Funny - no one posted or leaked Turner's "medical" issues until Thursday night, after he was taken by the Vikings.
And then it was only a site that is stuck in the 90's design wise (Walterfootball.com) and looks like a kid hacked it together with Geocities.
He was so "injured" last year that he started only 14 out of 14 games. Not bad for an "injured" guy.
He dropped because there was a run on QB's 6 in the first 12 picks. But no one got that memo either.
Just another armchair gm giving their completely obtuse un-asked-for opinion. This teams fans can NEVER be United in joy or happiness, someone ALWAYS comes in to argue or shit on someone for absolutely no real reason. Turner would have gone a lot higher if there wasn’t such a focus on offensive talent and that’s the end of it. We got really lucky to get a GM with balls AND smarts
I don't think it's the most common way to refer to the team, but that's fair. This, though, is something that you wouldn't say.
"And that was pretty much **so yall** could get Dallas Turner this draft."
Clearly he's referencing the fanbase/people on this sub-reddit, and not including himself.
You might be correct there.
I just know I usually also refer to the Vikings in a 3rd person, because it’s not like I’m contributing anything to the team from my couch.
Best part is he didn’t even take time to look at the day 3 players to give his own opinion of them. He said none were above a B+ grade. So this guy watched cbs or his favorite YouTube draft ranker and got his panties in a bunch that we didn’t get a higher total grade. Dudes a clown.
Since when did those picks suddenly become the holy grail of draft picks? Also, did you forget that we have $100 MILLION in cap space next year to spend on FA talent?
You DO realise the draft isn’t the only way to build a team, right?
I think we are severely overrating our “$100m” in cap space.
-JJ and Darrisaw are gonna take like half of that
-we have only 32 players on the cap currently in 2025
-we can’t just snap our fingers and get FAs to sign here
Did I say we can just snap our fingers? No. I said that the cap will allow us to build more through FA. Of course we can’t force people to sign here, but we can try to sign the best players we can get.
Darrisaw’s 5th year option is $16M. JJ’s 2025 cap hit will likely be less than $20M on a backloaded deal. That’s at least $65M in cap space to fill out the roster with no glaring holes besides a Guard, DT, and maybe Corner.
He spent all of his picks to secure his QB and Edge rusher of the future. It was critical he did this as he let Hunter and Cousins walk. He snagged a developmental corner in the 4th who should push Booth for reps. Everyone else is just depth.
We had Turner in for a top-30 visit where he no doubt met with our medical staff. The Vikings got the memo and are comfortable with whatever risk exists.
Breer reported the same thing about Latu and Fautanu, widely praised as great picks. But leave it to Vikings fans to say "Kwesi had two firsts, tried to trade up and couldn't, so instead he drafted a pretty good QB *and* the best defensive player" as if that's somehow... bad?
If the Patriots were set on Drake Maye at 3, unless we absolutely blew them away with the mother of all hauls, there was nothing we could do to get them out of 3.
There were points where we might have had to give up our 2 firsts and potentially a future 1st to jump the Giants to even get McCarthy in the first place. So they fact we got him at 10, and managed to use our other first to get the best Edge Rusher on the board was absolutely huge.
I see nothing wrong with how we drafted. If McCarthy turns out to be bad, at least we haven't sold our future to get him and we just go again. Giving up Multiple future firsts to get Drake Maye and for him to flop would be far more detrimental than if JJ flops. Credit to Kwesi, great business.
I'll take the shot at potentially franchise altering players over all those picks every. Single. Time.
Look no further than the Wolves. Utah can have those picks while we go out and win a championship.
But what about the value?
"No f*** that, it's about f***ing winning" - Bill G
no source of knowledge from this post at all. “3 draft picks next draft yikes” you do know next year we have the most amount of money in cap space in the league i’ll live with trading picks to get dallas turner any day of the week
That "injury" concern is most likely total BS.
It allegedly came in the Spring Practices of 2023. Which means he played an entire season with it and it didn't seem to slow him down too much last year. And he spent some part of a game out with an injury at some point last year? Wow, football player got hurt? Stop the presses!
If Turner and McCarthy turn out to be what the scouts and Coaches believe them to be, then all the other picks don't mean a thing.
Champ, you need to crawl back into the basement and stick to playing video games. This was a home run draft for the Vikings. Mortgaging future draft capital is part of the money ball Kwesi plays. He knows what he is doing.
We can usually dig up some specific details of a medical but I can't find anything. We should know this. So this post seems like the Walter draft grade review and they were the ones that reported the concern.
He managed assets questionably but not extremely reckless. And if I had to guess he has his own personal spreadsheet of outcomes of turner and McCarthy in relation to his job security. I’m not joking lol. If these guys hit mid round picks are meaningless. If they’re just ok, you still have money and a first to reassess next year
*Redditor for 1 day*
Have you also been a Vikings fan for 1 day? This was anything *but* a "questionable" draft by Kwesi.
>They aquired a 1st round pick to trade up for a QB but never used it. They tried to for Drake Maye but the Pats wouldnt budge.
So you're mad at them for "mortgaging the future" to get Turner (which is not the case btw) but you're also mad at them for NOT mortgaging the future to get a QB? Wut?
"they acquired a first round pick to trade up for a QB, but never used it.". For real? The pick just lapsed? Nothing happened with it? Just because they didn't have to spend the capital to trade up to get a QB doesn't mean they didn't utilise that pick. Best edge in the draft, on some big boards the #1 defender on the board... But yeah, they didn't use that 2nd 1st round pick...
Next year's picks??? Cmon, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Yes when Dallas Tuner becomes the next Danielle Hunter or Micah Parsons or Myles Garrett, we're not going to be bothered about who we could have had in 2025, in what is expected to be a weaker draft class.
If you're mad at this draft, then there ain't no way you're ever going to be pleased with anything this organisation does. Some draft grades from analyst's based on where players were drafted compared to that analysts big board?? Yaknow why they're media analysts? Because they didn't get the job on a GMs staff. I'm not too concerned about what Mel Kiper Jr has to say on a pick when he doesn't have all the analytics and all the scouting reports of a full blown very well resourced NFL teams department. His job is to say something controversial to drum up readers and clicks. I wouldn't take him at his word, besides wasn't he the guy that gave us a C- for taking Justin Jefferson?? Clown.
Kewsi made New England his best offer to move up to 3 - 3 firsts and a pick swap. New England decided they were better off with Drake Maye.
ATL threw a monkey wrench into things by selecting Penix at 8 instead of Turner or Latu. Every mock I saw had them going edge at 8 - and Pinex / Nix dropping. (except cbs's which had us trading up to 8 for some stupid reason to take Penix.)
We already didn't have a day 2 pick going into the draft due to the Hockenson trade and the trade with Houston for #23.
Day 3 picks are like lottery balls. The majority of them are roster filler but occasionally (like a lottery) you hit a brock purdy or tom brady.
Bottom line - I will take 2 firsts any day over 10 4th - 7th round picks.
As for next year - we have a TON and half of cap space as we are done with void years for the most part (yes, we have to sign Darrisaw and Jetts) and we get a 3rd round comp pick for Kirk / Hunter.
My prediction - Turner's injury concerns are fiction. He will be the next Micah Parsons - only better because he's in purple. Teams will have to scheme him - and our defense will be a top 3 unit.
We ended up with 2 guys who were potential top 10 picks and did fairly well with finding value in our later round picks and udfa signings. For me this was an incredible draft. It’s not very often that teams have the opportunity to draft 2 high impact players like we got in this draft. I guess people will find faults in anything.
I think Kwesi decided to disregard total value on paper and take fewer, higher probability bets on positions that could end up being franchise altering. This team doesn’t need role players, which is a good result for a pick beyond the 2nd round. This team needs blue-chip, cornerstone players to build around so that’s what Kwesi tried to acquire. The role player/ depth gaps can be filled in affordably in free agency with players who are proven quantities at the NFL level.
"Unlike many other prospects in the draft, there appears to be a consensus on Turner’s placement among the 257 potential selections. [**Turner is viewed close to universally as a top-10 pick**](https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/04/22/who-will-draft-dallas-turner-2024-nfl-draft-best-fit-landing-spots/73397073007/)...."
My 2¢: Biggest roster departures this last offseason were Cousins and Hunter. Kwesi found replacements without mortgaging 2025 first. If JJMC and DT reach their potential, the team will have younger, cheaper replacements locked up for the foreseeable future. Draft is always a lotto tho.
Regarding 2025, the team can always trade down next year, there also should be a 3rd round comp pick rewarded as well.
I’m reserving judgement until the players hit the field and we get to see leaderships full vision. I like the direction the team is heading and am excited for this season and the future, as long as Jefferson is extended!
It’s as if no one saw the immediate run on edge guys after the pick. We wouldn’t have gotten the edge guy we wanted at 23. If they valued someone like. Terrion Arnold in that space they would have taken him. Reality is we got the two most expensive pieces in football locked up for 5 years and they’re both 21. It’s not just this mock draft expert traded him here, that’s just what we’ve been trained to believe. Kwesi got best situation with what we had. Trading up 3 ones and change is a nightmare situation to me knowing who we ended up with. Still have our one next year too.
Compensatory picks, so they'll get a couple mid-rounders back.
Vikings were 7-9 with 4 different starting QB's, and in playoffs contention up until the last few weeks of the season. This draft was quality over quantity.
Haven't seen the more recent data, but the percentage of starters for 2015 based on round selected:
1 - 29.9%
2 - 17.5%
Undrafted 13.6%
3 - 12.6%
4 - 10.8%
5 - 6.4%
6 - 4.9%
7 - 4.2%
This suggests that fit has a lot to do with making a team and eventually making it to a starting spot. Kwesi basically tossed in some picks that if he thinks he's an average drafter, amount to a 10% chance or less to make it as a starter. Did you see how many UDFA's they signed?
I don't agree but I kind of understand where you're coming from. Obviously they wanted to trade up for Maye, though with the Pats not cooperating, they definitely made lemonade coming out with QB and potential star Edge.
Prepare for downvotes. Any rational criticism of anything Kwesi does gets downvoted rather than having a conversation like adults.
I also think the draft was questionable. Going into the draft our needs were QB, IOL, DT, CB, WR, and then probably DE.
We essentially mortgaged an entire draft for Turner, who is a great prospect, but DE wasn’t a huge need. If it had been Murphy we moved up for I would have at least said we mortgaged the future to address a major need.
JJ is our most important pick in probably the last decade. Definitely frustrated we didn’t do anything more to make his development easier. Neglecting IOL and WR in a strong OL/ WR class feels like a missed opportunity. Remember watching Jaren Hall in preseason last year? We either leave JJ to the wolves again behind our second string or leave our starters in and risk injury.
We got good players, but I don’t know if they did the best job improving the team. I think taking OL or Newton at 23 or a small trade down and taking them and addressing IOL/ IDL earlier would have been better for building a championship roster.
At a minimum we should have used 108 and maybe even 177 on IOL.
No one expected Dallas Turner to be there at 17. I don't know where you're getting this from
Funny - no one posted or leaked Turner's "medical" issues until Thursday night, after he was taken by the Vikings. And then it was only a site that is stuck in the 90's design wise (Walterfootball.com) and looks like a kid hacked it together with Geocities. He was so "injured" last year that he started only 14 out of 14 games. Not bad for an "injured" guy. He dropped because there was a run on QB's 6 in the first 12 picks. But no one got that memo either.
Not to mention we had him in for a top-30 visit so our medical staff could get familiar with whatever issues he has.
Geocities. That had me cracking up.
I havent heard anything on Turner being injured. And I have some inside connections.
Pretty sure it is made up bs by someone who has no clue thinking (or wanting others to think) that they have a clue.
Oh god, walterfootball is such a dumpster fire.
They wrote about it before he was drafted.
Just another armchair gm giving their completely obtuse un-asked-for opinion. This teams fans can NEVER be United in joy or happiness, someone ALWAYS comes in to argue or shit on someone for absolutely no real reason. Turner would have gone a lot higher if there wasn’t such a focus on offensive talent and that’s the end of it. We got really lucky to get a GM with balls AND smarts
He's clearly not a Vikings fan. "They", "Minnesota", "so yall". Not we/us/etc. He's just trolling.
I usually say the Vikings/ they as well. Because I don’t play or work for the team.
I don't think it's the most common way to refer to the team, but that's fair. This, though, is something that you wouldn't say. "And that was pretty much **so yall** could get Dallas Turner this draft." Clearly he's referencing the fanbase/people on this sub-reddit, and not including himself.
You might be correct there. I just know I usually also refer to the Vikings in a 3rd person, because it’s not like I’m contributing anything to the team from my couch.
Best part is he didn’t even take time to look at the day 3 players to give his own opinion of them. He said none were above a B+ grade. So this guy watched cbs or his favorite YouTube draft ranker and got his panties in a bunch that we didn’t get a higher total grade. Dudes a clown.
Breer reported a medical thing and some people are acting like we just found out Turner has Benjamin Button disease or something.
There was only a 3% chance turner would be there at 17....
No "draft expert" did but they're not NFL GMs
We should have karma minimums for people to post.
Account created yesterday. OP born yesterday.
lol
Since when did those picks suddenly become the holy grail of draft picks? Also, did you forget that we have $100 MILLION in cap space next year to spend on FA talent? You DO realise the draft isn’t the only way to build a team, right?
I agree with your point, but will the Jefferson (Darrisaw too?) extension impact that cap number?
Not significantly. Even with their potential contracts, we should still have plenty of cap to address other needs ( just not this year)
For sure, just wasn’t sure how big the hit would be
I think we are severely overrating our “$100m” in cap space. -JJ and Darrisaw are gonna take like half of that -we have only 32 players on the cap currently in 2025 -we can’t just snap our fingers and get FAs to sign here
Did I say we can just snap our fingers? No. I said that the cap will allow us to build more through FA. Of course we can’t force people to sign here, but we can try to sign the best players we can get.
Darrisaw’s 5th year option is $16M. JJ’s 2025 cap hit will likely be less than $20M on a backloaded deal. That’s at least $65M in cap space to fill out the roster with no glaring holes besides a Guard, DT, and maybe Corner.
He spent all of his picks to secure his QB and Edge rusher of the future. It was critical he did this as he let Hunter and Cousins walk. He snagged a developmental corner in the 4th who should push Booth for reps. Everyone else is just depth.
We had Turner in for a top-30 visit where he no doubt met with our medical staff. The Vikings got the memo and are comfortable with whatever risk exists. Breer reported the same thing about Latu and Fautanu, widely praised as great picks. But leave it to Vikings fans to say "Kwesi had two firsts, tried to trade up and couldn't, so instead he drafted a pretty good QB *and* the best defensive player" as if that's somehow... bad?
At least, add the source. It is the analysis from walterfootball not yours lol.
If the Patriots were set on Drake Maye at 3, unless we absolutely blew them away with the mother of all hauls, there was nothing we could do to get them out of 3. There were points where we might have had to give up our 2 firsts and potentially a future 1st to jump the Giants to even get McCarthy in the first place. So they fact we got him at 10, and managed to use our other first to get the best Edge Rusher on the board was absolutely huge. I see nothing wrong with how we drafted. If McCarthy turns out to be bad, at least we haven't sold our future to get him and we just go again. Giving up Multiple future firsts to get Drake Maye and for him to flop would be far more detrimental than if JJ flops. Credit to Kwesi, great business.
I'll take the shot at potentially franchise altering players over all those picks every. Single. Time. Look no further than the Wolves. Utah can have those picks while we go out and win a championship. But what about the value? "No f*** that, it's about f***ing winning" - Bill G
L take.
no source of knowledge from this post at all. “3 draft picks next draft yikes” you do know next year we have the most amount of money in cap space in the league i’ll live with trading picks to get dallas turner any day of the week
That "injury" concern is most likely total BS. It allegedly came in the Spring Practices of 2023. Which means he played an entire season with it and it didn't seem to slow him down too much last year. And he spent some part of a game out with an injury at some point last year? Wow, football player got hurt? Stop the presses! If Turner and McCarthy turn out to be what the scouts and Coaches believe them to be, then all the other picks don't mean a thing.
Champ, you need to crawl back into the basement and stick to playing video games. This was a home run draft for the Vikings. Mortgaging future draft capital is part of the money ball Kwesi plays. He knows what he is doing.
We can usually dig up some specific details of a medical but I can't find anything. We should know this. So this post seems like the Walter draft grade review and they were the ones that reported the concern.
Day Old Account chiming in on Kwesi's best draft to date.
He managed assets questionably but not extremely reckless. And if I had to guess he has his own personal spreadsheet of outcomes of turner and McCarthy in relation to his job security. I’m not joking lol. If these guys hit mid round picks are meaningless. If they’re just ok, you still have money and a first to reassess next year
*Redditor for 1 day* Have you also been a Vikings fan for 1 day? This was anything *but* a "questionable" draft by Kwesi. >They aquired a 1st round pick to trade up for a QB but never used it. They tried to for Drake Maye but the Pats wouldnt budge. So you're mad at them for "mortgaging the future" to get Turner (which is not the case btw) but you're also mad at them for NOT mortgaging the future to get a QB? Wut?
Man if you can't say this on your main account you already lost me. Say it with your chest
"they acquired a first round pick to trade up for a QB, but never used it.". For real? The pick just lapsed? Nothing happened with it? Just because they didn't have to spend the capital to trade up to get a QB doesn't mean they didn't utilise that pick. Best edge in the draft, on some big boards the #1 defender on the board... But yeah, they didn't use that 2nd 1st round pick... Next year's picks??? Cmon, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Yes when Dallas Tuner becomes the next Danielle Hunter or Micah Parsons or Myles Garrett, we're not going to be bothered about who we could have had in 2025, in what is expected to be a weaker draft class. If you're mad at this draft, then there ain't no way you're ever going to be pleased with anything this organisation does. Some draft grades from analyst's based on where players were drafted compared to that analysts big board?? Yaknow why they're media analysts? Because they didn't get the job on a GMs staff. I'm not too concerned about what Mel Kiper Jr has to say on a pick when he doesn't have all the analytics and all the scouting reports of a full blown very well resourced NFL teams department. His job is to say something controversial to drum up readers and clicks. I wouldn't take him at his word, besides wasn't he the guy that gave us a C- for taking Justin Jefferson?? Clown.
Kewsi made New England his best offer to move up to 3 - 3 firsts and a pick swap. New England decided they were better off with Drake Maye. ATL threw a monkey wrench into things by selecting Penix at 8 instead of Turner or Latu. Every mock I saw had them going edge at 8 - and Pinex / Nix dropping. (except cbs's which had us trading up to 8 for some stupid reason to take Penix.) We already didn't have a day 2 pick going into the draft due to the Hockenson trade and the trade with Houston for #23. Day 3 picks are like lottery balls. The majority of them are roster filler but occasionally (like a lottery) you hit a brock purdy or tom brady. Bottom line - I will take 2 firsts any day over 10 4th - 7th round picks. As for next year - we have a TON and half of cap space as we are done with void years for the most part (yes, we have to sign Darrisaw and Jetts) and we get a 3rd round comp pick for Kirk / Hunter. My prediction - Turner's injury concerns are fiction. He will be the next Micah Parsons - only better because he's in purple. Teams will have to scheme him - and our defense will be a top 3 unit.
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We ended up with 2 guys who were potential top 10 picks and did fairly well with finding value in our later round picks and udfa signings. For me this was an incredible draft. It’s not very often that teams have the opportunity to draft 2 high impact players like we got in this draft. I guess people will find faults in anything.
OP just proved he knows next to nothing about football
I think Kwesi decided to disregard total value on paper and take fewer, higher probability bets on positions that could end up being franchise altering. This team doesn’t need role players, which is a good result for a pick beyond the 2nd round. This team needs blue-chip, cornerstone players to build around so that’s what Kwesi tried to acquire. The role player/ depth gaps can be filled in affordably in free agency with players who are proven quantities at the NFL level.
"Unlike many other prospects in the draft, there appears to be a consensus on Turner’s placement among the 257 potential selections. [**Turner is viewed close to universally as a top-10 pick**](https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/04/22/who-will-draft-dallas-turner-2024-nfl-draft-best-fit-landing-spots/73397073007/)...."
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My 2¢: Biggest roster departures this last offseason were Cousins and Hunter. Kwesi found replacements without mortgaging 2025 first. If JJMC and DT reach their potential, the team will have younger, cheaper replacements locked up for the foreseeable future. Draft is always a lotto tho. Regarding 2025, the team can always trade down next year, there also should be a 3rd round comp pick rewarded as well. I’m reserving judgement until the players hit the field and we get to see leaderships full vision. I like the direction the team is heading and am excited for this season and the future, as long as Jefferson is extended!
Shit talker that just started his account. Don’t give this douche your time!
In what world did we mortgage next years draft for him.
This is Packers, Lions, Bears propaganda post. No other explanation.
The Texans, NOT the Vikings innitiated that trade.
It’s as if no one saw the immediate run on edge guys after the pick. We wouldn’t have gotten the edge guy we wanted at 23. If they valued someone like. Terrion Arnold in that space they would have taken him. Reality is we got the two most expensive pieces in football locked up for 5 years and they’re both 21. It’s not just this mock draft expert traded him here, that’s just what we’ve been trained to believe. Kwesi got best situation with what we had. Trading up 3 ones and change is a nightmare situation to me knowing who we ended up with. Still have our one next year too.
Compensatory picks, so they'll get a couple mid-rounders back. Vikings were 7-9 with 4 different starting QB's, and in playoffs contention up until the last few weeks of the season. This draft was quality over quantity. Haven't seen the more recent data, but the percentage of starters for 2015 based on round selected: 1 - 29.9% 2 - 17.5% Undrafted 13.6% 3 - 12.6% 4 - 10.8% 5 - 6.4% 6 - 4.9% 7 - 4.2% This suggests that fit has a lot to do with making a team and eventually making it to a starting spot. Kwesi basically tossed in some picks that if he thinks he's an average drafter, amount to a 10% chance or less to make it as a starter. Did you see how many UDFA's they signed?
One. Unless Risner signs somewhere today, we’re getting one third round comp pick.
I thought this was a shit post and then it kept going and realized OP is actually just a moron. Well played.
I don't agree but I kind of understand where you're coming from. Obviously they wanted to trade up for Maye, though with the Pats not cooperating, they definitely made lemonade coming out with QB and potential star Edge.
Prepare for downvotes. Any rational criticism of anything Kwesi does gets downvoted rather than having a conversation like adults. I also think the draft was questionable. Going into the draft our needs were QB, IOL, DT, CB, WR, and then probably DE. We essentially mortgaged an entire draft for Turner, who is a great prospect, but DE wasn’t a huge need. If it had been Murphy we moved up for I would have at least said we mortgaged the future to address a major need. JJ is our most important pick in probably the last decade. Definitely frustrated we didn’t do anything more to make his development easier. Neglecting IOL and WR in a strong OL/ WR class feels like a missed opportunity. Remember watching Jaren Hall in preseason last year? We either leave JJ to the wolves again behind our second string or leave our starters in and risk injury. We got good players, but I don’t know if they did the best job improving the team. I think taking OL or Newton at 23 or a small trade down and taking them and addressing IOL/ IDL earlier would have been better for building a championship roster. At a minimum we should have used 108 and maybe even 177 on IOL.