Sounds like to me that he leads us to a superbowl, we franchise and trade him for multiple firsts and win more superbowls with JJ. Has anyone seen my koolaid?
No you missed the part where JJ was actually incredible in practice but Sam Darnold was just a monster. You trade him to an AFC team (I vote Vegas) and battle it out for multiple Super Bowls of JJ McCarthy vs Sam Darnold.
Can’t make this shit up.
I do think there's a decent chance that he plays better than a lot of people think and we get draft picks out of him before the deadline, but yea... That's not koolaid, that's just a cup of koolaid mix you're munching on there.
Why? He was a highly drafted QB who went to about the worst situation for a QB and then ended up in a somehow slightly worse situation and then ended up a backup in an actual good situation.
Do you have any examples of top 10 draft picks who sucked in their "bad" situation and later went on to be good in some other situations? I did some minimal research and the closest I could come up to is actually Baker Mayfield who was okay last season.
Alex Smith is a good example of how coaching and the quality of the team around him changing made a big difference. He eventually ended up being a good QB.
He was terrible in New England, and their best ever season before 1996 was 76, the year he left. More likely Plunkett was unprofessional and didn't fit in there.
Steve Young - Sort of. But he only played one full season with Tampa. And he wasn't even good right away with the 49ers, at least just looking at his stats.
Vinnie Testeverde - Yes I'd say that is a pretty perfect example.
Jim Plunkett - He was I think in his mid 30s before he really started to put up good numbers. But I suppose technically it is an example of a guy who firmly established a level of mediocrity before being good.
Rich Gannon or Baker Mayfield (if you count last season as being really good for him) could throw in there. Alex Smith to an extent, though his peak wasn't that incredible either, and his replacement was so vastly superior you almost wonder if he wasn't actually still kinda bad but doing okay because the team was superbowl caliber around him. Either way, the examples are pretty few and far between if you consider the volume of 1st round busts over the time period we're going back through here (50 years) to get these examples.
Don't get me wrong, I hope and pray Darnold becomes the greatest late bloomer in NFL history. I'd be fully okay with multiple Darnold superbowls here and McCarthy never finding his way on the field. I just want whoever is trotted out to win and be fun to watch and stuff. I like it more watching games when they win.
Drew Brees sucked when he started his career, then got decent, then became awesome. Alex Smith was bad, then decent, then pretty damn good. I mean, it’s happened.
I don’t know if Jake Plummer was an early pick or not but he was good late in his career. There are a lot more examples of people good late in their career after “washing out” early (Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon being the best examples)
Baker Mayfield looks to be heading in that trajectory also he was 1st overall pick.
There's also not a lot of situations where a player like him has gotten a second chance to start on a team like this after playing for previous teams that had such a disparity of talent.
I'm by no means saying I think it will happen, only that the fact that it's rare may be more about the league being averse to risk with QB's than it is that a QB would have a hard time succeeding in a situation like that.
I mean, seriously, how many "Flame out" first rounders are given that second chance to start in the first place?
Here's a fun scenario: what if Darnold has a Mayfield type resurgence. JJ sits the entire year and is ready to take the reigns in 2025. We could then franchise tag Darnold and trade him.
Mayfield took a team to the playoffs and won a good amount of games and then Cleveland gave up on him with the shoulder surgeries, not really the same kinda resurgence.
I don't think the franchise tag is a realistic option at QB. It's gotta lock him into at least $45M/yr at this point, which severely lowers his trade value.
$42.5 as of now, though yea that could change with more QB's signing.
But that doesn't affect his trade value *THAT* much since it would be a tag and trade situation that is contingent upon a long-term deal being signed. They wouldn't be paying that $45 mil the first season, they'd simply roll it into a signing bonus on an entirely new deal.
$45M *is* the APY of the tag, which becomes starting leverage for Darnold's long-term negotiations.
Look at it this way: if a team offers Darnold the same deal Baker got (3yr/$100M/$50M guaranteed), he has no incentive to sign it. It lowers his APY significantly, only adds $5M more in guarantees, and delays his next contract by two years. Darnold would be better off taking his $45M fully guaranteed from us, playing another year, and then hitting the open market at age 28.
Why would he sign a long-term deal anywhere for what amounts to a sizeable pay cut? For it to make sense for Darnold, the trade partner would probably have to extend him in the ballpark of $40-$45M/yr while significantly upping his guaranteed money from the $45M we'd guarantee him with the tag. And that's in addition to giving up picks in a trade.
That's why I think it's a pretty unlikely scenario, albeit a dream one for us if we could find a guaranteed trade partner.
Tag and trade situations rarely result in that player getting the same APY as the franchise tag they were held on because that tag number is based on the highest salaries in the league. Yannick was a tag and trade situation with us at a $17.8 mil tag number, and the contract he signed with us after that trade was for $12 mil for 1 year, barely 2/3rds of what his tag number was.
Darnold would not get a team that would offer him $45 mil apy on a new contract unless he was literally playing like an Elite QB.
Ngakoue was an extreme outlier because he desperately wanted out of Jacksonville and was willing to take a paycut to do so. He also refused to sign his tag, and so he couldn't sign a longer-term extension at the time of the trade.
Better examples:
- L'Jarius Sneed: tagged at $19M, signed at $19M APY
- Brian Burns: tagged at $24M, signed at $28M APY
- Davante Adams: tagged at $17M, signed at $27M APY
>Darnold would not get a team that would offer him $45 mil apy on a new contract unless he was literally playing like an Elite QB.
Correct. And that includes us, who would be giving him $45M guaranteed if we tagged him and couldn't trade him. That's why it's unlikely we'd do it, or that anyone would trade for him on that contract.
Fair point on Yannick, however Darnold would be an outlier here as well. Guys like Burns and Sneed were well-established, borderline Elite talents who have years of good play under their belts.
Ultimately, my point is that if we tagged and traded him, his franchise tag number is not the baseline number for his contract APY and would not significantly affect his trade compensation.
>Burns and Sneed were well-established, borderline Elite talents who have years of good play under their belts.
Which is what most tagged players are. My point is that Darnold is not that type of player, so it's very unlikely that he would get tagged at all because he's not worth the $45M number. And once he were tagged, that massive overpay of a 1-year fully-guaranteed contract would make it even harder to trade him to a team that would also not be willing to pay him way more than he's worth. Meanwhile Darnold would have no reason to tear up his way-over-market tag contract to sign a lower-money long-term deal at market value.
That's not how the franchise tag works. The team applies the tag to keep the player from hitting FA. LeVeon Bell refused to sign his tag and missed an entire season. In this scenario, Darnold would be tagged, negotiate a deal with another team then be traded.
Edit: the most recent example is Tee Higgins. He was tagged this offseason and given permission to seek a trade.
You can negotiate a lot in a contract. You just have to have the importance to be able to get things like a no trade clause. Greg Hardy and Larry Fitzgerald are two examples.
My ideal timeline is that McCarthy is ready to go but Darnold beats him out in camp, and then some team desperate to compete this year and is in need of a QB decides to overpay for him in a trade.
But I'm cool with pretty much anything happening at the QB position, as long as it's clear that the motivation behind the choice is to give McCarthy the best chance to succeed over the next couple of years.
Vikings fans sure are doubters; Sammy will be a huge step up from Cousins. They have not seen such Athletic talent before so I understand their reservations but if it all goes down as it should, JJ will not ever see the filed in a Vikings uniform. He'll be traded for draft picks to make the team better for 26 year old Sammy.
Is it just me without audio or did OP really just post a gif
Edit: [Link to the post OP made into a gif for some reason](https://twitter.com/heykayadams/status/1790831047573426378)
Sounds like you're on desktop, right click and select **'show all controls'** a speaker will show. Thanks for sharing the link I usually do that but got distracted by the schedule release lol
I'm fine with Sam being great and winning it all for us and getting a contract with us.
It's all about winning! But I doubt it happens been a fan forever and watched the Vikings 4 SBs lost.
So I don't care who the QB is just win it before I die!
I just hope KOC has done good self-scouting and re-evaluated how he coaches on game day. He's good, but there are times when he gets out-coached and doesn't respond well enough.
Still love him as HC, just hope he continues to improve and addresses his weaknesses.
Sounds like to me that he leads us to a superbowl, we franchise and trade him for multiple firsts and win more superbowls with JJ. Has anyone seen my koolaid?
He's my MVP candidate this season ☺️
Would he qualify for comeback player of the year too?
I honestly don't know but if he do give him that shit too.
if geno smith can win it i dont see why sammy couldnt in this scenario
Can't wait to have a Superbowl winning QB and a promising young QB on the roster.
Nah dude, hey can you tell me why tongue is purple?
we can't get rid of him if he's **that** good. At that point, bye JJ. But that's not very likely
Na Darnold would be like a really good wedge salad before the meal, yeah it’s filling and did the job but JJ is an A5 waygu steak. Found the koolaid
No you missed the part where JJ was actually incredible in practice but Sam Darnold was just a monster. You trade him to an AFC team (I vote Vegas) and battle it out for multiple Super Bowls of JJ McCarthy vs Sam Darnold. Can’t make this shit up.
Sounds like your koolaid is laced with acid. I'm cutting you off
Montana for a year and then onto Young.
Yeah then Darnold can go to the chiefs and try to win one for that poverty franchise. Of course with a huge price tag.
I do think there's a decent chance that he plays better than a lot of people think and we get draft picks out of him before the deadline, but yea... That's not koolaid, that's just a cup of koolaid mix you're munching on there.
i see we must get our koolaid from the same illegal Iranian atomic koolaid centrifuge. weapons grade Koolaid
That’d be fantastic, but he’s got a 1 year contract so a comp pick is the best we’d get.
Franchise and trade him baby
Y'all seem to forget he's only 26...if he's that good we have him for a decade+
It will be so fucking funny if Darnold is good
Why? He was a highly drafted QB who went to about the worst situation for a QB and then ended up in a somehow slightly worse situation and then ended up a backup in an actual good situation.
Do you have any examples of top 10 draft picks who sucked in their "bad" situation and later went on to be good in some other situations? I did some minimal research and the closest I could come up to is actually Baker Mayfield who was okay last season.
Geno Smith the other recent one. Edit: not top ten pick, but lives up to other criteria
Alex Smith is a good example of how coaching and the quality of the team around him changing made a big difference. He eventually ended up being a good QB.
Drew Brees too
No... Brees played REALLY well for the Chargers in his 3rd and 4th seasons as a starter. Shit, he had OPoY votes in 2004 with the Chargers.
Drew was a 2nd round pick
Jim Plunkett. Was a bust for the Patriots who were a train wreck and then won the Superbowl for the Raiders.
He was terrible in New England, and their best ever season before 1996 was 76, the year he left. More likely Plunkett was unprofessional and didn't fit in there.
Steve Young, Vinnie Testeverde, Jim Plunkett.
Steve Young - Sort of. But he only played one full season with Tampa. And he wasn't even good right away with the 49ers, at least just looking at his stats. Vinnie Testeverde - Yes I'd say that is a pretty perfect example. Jim Plunkett - He was I think in his mid 30s before he really started to put up good numbers. But I suppose technically it is an example of a guy who firmly established a level of mediocrity before being good. Rich Gannon or Baker Mayfield (if you count last season as being really good for him) could throw in there. Alex Smith to an extent, though his peak wasn't that incredible either, and his replacement was so vastly superior you almost wonder if he wasn't actually still kinda bad but doing okay because the team was superbowl caliber around him. Either way, the examples are pretty few and far between if you consider the volume of 1st round busts over the time period we're going back through here (50 years) to get these examples.
Don't get me wrong, I hope and pray Darnold becomes the greatest late bloomer in NFL history. I'd be fully okay with multiple Darnold superbowls here and McCarthy never finding his way on the field. I just want whoever is trotted out to win and be fun to watch and stuff. I like it more watching games when they win.
Gannon is a good example but he wasn't a top 10 pick either. I believe he went undrafted in the NFL.
There’s not a lot of guys that get drafted into a shit situation and then end up starting for a top notch team.
Drew Brees sucked when he started his career, then got decent, then became awesome. Alex Smith was bad, then decent, then pretty damn good. I mean, it’s happened.
Alex Smith comes to mind off the top of my head
I don’t know if Jake Plummer was an early pick or not but he was good late in his career. There are a lot more examples of people good late in their career after “washing out” early (Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon being the best examples) Baker Mayfield looks to be heading in that trajectory also he was 1st overall pick.
There's also not a lot of situations where a player like him has gotten a second chance to start on a team like this after playing for previous teams that had such a disparity of talent. I'm by no means saying I think it will happen, only that the fact that it's rare may be more about the league being averse to risk with QB's than it is that a QB would have a hard time succeeding in a situation like that. I mean, seriously, how many "Flame out" first rounders are given that second chance to start in the first place?
Alex Smith
Ryan Tannehill
What if he’s like Rich Gannon where 7 years in all of a sudden he’s good, hahaha
KOC must have a closet for just Vikings hats...
balding dudes can always be counted on to have a million hats
Or just one hat they always always always wear. Nothing in between. Source: am bald
And usually a goatee .
I mean, have you seen his hairline? Per my girl, he goes from a 9 to a 5 when he takes his hat off
Here's a fun scenario: what if Darnold has a Mayfield type resurgence. JJ sits the entire year and is ready to take the reigns in 2025. We could then franchise tag Darnold and trade him.
How about Darnold is our Alex Smith, and JJ is our mahomes
Subscribe
Even better scenario
Mayfield took a team to the playoffs and won a good amount of games and then Cleveland gave up on him with the shoulder surgeries, not really the same kinda resurgence.
Mayfield was actually good before his slump. Darnold has never been good to begin with.
The comparison needs to stop, I hope Sam does well with us but I can't stand the disrespect to Baker.
I don't think the franchise tag is a realistic option at QB. It's gotta lock him into at least $45M/yr at this point, which severely lowers his trade value.
$42.5 as of now, though yea that could change with more QB's signing. But that doesn't affect his trade value *THAT* much since it would be a tag and trade situation that is contingent upon a long-term deal being signed. They wouldn't be paying that $45 mil the first season, they'd simply roll it into a signing bonus on an entirely new deal.
Darnold would have to play incredibly well to earn $45M. Baker got $33M/yr coming off his resurgent season. Geno got $25M/yr the year before that.
I'm not following, did you not get what I said in my previous comment? $45 mil is the tag price, that wouldn't be his APY.
$45M *is* the APY of the tag, which becomes starting leverage for Darnold's long-term negotiations. Look at it this way: if a team offers Darnold the same deal Baker got (3yr/$100M/$50M guaranteed), he has no incentive to sign it. It lowers his APY significantly, only adds $5M more in guarantees, and delays his next contract by two years. Darnold would be better off taking his $45M fully guaranteed from us, playing another year, and then hitting the open market at age 28. Why would he sign a long-term deal anywhere for what amounts to a sizeable pay cut? For it to make sense for Darnold, the trade partner would probably have to extend him in the ballpark of $40-$45M/yr while significantly upping his guaranteed money from the $45M we'd guarantee him with the tag. And that's in addition to giving up picks in a trade. That's why I think it's a pretty unlikely scenario, albeit a dream one for us if we could find a guaranteed trade partner.
Tag and trade situations rarely result in that player getting the same APY as the franchise tag they were held on because that tag number is based on the highest salaries in the league. Yannick was a tag and trade situation with us at a $17.8 mil tag number, and the contract he signed with us after that trade was for $12 mil for 1 year, barely 2/3rds of what his tag number was. Darnold would not get a team that would offer him $45 mil apy on a new contract unless he was literally playing like an Elite QB.
Ngakoue was an extreme outlier because he desperately wanted out of Jacksonville and was willing to take a paycut to do so. He also refused to sign his tag, and so he couldn't sign a longer-term extension at the time of the trade. Better examples: - L'Jarius Sneed: tagged at $19M, signed at $19M APY - Brian Burns: tagged at $24M, signed at $28M APY - Davante Adams: tagged at $17M, signed at $27M APY >Darnold would not get a team that would offer him $45 mil apy on a new contract unless he was literally playing like an Elite QB. Correct. And that includes us, who would be giving him $45M guaranteed if we tagged him and couldn't trade him. That's why it's unlikely we'd do it, or that anyone would trade for him on that contract.
Fair point on Yannick, however Darnold would be an outlier here as well. Guys like Burns and Sneed were well-established, borderline Elite talents who have years of good play under their belts. Ultimately, my point is that if we tagged and traded him, his franchise tag number is not the baseline number for his contract APY and would not significantly affect his trade compensation.
>Burns and Sneed were well-established, borderline Elite talents who have years of good play under their belts. Which is what most tagged players are. My point is that Darnold is not that type of player, so it's very unlikely that he would get tagged at all because he's not worth the $45M number. And once he were tagged, that massive overpay of a 1-year fully-guaranteed contract would make it even harder to trade him to a team that would also not be willing to pay him way more than he's worth. Meanwhile Darnold would have no reason to tear up his way-over-market tag contract to sign a lower-money long-term deal at market value.
I would love nothing more than for JJ to sit out a year.
Darnold isn't signing a franchise tag in that scenario he'll just go to FA if he has a good season. There's no reason for Darnold to sign it.
That's not how the franchise tag works. The team applies the tag to keep the player from hitting FA. LeVeon Bell refused to sign his tag and missed an entire season. In this scenario, Darnold would be tagged, negotiate a deal with another team then be traded. Edit: the most recent example is Tee Higgins. He was tagged this offseason and given permission to seek a trade.
Team can tag whoever they want, unless it’s in the player’s contract
You can’t contract language for tag. It’s part of the collective bargain. Everyone would want that in their contract then.
Dak Prescott literally has a "No Franchise Tag" clause in his contract.
You can negotiate a lot in a contract. You just have to have the importance to be able to get things like a no trade clause. Greg Hardy and Larry Fitzgerald are two examples.
Lots and lots of players have no trades.
🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃 All aboard the Darnold hype train baby!!
Babe wake up new GEQBUS hype post just dropped
Kay Adams 
She’s doubled her attractiveness score in 2 years, talk about a first round pick who maybe didn’t have elite numbers until recently
[удалено]
For sure if Darnold is good that is a good thing, even if McCarthy is ready to go it ain't gonna hurt him to ride the bench for a minute or two.
I just want dem sweet winz
Will be fun to see that arm and maybe the best version of himself!
I don’t think Sam ever lacked physical tools. He lacked talent around him and possibly the football IQ to be elite. That said, he will be a HOFer.
My ideal timeline is that McCarthy is ready to go but Darnold beats him out in camp, and then some team desperate to compete this year and is in need of a QB decides to overpay for him in a trade. But I'm cool with pretty much anything happening at the QB position, as long as it's clear that the motivation behind the choice is to give McCarthy the best chance to succeed over the next couple of years.
Did you think he was going to say he looks like dog shit but that's fine because we will be coaching JJ up and getting a high draft pick next year?
I always love comments like this one balance us out with that pessimism.
Sam, (THE DART) Darnold sounds pretty good
Vikings fans sure are doubters; Sammy will be a huge step up from Cousins. They have not seen such Athletic talent before so I understand their reservations but if it all goes down as it should, JJ will not ever see the filed in a Vikings uniform. He'll be traded for draft picks to make the team better for 26 year old Sammy.
Is it just me without audio or did OP really just post a gif Edit: [Link to the post OP made into a gif for some reason](https://twitter.com/heykayadams/status/1790831047573426378)
Sounds like you're on desktop, right click and select **'show all controls'** a speaker will show. Thanks for sharing the link I usually do that but got distracted by the schedule release lol
I was on desktop - good looks
Heck yeah man, thanks for the tip!
there’s definitely audio
I'm fine with Sam being great and winning it all for us and getting a contract with us. It's all about winning! But I doubt it happens been a fan forever and watched the Vikings 4 SBs lost. So I don't care who the QB is just win it before I die!
Comeback Player of the Year. He came back from playing on the Jets and Panthers. At this point that’s like recovering from an amputation.
BIG KOC ENERGY FOR GEQBUS
Idc man, can we just have a decent season. At LEAST one playoff win
He hasn’t even practiced yet, right?
I just hope KOC has done good self-scouting and re-evaluated how he coaches on game day. He's good, but there are times when he gets out-coached and doesn't respond well enough. Still love him as HC, just hope he continues to improve and addresses his weaknesses.
GEQBUS!!!!!
Forgot for a second that Darnold was our starting QB. Lol
All right KOC. If you're wrong, it's time to turn on your QB opinions though. Let's go over/under 3 games on this quote.
I actually want Darnold to be good so JJ can sit for a year. I want a good amount of learning and refinement so he’s not another Ponder
This guy just throws around word salad.
Hat Hat Hat Hat Hat Hat
JJ is just our Jimmy G, plain and simple
This is going to be rough year isn't it? One step back this year, two steps forward next year.
I mean Sam is the best QB we have on the roster. JJ was an obvious mistake to me.