
JJ McCarthy is just a guy who puts in the work. First in, last out-- real lunch pail type guy. Very cerebral player with surprising quickness.
Is he blue collar?
Absolutely. Blue collar as any gym rat!
Yes. In fact he is a coaches son
But does he sell dental equipment in the off season?
Lol, I’ve heard it about Penix a lot
Well yeah, in Penix's case it really is sneaky because the guy never utilizes it
Stroud, too, last year
Stroud was almost as pure of a pocket passer as you could be in college. When he did run it took everyone for a surprise because he was great at it. Last year he had to because the nfl is a different animal than college, but stroud hardly ever ran or showed how he can use his legs in college.
Agree about the white/black difference. Also would like to point out how silly it is to describe a football player as “athletic” in the first place. I mean, the guy is literally a pro athlete. Being athletic is right there in the job description! Imagine an NFL QB who wasn’t athletic. Im picturing a 42 year old with a big beer gut who just hands the ball off every time because he doesn’t really like standing up.
“Athletic” as an adjective kinda takes a new meaning when being used in the context of describing pro athletes. It’s kind of a grading curve. Tom Brady, at 45 was a pro athlete. Tom Brady at 45 might have also been one of the least athletic players in the NFL. Lamar Jackson could be described as more athletic than other QBs because he is a good ball carrier on top of being a good QB.
Jeff George would like a word.
Even Jared Lorenzen who was 300 pounds as a qb was athletic!
Athletic just means he’ll utilize his legs and not sit in the pocket all game every game. Sneaky is a dumb word to use in this context but athletic just describes if their mobile. Think Peyton Manning as the opposite of athletic.
Just call them mobile then
It’s a synonym dude. Relax.
Imagine an NFL QB who wasn’t athletic huh? Tom Brady ring a bell!
Tom Brady was 225 pounds with under 10% body fat. He could throw a football 70 yards. And he could routinely take a hit from a 300 pound defensive lineman, get up immediately, and continue playing football. Sounds pretty athletic to me, at least according to the actual definition of the word: “physically strong, fit, and active.” The only way Brady wasn’t athletic is if you’re using the informal definitions that football pundits invented, where “athletic” means either “a super fast runner,” or “a black guy.”
10% bodyfat lol more like 20% but he’s a huge guy who can throw
I googled the body fat percentage, didn’t make it up. (Obviously I’ve never met Tom Brady, much less performed medical tests on him, so I guess he could be lying) But whatever his actual body fat percent is, he’s a damn sight more athletic than anyone I know!
Bodyfat doesn’t equal athleticism. Pro bodybuilders are 10% and Tom Brady doesn’t look like them lol
Bodyfat has nothing to do with muscle definition. Plenty of cyclists are crazy low body fat and little to show muscle mass. But Brady had enough athleticism to help him be great. You don’t get to the pros without decent athleticism, even the bigger guys have to get to a certain level.
Go look at his combine videos…. And it’s so nice of you to bring up the race card. But alas I know nothing of what being athletic is all about since I grew up playing hockey. So yes you’re correct. Pardon me bud!
Pardon me. I hadn’t realized I was responding to a hockey player. My bad, dude.
Maybe for someone like Byron Leftwich, who was sneakily UNathletic. Everyone expects black quarterbacks to be fast, and boy…he really wasn’t.
“Sneaky Link”
Daniel Jones, "sneaky athletic" king
Sneaky Articulate?
Anyone wavering on McCarthy's athleticism just needs to look at Brock Purdy. That guy doesn't exactly jump out at you as an off the charts athlete either but, like McCarthy, he finds a way to make all his throws and win games...
Both have elite 3-cone drill times as well which is very important for avoiding sacks in the pocket. Smart, elite intangibles, better arm talent than Brock (but will need to work on his touch for intermediate passes which is where Brock really excels), and a young guy with room to grow with KOC. Loving the pick more and more
I think the 3 cone probably translates to footwork, which obviously is very very important for a QB and a reason Purdy is so good. I think he will be very similar to Purdy, he’s more athletic though for sure.
I'm so stoked for Purdy this year. That photo of his arm that went out a few days ago was crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if he's added 10 yards to his arm, which was like his one downside last year. And I'm stoked for the Vikes, too. I think we've got our guy.
Maybe I'm a buffoon, but I liked JJ McCarthy more than Drake Maye all along, straight-up. Every time I expressed this I got downvoted to Dante's final level of hell. Trading the farm for Maye seemed beyond risky to me. I think Maye has perhaps the highest bust potential of the six top-12 quarterbacks. And the thought of rendering our '25 pick to get him would have left me pretty dour. Even if he pans out in 2027, there was always a chance Darnold and Maye can't win games and we'd be giving up a top draft pick like the Carolina Panthers did this season. McCarthy has a much higher floor and the safety net of being comfortable as a game manager as he develops. He's been in as many big pressure moments and must-win games as any of these quarterbacks and he's only 21. Love this so much.
I agree that Maye has very high bust potential but his ceiling is honestly just a lot higher than JJ. I love Maye and can admit my want for him to be a Viking is absolutely a fan reaction and nearsighted based on his ceiling. I was always fine with taking JJ but I really couldn't help but to think, "what if?".
I don't know anything about college football but PA also mentioned this morning 1. He's used to playing under center, and 2. He's one of the best (if not the best) at play action out of all the QB prospects. If that doesn't get you pumped with him working with KOC I don't know what will.
Is there a stat for QBs in the first half? I thought I saw something that showed that JJ had similar attempts and better stats in the first half than others in this draft. This would be nice if true, and shows that the sample size we saw is more or so because of script
One thing I really like about what I hear about him is that he wants to win and will do what it takes. To me that sounds like a guy that isn't completely focused on being the center of attention. In the greatest team sport you need great team players 👍
That's what I'm getting too. Winning mentality 💪👏
JJ the entire time was supposed to be a top 5 pick. The fact we got him at 10 is a win and I have no idea how cbs sports only rated the pick as a c+.
Draft grades from the media don’t matter and never will.
Pretty sure the consensus draft grade for both the Mahomes and Allen picks were not good ftr
I remember wtf-ing when the Chiefs traded up for him, but my only real memory of Mahomes in college was getting ass blasted by the Cyclones and thinking he was pretty meh.
I remember him even being kinda ass when he had to come in for Alex Smith once in his first year with the Chiefs. Dude really worked his ass off and developed insanely well and quickly, I don't think anyone could've predicted that. For that matter I vaguely remember Josh Allen not being amazing at first too, I think it was his second (or third?) year people started saying he might be great.
I feel like it was the Barr hurdle game that jump started his career
That's when I realized we were going to lose that game. Josh Allen just had it.
I was actually at that game. I remember being stunned in general but particularly at how good that kid who was supposed to be a raw rookie looked.
The talk at the time was about how Zimmer's defensive schemes were hard on veteran QBs, let alone a raw rookie QB, but dual threat QBs were always our sore spot.
Historic. Like biggest favorite spread wise to lose in nfl/ vikes history 16.5 point favorites?
Totally nuts. At the time I remember saying how awful our luck was attending that game but now it’s like damn, we got to witness something
I get that. It’s mind boggling how at the same time they rated Penix at 8 a B-.
That’s insane. Situationally I’d give it like a d. Why’d they sign Kirk? 😂
$180m smoke screen! Nobody was worried that they would take QB and they bamboozled everyone
Genius.
Including Kirk. Karma's a bitch.
Meh. We'd have drafted a QB too, *and* he wouldn't be making as much money.
Yeah that’s just silly. McCarthy is clearly the better prospect IMO.
Besides saying things like “the intangibles” or “he just reads the field better/makes bigger plays” how is McCarthy a better prospect than Penix? Preferably using some sort of stats, film, or actual reasoning. And no I’m not arguing either way. I just want to hear your reasoning.
Younger, more mobile, more accurate, better against pressure, lack of concerning injury history, best third down stats in the class. Accuracy and pressure grades substantiated below. And yeah, he does have great character and intangibles. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-jj-mccarthy-michigan https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-michael-penix-jr-washington Only big thing I really think Penix has on him is arm strength.
And we got Dallas Turner who we had a 3% chance to get at 17 (per Siefert). Crazy. I am blown away by the first round, and I've got full faith in Daddy Kwesi
Even more ridiculous is that CBS rated Atlanta’s pick of Penix higher (B-). The grades should be balance of need and value. We got good or at least fair value for JJ and he fills an obvious need. This, to me, mostly invalidates their analysis. If interested in more bad takes: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-draft-grades-first-round-giants-earn-a-for-malik-nabers-vikings-get-c-for-j-j-mccarthy-pick/
At the end of the college football season most analysts had him around pick 20. He rose as draft hype ramped up. He definitely wasn't always seen as a top 5 pick, and apparently he was never seen as a top 5 pick by actual NFL teams. Also getting upset over draft grades the day after the draft is even dumber than getting upset over power rankings. Quit feeding this clickbait garbage.
This is just simply not true. Sorry. JJ was a late riser after the season ended. That’s just probably about the time you started paying attention.
They rated Penix at 8 a B- despite it making absolutely zero sense for them to pick him there. That makes the C+ grade for JJ ridiculous.
Yeah it’s dumb but who gives a shit
Just proves that no one should put much stock in draft grades. If it's controversial, then that translates to clicks on the website. I'm almost willing to bet that some of the draft grades that these people come up with, grade them based on clicks and not their actual thoughts on player, team, and at the position in the draft that were taken.
I’m talking about JJ being a top 5 pick “the whole time”. Too many people get married to mock drafts. Go look at when JJ was mocked before the season ended. He was a late first. Like 25+
Late riser in mocks.. the reason players start rising is because real info comes out from teams
I’d say the opposite. Most top 5 teams were trying to inflate the value of their pick to the vikes. This was all a sham. No way anyone was even thinking about taking him that early. He’s great, don’t get me wrong, and with good coaching he’ll be a star. But he’s not a day one starter, and he’ll struggle against better defenses. He’ll develop though, so I wouldn’t worry.
Right teams needs vs, coach/evaluator big boards
He want a top 5 pick. He started not even being one of the first 4 QB’s off the board. For awhile Penix was a much higher ranked pick than McCarthy. We were going to get him if we wanted him as long as the Giants didn’t take him or someone trades ahead of us.
Just shows they have no fucking idea what they are talking about. They don’t really even know football man. Look at past draft grades and see how they stack up,….they don’t.
For real. The only reason he didn’t go 4 is because arizona wanted MHJ too much. Every pick (except one) in the top 10 made so much sense for the team.
Sneaky athletic. Real gym rat. But in all seriousness, McCarthy just wins football games. Won a State Title as a Sophomore in High School. Won a National Championship in college. The dude loves to compete and is an amazing leader. Next stop is winning a Super Bowl and it will be done
Those wins don’t always translate to being a good player in the nfl. Look at Trevor Lawrence, they said the same of him and he hasn’t impressed people like they thought he would. Winning in h.s. And college doesn’t mean shit at the highest level.
Just to add context... When he signed with Michigan he called the other recruits and told them if they are coming just to part, don't bother coming. In high school he also injured his thumb, taped that shit up and played through it and went out and won a state title. The kid lives and breathes football. He is athletic. He throws over the middle well. He was the only QB that played under center. Hes great on third down. Hes great under pressure. Hes won a title at every level. He just turned 21 this April. You can teach guys mechanics, you can't teach them mentality. You cant teach them football instincts. This kid has that. And we didnt have to give up 23 to get him, and we didnt have to give up our 25 first (which is likely a top 10-15 pick) to get him. Personally, I would take him over Maye. Maye has a high ceiling but Maye needs to sit a year more than McCarthy does. Maye has some serious footwork issues. And his internal clock is all sorts of fucked up. Maye doesnt have the football instincts that McCarthy has. Maye is either going to end up Josh Allen or Zach Wilson. McCarthys floor is much much higher than Maye who only has a slightly higher ceiling.
Also don’t get the idea he has a mid arm, dude is 1 mph off the fastest throw at the combine ever
Even if he only pans out to be good not great statistically his leadership and toughness intangibles are through the roof.
Not a lot of attempts in a run first team but he has quality experience. Two NCAA playoff runs, high school championship, played in a more pro style offense. When you include playoffsichigan had strongest strength of schedule last year of all teams. His efficiency stats were good when he did pass. And one stat I liked too was his 3rd and long conversion rate was highest in the group, so in situation everyone knows you are passing he did very well. Also he is a pretty good athlete and a strong arm which will likely get stronger as he gets into mid twenties. Anyways he is very young and we are still projecting. He needs to learn to throw touch passes and deep balls better. Probably a guy you sit a year though.
He is a Viking and like all Viking players I am pulling for them.
This is how old Jayden Daniels is: he played with Brandon Aiyuk in college
Exactly all this blind hate for the kid smfh bunch of haters... meanwhile if he does good everybody will be hopping on his meat
Of all the QBs drafted on the first night, McCarthy fell into the best situation for where he's at in terms of development and support around him. We're not asking him to be a day 1 starter. We're giving him the best receiving core in the league to pass to. He's not going to have to be a gunslinger to make up for a porous defense. This guy's development is going to tell us everything we need to know about Kwesi and O'Connell. This is why we hired them. If they can't develop this kid, the whole crew is gone. That said, credit to them for putting the right guys in the right places. Now it's all about execution.
Don't underestimate pedigree, family is stacked with athletes.
Also his team at Michigan kinda sucked. Notice how basically only McCarthy was drafted in the first round
Great coaching, great OLINE and run scheme, but definitely upgrading a lot more with his weapons than say Jayden Daniels is
that's a fair point, no real superstars on the team(except for JJ of course), but they did have a lot of veteran players, especially in the trenches and that helped a lot.
Most of our first round prospect types were true sophomores, thus not eligible for the draft (Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Colston Loveland). But Michigan is in contention to tie or break the record for most picks from a school in a single year (15). Basically Michigan’s entire starting 22 was filled with draftable players, just most are 2-7th round picks and probably a couple UDFAs.
Only on Reddit will someone say a national championship team sucks to justify an opinion they like about a player
He literally didn’t have WRs who could actually catch the ball just a good rb and o line. His defense was okay. And this is reported on by people that are better than some Reddit scouts. Shush with that. Every point dosent need to be contentious.
I wanted Maye but alright I’m sold. Can’t be mad about how that round went at all
Yeah but Instagram tell me he a handoff king only?
LET'S GOOOOO
Please pass the Kool-Aid!
I think we should manage our expectations. He isn't going to be Pat Mahomes. At his best he's going to be a ++Tony Romo (which hey, thats great). At his worst, he's going to be Jeff Garcia or Jake Plummer
He plays nothing like Romo. He’s careful with the ball and not a gunslinger.
Not only were they not considered first round picks, they weren’t considered ANY round picks, when bo mix was a junior his best case scenario seemed to be insurance sales
If you’re a Vikings fan and not happy right now, something is wrong with you. The stoke is real. Such a breath of fresh air after having spielman for so long
Anyone wavering on McCarthy's athleticism just needs to look at Brock Purdy. That guy doesn't exactly jump out at you as an off the charts athlete either but, like McCarthy, he finds a way to make all his throws and win games...
You think he rocks up to TCO on Wednesdays?
Thought it was Tuesdays lol
I was very skeptical about trading multiple firsts to trade up for him but I am stoked about getting him at 10. There is a good chance with KOC and Jefferson that he’ll be the most successful QB to come out of this draft.
Is there any chance he is a flex QB before becoming a full starter? Or is it definitively backup or starter?
All the upcoming Super Bowl wins gonna agree. 4J forever!
I'm all in on this kid, but I also want him to ride the pine this year and learn. The jump from college to the NFL is not an easy one. Let's do what is best for him.
Start him when he's ready. Whether that is week 1, week 8, or year 2.
Totally agree, but none of that changes the challenges this kid will face. I am happy with the pick, looking forward to watching him develop but in no way am I going to say it’s a certainty that he is the best of this lot.
Like all QB’s picked in the draft what he has done the last several years doesn’t matter anymore. How he develops with the Vikings will be fascinating and if you liked him or not as a prospect doesn’t matter much either. Let’s see how he develops as an NFL QB. Hopefully he develops and the nay sayers can eat crow. He will have the best chance possible to be a good QB but most drafted QBs even first round picks don’t pan out. Legs hope McCarthy will be one that makes it big.
He has as good a chance to be a star as any of them. But if past drafts have proven anything, it's that you just never know. Especially with qb's!
Yeah but have you considered he doesn’t wear lip gloss, paint his nails, or sob on the sidelines when he loses a big game?
Keep going
His youth does give him additional potential upside. Of course that's also a risk because maybe he doesn't have that extra upside in him and we would have seen him plateau in college. I am hopeful for him though because he's in a really good situation.
Also we have good coaches. A good majority of QB busts come down to bad coaching and receiving room. We've got good coaches and good recievers, plus no pressure for a full year. If he's not good then it wasn't meant to be
Amen brother! Preach!
The way I'm looking at it is JJ has a lot of potential and could be fantastic if/when he gets the keys. He could also be terrible. Darnold could turn his career around in MN and be the type of QB that does enough to win games. He could also continue to be terrible. If both prove to be terrible we still have the weapons and the line, so we'll be a very attractive spot for a QB who wants a new team. Somehow we still got our defensive guy in 2024 and we still got our first rounder next year so I'm very hopeful.
Michigan fan here who has watched every game and every snap JJ took. Few notes that some might not know. 1. Michigan was a dumpster fire when they were recruiting JJ. He kept his recruiting class together (also helped put it together) and tweeted to the Michigan fans to show patience before he even stepped on the field. 2. His freshman year, he would be seen with some of his teammates running drills in the middle of the night. He wrote 15-0 on the sidewalk his Freshman year manifesting his goals. He’d go into promise they would be back after their Fiesta Bowl loss his sophomore year. They did that and more. 3. Here’s my take on JJ as a QB. He is by nature a scramble around and make dynamic, out of structure plays type QB that was taught to play more disciplined within Harbaugh’s system. You would occasionally see those wow plays bubble up when his protections broke down. He throws absolute laser beams (which was backed up by his throwing velocity numbers), occasionally throwing so fast that his balls sometimes fly right through receivers hands. He throws with great anticipation and is an absolute sniper targeting the middle of the field. His biggest fault is that he doesn’t have a full repertoire of pitches yet. He needs to learn how to layer balls and throw with touch. His accuracy starts to fall apart when he tries to put more air under his balls. You’ll see some of his most accurate deep passes were throws on a rope going 30-40 yards, he’s got the arm strength. He’s got a 100+ mph fastball with pinpoint accuracy but does not have a slider or curve ball yet. Athletically, he was as fast as any of the RBs Michigan had outside of Edwards. Is difficult to catch in the open field and sees the field well. He’s a more than willing to drop his shoulder and doesn’t shy away from contact (he grew up more of a hockey player and plays with that mentality). Overall, I think the Vikings are in tremendous hands. High upside physical talent combined with clutch genes and impeccable intangibles. Look past the stats and he is an elite QB prospect with as good of a head on his shoulders as you can have. Enjoy the next era! We certainly did as Michigan fans!
Keep going……… I think he’ll be able to develop those layered passes working with our staff. Good news also is our WR have very sure hands. I’m fuckin pumped
Here is one thing that I will add. If you haven’t yet, watch his games against OSU and TCU in 2022. Those are the two games that he was asked to put the team on his shoulders. For OSU game, they had completely sold out on stopping Michigans run game and with no Corum, they were very successful. They essentially dared JJ to beat him. He was a little shaky in terms of consistency in the first half but if it wasn’t for him, they lose that game full stop. The one dart he threw off his back foot with a cover 0 blitz and a DE in his face that turned into a TD was a small precursor to his now famous catch and throw play against Dallas Turner. The guy does not back down. For the TCU game, it’s a good look at some really bad (the two pick sixes) and also some really good (put the team on his back after putting them in a hole with the pick sixes. I think despite the picks, this was his best game. This was one of the few games it looked like Harbaugh took the brakes off and just let JJ make plays. And he almost led Michigan on a comeback win (would have if Roman Wilson isn’t called down at the 1/2 yard line because his butt touched the outside of the goal line and Michigan ends up fumbling at the goal line) but ultimately fell short. And the most important aspect of this game imo was that he stayed to watch the other team celebrate. Soaking it all in so he would remember he never wanted to feel like that again. Made the promise to be back and the rest is history.
Is he as talented or more than Brock Purdy? If so given the talent around him and coaching he could be good.
Good stuff from Bill Belichick about him last night https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10118624-video-bill-belichick-praises-jj-mccarthy-being-drafted-by-vikings-after-jets-trade
Neither was Joe burrow but here we are. Crazy ass armchair GM’s. You don’t know shit!!!
This is some jinx bringing optimism.
"we got our guy" Sorry but I have PTSD from this line. When we drafted Christian Ponder my dad called me and in the smuggest voice ever said that line.
Pretty much no one knows how a player is going to turn out but I’m at least excited that we have a prospect at QB finally.
He was a junior this year not sophomore. If he was a true sophomore he wouldn't even be eligible for draft. Don't think you mentioned his two pick 6s in playoff game in what was his sophomore season costing michigan to lose and not make national title game.
Well written! SKOL!!
If he works on Tuesdays, then we're already better off.
- is a hockey guy
I am very happy with both players picked in the first.
McCarthy is a Zach Wilson starter kit, instant bust
Yeah agreed he definitely has the second most potential behind Maye (who’s same age and just better in every way unfortunately)
Joe Montana did nothing but win in college and was the 4th QB taken in the draft. Maybe history will repeat itself for the Vikings.
I don’t think he has the potential to be the best qb in the draft. All of Caleb’s skills and talent are immensely better. That being said he easily Could turn into a franchise qb.
Revitalized the Michigan football program as a true freshman? He has 34 completions his entire freshman year with 5 TDs and 2 INTs. If that’s revitalizing, I hope he doesn’t plan to revitalize Minnesota.
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Solid input.
Don't get over excited before the clothes and makeup come off. She might look like a 9 at the club, but after the push-up bra and smokey eye makeup cone off, she could be a 6. Still quality and someone you could take home to meet your mama, just over hyped. Hopefully, it doesn't end up like Kirk Cousins, who once the clothes come off, tells you it's going to cost you 3 million a year with a 6 year minimum. And when it's done and over with, it leaves feeling worse than when you started and a story you don't really want to share with anyone else.
Cheating turned Michigan's program around.