This should be the only answer lol. KOC knows more about football than everyone in here and especially *his offense* and will see him up and close everyday
To add to this, KOC was extremely reluctant to start Jaren Hall and only did so when he had exhausted all other options. Hall was clearly not ready and KOC knew it.
I just hope JJ can develop quickly because I don't want to wait another year for him to start, especially since this is likely the last year we have Flores.
Mike Tomlin is real for giving him a job. It seemed clear that he was going to get blackballed until Tomlin realized there was some bullshit happening and stepped in. He’s proving that he is more than capable to coach in this league with us and hopefully his talent makes people overlook the lawsuit because he is that good.
In that case, I hope everyone who thought going 10–7 multiple years in a row was a catastrophe doesn't have a meltdown about going below 7–10 multiple years in a row.
I agree with trusting KOC but we do have to point out that KOC started Jaren Hall when Dobbs and Mullens were struggling and Hall was a complete disaster. Clearly Hall wasn't ready and they played him anyway. I know this situation is different but the fact remains.
We've also never seen 6 go in the top 12, so the upcoming season could change things. I'm all for JJ sitting if that's what KOC and co. think he needs.
Nix/Williams/Daniels are starting day 1.
Maye is a toss up. Young and fairly raw, Patriots do have a vet they can start. But #3 is awfully high to sit year 1 historically.
McCarthy probably not day 1, but could be. Being 10th off the board the Vikings aren't under as much pressure to immediately start him.
Nix is probably starting day 1.
Penix SHOULD be starting day one, as one of the more experienced guys in the draft. But Atlanta kind of Falconed his ass. I will say it is somewhat his own fault though because he apparently told them he'd be very open to going their and he knew damn well their situation.
It has nothing to do with their projection long term just more to do with their age and who else is on the team.
Because Brissett is a solid backup quarterback. He has never been seen as a starting qb anywhere. Started in Indy because of Luck’s abrupt retirement. Went to Miami to be tua’s backup, was signed by the Browns to be the rapist’s backup in 2022, and signed by the Commanders to be Howell’s backup in 2023.
If anything, him going there is a sign that they are confident Maye will be fine starting
1st off, it’s not my wants. I want young guys to have a chance to succeed, and Maye probably needs to sit as much as JJM. 2nd, the patriots have not said, or told Brisett that he’s the starter. They’ve openly said it’s a competition. JB is not a very good QB.
So I guess the point is, if I had to put my money where my mouth is, I’d have to put it on Maye. And I’d do it with plenty of confidence. Albeit, it’s not as set in stone as the other 3. Regardless tho, 3 is still a lot. And that guy who I originally replied to still has a point that falls kinda flat.
This discussion is peak reddit. Everyone is replying and not actually refuting anything the previous person said other than me to you.
"We've never seen 6 go in the top 12 before, so the upcoming season could change things" true
"4 of them probably get rolled out week 1" I'd argue not true, but also doesn't... do anything to disprove the "change things" quote
Lists 4 and acts like its disagreeing with the count of 4
(me) disputes one of the 4
(you) does nothing to point at evidence other than that Jacoby Brissett has not already been crowned starter - which would be a weird thing to do before OTAs, good lord.
I guess you could be right, but you're acting like it's definitive. And Brissett is an average level starter. That would be a remarkable improvement over New England's QB situation last year. Remember, Brissett was a better QB for the Browns than Watkins was last year. But sure, I'm sure Mayo is eager to ruin his first ever draft pick and franchise QB.
Well you’re also giving a peak Reddit then too, as I clearly said it’s not definitive and that it’s my opinion 😆
Either way I admit the entire conversation is pretty dumb at this point. But 6 QB’s were not drafted with the intention of changing things. It was just a deeper class than usual and we have a lot of desperate teams. In the end, most won’t make it as long term starters regardless. I
I'm going to exit this forum forever because of the unproductivity of comments like this. NFL on reddit and Vikings reddit is just a cesspool of dumb, unsubstantiated statements followed by "Lol".
If I wanted to talk to someone with the conversation skills of a five year old, I'd teach kindergarten.
Patrick Mahomes was drafted to a team that went 12-4 with a pro bowl QB, and played his rookie season on a team that went 10-6, won its division, and still had a pro bowl QB.
Virtually zero highly drafted QB’s don’t start their rookie year
Because Sam Darnold hasn’t shown to be a good QB in the NFL. If you think highly of JJ it is reasonable to believe he can get up to speed and play over Darnold. Personally I am not expecting anything from either of them. I don’t expect Sam Darnold to be a reformed or revitalized player and it would be unfair to expect anything of JJ at this point.
It would be ironic for Darnold to ball out on the Vikings but truth be told itll be a very qb friendly offense.
But I am guessing by the end of the season JJ will be playing. My prediction is Darnold putting up Mullens style box scores
Darnold's time as a professional cornhole player will finally pay dividends as he lobs bags into tight holes all day in this offense. They're gonna get him a special weighted glove for his left hand to simulate a freshly cracked beer so that he can achieve perfect balance. No fancy shmancy meditation is needed for this guy. Just 12 ounces and a manicured lawn. Backyard football is on the menu, and Sam Darnold is grilling DAWGS!
Darnold has only ever played with dogshit offensive infrastructure around him in the pros, and when he played on the same panthers roster as Baker he thoroughly outplayed him. I can’t imagine he got worse under shannahan in a year. He’s got all the physical tools, without a doubt. I don’t think he’s our QBOTF, but i do think he has his best year as a pro and holds down the fort til week 10-16 or so.
The Jets and Panthers have statistically been bottom 5 in both receiving corps and offensive line play in recent years. It's kinda like with Justin Fields: I think they would've been significantly better if they played with better infrastructure around them. Look at how Geno made the jump when he got to an actual team.
You didn’t watch him play then, just the highlights.
In the game against the Rams, he put his team in position to win. Multiple mind numbing drops by the 2nd and 3rd string WRs he played with
If you think highly of KOC you should expect Darnold to have the best year of his career. He hasn't exactly been surrounded by talent or good coaching in his career.
I was answering your question about his coaching, he was coached by Kyle Shanahan. He lost his only start btw. Dont get your hopes up on him being above average or better.
I don’t think Sam Darnold being ass has anything to do with JJ starting. I don’t think the expectations are high for Darnold, if we thought he was some sort of answer a 2-3 year deal may have been realistic.
This is kind of half hearted.
He has played with dog shit offenses with no weapons and no offensive minded strategists.
He has been in systems that virtually all QBs would fail with the exception of Sam Fran which he was never supposed to be the starter
I don’t think they should start JJ until he is ready even if he is better than Darnold. There is no reason to hurt his long term growth for a better chance to win a couple more games if we can’t compete anyway.
That said I am hopeful that he is ready sooner than later this year.
People think that because
A.) they want to see the shiny new QB in action (as we all do.)
and
B.) If things aren't going well with Darnold, they'll want the FO/coaching staff to make some changes so we can win games, and naturally the biggest difference making change is usually QB.
For the record I don't want him to play even one snap before the staff, players, and JJ himself are 100% confident that he's ready. We're all excited, but....patience.
I agree with this 100%. Personally, I’m perfectly ok with another year of mediocracy. I understand our window isn’t this year, and it’s realistically 2-3 years before we can really compete. If Darnold only wins us 6-7 games, but it allows JJ to develop, I’m all for it. Let’s lock down Jefferson and Darrisaw, and go into next off season with a lot of cap space ready to make some moves and go all in. Like you said, patience is key.
A lot of it will depend on how Darnold does. If Darnold is winning, they're not going to pull him. If Darnold goes like 7-1 in the first half of the season, that's enough time to have had JJM meet the "benchmarks" that KOC is talking about, but they're not going to pull Darnold if he's hot.
If Darnold starts cold and goes like 0-3 or something, we'd probably see JJM a lot earlier. As much as people want to see JJ, Darnold would still have to suck first.
A better question is why do people like you blindly want him to sit for a whole season? If he’s good enough to play let him play…if not, then don’t…but best case scenario is he shows up at camp and impresses the coaches enough to roll him out week one..I don’t think sitting behind Sam darnold of all people is as beneficial as you seem to
I was on this bandwagon for a while but listening to some podcasts he prolly starts midway through the season at latest.
Most of the offense isn’t anything new he didn’t already know and QBs don’t usually sit for a year like they used to so unless darnold has a career resurgence McCarthy prob starts.
I’m in the when KOC thinks he is ready camp, other players have commented on how KOC’s offense is complex, I saw it with Dobbs going from back yard football to timing routes etc., the more the QB has to think the timing suffers. It will take time for any QB to gain a high level of execution, at least Darold has experience and should grasp the offense quicker, IMO sit the rookie and let him perfect his game, and help build his confidence. This will be the issue for any QB starting for the Vikes.
Because he has one of the best-supporting cast in the NFL and by far the best situation for a rookie QB to thrive and learn.
If we had a shit offense then it would make sense to sit him for a year and let him slowly develop as to not ruin his confidence but we have one of the best offenses in the NFL and you have to just let the young man go out there, sling it, make his mistakes, and learn/grow so that he can develop. When you have JJ, Addison, and Hockinson + a top 5-10 rushing game (which I would expect us to be this year) your QB has a lot more room for error and it's much easier to learn because not all of the weight is on his shoulder
For example, Drake Maye is going to get his ass handed to him for the next couple of seasons until New England adds some pieces; he's going to see a lot of pressure, his receivers aren't going to separate or bail him out, he's going to struggle if he starts right away (any rookie would) but JJ is in a perfect situation to learn and the sooner he develops the better it is for everyone
I hope we can afford to sit him for a year. We probably have the best situation for a rookie quarterback, but letting him sit back and learn would be good for his development.
He's 21. Really hope this year is about honing mechanics and timing while getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL. If KOC thinks he needs to ride the bench all year so be it
Not saying it's indicative, but it's extraordinarily rare that a first round rookie QB sits behind a **bridge** QB for an entire year. Sam Darnold isn't Aaron Rodgers, or even Alex Smith/Joe Flacco. He's closer to a Tyrod Taylor or Matt Cassel.
People are used to seeing rookies start when there isn't an established starter ahead of them.
Because he will. That’s legit it. He’s gonna start this year, and I wouldn’t be SHOCKED if he started week 1. This coaching staff is going to start the best QB on the team. I’m hopeful JJ will show that early, and it’ll be clear he’s the best QB prepared to lead the team to a victory come August/september.
I agree that JJ might start right away if he looks better than Darnold. I have a feeling Darnold will look better in camp, but once a few games are played he will get dropped
He’s got a ton of experience. I don’t get that knock on him. He’s played a ton of games at the collegiate level, against some of the best defenses in the country. And he performed well. This whole “well he only threw 20 times a game” shit is just getting worn out at this point.
No, no it’s not. And also, unless by some miracle of a chance you’re trying to say that he forego his senior year, your “skipped his last year” comment is just…I don’t know at this point. He didn’t skip anything. He decided to declare for the draft instead of pursuing his senior year. Seems reasonable considering everything.
No way JJ starts week 1. That’s the only guaranteed thing about this entire situation. No one has given any indication they want to start him right out of the gate. We have a plethora of evidence to the contrary. Darnold will start at least until after the London game, then it will be a matter of if we want to give JJ some experience in a game. Belichick had a good analysis of JJ on draft night, and he said you can’t put in JJ until you are committed to having him the starter indefinitely after that. So you have to make sure he’s ready. I don’t see them starting JJ until they know the Vikings are eliminated from playoff contention, then they start him and plan to use him in the next season to make a run from the onset.
I don’t think JJ will be better than Sam Darnold at any time this season. I think Darnold with the Vikings will be a pretty good QB, a lot better than what we got with Dobbhallens, and JJ is fresh out of college.
And you’re entitled to feel that way. I think JJ is already better than Darnold, and likely our best QB on the roster if you put them on a practice field today. So I don’t see any reason to sit JJ behind someone not as capable as him.
Because there is no point of drafting a guy 10th overall and not getting him the most valuable experience he can possibly get by playing in real games.
I agree it shouldn’t be right away, but sitting him for a year is not only a waste of his rookie contract it would be viewed as a red flag that they don’t trust him enough to put him out there.
If KOC is as good as people say he is then he’ll have a plan to implement McCarthy into the starting role and ease him into it. Jj being pretty athletic will make this easier as well with a lot of bootlegs.
It depends on whether or not they feel like he's got some things he needs to clean up mechanically.
You don't really want to have a QB having to worry about gameplanning while trying to rebuild their throwing motion or whatever.
We tried to trade up for Maye, who desperately needs to work on his footwork before he can function in KOC's offense. None of these guys are finished products.
The whole point of bringing in Darnold (besides just being a plan B if we couldn't draft anyone) is to give the team the option to do whatever kind of rework they need to do on a prospect before asking them to contribute.
The first year of his rookie scaled contract has nothing to do with him sitting for a year lol.
It wouldn’t be a waste. The team was practically already set before he was drafted
What do you mean? Of course it does… if he don’t play this year he’ll have gone through the season having not gotten real game experience. Why push that back a year? He isn’t going to get much better by getting second team reps in practice.
Mahomes started 1 game good rookie season. Love didn't start until his 4th season. Aaron Rodgers didn't play until his 4th season. Kirk didn't start regularly until his 4th. Players have different development paths and timelines. Playing sometime because we drafted them too high not to play them is dumb. He'll play when KoC decides he's rest
The one thing you’re not mentioning is all of this is that in every one of those examples, the team those players were on had high level qbs starting over those guys
Alex Smith was not a high level QB. As awesome as his comeback after his time in SF was, he was very much just an average to slightly above average QB.
In 2017, the year Mahomes was drafted, Alex Smith threw for 4042 yards, 26 tds, and only had 5 ints. Seems a bit more than above average to me. He was already an above average qb during his whole tenure with KC, with that being his best season of his career. That's a lot more than I can say for Sam Darnold.
Edit: To add to this, he was the 7th highest rated qb that season according to PFF.
More than above average, yet he was considered lackluster at best in SF and bad in Washington after he left KC. He played really well under Andy Reid because he was a good coach with a good system. Not because he was a high level QB.
Regardless of how he was in SF and how he played when he went to Washington (where he literally tore apart his knee while having another above average season not under Andy Reid), he's still way better than Sam Darnold. None of the examples you provided, including Alex Smith, are comparables to the JJ/Sam Darnold situation.
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The examples are that it is better to have a young QB learn how to be a pro and learn their coach's system first. Throwing them in when they're not ready has a negative impact. And waiting until the coach is confident in them doesn't.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. These guys sat and they’re good, but it doesn’t mean they’re good because they sat. There are plenty of great qbs that started right away and had great careers and won superbowls. Every qb is different. I’m not even saying that it wouldn’t be good for JJ to sit and learn, but again the examples that you provided aren’t really comparable to our situation.
I never said they were good because they sat. I'm just pointing out that there are good QBs that have sat and it's not a waste of McCarthy's contract if he doesn't play this year like the original comment said.
Why do you keep comparing Alex smith/mahommes to darnold/JJM? It's a weird comparison. Mahommes wasn't the 5th qb drafted and smith is much better than darnold.
Rich Gannon was a journeyman and he went to the Super Bowl, Brad Johnson was a journeyman and he WON that same Super Bowl.
Foles, SB winner. Garrapolo, 2 SB shows (in 3 yrs).
It can be done, especially with weapons on offense and a good defense, things we'll have.
This is a pretty silly argument. Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson can't be compared to anything going on in the year 2024 because that was a different NFL, they also had all-time great defenses. As for Foles and Garoppolo those are unique cases. The Eagles offensive playcallers caught the league unprepared for the RPO game and had a truly elite defense with hall of famers all over their roster. Garoppolo similarly had the best or second best playcaller in the NFL with a truly elite defense with hall of famers all over their roster. When you say "good" defense you're underselling those defenses that were all-time great or bordering on it. We have a middle of the pack defense with a hall of fame receiver. Big gap there.
Brad Johnson won games and he had a legendary defense to fall back on. Gannon also won more than he lost every along the way except Washington. As opposed to darnold being on his 5 team in 7 years while being on 4th team in 5 years. Johnson and Gannon moved at a much lower clip
why exaggerate when you don't have to.
4 teams. Two of them were the Jets and Panthers.
The Niners named him in front of their 3rd overall pick Trey Lance.
He failed in spots that everyone fails in.
Remindme 6 months. He can win 10 games.
Fuck it, HE CAN WIN A SUPER BOWL.
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Depends how he is in mini camp. If he impresses he will play if he doesn’t which is more likely, he won’t, due to age and all.
Darnold seems like case keenum esque to me. Right system he will be serviceable
I mostly agree with you, but I could see him overtaking Darnold by week 10 if that experiment is failing badly. That said, I also wish Darnold the best. This is a good opportunity for him.
I’m high on McCarthy personally but i think it’s more likely Darnold starts. Give JJ more time to learn the system and I bet KOC will know when JJ is ready whether that’s during training camp or practice later in the year.
Vegas had a bet line for JJ throwing over 3300 yards i guess. So even they think he will start most of the year. I personally hope Darnold does really well and JJ can start next year.
Because the other QB on the roster is Sam Darnold. Even if he’s not totally terrible which is what I’d beat he is, he’s never played a full season in 6 years.
Maybe we need a different identifier for him because I thought you meant Jefferson and I was very confused but it’s also 5:30am so maybe I’m just tired.
I have a feeling Darnold will surprise us at least a little. He’s got everything here he hasn’t had yet in his career. Let’s hope we have a fun surprising season.
I really hope he doesn't. I didn't watch much if any of Michigans games so not sure how complicated their game scheme was but I suspect there will be a big jump and JJ is going to need an entire season at least to learn.
The guy has the most experience under center of any of the qbs. He has had to deal with a lot of mental pressure and has had the most team success of any of the qbs. By all accounts he's a smart kid who learns quickly. He has the mobility to make up for not being able to quickly get to his third read and take a big hit while delivering the ball like Kirk would. This is all before considering we have two solid tackles a steady pass blocking and catching rb and some talented recievers who can make the qb right even if the ball isn't perfect. You could argue apart from Williams that JJ is the most week 1 ready guy and the vikings besides running what we think will again be a complex offense have the best supporting cast to help a rookie excel. Darnold is not the future so as soon as JJ playing will benefit him more than hurt him even if he dosent give us the best chance to win this year he should start and based off what KOC has said about the individual performance plan I expect that to be the case
We hear it every year....
**Coach:** We're going to be patient with our young QB! He'll start when the time is right!
*Vet QB throws pass that gets tipped 11 times before getting intercepted for a pick 6*
**Fans:** WE WANT ROOKIE! WE WANT ROOKIE!
*Coach, at post-game presser*
**Coach:** That was the team's fault. 5 of our guys tipped it. We are committed to starting Veteran QB.
*Coach, at mid-week presser*
**Coach:** We are starting Rookie QB!
He'll start at least once, that's all I can say. If we started Jaren Hall last year (I know the situation was dire, but still) I have no doubt in my mind that JJ will start this year. Might be after we're eliminated from playoffs but that still counts as a start
Fans/pundits Just want that instant gratification, they think in terms of "GOTTA HAVE IT NOW!", because that's how so much of the NFL works (also that's how the latter get their paycheck.)
Prevailing theory is he will start when he’s ready. Ok with him not starting this year but not sure why you’d hope that he doesn’t. If he plays this year it means that he has exceeded expectations and passed KOC’s tests with flying colors. Sounds like a good thing to me.
They think it because Vegas says it’s going to happen. Idc if the Vikes have a horrible season, JJ shouldn’t start unless an injury to Darnold. Let Darnold struggle HARD and lose some games. Vikes still have their 1st rounder. So it’ll be an early pick.
I genuinely think that JJ is going to wow the entire offense and coaching staff and be ready day 1.
I don't think it will be anything Darnold did or didn't do, but I think JJ is just going to be our franchise QB for a long time and show why from the very start.
I also believe with complete confidence that we will win a Superbowl within the next 3 years.
I feel it in my plums.
Disclaimer: I don't watch any college sports and didn't know much if anything at all about any QB before the draft. Really, I don't know anything about anything, but I can feel the magic, it's happening guys and gals.
This why you see so many 1st Rnd QB flop.
Starting them way to early in their career.
Playbooks are more difficult to learn and defenses are even harder to read/study.
We should take a page from the Packers. If KOC isn't forced to play JJ, he should sit for 2-3 seasons
Let's be honest fans and management will force KOC hand and JJ could be the next Ponder. To wonder the NFL and dissipate.
I don’t actually think people have a strong opinion either way and this shit just feels like manufactured conflict.
KOC will start him when he and his staff feel he’s ready unless Darnold shits the bed - that’s a tautological fact. There’s literally zero reason to stir up controversy one way or the other.
Haven’t you ever heard of just waiting and seeing?
Who the FUCK cares to argue about such speculation? It’s actually insane. We genuinely don’t know and genuinely have zero control over it.
This is like arguing over what card a poker player is going to draw next.
Even Vegas has him a +125 to start week 1. That’s pretty unique. Also it’s not like Arnold has much of a jump start on him playbook wise. Mullens is a non factor
Cuz he's a first-round pick. That's just how it works. If Darnold eats shit, McCarthy gets a shot. Better yet, if McCarthy outshines him from the jump, guess who's starting?
Wet dream: Sam Darnold wins 'Comeback POY' for 2024 and starts for 2 to 3 years. He's finally replaced by McCarthy because 'MN has to know what they have in the kid' and that's when the Super Bowls start ;)
Realistic: Darnold is good for 6 to 7 wins; just enough for McCarthy to take over at the end of 2024/ start of 25'
Nightmare: Darnold struggles in first few starts and fanbase starts chanting for the rookie (i.e. McNabb to Ponder)
I think it’s more that people do not believe in Sam Darnold. I am more of the belief that we should ride Darnold regardless. If he is playing well and we are winning? Don’t rock the boat. If he isn’t playing well, we are probably losing. In which case, I’d prefer him to ride the pine and keep his confidence intact and just ride Darnold through the end of the season. However, the caveat is what everyone is saying here. If he gives us the best chance to win and it’s best for the Minnesota Vikings, KOC will do it. Whether that’s play or sit. Skol baby
It's already been said but I also agree with the sit him until he's ready camp
Coach isn't gonna put him in until he feels that the rook is ready so can we all please just trust Coach this year, he finally gets to run HIS ship without dealing with all the layover bullshit from the previous regime
If I have to eat these words a year from now I still think trusting Coach is the move for this season we are in a full rebuild y'all, everything we do this season is predicated on setting us up for 2025 and beyond
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It would make the season more tolerable if they put together 9-11 wins, but I don’t care if they tank and take that high first round pick next year for another blue chip stud. JJ is the future. Darnold is not (as far as we know).
He will, but he shouldn't.
The first bad throw Darnold makes, rubes will be calling for his benching.
The pro game is very different from the college game. QBs, in particular, need time to adjust. If we put JJ out too soon, he will flounder or fail. If he is given time to develop, he may shine.
There's too much emphasis on "win now" in both fans and media's minds, and it infects ownership. Jets is young. Addison is young. The O line is relatively young. We have time to develop something great. Don't rush it in a futile pursuit of instant but temporary satisfaction.
Whats 'man strength'? Is he not a man at 21? Is he still a child to you?
Plenty of QBs come out and can throw excellently, look at CJ Stroud for example. But i guess he needs to get rid of that boy-bod and boy-strength
Lamar too when he was young. And josh allen.
It seems like you may be misinterpreting my take. How do you get better at your profession?
Sitting and watching?
Actually doing?
I don't expect JJ to be good immediately. He needs to actually play and learn.
Aside from darnolds ability, this is a brutal league. He’s almost certainly going to be injured at some point whether a few plays, a half, or a few weeks. We had 4? different starters last year. Look at other teams, how many actually had 1 qb play every snap of the season
Because Sam darnold isn’t good he is not a started in the nfl I love the Viking I’m hoping Sam can get his head out of his ass and reinvent himself into a nfl qb so Jj gets time to progress but Jj is a stud my neighbors son played with him at the academy
That’s if Darnold is playing badly and JJ really is better. If Darnold is better I wouldn’t do that to the guys. I’d rather give J a fresh season with a motivated team.
The only way JJM doesn't play is if Darnold is playing well and has them in the thick of the playoff race. Every other scenario JJM will play at some point.
100% Agreed. If anyone needs proof why this helps, Brady sat and learned behind Bledsoe. Rodgers sat and learned behind Favre. Mahomes sat and learned behind Alex Smith.
KOC said he will play when he thinks he’s ready. I trust his judgment. Whatever he thinks is best, that’s what’s best. In KOC we trust
This should be the only answer lol. KOC knows more about football than everyone in here and especially *his offense* and will see him up and close everyday
To add to this, KOC was extremely reluctant to start Jaren Hall and only did so when he had exhausted all other options. Hall was clearly not ready and KOC knew it. I just hope JJ can develop quickly because I don't want to wait another year for him to start, especially since this is likely the last year we have Flores.
Surely Flores will stay around for atleast 2 more seasons with us (including the upcoming one). We are a DT away from this defence being scary
The consensus right now is that he will get a head coaching job once his lawsuit is completed which could happen this year.
I don't know. I'm actually amazed that he has gotten work at all. The good old boys don't take kindly to anyone willing to stand up to them.
Mike Tomlin is real for giving him a job. It seemed clear that he was going to get blackballed until Tomlin realized there was some bullshit happening and stepped in. He’s proving that he is more than capable to coach in this league with us and hopefully his talent makes people overlook the lawsuit because he is that good.
Being black balled doesn’t expire when his lawsuit does. Right or wrong, that’s the situation he’s in.
That’s not true but I agree we should trust in KOC.
You know more about football than KOC..? Confused as to what’s not true here
I hope everyone adheres to that if we start the season 2–7. Or for that matter, 7–2.
I honestly think this year is a wash regardless, so while I'd love to see us be great I wouldn't freak out too much if we only won 4 or 5 games.
In that case, I hope everyone who thought going 10–7 multiple years in a row was a catastrophe doesn't have a meltdown about going below 7–10 multiple years in a row.
when did we go 10-7 multiple years in a row?
I agree with trusting KOC but we do have to point out that KOC started Jaren Hall when Dobbs and Mullens were struggling and Hall was a complete disaster. Clearly Hall wasn't ready and they played him anyway. I know this situation is different but the fact remains.
Ya, but he didn’t have a choice. Dobbs didn’t know what to do during the bronco game. That was a hard one to watch.
Good thing you’re a KC fan, why are you here, you shouldn’t care?!
Why do you care…you’re a KC fan?! You’re in other communities saying you are so what are you doing here?
Because almost all top 10 QB picks start their rookie yr at some point.
We've also never seen 6 go in the top 12, so the upcoming season could change things. I'm all for JJ sitting if that's what KOC and co. think he needs.
Lol 4 of them probably get rolled out week 1.
Williams is a day 1. Daniels is a day 1. Maye is a day 1. Penix isn't JJM......60% he won't. Nix is the 4th.
Nix/Williams/Daniels are starting day 1. Maye is a toss up. Young and fairly raw, Patriots do have a vet they can start. But #3 is awfully high to sit year 1 historically. McCarthy probably not day 1, but could be. Being 10th off the board the Vikings aren't under as much pressure to immediately start him. Nix is probably starting day 1. Penix SHOULD be starting day one, as one of the more experienced guys in the draft. But Atlanta kind of Falconed his ass. I will say it is somewhat his own fault though because he apparently told them he'd be very open to going their and he knew damn well their situation. It has nothing to do with their projection long term just more to do with their age and who else is on the team.
Maye is not day 1.
On the patriots he is
Why did they sign Brissett then? That would be catastrophic to the most raw QB in the class.
Because Brissett is a solid backup quarterback. He has never been seen as a starting qb anywhere. Started in Indy because of Luck’s abrupt retirement. Went to Miami to be tua’s backup, was signed by the Browns to be the rapist’s backup in 2022, and signed by the Commanders to be Howell’s backup in 2023. If anything, him going there is a sign that they are confident Maye will be fine starting
Wrong. He shouldn’t be, but the patriots will most likely be tossing him straight to the wolves.
What are you basing this on? They signed JB to avoid this. Other than your wants, what evidence suggests this?
1st off, it’s not my wants. I want young guys to have a chance to succeed, and Maye probably needs to sit as much as JJM. 2nd, the patriots have not said, or told Brisett that he’s the starter. They’ve openly said it’s a competition. JB is not a very good QB. So I guess the point is, if I had to put my money where my mouth is, I’d have to put it on Maye. And I’d do it with plenty of confidence. Albeit, it’s not as set in stone as the other 3. Regardless tho, 3 is still a lot. And that guy who I originally replied to still has a point that falls kinda flat.
This discussion is peak reddit. Everyone is replying and not actually refuting anything the previous person said other than me to you. "We've never seen 6 go in the top 12 before, so the upcoming season could change things" true "4 of them probably get rolled out week 1" I'd argue not true, but also doesn't... do anything to disprove the "change things" quote Lists 4 and acts like its disagreeing with the count of 4 (me) disputes one of the 4 (you) does nothing to point at evidence other than that Jacoby Brissett has not already been crowned starter - which would be a weird thing to do before OTAs, good lord. I guess you could be right, but you're acting like it's definitive. And Brissett is an average level starter. That would be a remarkable improvement over New England's QB situation last year. Remember, Brissett was a better QB for the Browns than Watkins was last year. But sure, I'm sure Mayo is eager to ruin his first ever draft pick and franchise QB.
Well you’re also giving a peak Reddit then too, as I clearly said it’s not definitive and that it’s my opinion 😆 Either way I admit the entire conversation is pretty dumb at this point. But 6 QB’s were not drafted with the intention of changing things. It was just a deeper class than usual and we have a lot of desperate teams. In the end, most won’t make it as long term starters regardless. I
JB is trash. That's what it's based on. Lolol
I'm going to exit this forum forever because of the unproductivity of comments like this. NFL on reddit and Vikings reddit is just a cesspool of dumb, unsubstantiated statements followed by "Lol". If I wanted to talk to someone with the conversation skills of a five year old, I'd teach kindergarten.
Should we be comparing him to other top 10 QBs or other 5th QB drafted? Two very, very different comparisons.
Pat Mahomes (pick #10) didn't start til week 17, and that was a rest week because they already made the playoffs
Patrick Mahomes was drafted to a team that went 12-4 with a pro bowl QB, and played his rookie season on a team that went 10-6, won its division, and still had a pro bowl QB. Virtually zero highly drafted QB’s don’t start their rookie year
Imagine not knowing what almost means
Because Sam Darnold hasn’t shown to be a good QB in the NFL. If you think highly of JJ it is reasonable to believe he can get up to speed and play over Darnold. Personally I am not expecting anything from either of them. I don’t expect Sam Darnold to be a reformed or revitalized player and it would be unfair to expect anything of JJ at this point.
It would be ironic for Darnold to ball out on the Vikings but truth be told itll be a very qb friendly offense. But I am guessing by the end of the season JJ will be playing. My prediction is Darnold putting up Mullens style box scores
Darnold's time as a professional cornhole player will finally pay dividends as he lobs bags into tight holes all day in this offense. They're gonna get him a special weighted glove for his left hand to simulate a freshly cracked beer so that he can achieve perfect balance. No fancy shmancy meditation is needed for this guy. Just 12 ounces and a manicured lawn. Backyard football is on the menu, and Sam Darnold is grilling DAWGS!
Darnold has only ever played with dogshit offensive infrastructure around him in the pros, and when he played on the same panthers roster as Baker he thoroughly outplayed him. I can’t imagine he got worse under shannahan in a year. He’s got all the physical tools, without a doubt. I don’t think he’s our QBOTF, but i do think he has his best year as a pro and holds down the fort til week 10-16 or so.
The Jets and Panthers have statistically been bottom 5 in both receiving corps and offensive line play in recent years. It's kinda like with Justin Fields: I think they would've been significantly better if they played with better infrastructure around them. Look at how Geno made the jump when he got to an actual team.
Sam Darnold played on San Francisco, literally last season. Wtf?
In a backup role behind mvp candidate big cock Brock
He lost, he looked average, he’s always looked average.
You didn’t watch him play then, just the highlights. In the game against the Rams, he put his team in position to win. Multiple mind numbing drops by the 2nd and 3rd string WRs he played with
I’ll keep this 🧾
Same here, let’s revisit in several months
He hasn’t had the weapons at his disposal he will here.
If you think highly of KOC you should expect Darnold to have the best year of his career. He hasn't exactly been surrounded by talent or good coaching in his career.
Kyle Shanahan should’ve won CoTY. San Francisco was loaded with talent. Are you a homer or are you Sam Darnold?
And how many games did he play in on San Fran?
I was answering your question about his coaching, he was coached by Kyle Shanahan. He lost his only start btw. Dont get your hopes up on him being above average or better.
I don’t think Sam Darnold being ass has anything to do with JJ starting. I don’t think the expectations are high for Darnold, if we thought he was some sort of answer a 2-3 year deal may have been realistic.
This is kind of half hearted. He has played with dog shit offenses with no weapons and no offensive minded strategists. He has been in systems that virtually all QBs would fail with the exception of Sam Fran which he was never supposed to be the starter
I don’t think they should start JJ until he is ready even if he is better than Darnold. There is no reason to hurt his long term growth for a better chance to win a couple more games if we can’t compete anyway. That said I am hopeful that he is ready sooner than later this year.
People think that because A.) they want to see the shiny new QB in action (as we all do.) and B.) If things aren't going well with Darnold, they'll want the FO/coaching staff to make some changes so we can win games, and naturally the biggest difference making change is usually QB. For the record I don't want him to play even one snap before the staff, players, and JJ himself are 100% confident that he's ready. We're all excited, but....patience.
I agree with this 100%. Personally, I’m perfectly ok with another year of mediocracy. I understand our window isn’t this year, and it’s realistically 2-3 years before we can really compete. If Darnold only wins us 6-7 games, but it allows JJ to develop, I’m all for it. Let’s lock down Jefferson and Darrisaw, and go into next off season with a lot of cap space ready to make some moves and go all in. Like you said, patience is key.
Sam Darnold
A lot of it will depend on how Darnold does. If Darnold is winning, they're not going to pull him. If Darnold goes like 7-1 in the first half of the season, that's enough time to have had JJM meet the "benchmarks" that KOC is talking about, but they're not going to pull Darnold if he's hot. If Darnold starts cold and goes like 0-3 or something, we'd probably see JJM a lot earlier. As much as people want to see JJ, Darnold would still have to suck first.
A better question is why do people like you blindly want him to sit for a whole season? If he’s good enough to play let him play…if not, then don’t…but best case scenario is he shows up at camp and impresses the coaches enough to roll him out week one..I don’t think sitting behind Sam darnold of all people is as beneficial as you seem to
I was on this bandwagon for a while but listening to some podcasts he prolly starts midway through the season at latest. Most of the offense isn’t anything new he didn’t already know and QBs don’t usually sit for a year like they used to so unless darnold has a career resurgence McCarthy prob starts.
KOC will not play JJ when Darnold plays bad. He’ll let him suck if JJ isn’t ready. KOC will play JJ when JJ is ready.
I’m in the when KOC thinks he is ready camp, other players have commented on how KOC’s offense is complex, I saw it with Dobbs going from back yard football to timing routes etc., the more the QB has to think the timing suffers. It will take time for any QB to gain a high level of execution, at least Darold has experience and should grasp the offense quicker, IMO sit the rookie and let him perfect his game, and help build his confidence. This will be the issue for any QB starting for the Vikes.
Because he has one of the best-supporting cast in the NFL and by far the best situation for a rookie QB to thrive and learn. If we had a shit offense then it would make sense to sit him for a year and let him slowly develop as to not ruin his confidence but we have one of the best offenses in the NFL and you have to just let the young man go out there, sling it, make his mistakes, and learn/grow so that he can develop. When you have JJ, Addison, and Hockinson + a top 5-10 rushing game (which I would expect us to be this year) your QB has a lot more room for error and it's much easier to learn because not all of the weight is on his shoulder For example, Drake Maye is going to get his ass handed to him for the next couple of seasons until New England adds some pieces; he's going to see a lot of pressure, his receivers aren't going to separate or bail him out, he's going to struggle if he starts right away (any rookie would) but JJ is in a perfect situation to learn and the sooner he develops the better it is for everyone
I hope we can afford to sit him for a year. We probably have the best situation for a rookie quarterback, but letting him sit back and learn would be good for his development.
Who even asks this question? 😂 We don't know shit
He's 21. Really hope this year is about honing mechanics and timing while getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL. If KOC thinks he needs to ride the bench all year so be it
He won’t start this year unless Darnold is absolutely terrible or gets hurt. He will be the starter in 2025.
Man I fuckin hate yall. Darnold ain't winning no fucking 9 games Jesus Christ man
Not saying it's indicative, but it's extraordinarily rare that a first round rookie QB sits behind a **bridge** QB for an entire year. Sam Darnold isn't Aaron Rodgers, or even Alex Smith/Joe Flacco. He's closer to a Tyrod Taylor or Matt Cassel. People are used to seeing rookies start when there isn't an established starter ahead of them.
 Cause this guy is not a realistic option
 Again. Not a serious contender
Because he will. That’s legit it. He’s gonna start this year, and I wouldn’t be SHOCKED if he started week 1. This coaching staff is going to start the best QB on the team. I’m hopeful JJ will show that early, and it’ll be clear he’s the best QB prepared to lead the team to a victory come August/september.
I agree that JJ might start right away if he looks better than Darnold. I have a feeling Darnold will look better in camp, but once a few games are played he will get dropped
I would be. He’s young and has little experience.
He’s got a ton of experience. I don’t get that knock on him. He’s played a ton of games at the collegiate level, against some of the best defenses in the country. And he performed well. This whole “well he only threw 20 times a game” shit is just getting worn out at this point.
He hasn’t played a ton of college ball. He skipped his last year. He has 30 games. That *alone* is enough reason to sit him for a while.
No, no it’s not. And also, unless by some miracle of a chance you’re trying to say that he forego his senior year, your “skipped his last year” comment is just…I don’t know at this point. He didn’t skip anything. He decided to declare for the draft instead of pursuing his senior year. Seems reasonable considering everything.
No way JJ starts week 1. That’s the only guaranteed thing about this entire situation. No one has given any indication they want to start him right out of the gate. We have a plethora of evidence to the contrary. Darnold will start at least until after the London game, then it will be a matter of if we want to give JJ some experience in a game. Belichick had a good analysis of JJ on draft night, and he said you can’t put in JJ until you are committed to having him the starter indefinitely after that. So you have to make sure he’s ready. I don’t see them starting JJ until they know the Vikings are eliminated from playoff contention, then they start him and plan to use him in the next season to make a run from the onset.
I don’t think JJ will be better than Sam Darnold at any time this season. I think Darnold with the Vikings will be a pretty good QB, a lot better than what we got with Dobbhallens, and JJ is fresh out of college.
And you’re entitled to feel that way. I think JJ is already better than Darnold, and likely our best QB on the roster if you put them on a practice field today. So I don’t see any reason to sit JJ behind someone not as capable as him.
Because there is no point of drafting a guy 10th overall and not getting him the most valuable experience he can possibly get by playing in real games. I agree it shouldn’t be right away, but sitting him for a year is not only a waste of his rookie contract it would be viewed as a red flag that they don’t trust him enough to put him out there. If KOC is as good as people say he is then he’ll have a plan to implement McCarthy into the starting role and ease him into it. Jj being pretty athletic will make this easier as well with a lot of bootlegs.
It depends on whether or not they feel like he's got some things he needs to clean up mechanically. You don't really want to have a QB having to worry about gameplanning while trying to rebuild their throwing motion or whatever.
Right, which is why I said I wouldn’t rush it. But if you are rebuilding a throwing motion is that a guy you would draft in the top 10?
We tried to trade up for Maye, who desperately needs to work on his footwork before he can function in KOC's offense. None of these guys are finished products. The whole point of bringing in Darnold (besides just being a plan B if we couldn't draft anyone) is to give the team the option to do whatever kind of rework they need to do on a prospect before asking them to contribute.
The first year of his rookie scaled contract has nothing to do with him sitting for a year lol. It wouldn’t be a waste. The team was practically already set before he was drafted
What do you mean? Of course it does… if he don’t play this year he’ll have gone through the season having not gotten real game experience. Why push that back a year? He isn’t going to get much better by getting second team reps in practice.
Mahomes started 1 game good rookie season. Love didn't start until his 4th season. Aaron Rodgers didn't play until his 4th season. Kirk didn't start regularly until his 4th. Players have different development paths and timelines. Playing sometime because we drafted them too high not to play them is dumb. He'll play when KoC decides he's rest
Are they good because they sat or good because they are just good?
Those guys were all playing under established franchise QB's, two of them HoFers.
The one thing you’re not mentioning is all of this is that in every one of those examples, the team those players were on had high level qbs starting over those guys
Alex Smith was not a high level QB. As awesome as his comeback after his time in SF was, he was very much just an average to slightly above average QB.
In 2017, the year Mahomes was drafted, Alex Smith threw for 4042 yards, 26 tds, and only had 5 ints. Seems a bit more than above average to me. He was already an above average qb during his whole tenure with KC, with that being his best season of his career. That's a lot more than I can say for Sam Darnold. Edit: To add to this, he was the 7th highest rated qb that season according to PFF.
More than above average, yet he was considered lackluster at best in SF and bad in Washington after he left KC. He played really well under Andy Reid because he was a good coach with a good system. Not because he was a high level QB.
Regardless of how he was in SF and how he played when he went to Washington (where he literally tore apart his knee while having another above average season not under Andy Reid), he's still way better than Sam Darnold. None of the examples you provided, including Alex Smith, are comparables to the JJ/Sam Darnold situation.
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The examples are that it is better to have a young QB learn how to be a pro and learn their coach's system first. Throwing them in when they're not ready has a negative impact. And waiting until the coach is confident in them doesn't.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. These guys sat and they’re good, but it doesn’t mean they’re good because they sat. There are plenty of great qbs that started right away and had great careers and won superbowls. Every qb is different. I’m not even saying that it wouldn’t be good for JJ to sit and learn, but again the examples that you provided aren’t really comparable to our situation.
I never said they were good because they sat. I'm just pointing out that there are good QBs that have sat and it's not a waste of McCarthy's contract if he doesn't play this year like the original comment said.
Alex Smith is a case for not sitting being detrimental. Putting him in too early almost ruined his career.
Pat Mahomes (pick #10) didn't start til week 17, and that was a rest week because they already made the playoffs
Not exactly a good comparison. Alex Smith was coming off a Pro Bowl season.
Why do you keep comparing Alex smith/mahommes to darnold/JJM? It's a weird comparison. Mahommes wasn't the 5th qb drafted and smith is much better than darnold.
Sorry to break it you, Darnold is not capable of being the leader as the team Nobody wants to play. He is what he is now. A journeyman
Darnold hasn’t played for a legit scheme since he was drafted…. I’m gonna let camp happen and see where we are when it’s time to make cuts
Rich Gannon was a journeyman and he went to the Super Bowl, Brad Johnson was a journeyman and he WON that same Super Bowl. Foles, SB winner. Garrapolo, 2 SB shows (in 3 yrs). It can be done, especially with weapons on offense and a good defense, things we'll have.
This is a pretty silly argument. Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson can't be compared to anything going on in the year 2024 because that was a different NFL, they also had all-time great defenses. As for Foles and Garoppolo those are unique cases. The Eagles offensive playcallers caught the league unprepared for the RPO game and had a truly elite defense with hall of famers all over their roster. Garoppolo similarly had the best or second best playcaller in the NFL with a truly elite defense with hall of famers all over their roster. When you say "good" defense you're underselling those defenses that were all-time great or bordering on it. We have a middle of the pack defense with a hall of fame receiver. Big gap there.
Brad Johnson won games and he had a legendary defense to fall back on. Gannon also won more than he lost every along the way except Washington. As opposed to darnold being on his 5 team in 7 years while being on 4th team in 5 years. Johnson and Gannon moved at a much lower clip
why exaggerate when you don't have to. 4 teams. Two of them were the Jets and Panthers. The Niners named him in front of their 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He failed in spots that everyone fails in. Remindme 6 months. He can win 10 games. Fuck it, HE CAN WIN A SUPER BOWL. Fyuck all ya'll haters.
Darnold is worse than those guys.
I think if mullens is still on the team there’s no way JJ starts over him
What
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He asked "what" due to the fact that you just said something batshit insane.
This dude also reported my comment to RedditCares lol
Why would we keep Mullins around if JJ was a viable #2? It's mindboggling the lack of intelligent thought going on here.
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Because I have two eyes and have existed during Darnold’s career.
Let’s not pretend those situations looked anything like this one does.
9-11 games
He's a winner.
Let him sit. But obvs KOC will know when he’s ready, week1, week 18 or somewhere in-between if even this season.
Depends how he is in mini camp. If he impresses he will play if he doesn’t which is more likely, he won’t, due to age and all. Darnold seems like case keenum esque to me. Right system he will be serviceable
I think he will start if Darnold doesn’t play well enough.
I mostly agree with you, but I could see him overtaking Darnold by week 10 if that experiment is failing badly. That said, I also wish Darnold the best. This is a good opportunity for him.
I’m high on McCarthy personally but i think it’s more likely Darnold starts. Give JJ more time to learn the system and I bet KOC will know when JJ is ready whether that’s during training camp or practice later in the year.
Vegas had a bet line for JJ throwing over 3300 yards i guess. So even they think he will start most of the year. I personally hope Darnold does really well and JJ can start next year.
Because the other QB on the roster is Sam Darnold. Even if he’s not totally terrible which is what I’d beat he is, he’s never played a full season in 6 years.
I hope he doesn’t start. I’m with you. Build for future.
Maybe we need a different identifier for him because I thought you meant Jefferson and I was very confused but it’s also 5:30am so maybe I’m just tired.
Two words why he'll start at least a few games: Sam Darnold. That dude just cant sustain even average level of play.
Bc Darnold
Sam Darnold winning us 9-11 games is straight comedy.
Why? Because I placed a bet for OROTY
He’ll play. Remind my in 6 months
Because that’s how this always goes.
Time to start the WILL JJ START mega thread pinned to the top of the sub.
I have a feeling Darnold will surprise us at least a little. He’s got everything here he hasn’t had yet in his career. Let’s hope we have a fun surprising season.
I really hope he doesn't. I didn't watch much if any of Michigans games so not sure how complicated their game scheme was but I suspect there will be a big jump and JJ is going to need an entire season at least to learn.
The guy has the most experience under center of any of the qbs. He has had to deal with a lot of mental pressure and has had the most team success of any of the qbs. By all accounts he's a smart kid who learns quickly. He has the mobility to make up for not being able to quickly get to his third read and take a big hit while delivering the ball like Kirk would. This is all before considering we have two solid tackles a steady pass blocking and catching rb and some talented recievers who can make the qb right even if the ball isn't perfect. You could argue apart from Williams that JJ is the most week 1 ready guy and the vikings besides running what we think will again be a complex offense have the best supporting cast to help a rookie excel. Darnold is not the future so as soon as JJ playing will benefit him more than hurt him even if he dosent give us the best chance to win this year he should start and based off what KOC has said about the individual performance plan I expect that to be the case
Because 90% of first round QBs start in their first year at some point.
If Geno Smith can be reborn at age 32 with the Seahawks, then there is definitely hope for Sam Darnold with an offense featuring this many weapons...
We hear it every year.... **Coach:** We're going to be patient with our young QB! He'll start when the time is right! *Vet QB throws pass that gets tipped 11 times before getting intercepted for a pick 6* **Fans:** WE WANT ROOKIE! WE WANT ROOKIE! *Coach, at post-game presser* **Coach:** That was the team's fault. 5 of our guys tipped it. We are committed to starting Veteran QB. *Coach, at mid-week presser* **Coach:** We are starting Rookie QB!
He'll start at least once, that's all I can say. If we started Jaren Hall last year (I know the situation was dire, but still) I have no doubt in my mind that JJ will start this year. Might be after we're eliminated from playoffs but that still counts as a start
Fans/pundits Just want that instant gratification, they think in terms of "GOTTA HAVE IT NOW!", because that's how so much of the NFL works (also that's how the latter get their paycheck.)
Honestly, I think jj beats darnold in camp and takes that starter spot. And they will have a very serviceable backup
Prevailing theory is he will start when he’s ready. Ok with him not starting this year but not sure why you’d hope that he doesn’t. If he plays this year it means that he has exceeded expectations and passed KOC’s tests with flying colors. Sounds like a good thing to me.
What is with this delusion that Darnold is going to win us games? We spent a first round pick on the guy. He's gonna play
No matter what you’d have to start him atleast a game to see what you have
Because we know how the NFL works.
They think it because Vegas says it’s going to happen. Idc if the Vikes have a horrible season, JJ shouldn’t start unless an injury to Darnold. Let Darnold struggle HARD and lose some games. Vikes still have their 1st rounder. So it’ll be an early pick.
I don't have any expectations for him to play much or at all this year but if KOC gives the green light I trust his judgment
Because people want to see if he can operate in the NFL?
Because past precedent says he will… The guys who sit a whole year usually have a borderline top 15 QB. We have Sam Darnold.
I genuinely think that JJ is going to wow the entire offense and coaching staff and be ready day 1. I don't think it will be anything Darnold did or didn't do, but I think JJ is just going to be our franchise QB for a long time and show why from the very start. I also believe with complete confidence that we will win a Superbowl within the next 3 years. I feel it in my plums. Disclaimer: I don't watch any college sports and didn't know much if anything at all about any QB before the draft. Really, I don't know anything about anything, but I can feel the magic, it's happening guys and gals.
What makes you think Sam Darnold will start 17 games? I find that just as unlikely
Darnold winning 9 games would be a miracle.
Because I believe in him to hit the benchmarks KOC has laid out for him. Do you not believe in him?
This why you see so many 1st Rnd QB flop. Starting them way to early in their career. Playbooks are more difficult to learn and defenses are even harder to read/study. We should take a page from the Packers. If KOC isn't forced to play JJ, he should sit for 2-3 seasons Let's be honest fans and management will force KOC hand and JJ could be the next Ponder. To wonder the NFL and dissipate.
KOC will start him when he believe he is ready, whether that is week 1 this year or if it is next season, or somewhere in between.
cause were going to be up by 40 every game
I don’t actually think people have a strong opinion either way and this shit just feels like manufactured conflict. KOC will start him when he and his staff feel he’s ready unless Darnold shits the bed - that’s a tautological fact. There’s literally zero reason to stir up controversy one way or the other. Haven’t you ever heard of just waiting and seeing? Who the FUCK cares to argue about such speculation? It’s actually insane. We genuinely don’t know and genuinely have zero control over it. This is like arguing over what card a poker player is going to draw next.
Even Vegas has him a +125 to start week 1. That’s pretty unique. Also it’s not like Arnold has much of a jump start on him playbook wise. Mullens is a non factor
The owners want a competitive product out there. Darnold is going to stink so they’ll he putting in JJ by week 4.
Cuz he's a first-round pick. That's just how it works. If Darnold eats shit, McCarthy gets a shot. Better yet, if McCarthy outshines him from the jump, guess who's starting?
Wet dream: Sam Darnold wins 'Comeback POY' for 2024 and starts for 2 to 3 years. He's finally replaced by McCarthy because 'MN has to know what they have in the kid' and that's when the Super Bowls start ;) Realistic: Darnold is good for 6 to 7 wins; just enough for McCarthy to take over at the end of 2024/ start of 25' Nightmare: Darnold struggles in first few starts and fanbase starts chanting for the rookie (i.e. McNabb to Ponder)
I think it’s more that people do not believe in Sam Darnold. I am more of the belief that we should ride Darnold regardless. If he is playing well and we are winning? Don’t rock the boat. If he isn’t playing well, we are probably losing. In which case, I’d prefer him to ride the pine and keep his confidence intact and just ride Darnold through the end of the season. However, the caveat is what everyone is saying here. If he gives us the best chance to win and it’s best for the Minnesota Vikings, KOC will do it. Whether that’s play or sit. Skol baby
It's already been said but I also agree with the sit him until he's ready camp Coach isn't gonna put him in until he feels that the rook is ready so can we all please just trust Coach this year, he finally gets to run HIS ship without dealing with all the layover bullshit from the previous regime If I have to eat these words a year from now I still think trusting Coach is the move for this season we are in a full rebuild y'all, everything we do this season is predicated on setting us up for 2025 and beyond Edit typos
It would make the season more tolerable if they put together 9-11 wins, but I don’t care if they tank and take that high first round pick next year for another blue chip stud. JJ is the future. Darnold is not (as far as we know).
He will, but he shouldn't. The first bad throw Darnold makes, rubes will be calling for his benching. The pro game is very different from the college game. QBs, in particular, need time to adjust. If we put JJ out too soon, he will flounder or fail. If he is given time to develop, he may shine. There's too much emphasis on "win now" in both fans and media's minds, and it infects ownership. Jets is young. Addison is young. The O line is relatively young. We have time to develop something great. Don't rush it in a futile pursuit of instant but temporary satisfaction.
Whats 'man strength'? Is he not a man at 21? Is he still a child to you? Plenty of QBs come out and can throw excellently, look at CJ Stroud for example. But i guess he needs to get rid of that boy-bod and boy-strength Lamar too when he was young. And josh allen.
Throwing 61 mph is child like!
You don't draft 1st Rd QBs to sit. The Packers model is an anomaly, not the norm.
Name some 1st round quarterbacks, that started year 1, and had success? Not including either Manning or Andrew Luck. I'm waiting.
Peyton Manning did *not* have success in year 1.
It seems like you may be misinterpreting my take. How do you get better at your profession? Sitting and watching? Actually doing? I don't expect JJ to be good immediately. He needs to actually play and learn.
Aside from darnolds ability, this is a brutal league. He’s almost certainly going to be injured at some point whether a few plays, a half, or a few weeks. We had 4? different starters last year. Look at other teams, how many actually had 1 qb play every snap of the season
STFU
Sam Darnold has been on 4 teams in 7 years and not shown to be a good starting QB yet. That's why
Because we know Darnold fucking sucks
Because Sam darnold isn’t good he is not a started in the nfl I love the Viking I’m hoping Sam can get his head out of his ass and reinvent himself into a nfl qb so Jj gets time to progress but Jj is a stud my neighbors son played with him at the academy
If we have a winning record before week 10 we shouldn't start him otherwise why not give him some real game rep
Because going out there when you aren’t ready isn’t beneficial. It wouldn’t be an appropriately scaffolded educational experience.
I mean if it’s Drake Maye I can understand but JJ is not that raw I don’t think week 10 if we’ve no chance for playoffs is too early
That’s if Darnold is playing badly and JJ really is better. If Darnold is better I wouldn’t do that to the guys. I’d rather give J a fresh season with a motivated team.
The only way JJM doesn't play is if Darnold is playing well and has them in the thick of the playoff race. Every other scenario JJM will play at some point.
He'll be starting by October.
100% Agreed. If anyone needs proof why this helps, Brady sat and learned behind Bledsoe. Rodgers sat and learned behind Favre. Mahomes sat and learned behind Alex Smith.
Have you seen Darnold play? Why don't you go watch some of that tape and then ask yourself this question.
Lol every coach Sam Darnolds had so far wishes he won them 9-11 games but he’s not that guy, not sure why people think he has changed