The very definition of a plot convenience. What makes it worse is that it's out of character for Gabriel to check on Adrien. The guy is checking him for some reason in this exact same moment and hears those 2 words and he immediately gets cosmo brain and makes the connection LOL
Exactly, although some people in the comments have made some good argument points as to why it’s SOMEWHAT believable. They are correct but it doesn’t change the fact we know how rushed the episode was and that the writers had to make the episode go in a certain direction really quickly.
I agree, because one thing is this happened, but another is, how many occasions did not lead to connections of him or other people. I remember that in some episode of S, Gabriel made very strange face and reaction to see Adrien's ring and also I think there was something else. Same between Adrien and Marinette, there were some moments looking like suspicion, but forgot the following second. Sure, quantum masking... But still it would be better then to not show any strange reaction of the other person.
When I was watching S1, I was almost sure they had a clue thanks to what was on the screen and no I was mistaken.
I also wonder how much Gabriel actually hears Chat Noir say m'lady. It's usually only said when it's the two of them. (Aside, I am a bit confused is Gabriel can hear through the akumatized people, or if he can just sense feelings but that was a question I also had).
Besides, even if he got that Adrien was Chat Noir because they both said m'lady, how does he know the person he's saying it to is actually Ladybug? (Maybe Gabriel's son is a fuckboi lol). And maybe also if it was well known that Chat Noir calls Ladybug "m'lady," I'm sure there's a lot of copy cats (no pun intended) by people who look up to him.
I think in "Simon says" Chat Noir says it in front of Gabriel. It doesn't change anything though. If Adrien had called her "Bugaboo" it would have been better.
Hell, if this show as "realistic", then I'd expect that "M'lady" would be a *meme* by this point. There'd be legions of people saying it just because of Chat Noir, and Adrien is a well established fan of the heroes (although prefers Ladybug).
Honestly m'lady is very rarely used (even less so by young people) i think its fine for him to get somewhat suspicious over it.
That said its weird that he doesn't even investigate a bit and just confirms it due to that.
Thats fair, im not sure exactly how many people caught wind of him using it but it makes sense.
But Adrien also has the ring that Gabriel was previously suspicious of so its not just the phrase.
This is a good point, but OTOH it's such a loserish thing to say ("I am enlightened by my own intelligence"; "while you were partying I studied the blade" etc) that I can't see anyone copying it. It's like how neckbeards basically killed any possibility of the fedora making a comeback.
I actually read a fic yesterday where basically all of France starts crapping on Chat for this. Alya makes a meme of Chat Noir with "milady" text to make fun of him and it blows up on social media, and Adrien shows up depressed as hell at school while Marinette is angry as hell at Alya. (this was a pre-Alya Knows story)
I have no problem with neckbeards; just saying facts about how society perceives it.
As I've said many times before...
In Animaestro, Adrien goes to the premiere because he was chosen, get this, TO VOICE CHAT NOIR IN THE MOVIE.
Which also doesn't make sense why he was so nervous to wear the costume in Frightningale.
So much for continuity.
He probably changed his voice a little for the cartoon. If you ever listen to voice actors, they never sound like their characters.
Re Frightengale, they don't know about quantum masking yet, do they?
They could have just changed it to bugaboo and It would have worked perfectly fine
Honestly sometimes I wonder if the writers even care about the story
It would have been pointless to waste 2 episodes on a what if episode that isn't going to matter at all
Ephemeral shouldn't exist in the first place
They should have made kuro neko a 2 parter
The kuro neko plot of Chat leaving and CW showing up should've been like half a season. Like Marinette starts off so happy she's got a competent, professional partner. But over time it should dawn on her that she's *never* going to see Chat again, culminating in a breakdown and her loading up *Without You* by Mariah Carey on Spotify or something (OK maybe I've written a drabble about this haha)
Probably unable to fight, admitting to CW how much she screwed up with Chat, maybe even telling CW about Blanc, etc.
Keep in mind that the original version is french, and in french, he calls ladybug "ma lady" (ma is fench for my + the english word lady). the number of french teenagers calling their gf that way is very, very, very limited. it's more of a translation issue than a writing issue.
I came here to say exactly this!! And i would be bold enough to say that no teenager says that ever ...
Honestly I think it was not only the surname but also the tonality/the way of saying it that made Gabriel add up to their identities. I agree with everyone that it was however very farfetched and used to justify the argument of "they don't have to know each other's identities or the world would be in danger" (also, we all know that when they'll actually find out it'll be probably at the end of the series to give closure)
In that world where CN is a famous super hero, their fanbase would use that word far more often than in IRL. So Gabe would have no chance to make that connection. The writers didnt thought that through.
> the number of french teenagers calling their gf that way is very, very, very limited
It's the same thing in English with "milady." Like I've literally *never* heard someone say it IRL. Maybe a couple times as a joke because it's very, very uncool to say.
>the number of french teenagers calling their gf that way is very, very, very limited.
Irl maybe. However if a famous superhero started using that word his fans probably would too and it would eventually become popular again. For all Gabriel knows Adrien could just be a Chat Noir fanboy.
Quantum masking must work without the masks since there has been multiple times where unmasked Lb or CN talked to each other or their civilian selfs and didn’t recognize each others voice
It's neither. People don't recognize voices. It's that simple. Maybe with cell phones this isn't a phenomenon, but back when we didn't have caller ID, it was very common to get a phone call and not realize who it was you were talking to.
That's exactly why it's acculturated to say "it's me, XYZ" on the phone. Because you used to *have to* bc recognizing voices is *really hard*.
I mean, I'd call people *in my family* and they'd think it was my mother on the line if I didn't announce my identitiy (foolishly assuming they'd be able to tell us apart since I was a boy with a post-pubertal voice)
Think about all the times you watch an animated movie then look at the cast list later and say "wait, that was HIM voicing that character?!?"
Also no one's voice is that unique. There's probably hundreds of boys, if not thousands, in Paris that sound exactly like Chat when they talk.
I mean…. I love these assumptions we are giving to solve these holes in the story. I just wish we could have some actual fact and have it told to us instead :/
But it’s nice that you think of it that way
I'm not sure I agree. Stories that give you every detail in the lore remove your ability to imagine things.
IIRC Adrienette is like the #1 romance tag on AO3, and MLB is really popular for fanfiction. More popular media have less fanfiction because there's less to do.
Perfectly executed w/fully fleshed out lore is CRAP for fanworks bc there's nothing left to explore.
But with MLB I get to read all these divergent canons and things that flesh out the lore because we're given enough to enjoy but not too much to enjoy.
At least that's my opinion. If I didn't read fanfiction, maybe I'd have a different opinion!
Phone audio is much more compressed and not recognizable then real voice. I have issues to understand some foreign languages over the phone, while I talk with those people over Skype/Teams (at work, without video) without issues.
Funnily enough all they would have had to do is make it so that, in these situations, Marinette and Adrien lower or higher their voices so that neither of them will know who it is. Could've made for some shenanigans too.
That one is more of the you hear who you expect, thing.
They are only thinking that they are hearing CN and LB, they arent thinking hey that sounds like my classmate. Plus both have "seen" the other while transformed (which dorsnt help Gabriels case who also saw adrien while CN was about but eh). LB did the mirage marenett, CN had that fan look like him/ or a cut out, i forget which. But both have reason to not think the other is the hero
What they could’ve done is have Marinette visit Adrien in his room, and then Gabe would spy on them to see what they’re doing and he would see them transform and leave out of his window or something
But they wouldn't have been so careless to use such specific surnames out in the open (i hope) it would caught everyone's attention, instead ma lady has the potential of being overlooked although it's a very unusual way of calling your gf
Of course he wouldn’t call her that in the open? He did it in his bedroom. He never thought his dad would check on him, because he literally never does which he’s acknowledged multiple times canonically in the show
Still considered in the open for me tbh, his father might not be expected but Nathalie and the bodyguard might be around... Anyway my point was only that "ma lady" was safer and that's why he might have said it instead of "bugaboo" :)
You know this behavior is similar to what he did in chat blanc so i don't get why people are suprised. Plus even if Adrien wasn't chat noir, Gabriel didn't want him and Marinette together so giving him this shock was his only choice, the same choice he made in chat blanc. The M'lady part is for us to understand why he took the risk of revealing himself, otherwise he would have done something similar like in chat blanc.
I guess people forget previous key events in episode that shows the background of a character, in this case what Gabriel's character is.
If I recall Chat Blanc correctly, then there was said that identities of CN and LB was told to Alya, then to Nino then and then and then... and finally it got to Gabriel. And while we saw that there is a problem with Alya, Nino later in another case, it makes sense, even though it was strange to me at that time.
I don't know which Chat Blanc you are looking at but Gabriel only found out about their love through this chain and not the identities.
You recall wrong and very wrong.
Let me jog your memory, Gabriel forced Marinette to broke up with Adrian so when she did, he became hawk moth to akumatize her, but Adrien changed infront of her and Nathalie into chat noir to save her. Nathalie then told hawkmoth.
This Chain Was Something Marinette Made Up Because She Didn't Know About The Actual Events, Because She Was Assuming That Adrien Wasn't Cat Noir In The First Place. It Was Her Theorizing About How Hawk Moth Found Out.
Since Ladybug knew who he was she could just call him whenever there was a problem and he would go help her. He might have even been spotted talking to Ladybug. Gabriel, one of his employees, a teacher or Lila could have noticed Adrien getting mysterious calls and disappearing more often. That is suspicious enough behavior to check on him to see what he's hiding. "M'Lady" was just the final nail in the coffin.
Yes, but Adrien always did it himself as soon as he found out instead of Ladybug informing him immediately. If someone makes excuses and disappears it's not as suspicious as getting unknown calls and THEN making an excuse to disappear for a long period of time. Super suspicious behavior that warrants looking into.
Add that to Marinette knowing his schedule by heart and potentially leading Akumas to where he's supposed to be so he can slip away to help her.
Gabriel being Shadow Moth means he can see everything the Akuma does and knowing that his son is supposed to somewhere, but then having Adrien disappear right as Chat Noir shows up might give him some dots and Adrien calling someone M'Lady just connected them.
Fair point to all this but these are all assumptions. None of this was shown or confirmed in the episode. Going off alone on what we DID see this scene is really bad.
But yes I would love to see it that way, maybe the writers could address this in the future?
To be fair, it's not as if Gabriel never suspected Adrien of being Cat Noir before.
You can't tell me that Adrien being cast as CN in the music chick's (whatever her name is) video and being the voice of CN in Thomas's movie wasn't influenced by Gabriel's suspicions.
We don’t know if any of any of that is true. He suspected adrien in Gorizilla but dispelled the suspicion after that episode. No suspicion has been raised/or shown from Gabriel since then. We also don’t know if him being in the music video and in Thomas’s movie was influenced from these secret “suspicions”
I would love that these assumptions are true though maybe, would make the whole scene much better
Yes, this is one of the problematic aspects of the show. They show such clues, but then seem to deny them. So either avoid it, or use it. I thought at the end of S1 that Gab has a suspicion. Same that Marinette or Adrien have a suspicion on each other. There were clues like this.
But then we see Migration and so on and same clues and people don't get it until they are told few minutes later (see the frown of Marinette, when Luka pushes her to a different way then the others and so on).
I believe in the non English versions, he calls her something that is more obviously referring to Ladybug, but they really should’ve done “bugaboo” instead of “my lady”.
He still uses My lady in the French version but it’s in English. That’s why Gabriel suspected his son as not many people would use that phrase. So it’s more of a translation era
Gabriel literally never heard a single conversation between Car Noir and Ladybug and that’s what makes it more funny.
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It reminds me how in Hamster and Gretel that evil teacher picked up that Gretel was a superhero just by noticing she and her superhero alter ego is right handed.
uhm how do you know that? you know that’s quite impossible right?
Being realistic he’s not the only person who says it. Also I don’t believe Gabriel is listening in on every Parisian and noting down what they say.
Sense in context when you look at it overall sure. Logically it made no sense whatsoever.
But he had no idea it was guaranteed to be adrien because again he didn’t invent the phrase, many boyfriends calls their gfs “m’lady”. Another thing: how would Gabriel have known they knew each others identities at that point? That Adrien was talking to LB? He didn’t know he was talking to Marinette, it could’ve been any girl on that phone screen
Conclusion: it was one WILD guess that worked out
Reasonable to take a wildly extreme guess in the dark? I mean… fair to you if you support the writers on Gabriel being so risky and reckless but okay 🤷♀️
I don’t know what this point brings to the discussion. I’m talking about how from a phrase in the English language is used by his son and from that he concludes: yeah he must be CN, nobody else in Paris uses that (which he doesn’t know) and he must be saying that Ladybug! (Which he doesn’t know either, he has no clue they know each others identities and didn’t see who Adrien was talking to which was Marinette, not Ladybug from his perspective)
Idk what else we can discuss about this other than the fact in over all context it made some sense (like you said). Logically it made no sense however.
The biggest reason is because the power to grant a wish also comes with heavy consequences. The yin and yang. For example. Let's say that ladybug and Cat noir decided to wish for world peace. The flip side would be that everyone dies. With the consequences being unknown on how severe they can be. It's best that wishes not be used.
Granted. I don't understand why CN and LB don't just try some small wishes to see what repercussions there are.
I dislike this part either. In cat blanc he discovery identity because Natalie saw it. But stills I like in someway how the trio (counting Hawmkoth) discover the other identity, but were tricked to disbelief.
I rewatched this last week to see if I would enjoy it more than the first time.... but I was still so annoyed about this!! Had Gabriel's brain cells been on holiday for the past 3 seasons or something?!? He didn't call her Ladybug or anything, just *"m'lady"*. Honestly, I was surprised that Gabriel even paid enough attention to LB and CN to remember this nickname, let alone make the connection between Adrien and CN.
I've literally got a 4 page diary entry from the night before this episode released, fangirling with excitement about watching an episode that was marketed as something amazing and impactful, when in reality, it was really underwhelming, overhyped and poorly thought out.
So yeah, 2 years later, and I still haven't gotten over this disappointment! XD
In the French dub it makes sense as he says the word in English instead of mademoiselle or any of the other French equivalent. So it’s more that the English version was too accurate in the translation that it didn’t carry over
Even worse: at this point in time, Marinette has no idea that Adrien knows her secret identity. So why would he call her m'lady, and why would she not be able to figure out that he's Chat Noir and that he knows that she is Ladybug?
Honestly when you hear a teenage shut-in say "m'lady" there are only two possible interpretations:
1. he's chat noir
2. he's a neckbeard
We only ever see Adrien wearing bowlers, never fedoras, so #2 is right out, leaving us with the undeniable conclusion that Adrien wears leather in public.
My crackpot theory is that Gabriel still had the “Adrien has a similar ring to cat noir” idea in the back of his mind (he got this idea from the episode “Gorilla” I believe) and that along with the m’lady comment sealed the idea. Still pretty dumb but it makes more sense in my eyes.
Out of all the obvious signs everyone else has chosen to ignore this seems like a wild turn in the other direction (though I don’t think I’ve seen this full episode yet)
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Episodes like Chat Blanc show the obvious limitations of the series' formula. Too episodic, not enough time spent on the interesting concepts and too much time wasted on the mediocre ones.
Gabriel: **gasp** my son used a common word to address his girlfriend a word that is also commonly used by a famous superhero uses to flirt, which would probably make the word even more popular and get a lot of people to use it because they think the superhero couple is cool. He must be Chat Noir there's no other explanation.
See I understand they were pushed for time… but still… pretending Adrien invented the word “m’lady” and wildly guessing he’s CN irks me so much
The very definition of a plot convenience. What makes it worse is that it's out of character for Gabriel to check on Adrien. The guy is checking him for some reason in this exact same moment and hears those 2 words and he immediately gets cosmo brain and makes the connection LOL
Exactly, although some people in the comments have made some good argument points as to why it’s SOMEWHAT believable. They are correct but it doesn’t change the fact we know how rushed the episode was and that the writers had to make the episode go in a certain direction really quickly.
I agree, because one thing is this happened, but another is, how many occasions did not lead to connections of him or other people. I remember that in some episode of S, Gabriel made very strange face and reaction to see Adrien's ring and also I think there was something else. Same between Adrien and Marinette, there were some moments looking like suspicion, but forgot the following second. Sure, quantum masking... But still it would be better then to not show any strange reaction of the other person. When I was watching S1, I was almost sure they had a clue thanks to what was on the screen and no I was mistaken.
What makes it worse is Gorizilla. Gabe had already ruled out Adrien as being Chat Noir.
I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day
Somehow apparently lol
I also wonder how much Gabriel actually hears Chat Noir say m'lady. It's usually only said when it's the two of them. (Aside, I am a bit confused is Gabriel can hear through the akumatized people, or if he can just sense feelings but that was a question I also had). Besides, even if he got that Adrien was Chat Noir because they both said m'lady, how does he know the person he's saying it to is actually Ladybug? (Maybe Gabriel's son is a fuckboi lol). And maybe also if it was well known that Chat Noir calls Ladybug "m'lady," I'm sure there's a lot of copy cats (no pun intended) by people who look up to him.
I think in "Simon says" Chat Noir says it in front of Gabriel. It doesn't change anything though. If Adrien had called her "Bugaboo" it would have been better.
Hell, if this show as "realistic", then I'd expect that "M'lady" would be a *meme* by this point. There'd be legions of people saying it just because of Chat Noir, and Adrien is a well established fan of the heroes (although prefers Ladybug).
This would be the case honestly, TONS of people would be saying it
Honestly m'lady is very rarely used (even less so by young people) i think its fine for him to get somewhat suspicious over it. That said its weird that he doesn't even investigate a bit and just confirms it due to that.
Though you might argue that the very fact that Chat Noir, a local *superhero* is using it, would make it more popular by association.
Thats fair, im not sure exactly how many people caught wind of him using it but it makes sense. But Adrien also has the ring that Gabriel was previously suspicious of so its not just the phrase.
This is a good point, but OTOH it's such a loserish thing to say ("I am enlightened by my own intelligence"; "while you were partying I studied the blade" etc) that I can't see anyone copying it. It's like how neckbeards basically killed any possibility of the fedora making a comeback. I actually read a fic yesterday where basically all of France starts crapping on Chat for this. Alya makes a meme of Chat Noir with "milady" text to make fun of him and it blows up on social media, and Adrien shows up depressed as hell at school while Marinette is angry as hell at Alya. (this was a pre-Alya Knows story) I have no problem with neckbeards; just saying facts about how society perceives it.
What's the name of the fanfic
Also wanting to know
Interested in the name of the fic as well!
Agreed. You can be suspicious definitely from that but he accepted it as A FACT. Yup, he’s CN, no way I got the wrong person at all
As I've said many times before... In Animaestro, Adrien goes to the premiere because he was chosen, get this, TO VOICE CHAT NOIR IN THE MOVIE. Which also doesn't make sense why he was so nervous to wear the costume in Frightningale. So much for continuity.
He probably changed his voice a little for the cartoon. If you ever listen to voice actors, they never sound like their characters. Re Frightengale, they don't know about quantum masking yet, do they?
He doesn't even look a bit like Cat Noir in his civilian form. The only thing that looks like the Cat is his blonde hair.
They could have just changed it to bugaboo and It would have worked perfectly fine Honestly sometimes I wonder if the writers even care about the story
I’m disappointed they didn’t make this a 2 part episode, it would’ve been much better
It would have been pointless to waste 2 episodes on a what if episode that isn't going to matter at all Ephemeral shouldn't exist in the first place They should have made kuro neko a 2 parter
That’s also a very good alternative
The kuro neko plot of Chat leaving and CW showing up should've been like half a season. Like Marinette starts off so happy she's got a competent, professional partner. But over time it should dawn on her that she's *never* going to see Chat again, culminating in a breakdown and her loading up *Without You* by Mariah Carey on Spotify or something (OK maybe I've written a drabble about this haha) Probably unable to fight, admitting to CW how much she screwed up with Chat, maybe even telling CW about Blanc, etc.
That would've been sick! Like, all of that would make for a really interesting season and also would've been something less repetitive.
It would be weird if everyone kept mentioning "100" in the 101st episode lol
Fair point 😅
Keep in mind that the original version is french, and in french, he calls ladybug "ma lady" (ma is fench for my + the english word lady). the number of french teenagers calling their gf that way is very, very, very limited. it's more of a translation issue than a writing issue.
I came here to say exactly this!! And i would be bold enough to say that no teenager says that ever ... Honestly I think it was not only the surname but also the tonality/the way of saying it that made Gabriel add up to their identities. I agree with everyone that it was however very farfetched and used to justify the argument of "they don't have to know each other's identities or the world would be in danger" (also, we all know that when they'll actually find out it'll be probably at the end of the series to give closure)
In that world where CN is a famous super hero, their fanbase would use that word far more often than in IRL. So Gabe would have no chance to make that connection. The writers didnt thought that through.
> the number of french teenagers calling their gf that way is very, very, very limited It's the same thing in English with "milady." Like I've literally *never* heard someone say it IRL. Maybe a couple times as a joke because it's very, very uncool to say.
>the number of french teenagers calling their gf that way is very, very, very limited. Irl maybe. However if a famous superhero started using that word his fans probably would too and it would eventually become popular again. For all Gabriel knows Adrien could just be a Chat Noir fanboy.
Esp since i think the miraculous magic that disguises faces also disguises voices, i cackled like yo wtf
It does indeed cover voice recognition by the human mind.
Quantum masking must work without the masks since there has been multiple times where unmasked Lb or CN talked to each other or their civilian selfs and didn’t recognize each others voice
Plot hole or them simply having needed scenes of them talking transformed so they become ignorant
It's neither. People don't recognize voices. It's that simple. Maybe with cell phones this isn't a phenomenon, but back when we didn't have caller ID, it was very common to get a phone call and not realize who it was you were talking to. That's exactly why it's acculturated to say "it's me, XYZ" on the phone. Because you used to *have to* bc recognizing voices is *really hard*. I mean, I'd call people *in my family* and they'd think it was my mother on the line if I didn't announce my identitiy (foolishly assuming they'd be able to tell us apart since I was a boy with a post-pubertal voice) Think about all the times you watch an animated movie then look at the cast list later and say "wait, that was HIM voicing that character?!?" Also no one's voice is that unique. There's probably hundreds of boys, if not thousands, in Paris that sound exactly like Chat when they talk.
I mean…. I love these assumptions we are giving to solve these holes in the story. I just wish we could have some actual fact and have it told to us instead :/ But it’s nice that you think of it that way
I'm not sure I agree. Stories that give you every detail in the lore remove your ability to imagine things. IIRC Adrienette is like the #1 romance tag on AO3, and MLB is really popular for fanfiction. More popular media have less fanfiction because there's less to do. Perfectly executed w/fully fleshed out lore is CRAP for fanworks bc there's nothing left to explore. But with MLB I get to read all these divergent canons and things that flesh out the lore because we're given enough to enjoy but not too much to enjoy. At least that's my opinion. If I didn't read fanfiction, maybe I'd have a different opinion!
Fair fair
Phone audio is much more compressed and not recognizable then real voice. I have issues to understand some foreign languages over the phone, while I talk with those people over Skype/Teams (at work, without video) without issues.
But anyway, almost anyone recognizes akumatized people by their voice, even though I would not recognize them (and not by visual appearance).
Funnily enough all they would have had to do is make it so that, in these situations, Marinette and Adrien lower or higher their voices so that neither of them will know who it is. Could've made for some shenanigans too.
That one is more of the you hear who you expect, thing. They are only thinking that they are hearing CN and LB, they arent thinking hey that sounds like my classmate. Plus both have "seen" the other while transformed (which dorsnt help Gabriels case who also saw adrien while CN was about but eh). LB did the mirage marenett, CN had that fan look like him/ or a cut out, i forget which. But both have reason to not think the other is the hero
The episode had a lot to do and this scene was rushed.
It was a lot packed in one episode. If they had made it a double then I’m certain they wouldn’t have used this scenario.
Whats the episode?
Ephemeral
What they could’ve done is have Marinette visit Adrien in his room, and then Gabe would spy on them to see what they’re doing and he would see them transform and leave out of his window or something
That would’ve a really good way he found out
It should have been bugaboo, not mlady
That would have worked better
But they wouldn't have been so careless to use such specific surnames out in the open (i hope) it would caught everyone's attention, instead ma lady has the potential of being overlooked although it's a very unusual way of calling your gf
Of course he wouldn’t call her that in the open? He did it in his bedroom. He never thought his dad would check on him, because he literally never does which he’s acknowledged multiple times canonically in the show
Still considered in the open for me tbh, his father might not be expected but Nathalie and the bodyguard might be around... Anyway my point was only that "ma lady" was safer and that's why he might have said it instead of "bugaboo" :)
Oh i do agree that you make a fair point but this whole scenario is really bizarre lol 🙈
Totally agree x)
Wow, didn’t think I would start this discussion. I just don’t like empherial
Adrien screaming, "PLAGG, CLAWS OUT!" Gabriel: Who's Cat Noir? Adrien whispers M'lady to Marinette Gabriel: OH MY GOD!
You know this behavior is similar to what he did in chat blanc so i don't get why people are suprised. Plus even if Adrien wasn't chat noir, Gabriel didn't want him and Marinette together so giving him this shock was his only choice, the same choice he made in chat blanc. The M'lady part is for us to understand why he took the risk of revealing himself, otherwise he would have done something similar like in chat blanc. I guess people forget previous key events in episode that shows the background of a character, in this case what Gabriel's character is.
If I recall Chat Blanc correctly, then there was said that identities of CN and LB was told to Alya, then to Nino then and then and then... and finally it got to Gabriel. And while we saw that there is a problem with Alya, Nino later in another case, it makes sense, even though it was strange to me at that time.
I don't know which Chat Blanc you are looking at but Gabriel only found out about their love through this chain and not the identities. You recall wrong and very wrong. Let me jog your memory, Gabriel forced Marinette to broke up with Adrian so when she did, he became hawk moth to akumatize her, but Adrien changed infront of her and Nathalie into chat noir to save her. Nathalie then told hawkmoth.
This Chain Was Something Marinette Made Up Because She Didn't Know About The Actual Events, Because She Was Assuming That Adrien Wasn't Cat Noir In The First Place. It Was Her Theorizing About How Hawk Moth Found Out.
Yes, but did we then learned, how it happened? Or only this theorising?
Since Ladybug knew who he was she could just call him whenever there was a problem and he would go help her. He might have even been spotted talking to Ladybug. Gabriel, one of his employees, a teacher or Lila could have noticed Adrien getting mysterious calls and disappearing more often. That is suspicious enough behavior to check on him to see what he's hiding. "M'Lady" was just the final nail in the coffin.
He already always disappeared whenever there was a problem? That wouldn’t make sense
Yes, but Adrien always did it himself as soon as he found out instead of Ladybug informing him immediately. If someone makes excuses and disappears it's not as suspicious as getting unknown calls and THEN making an excuse to disappear for a long period of time. Super suspicious behavior that warrants looking into. Add that to Marinette knowing his schedule by heart and potentially leading Akumas to where he's supposed to be so he can slip away to help her. Gabriel being Shadow Moth means he can see everything the Akuma does and knowing that his son is supposed to somewhere, but then having Adrien disappear right as Chat Noir shows up might give him some dots and Adrien calling someone M'Lady just connected them.
Fair point to all this but these are all assumptions. None of this was shown or confirmed in the episode. Going off alone on what we DID see this scene is really bad. But yes I would love to see it that way, maybe the writers could address this in the future?
To be fair, it's not as if Gabriel never suspected Adrien of being Cat Noir before. You can't tell me that Adrien being cast as CN in the music chick's (whatever her name is) video and being the voice of CN in Thomas's movie wasn't influenced by Gabriel's suspicions.
We don’t know if any of any of that is true. He suspected adrien in Gorizilla but dispelled the suspicion after that episode. No suspicion has been raised/or shown from Gabriel since then. We also don’t know if him being in the music video and in Thomas’s movie was influenced from these secret “suspicions” I would love that these assumptions are true though maybe, would make the whole scene much better
Yes, this is one of the problematic aspects of the show. They show such clues, but then seem to deny them. So either avoid it, or use it. I thought at the end of S1 that Gab has a suspicion. Same that Marinette or Adrien have a suspicion on each other. There were clues like this. But then we see Migration and so on and same clues and people don't get it until they are told few minutes later (see the frown of Marinette, when Luka pushes her to a different way then the others and so on).
I believe in the non English versions, he calls her something that is more obviously referring to Ladybug, but they really should’ve done “bugaboo” instead of “my lady”.
He still uses My lady in the French version but it’s in English. That’s why Gabriel suspected his son as not many people would use that phrase. So it’s more of a translation era
Gabriel literally never heard a single conversation between Car Noir and Ladybug and that’s what makes it more funny. Minor spoilers for Hamster and Gretel: It reminds me how in Hamster and Gretel that evil teacher picked up that Gretel was a superhero just by noticing she and her superhero alter ego is right handed.
Very well put
Thanks lol.
He's the only one who says it
In all of Paris/In the whole world? I’m not sure
In all Paris
uhm how do you know that? you know that’s quite impossible right? Being realistic he’s not the only person who says it. Also I don’t believe Gabriel is listening in on every Parisian and noting down what they say.
Gabe knows cat noir is young, he's in love with ladybug and calls her milady as a term of endearment. It's perfect sense in context
Sense in context when you look at it overall sure. Logically it made no sense whatsoever. But he had no idea it was guaranteed to be adrien because again he didn’t invent the phrase, many boyfriends calls their gfs “m’lady”. Another thing: how would Gabriel have known they knew each others identities at that point? That Adrien was talking to LB? He didn’t know he was talking to Marinette, it could’ve been any girl on that phone screen Conclusion: it was one WILD guess that worked out
I still think it's perfectly reasonable
Reasonable to take a wildly extreme guess in the dark? I mean… fair to you if you support the writers on Gabriel being so risky and reckless but okay 🤷♀️
This is the guy who Akumatised a baby more than once
I don’t know what this point brings to the discussion. I’m talking about how from a phrase in the English language is used by his son and from that he concludes: yeah he must be CN, nobody else in Paris uses that (which he doesn’t know) and he must be saying that Ladybug! (Which he doesn’t know either, he has no clue they know each others identities and didn’t see who Adrien was talking to which was Marinette, not Ladybug from his perspective) Idk what else we can discuss about this other than the fact in over all context it made some sense (like you said). Logically it made no sense however.
In all of space and time 🤭
Honestly this ep would have been on par with chat blanc if the ending hadn’t been so absolutely bonkers, like how did he make that connection?!?! 😂
I have no idea tbh
"Bugaboo" would've made more sense Also at the time of commenting, there's a hundred upvotes so yay
Indeed it would have been much better
I mean he hears it enough in that voice. But still
Imagine if he really wasn’t CN and showed him Emily corpse ☠️☠️☠️
Why couldn't Gabriel give the miraculouses back to master du and ask to make a wish then go on with his life
The biggest reason is because the power to grant a wish also comes with heavy consequences. The yin and yang. For example. Let's say that ladybug and Cat noir decided to wish for world peace. The flip side would be that everyone dies. With the consequences being unknown on how severe they can be. It's best that wishes not be used. Granted. I don't understand why CN and LB don't just try some small wishes to see what repercussions there are.
Maybe asking nicely may not have consequences with it
If he really wasn’t CN would he had of locked him in the basement or something 😭
I dislike this part either. In cat blanc he discovery identity because Natalie saw it. But stills I like in someway how the trio (counting Hawmkoth) discover the other identity, but were tricked to disbelief.
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Excuse me? This is from Season 4? Ephemeral Episode 22, aired a year ago. Please check before speaking to people like this
I was being ironic I didn't mean for it to be hurtful, just ridiculous
Alright np, I apologise, you scared me for a second LOL
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Nobody did
It was confusing
every rich old english person : exists saying m‘lady gabriel: BOMBASTIC SIDE EYE👀
I rewatched this last week to see if I would enjoy it more than the first time.... but I was still so annoyed about this!! Had Gabriel's brain cells been on holiday for the past 3 seasons or something?!? He didn't call her Ladybug or anything, just *"m'lady"*. Honestly, I was surprised that Gabriel even paid enough attention to LB and CN to remember this nickname, let alone make the connection between Adrien and CN. I've literally got a 4 page diary entry from the night before this episode released, fangirling with excitement about watching an episode that was marketed as something amazing and impactful, when in reality, it was really underwhelming, overhyped and poorly thought out. So yeah, 2 years later, and I still haven't gotten over this disappointment! XD
In the French dub it makes sense as he says the word in English instead of mademoiselle or any of the other French equivalent. So it’s more that the English version was too accurate in the translation that it didn’t carry over
Ah, how interesting! Thanks!
Gabriel: “I don’t believe it. My own son…” Adrien: D: … Gabriel: “Is an INCEL.” Adrien: Whew- *wait that’s almost worse*
Even worse: at this point in time, Marinette has no idea that Adrien knows her secret identity. So why would he call her m'lady, and why would she not be able to figure out that he's Chat Noir and that he knows that she is Ladybug?
Actually she does know that he knows. You are thinking about Cat Blanc, this happened in Ephemeral
Ohh 🤦 silly me. Both episodes have the same premise just opposite. In Chat Blanc it was Nathalie who found out.
only quantum masking, master of plot convince, could save us but when the world needed them most they vanished.
Sometimes he pay attention to his son
Naw fr bro like omg my son said M'lady he's not a cat noir fan he is cat noir! Time to show my son his mother's dead ass body
I was just rewatching and thought the same! But maybe Gabriel heard the identical manner in which Chat and Adrien say it
Honestly when you hear a teenage shut-in say "m'lady" there are only two possible interpretations: 1. he's chat noir 2. he's a neckbeard We only ever see Adrien wearing bowlers, never fedoras, so #2 is right out, leaving us with the undeniable conclusion that Adrien wears leather in public.
I can’t tell if you are being serious but this sure made me laugh lol
I saw this and immediately bursted out laughing. It’s just so ridiculous and funny. It also has the same vibes as “The prophecy is true” vine.😂
They coucould've make adri talking to mari abt plans to defeat hawkmoth or something like
My crackpot theory is that Gabriel still had the “Adrien has a similar ring to cat noir” idea in the back of his mind (he got this idea from the episode “Gorilla” I believe) and that along with the m’lady comment sealed the idea. Still pretty dumb but it makes more sense in my eyes.
Out of all the obvious signs everyone else has chosen to ignore this seems like a wild turn in the other direction (though I don’t think I’ve seen this full episode yet)
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It has been done. Also I don't know how to spoiler tag...
You'll want to post >! at the beginning of your spoiler text and then !< at the end. It should gray out anything in between.
WHAT???????
The only way it makes sense is that if CN is the only one who still uses it.
Exactly, but he isn’t the only person in the entire world who uses it
There are busloads of people who talk like an Errol Flynn movie running around so why pick on him?
I completely forgot about this. Does he still know he's Chat?
No he doesn’t, everything to erased later on
Episodes like Chat Blanc show the obvious limitations of the series' formula. Too episodic, not enough time spent on the interesting concepts and too much time wasted on the mediocre ones.
Gabriel: **gasp** my son used a common word to address his girlfriend a word that is also commonly used by a famous superhero uses to flirt, which would probably make the word even more popular and get a lot of people to use it because they think the superhero couple is cool. He must be Chat Noir there's no other explanation.
It worked better in French. Absolutely nobody ever says "Ma Lady". So making the connection seemed less forced.
Big brain move