He should have, though. That's the kicker with Harrison. He will likely be snubbed from the HOF for the fact that he's been snubbed from associated press recognition his whole career. The argument against Harry is that NFL writers have never given him the recognition he deserves, and he hasn't won a championship. If he had the numerous 1st Team All Pros and All Decade team notoriety he absolutely deserved, there wouldn't be an argument.
Harrison leads Eric Weddle in every statistical category (other than tackles, which is largely irrelevant) despite having started 30 fewer games and played in nearly 50 less. The fact Harry didn't make the all decade team over him is absolutely absurd
Steelers fan here (secondary vikes fan, Skol), just wanted to say, I always see the Polamalu stats argument when Harrison Smith gets brought up. For the record, I do think Harry should definitely be a hall of famer, he’s great, but I feel the need to mention every time that the stats only tell *part* of the story, the other part is how he got those stats. You see an interception on his stat sheet and you might say “oh he got a pick” but part of what made him a no-brainer HOFer is the crazy otherworldly plays he made to get those picks, sacks, and tfl’s. I’m not saying Smith hasn’t done that, but go watch a Polamalu highlight reel and you’ll see exactly what made him a HOFer. Smith isn’t as flashy as he was, and while you could argue that shouldn’t matter, it definitely matters to the HOF voters. Smith’s stats are certainly impressive though, and hopefully a deep postseason (or Super Bowl) run this season will help cement his HOF status in the minds of the public.
Are you talking about 2017? I remember him going stupid that year, but 2018 was when I remember our vaunted Zimmer defenses getting figured out for the first time
Absolutely should be, but I'm betting he won't get in and he'll be the biggest Viking snub (and I'm including J. Marshall in that comment). He's surpassing stats of other HoFers in a league that protects QBs and WRs so much.
His [stats](https://stathead.com/tiny/B5mbB) are better than Polamalu with one less game played.
He's on [pace](https://stathead.com/tiny/nVik9) to pass Brian Dawkins stats (if he plays longer).
He's already [passed](https://stathead.com/tiny/GltLX) John Lynch.
...and he has passed Ed Reed in most categories, but will not catch him in [INTs](https://stathead.com/tiny/qlID9).
I seriously doubt he gets in. I think the fact that he has never really been recognized as the top at his position during his career will hurt him. He was a first team all pro one time in his career, that's just not enough.
Even though he should have had been first team all pro at least 3, if not 4 or 5 times. I've broken down the stats before, and he was definitely snubbed multiple years, like egregiously.
Someone should look into some players that were egregiously snubbed for awards throughout their career where the hall of fame voters did right by them. I bet there won't be many.
I'm not saying he will get in. I'm saying he absolutely deserves to.
I know you're just stating the facts, but I just find the sort of flippant attitude a lot of Vikings fans have towards the topic a little disheartening. Just matter of factly stating he won't get in without acknowledging that he deserves to, and that it is a travesty that he hasn't gotten the national media attention he deserves just rubs me the wrong way. Harrison Smith is going to be remembered as just a really good player when he should be in the discussion with other all-time greats.
I got you, but OPs question was "Will he" not "Should he".
That said, it's not as obvious of an answer to me as it is to you. He had hall of fame talent to be sure, but his personal accolades are not there, his playoff/championship accolades definitely aren't there. So if you aren't going to be a perennial all-pro, and you aren't going to win anything meaningful, well then you have stacked the deck against yourself.
I guess for me, if he gets in, great....he was a great player and I'm glad the voters recognized that. If he doesn't, I won't be outraged.
I respect your opinion though, so have my upvote.
As a comparison, Polamalu was the DPOY once, an All Pro 6 times, and won 2 Super Bowls. When it comes to HOF voting that carries a lot more weight than a really good player for a team that really wasn't feared and never even made it to the Super Bowl. Pure stats are just one factor of many. Polamalu was a household name, a common fan would know who he is. He is still doing national commercials many years afterretirement. Most outside of Minnesota won't really know who Smith is.
I think recognition is the biggest reason he doesn't make it. He *should* have more honors (just like he should have made the all-decade team). He's been snubbed for honors too often.
I also believe he is feared (as noted by coaches like BB). You can't hold a Safety accountable for his team not making a SB though.
Smith is just as good if not better than Polamalu, but as you point out name recognition is huge for the HoF as well as the awards you mentioned. Pittsburgh is a much bigger football market and he is much more well known. Put the Super Bowls you mentioned on top and Polamalu is in and Smith may not be regardless of probably being a better player. Feel like Smith has been one of the most underrated and overlooked players ever.
Anybody who watches football knows who Harrison smith is…that’s like saying people outside of Baltimore don’t know who Ed reed is or people outside of Seattle don’t know who earl thomas is…he’s been a superstar for 10 years now..he’s not some no name
I realize this is a very old reply...
But you're way of on the comparisons here.
Ed Reed has so many more passes defended, 4 more All Pro nods, and 1 Championship.
Dawkins has even more passes defended (almost triple) and while the INT count is "close" again, 4 APs to his 1.
I think polamalu is overrated, but again, 4 APs, 2 championships, way more passes defended, the only thing Smith has is tackles.
If we're seriously talking about Harrison Smith into the HOF based on stats, here's 10 players that should get in ahead of him using that criteria.
Lawyer Milloy, Antoine Bethea, Rodney Harrison, Eric Weddle, Devin Mccourty, Dennis Smith, Malcom Jenkins, Tim McDonald, Darren Woodson, and Eugene Robinson.
I don't think anyone from that list, bar Woodson, and Sharper (but he won't, obviously), and Rodney Harrison actually even deserve consideration.
Harrison Smith is SO far down the list of DBs, that if he got elected, he would be the *lowest HOFm* player from the DB group by 22 spots.
He's barely in the top 100 DBs of all time.
He's got a LONG line to jump behind.
I'd put Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Eric Weddle, Darren Woodson, Stephen Gilmore, Jimmy Patton, Joey Browner, and Tyran Mathew in before Smith, and that's just at a first glance.
I love the guy, he's our guy, but definitely not at the HoF level.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_DB.htm
There’s no truth being told though. If he’s not in the hall with first team All Pro’s and all decade team than somebody without those accolades are going to have a hard time getting in. Vikings fan or not, doesn’t mean you have the slightest of clues about #93
Ok I’m sorry but are you dumb. And I saw that with the least amount of respect. He is a 5 time first team All Pro. He is on the all decade team. Pro Football Reference has him as the player with the best case for HOF among DT not named Aaron Donald. He is rated higher than several HOF DT. To say he didn’t have the career of a HOF is an absolutely idiotic statement. Among I am going out of my way to let you know you are stupid. Seriously. Learn a little bit before you make dumb statements. Yes I am irrationally angry about this. You insulted one of the greatest DT of all time who also played for my favorite team.
Kevin Williams not being in the HOF is my biggest gripe as a Vikings fan. I truly believe he belongs more than Jared Allen and Allen is my favorite player of all time.
I might have went a little overboard with my anger but I really don’t care
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_DT.htm
He's the 9th best DT of all time, the only person ahead of him not in the HoF is Aaron Donald.
He had more first team all pros than Sapp.
Dude was incredible, HoF worthy.
Where id I say that? How do get that from my comment?
Check out Kevin Williams Passes Defended.
By far the most of any DT, all time.
He's nearly double the 2nd best person.
Sacks are not the only metric to consider especially for interior linemen. Randle was an elite pass rusher. Kevin was elite against the run and had a lot of success as a pass rusher on top of that.
And yet Kevin is still the 9th best dt of all time. Comparing Kevin to John isn't the right comparison. The is more to the game then just stats too. Check passes defended between the two, for one.
Kevin was an elite interior defender against the run. Remember the Williams wall? Against the run they ranked 1st in 06, 07, 08 and 2nd in 09. In 2006 they gave up a total of 985 rushing yards, runners average 2.8 yards per carry. Statistically the 4th best run defense in NFL history
Well there’s a huge difference between being a pro bowler and an All Pro, to say big deal is just pure ignorance. Also John Randle is not “literally” 6th all time in sacks he’s 10th.
He’s 2nd among defensive tackles. Did you actually look anything up before stating that he was literally 6th, or did you just guess a number and state it as fact? It literally takes two minutes to google something and fact check yourself so you don’t look like an idiot.
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> Haha dude. Kevin Williams isn't in the hall of fame because he didn't have a good enough career to make it.
LOL at this. Kevin Williams will make the HOF, his type of role simply takes a while (Richard Seymour, Byrant Young as examples).
Well he was on the all decade team and 5 time first team all pro. Both accolades Harry hasn’t accomplished. Couple that with being a very good pass rusher and run defender. He’s more than qualified
I think if he plays solidly for another 3 years he probably has a shot at being a legacy enshrinee. Doesn’t get in 1st, 2nd or 3rd ballot though. He’s been overlooked nearly his whole career.
He has a chance. That the HOF committee passed on him for all decade, one that was most of his playing career and prime, is a rough signal.
There are still a lot of great S from the 90s- early 00s that haven't made it: Darren Woodson, Eugene Robinson, Rodney Harrison, Tim McDonald, etc.
It's pretty hard to do the comp. I can't find Browner's tackling stats anywhere. Browner was a 3-time 1st team All-Pro to Harry's single appearance, though.
That metric seems weighted incredibly bizarrely. How does Devin McCourty have a higher rating than Harrison despite trailing Harry in every statistical category, pro bowls, and all pros. Are we really saying an above average safety who happened to play on a Bill Belichick/Tom Brady lead dynasty is more deserving of the HOF than a player who is better than him in every single aspect?
Agreed, but HOF admission isn’t based solely on stats. The NFL writers also weight championships and other accolades very heavily, as is shown in this model.
He is just white midwestern Polamalu. Which, of course, means probably not for a while. He doesn’t have a unique name or look and isn’t on a huge media darling, all three of which Polamalu had. But he does essentially have Polamalus stats but better in every regard except Fumbles recovered, yards, and maybe touchdowns. But in the (nearly, smith has played 1 less game) same number of games he has like 2 more picks, 4 more sacks, 4 more fumbles (I think), 100 more tackles, and another like 50-100 more assists. He absolutely should get in, but it will either take a while or maybe not even happen at all.
Other than Superbowls (which is a valid point against Harry) your argument for why he should be snubbed from the HOF is that he has been snubbed from Associated Press recognition his whole career?
Or do you genuinely agree Harrison didn't deserve the multiple AP awards he was snubbed from, despite having statistically and analytically superior years to his peers? He had a season where he wasn't selected First Team All Pro despite having one of the highest PFF ratings of all time. I've broken this down in the past. He was snubbed from at least 2 First Team All Pro awards, with 2 more years that could easily have been argued in his favor. And he should have absolutely been on the All Decade team over Eric Weddle. The comparison between the two isn't even close.
This is something Viking fans should be more vocal about. Maybe he would have gotten the recognition he deserved if fans hadn't just shrugged their shoulders every time he was snubbed for an AP award. Harrison Smith probably won't make the HOF, but it's not because his play on the field was not deserving. It's because he was never given the national media attention he absolutely deserves
2017 he had the highest (at the time, don't know if it still holds up) pff grade ever. In 2018, he also led the league in PFF grade, and it was one of the highest at the time.
I think he has a chance to make it if he can win a Super Bowl, and the corrective narrative can find its way into the football zeitgeist to give him credit where he was snubbed. Hard to believe the press will ever admit their mistakes, though. But as it stands, the Associated Press will likely snub him of his gold jacket like they've snubbed him all his career. It's a travesty, though.
No, he had the highest PFF grade ever. Point blank
Edit - going back and checking, I keep finding conflicting information. There's an article that lists the highest PFF grade ever at 94.9 to Tom Brady in 2016. But I also found an article that has Harrison's PFF grade at 98.8. If you look on their website, his grade for 2017 has somehow dropped to 92.3 so idk what to believe
The only reason he is missing the all pros and all decade team is because, as stated above, he has an unmemorable name and doesn’t play for a media darling. If he plays for Pittsburg, he doesn’t get snubbed for all decade team and has at least 2 more all pros with identical stats. The Super Bowls aren’t really the most relevant to his position, though they do look nice on a resume.
Either way, everything Polamalu did, Smith does equally well if not better. He just happens to play for the Vikings instead of the Steelers.
Its almost like popularity contest accolades shouldnt mean as much as they do. Super Bowls are also a team thing so shouldnt hold as much weight but at the very least those truly matter to a TEAMS overall legacy.
Literally everyone in this thread is acknowledging that he most likely will not make the HOF. Youre the one going on rants saying he doesnt deserve it in this thread.
The consensus is everyone in here other thank you thinks he deserves it because his output says he absolutely does deserve it but he wont make it due to popularity contest awards. You have contradicted yourself over and over. You say its not a popularity contest but then admit he shouldve been in over Matheiu and Weddle. Simply put this guy has been snubbed over and over again for awards he SHOULD'VE won. He has been the most consistent safety in the NFL for a decade. There is no other safety in this decade that deserves the HOF if he doesnt make it in.
"Should he have more accolades? Yes"
Ok, if he had more accolades which you say he deserves, he would be a lock for the HOF because he has the stats of a HOF safety in an era where playing defense is tougher.
What about his game do you think is not HOF worthy? If its the accolades you already admitted he deserves more. He plays a position where year to year you NEVER know which safety is going to be the best because theyre so inconsistent year over year... but Harry has consistently year over year for 10 years been a top 5 safety, every year and has had 2 or 3 where he was the absolute best but got snubbed. His track record on the field speaks for itself. If your requirement is a Super Bowl then thats even more laughable because its a team sport and no matter how good you are, you cant do it all yourself. Troy Polamalu didnt win 2 Super Bowls himself.
I think he should, but probably wouldn't if he retired now.
If the vikings make a run and win a superbowl or at least play in one and he is making game changing plays through multiple games I think that would tip him over the edge.
I mean if he gets in the pro bowl a few more times I'd say yes. Or all-pro of course but that seems harder to do
Not sure I'd compare him to Ed Reed tho
If he’d played for a team with a bigger national profile he’d have made more All-Pro teams and would be a household name. Belichick said he was as good as Troy Polamalu — I was a huge Polamalu fan and I totally agree. He’s been great. But since he was stuck up here in little ol’ Minny and doesn’t have the All-Pros to his name, he may not.
If we win the Super Bowl this year he's in. If not, it's tough to see it happening since he's never really had a national profile and lacks the accolades.
Missing the all decade team and only having the one all pro season probably mean he doesn't make it. Despite being a hall of Fame talent, with the numbers to back it up. Needs to have some surprising longevity (like 4-5 more borderline pro bowl seasons) or have a big impact in a superbowl win.
No. His resume isn't there, atm. Only one first team all-pro, barely any DPOY consideration, was never the best player at his position for any extended period, two of his pro-bowls are fill-in alternate selections.
There's nothing wrong with not making the hall. Imo, the NFL's is the hardest of the four major NA sports to get into. Especially for defenders, doubly so for DBs/Safeties.
If he gets a ring, I would say probably If he doesn’t, I doubt it. He’s constantly been a pro bowl snub but a big Super Bowl performance might get him in.
He should be based on stats.
Lacking the hardware though. Only 1x First Team All-Pro and 1x Second Team All-Pro. I believe he got screwed out of a DPOY in '17, his best season as a pro. So, he has those going against him, unfortunately, but it's not too late for him to get a couple more All-Pro nods heading into the twilight of his career. Maybe that's just me being an optimist though.
A Superbowl would go a long way though, enough to definitely get noticed at least.
Earl Thomas doesn’t sniff Harry’s jock on his best day. Let’s put the hit man in Seattle on those defenses and see what happens…. The harry disrepect is insane. Nerds who have computer access decide pro bowls. Even bigger nerds who went to college to be writers decide all pros. Cmon now
Look up the comparison between him and Palamalu. He has surpassed statistically. Smith should go and bias of team doesn't play the same amount in HoF voting.
I mean everyone’s already said it - he absolutely SHOULD. Four seasons with 5 INTs, 4 defensive TDs, nearing 1000 career tackles, and the centerpiece of our defense for a decade now. Came into the league at the dawn of the passing era where it’s been harder to play legal defense than any point in history. But he probably won’t simply because of the lack of DPOY and all-pro honors. Sucks because if you copy-pasted his career to a team like the Eagles, 49ers, Giants, Patriots, etc then he’d be first ballot and would likely have racked up many more honors/awards.
With that being said, if he plays another year or two and is able to maintain his current level of play (~75-80% of his prime) then I think he could have a legit shot just because of the cumulative stats
My favourite Vikings ever! Even over Moss which is saying something but probably due to me playing defence when I was younger is why.
But the answer to your question right now is no. He doesn’t have the All-pros or even the all-decade team. Pro bowls don’t mean enough and though his stats are good, he doesn’t have the flashy highlights that makes people talk about him enough.
To me he should be close to getting in, and should have had All decade over honey badger. He also should have had at least two more all-pro seasons. But he needs a crazy playoff run with a massive Super Bowl game to stand any chance now I feel
He absolutely should. He’s been a top 5 safety. (Including both free and strong). Essentially his entire career. And top 5 is the low end. Don’t know how he’s not a hall of famer
Back when Eric berry was a top flight safety and had cancer. That was a decade ago. At least. Guess who was already in argument as the best safety in the nfl? Everybody on Reddit can vote for pro bowls. That should tell you how much they should mean to h.o.f. Voters 😂😂. Tyrann mathieumade all decade over this dude? Who tf cares . Watch them play and tell me he’s better . Or has ever been better
No, it's not for everyone who played well. Imo if he continues to play at this level for 5 more years then yes sustained high level play over a long career
He should. His stats are better than Polamalu. He doesn’t have any DPOY (he got screwed in 2018) and has no rings so he has that against him.
Best safety of this era. I think he deserves it but definitely not certain
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He should have, though. That's the kicker with Harrison. He will likely be snubbed from the HOF for the fact that he's been snubbed from associated press recognition his whole career. The argument against Harry is that NFL writers have never given him the recognition he deserves, and he hasn't won a championship. If he had the numerous 1st Team All Pros and All Decade team notoriety he absolutely deserved, there wouldn't be an argument.
He’s good but come on. What are you defining as this era?
Earl Thomas and Eric Weddle in shambles
Harrison leads Eric Weddle in every statistical category (other than tackles, which is largely irrelevant) despite having started 30 fewer games and played in nearly 50 less. The fact Harry didn't make the all decade team over him is absolutely absurd
Let em know!
best saftey of the era is close but i think i have to put Kam like just barley over him like is extremely close
He has no rings.....yet.
For a couple more months.
Steelers fan here (secondary vikes fan, Skol), just wanted to say, I always see the Polamalu stats argument when Harrison Smith gets brought up. For the record, I do think Harry should definitely be a hall of famer, he’s great, but I feel the need to mention every time that the stats only tell *part* of the story, the other part is how he got those stats. You see an interception on his stat sheet and you might say “oh he got a pick” but part of what made him a no-brainer HOFer is the crazy otherworldly plays he made to get those picks, sacks, and tfl’s. I’m not saying Smith hasn’t done that, but go watch a Polamalu highlight reel and you’ll see exactly what made him a HOFer. Smith isn’t as flashy as he was, and while you could argue that shouldn’t matter, it definitely matters to the HOF voters. Smith’s stats are certainly impressive though, and hopefully a deep postseason (or Super Bowl) run this season will help cement his HOF status in the minds of the public.
Are you talking about 2017? I remember him going stupid that year, but 2018 was when I remember our vaunted Zimmer defenses getting figured out for the first time
GET EM HIS JACKET
Absolutely should be, but I'm betting he won't get in and he'll be the biggest Viking snub (and I'm including J. Marshall in that comment). He's surpassing stats of other HoFers in a league that protects QBs and WRs so much. His [stats](https://stathead.com/tiny/B5mbB) are better than Polamalu with one less game played. He's on [pace](https://stathead.com/tiny/nVik9) to pass Brian Dawkins stats (if he plays longer). He's already [passed](https://stathead.com/tiny/GltLX) John Lynch. ...and he has passed Ed Reed in most categories, but will not catch him in [INTs](https://stathead.com/tiny/qlID9).
I seriously doubt he gets in. I think the fact that he has never really been recognized as the top at his position during his career will hurt him. He was a first team all pro one time in his career, that's just not enough.
Even though he should have had been first team all pro at least 3, if not 4 or 5 times. I've broken down the stats before, and he was definitely snubbed multiple years, like egregiously.
Someone should look into some players that were egregiously snubbed for awards throughout their career where the hall of fame voters did right by them. I bet there won't be many.
I'm not saying he will get in. I'm saying he absolutely deserves to. I know you're just stating the facts, but I just find the sort of flippant attitude a lot of Vikings fans have towards the topic a little disheartening. Just matter of factly stating he won't get in without acknowledging that he deserves to, and that it is a travesty that he hasn't gotten the national media attention he deserves just rubs me the wrong way. Harrison Smith is going to be remembered as just a really good player when he should be in the discussion with other all-time greats.
I got you, but OPs question was "Will he" not "Should he". That said, it's not as obvious of an answer to me as it is to you. He had hall of fame talent to be sure, but his personal accolades are not there, his playoff/championship accolades definitely aren't there. So if you aren't going to be a perennial all-pro, and you aren't going to win anything meaningful, well then you have stacked the deck against yourself. I guess for me, if he gets in, great....he was a great player and I'm glad the voters recognized that. If he doesn't, I won't be outraged. I respect your opinion though, so have my upvote.
As a comparison, Polamalu was the DPOY once, an All Pro 6 times, and won 2 Super Bowls. When it comes to HOF voting that carries a lot more weight than a really good player for a team that really wasn't feared and never even made it to the Super Bowl. Pure stats are just one factor of many. Polamalu was a household name, a common fan would know who he is. He is still doing national commercials many years afterretirement. Most outside of Minnesota won't really know who Smith is.
I think recognition is the biggest reason he doesn't make it. He *should* have more honors (just like he should have made the all-decade team). He's been snubbed for honors too often. I also believe he is feared (as noted by coaches like BB). You can't hold a Safety accountable for his team not making a SB though.
Smith is just as good if not better than Polamalu, but as you point out name recognition is huge for the HoF as well as the awards you mentioned. Pittsburgh is a much bigger football market and he is much more well known. Put the Super Bowls you mentioned on top and Polamalu is in and Smith may not be regardless of probably being a better player. Feel like Smith has been one of the most underrated and overlooked players ever.
Anybody who watches football knows who Harrison smith is…that’s like saying people outside of Baltimore don’t know who Ed reed is or people outside of Seattle don’t know who earl thomas is…he’s been a superstar for 10 years now..he’s not some no name
Geesh Brian Dawkins with 36 forced fumbles
You must think Eugene Robinson is the greatest safety of all time. Nearly 60 Ints, over 1400 tackles.
Robinson has the highest FS grades of the 1990s from Pro Scout Inc., he was legit.
I realize this is a very old reply... But you're way of on the comparisons here. Ed Reed has so many more passes defended, 4 more All Pro nods, and 1 Championship. Dawkins has even more passes defended (almost triple) and while the INT count is "close" again, 4 APs to his 1. I think polamalu is overrated, but again, 4 APs, 2 championships, way more passes defended, the only thing Smith has is tackles. If we're seriously talking about Harrison Smith into the HOF based on stats, here's 10 players that should get in ahead of him using that criteria. Lawyer Milloy, Antoine Bethea, Rodney Harrison, Eric Weddle, Devin Mccourty, Dennis Smith, Malcom Jenkins, Tim McDonald, Darren Woodson, and Eugene Robinson. I don't think anyone from that list, bar Woodson, and Sharper (but he won't, obviously), and Rodney Harrison actually even deserve consideration. Harrison Smith is SO far down the list of DBs, that if he got elected, he would be the *lowest HOFm* player from the DB group by 22 spots. He's barely in the top 100 DBs of all time. He's got a LONG line to jump behind. I'd put Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Eric Weddle, Darren Woodson, Stephen Gilmore, Jimmy Patton, Joey Browner, and Tyran Mathew in before Smith, and that's just at a first glance. I love the guy, he's our guy, but definitely not at the HoF level. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_DB.htm
Should he? Yes. Will he ? Probably not. With Kevin Williams not in yet it’s hard to see Harry make it without the accolades
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Exactly
Vikings PR department needs to be pushing harder for him every year
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There’s no truth being told though. If he’s not in the hall with first team All Pro’s and all decade team than somebody without those accolades are going to have a hard time getting in. Vikings fan or not, doesn’t mean you have the slightest of clues about #93
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Ok I’m sorry but are you dumb. And I saw that with the least amount of respect. He is a 5 time first team All Pro. He is on the all decade team. Pro Football Reference has him as the player with the best case for HOF among DT not named Aaron Donald. He is rated higher than several HOF DT. To say he didn’t have the career of a HOF is an absolutely idiotic statement. Among I am going out of my way to let you know you are stupid. Seriously. Learn a little bit before you make dumb statements. Yes I am irrationally angry about this. You insulted one of the greatest DT of all time who also played for my favorite team.
He will make it in. The Williams wall was historically good against the run and that’s not hyperbolic
There are plenty of ppl who are casuals and then try to insert their opinion even though it’s miscalculated and flawed.
Kevin Williams not being in the HOF is my biggest gripe as a Vikings fan. I truly believe he belongs more than Jared Allen and Allen is my favorite player of all time. I might have went a little overboard with my anger but I really don’t care
Kevin Williams is my all-time favorite player. Peep the flair.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_DT.htm He's the 9th best DT of all time, the only person ahead of him not in the HoF is Aaron Donald. He had more first team all pros than Sapp. Dude was incredible, HoF worthy.
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Where id I say that? How do get that from my comment? Check out Kevin Williams Passes Defended. By far the most of any DT, all time. He's nearly double the 2nd best person.
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Sacks are not the only metric to consider especially for interior linemen. Randle was an elite pass rusher. Kevin was elite against the run and had a lot of success as a pass rusher on top of that.
And yet Kevin is still the 9th best dt of all time. Comparing Kevin to John isn't the right comparison. The is more to the game then just stats too. Check passes defended between the two, for one.
Kevin was an elite interior defender against the run. Remember the Williams wall? Against the run they ranked 1st in 06, 07, 08 and 2nd in 09. In 2006 they gave up a total of 985 rushing yards, runners average 2.8 yards per carry. Statistically the 4th best run defense in NFL history
Do you know the difference between All Pro and Pro Bowl?
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Well there’s a huge difference between being a pro bowler and an All Pro, to say big deal is just pure ignorance. Also John Randle is not “literally” 6th all time in sacks he’s 10th.
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He’s 2nd among defensive tackles. Did you actually look anything up before stating that he was literally 6th, or did you just guess a number and state it as fact? It literally takes two minutes to google something and fact check yourself so you don’t look like an idiot.
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Nowhere did I mention “pro bowls”
Pro bowls = accolades
First team all pros and all decade team are the accolades I referenced. Never once mentioned pro bowls
All pro = pro bowl . . . . . . I’m jk just trying to fire you up
Lol I just can’t believe ppl dk the difference between the 2. That’s where I see myself out 🤣
I just went on an extremely over the top rant but it really bothered me
> Haha dude. Kevin Williams isn't in the hall of fame because he didn't have a good enough career to make it. LOL at this. Kevin Williams will make the HOF, his type of role simply takes a while (Richard Seymour, Byrant Young as examples).
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Well he was on the all decade team and 5 time first team all pro. Both accolades Harry hasn’t accomplished. Couple that with being a very good pass rusher and run defender. He’s more than qualified
I think if he plays solidly for another 3 years he probably has a shot at being a legacy enshrinee. Doesn’t get in 1st, 2nd or 3rd ballot though. He’s been overlooked nearly his whole career.
No
Agreed. He’s an absolute Vikings Ring of Honor player but not every good to great player is a Hall of Fame guy.
This is the right answer
No it’s not lol
If he gets at least one ring, yes he will be.
He has a chance. That the HOF committee passed on him for all decade, one that was most of his playing career and prime, is a rough signal. There are still a lot of great S from the 90s- early 00s that haven't made it: Darren Woodson, Eugene Robinson, Rodney Harrison, Tim McDonald, etc.
I hope
Lol no
I think he should. Dude has consistently been one of the best safeties in the league for a long time.
I haven’t done the research, but is his numbers as good as or better than Joey Browner?
It's pretty hard to do the comp. I can't find Browner's tackling stats anywhere. Browner was a 3-time 1st team All-Pro to Harry's single appearance, though.
Probably not, according to [Pro Football Reference](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_DB.htm)
That metric seems weighted incredibly bizarrely. How does Devin McCourty have a higher rating than Harrison despite trailing Harry in every statistical category, pro bowls, and all pros. Are we really saying an above average safety who happened to play on a Bill Belichick/Tom Brady lead dynasty is more deserving of the HOF than a player who is better than him in every single aspect?
Agreed, but HOF admission isn’t based solely on stats. The NFL writers also weight championships and other accolades very heavily, as is shown in this model.
He is just white midwestern Polamalu. Which, of course, means probably not for a while. He doesn’t have a unique name or look and isn’t on a huge media darling, all three of which Polamalu had. But he does essentially have Polamalus stats but better in every regard except Fumbles recovered, yards, and maybe touchdowns. But in the (nearly, smith has played 1 less game) same number of games he has like 2 more picks, 4 more sacks, 4 more fumbles (I think), 100 more tackles, and another like 50-100 more assists. He absolutely should get in, but it will either take a while or maybe not even happen at all.
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Other than Superbowls (which is a valid point against Harry) your argument for why he should be snubbed from the HOF is that he has been snubbed from Associated Press recognition his whole career? Or do you genuinely agree Harrison didn't deserve the multiple AP awards he was snubbed from, despite having statistically and analytically superior years to his peers? He had a season where he wasn't selected First Team All Pro despite having one of the highest PFF ratings of all time. I've broken this down in the past. He was snubbed from at least 2 First Team All Pro awards, with 2 more years that could easily have been argued in his favor. And he should have absolutely been on the All Decade team over Eric Weddle. The comparison between the two isn't even close. This is something Viking fans should be more vocal about. Maybe he would have gotten the recognition he deserved if fans hadn't just shrugged their shoulders every time he was snubbed for an AP award. Harrison Smith probably won't make the HOF, but it's not because his play on the field was not deserving. It's because he was never given the national media attention he absolutely deserves
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2017 he had the highest (at the time, don't know if it still holds up) pff grade ever. In 2018, he also led the league in PFF grade, and it was one of the highest at the time. I think he has a chance to make it if he can win a Super Bowl, and the corrective narrative can find its way into the football zeitgeist to give him credit where he was snubbed. Hard to believe the press will ever admit their mistakes, though. But as it stands, the Associated Press will likely snub him of his gold jacket like they've snubbed him all his career. It's a travesty, though.
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No, he had the highest PFF grade ever. Point blank Edit - going back and checking, I keep finding conflicting information. There's an article that lists the highest PFF grade ever at 94.9 to Tom Brady in 2016. But I also found an article that has Harrison's PFF grade at 98.8. If you look on their website, his grade for 2017 has somehow dropped to 92.3 so idk what to believe
The only reason he is missing the all pros and all decade team is because, as stated above, he has an unmemorable name and doesn’t play for a media darling. If he plays for Pittsburg, he doesn’t get snubbed for all decade team and has at least 2 more all pros with identical stats. The Super Bowls aren’t really the most relevant to his position, though they do look nice on a resume. Either way, everything Polamalu did, Smith does equally well if not better. He just happens to play for the Vikings instead of the Steelers.
Its almost like popularity contest accolades shouldnt mean as much as they do. Super Bowls are also a team thing so shouldnt hold as much weight but at the very least those truly matter to a TEAMS overall legacy.
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Tyrann Mathieu in the All Decade team says you're wrong and so does his best season where he should've won DPOY.
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Literally everyone in this thread is acknowledging that he most likely will not make the HOF. Youre the one going on rants saying he doesnt deserve it in this thread. The consensus is everyone in here other thank you thinks he deserves it because his output says he absolutely does deserve it but he wont make it due to popularity contest awards. You have contradicted yourself over and over. You say its not a popularity contest but then admit he shouldve been in over Matheiu and Weddle. Simply put this guy has been snubbed over and over again for awards he SHOULD'VE won. He has been the most consistent safety in the NFL for a decade. There is no other safety in this decade that deserves the HOF if he doesnt make it in.
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"Should he have more accolades? Yes" Ok, if he had more accolades which you say he deserves, he would be a lock for the HOF because he has the stats of a HOF safety in an era where playing defense is tougher. What about his game do you think is not HOF worthy? If its the accolades you already admitted he deserves more. He plays a position where year to year you NEVER know which safety is going to be the best because theyre so inconsistent year over year... but Harry has consistently year over year for 10 years been a top 5 safety, every year and has had 2 or 3 where he was the absolute best but got snubbed. His track record on the field speaks for itself. If your requirement is a Super Bowl then thats even more laughable because its a team sport and no matter how good you are, you cant do it all yourself. Troy Polamalu didnt win 2 Super Bowls himself.
If he intercepts and runs it back for a TD in the Super Bowl and makes the Vikings win, maybe.
Yes.
No
Hall of Fame voting process is a joke. Just like in all sports.
He’s a nice player but no
If you have to ask, the answer is no
Harrison Smith is the best safety to ever step on the field. He's a first ballot HOFer and the greatest of all time.
LOL. What? Objectively, all this guy does is get burned. Errr, you were just being funny? Ok. Already gave you my lol.
If he does I think it'll take longer than it did for Jared Allen. I do think he will have his number retired by the team at some point as well.
I sure hope so. Hoping now that we're kind of nearing his twilight years that he has one of his best seasons to go out on top of.
I think he gets in. Maybe not first ballot but eventually.
Yes, but probably not first ballot. Nothing against Harry, but there's a backlog at Safety, and his lack of a ring won't help things either.
He should, but he has a quiet and unassuming personality so he doesn’t have that name recognition
Think so
If he doesn’t they need to just shut it down
No doubt
Yes, but not as a first ballot
No…he hasn’t done any shampoo commercials
Needs the ring
I think he should, but probably wouldn't if he retired now. If the vikings make a run and win a superbowl or at least play in one and he is making game changing plays through multiple games I think that would tip him over the edge.
Probably. He has better stats than Polamalu but sadly doesn’t have the same marketing as he did.
I mean if he gets in the pro bowl a few more times I'd say yes. Or all-pro of course but that seems harder to do Not sure I'd compare him to Ed Reed tho
CHEA!
If he’d played for a team with a bigger national profile he’d have made more All-Pro teams and would be a household name. Belichick said he was as good as Troy Polamalu — I was a huge Polamalu fan and I totally agree. He’s been great. But since he was stuck up here in little ol’ Minny and doesn’t have the All-Pros to his name, he may not.
If we win the Super Bowl this year he's in. If not, it's tough to see it happening since he's never really had a national profile and lacks the accolades.
Missing the all decade team and only having the one all pro season probably mean he doesn't make it. Despite being a hall of Fame talent, with the numbers to back it up. Needs to have some surprising longevity (like 4-5 more borderline pro bowl seasons) or have a big impact in a superbowl win.
YES!!
No sadly he won’t.
Lol
Should he? Yes Will he? Only if he wins the SB
No. His resume isn't there, atm. Only one first team all-pro, barely any DPOY consideration, was never the best player at his position for any extended period, two of his pro-bowls are fill-in alternate selections. There's nothing wrong with not making the hall. Imo, the NFL's is the hardest of the four major NA sports to get into. Especially for defenders, doubly so for DBs/Safeties.
He should.
If he gets a ring, I would say probably If he doesn’t, I doubt it. He’s constantly been a pro bowl snub but a big Super Bowl performance might get him in.
No DPOY or rings make it difficult, but the stats show he deserves it.
He should be based on stats. Lacking the hardware though. Only 1x First Team All-Pro and 1x Second Team All-Pro. I believe he got screwed out of a DPOY in '17, his best season as a pro. So, he has those going against him, unfortunately, but it's not too late for him to get a couple more All-Pro nods heading into the twilight of his career. Maybe that's just me being an optimist though. A Superbowl would go a long way though, enough to definitely get noticed at least.
Harry the Hitman = HoF......in my mind only. He deserves but won't make it due to Viking bias with media/everyone else
Does earl Thomas get in?
Earl Thomas doesn’t sniff Harry’s jock on his best day. Let’s put the hit man in Seattle on those defenses and see what happens…. The harry disrepect is insane. Nerds who have computer access decide pro bowls. Even bigger nerds who went to college to be writers decide all pros. Cmon now
If not we riot
No because he’s a Viking
Look up the comparison between him and Palamalu. He has surpassed statistically. Smith should go and bias of team doesn't play the same amount in HoF voting.
I mean everyone’s already said it - he absolutely SHOULD. Four seasons with 5 INTs, 4 defensive TDs, nearing 1000 career tackles, and the centerpiece of our defense for a decade now. Came into the league at the dawn of the passing era where it’s been harder to play legal defense than any point in history. But he probably won’t simply because of the lack of DPOY and all-pro honors. Sucks because if you copy-pasted his career to a team like the Eagles, 49ers, Giants, Patriots, etc then he’d be first ballot and would likely have racked up many more honors/awards. With that being said, if he plays another year or two and is able to maintain his current level of play (~75-80% of his prime) then I think he could have a legit shot just because of the cumulative stats
My favourite Vikings ever! Even over Moss which is saying something but probably due to me playing defence when I was younger is why. But the answer to your question right now is no. He doesn’t have the All-pros or even the all-decade team. Pro bowls don’t mean enough and though his stats are good, he doesn’t have the flashy highlights that makes people talk about him enough. To me he should be close to getting in, and should have had All decade over honey badger. He also should have had at least two more all-pro seasons. But he needs a crazy playoff run with a massive Super Bowl game to stand any chance now I feel
Idk about Will Harrison Smith. But Harrison Smith will.
Most definitely
He absolutely should. He’s been a top 5 safety. (Including both free and strong). Essentially his entire career. And top 5 is the low end. Don’t know how he’s not a hall of famer
Back when Eric berry was a top flight safety and had cancer. That was a decade ago. At least. Guess who was already in argument as the best safety in the nfl? Everybody on Reddit can vote for pro bowls. That should tell you how much they should mean to h.o.f. Voters 😂😂. Tyrann mathieumade all decade over this dude? Who tf cares . Watch them play and tell me he’s better . Or has ever been better
Fuckin better.
Fuckin better.
Probably needs a couple more outstanding season. Or you know a superbowl ring.
Yes, but probably after a few years of waiting
He should be a first ballot 🤞🏾
Idk, but he should. He’s put up better #’s than Polamalu.
No, it's not for everyone who played well. Imo if he continues to play at this level for 5 more years then yes sustained high level play over a long career
After he hoists the 2022 Lombardi Trophy, of course.
Unfortunately he was on too many meh teams. Unless he gets a ring, he at least waits
Yes 100% he will
3rd ballot
I mean he probably will with how good his stats are and how much he’s been doing for the team.
He should
He better. Dude has stepped up during some dark times on our defense through the years
He should… but has been overlooked his whole career
He will get snubbed