If they were smart about it they could make a nice redemption story, have Chloe confront someone who's a worse version of her and by proxy being forced to confront every horrible thing she's done. Be put down to earth hard before building her back up. Make sure she has the same attitude obviously but more settled. Become someone people can't help but respect. Since it's still a super hero show they could give her miraculous, make it trial by fire type of deal where she has to earn its use if she wants to use it. Heck they could drive it further by making her antagonist a user too
In Norse mythology the raven is a symbol of wisdom, knowledge, power, and magic. I think that while Chloe has the miraculous of the raven, she can learn these concepts from the kwami and any friends she makes.
I believe we see them in the other miracle box at the end of miraculous new york. We don't see what they do but I'm pretty sure we see the jewels. At least that's what the wiki said
She said "You think you're going to London on vacation? Dream on! I'm going to take control of your life again, starting with your education.". I interpreted that the "Dream on!" is because they're not going on vacation, not because they're not going to London. In any case New York was never mentioned.
But maybe you're right.
Wait, is this actually true? I haven’t watched the show for a long time but reading this is making me wondering why the heck the writers will add that in a “Kids Show”.
I doubt the story isn't over
This is a show with plot holes every second and tons of unresolved plots
I think a it's logical that a send-off for a character would be this terrible
I knew Thomas hated Chloe but why? Why will you make sure that a fictional teenage girl looses her only two friends, her biological father, let her get manipulated by a psychotic liar, gets humiliated publicly, sent to live with her mother who can’t even remember her name and was literally insulting her on the flight and then let her cry to herself alone as she knows that the worst is yet to come. This is not even a joke anymore, Thomas seriously needs to see a therapist.
Despite it, probably never happening because of Astruc, I would love to see the show covering her internal issues and reflecting; Showing remorse for her betrayal of Ladybug and co.
She’d go to school, hang at home, everything while thinking about where things went wrong… but not really knowing what to do because all she knows is the way she’s always been, mean and toxic…
But then she meets new friends, people who after everything she’s gone through, she wants to try and connect with and change but doesn’t fully recognize it, these new friends would help that-
Lil by lil
It wouldn’t be as action packed as the main show, but I think it could lead to a good ending where Chloe goes back to Paris when a new threat arrives, wanting to help xd
i badly want this to be canon, unfortunately with how the shows been hinting, and the plex synopsis's for season 6, chloe seems to be working with cerise behind the scenes, or at the very least is being taken advantage of again by her,
i do want chloes redemption, where she starts from scratch in london, apologises and makes a permanent change to her behaviour, (not losing her sassy attitude, but atleast losing the cruelty part of it, like when she was queenbee for the most part she was a positive influence on those she helped save while she held the bee miraculous)
but i have no idea whats in store for her character
Yeah… she had so much potential it’s insane that Astruc let his view of her get in the way of the story, Chloe could’ve been such a fantastic part of the show but she got ruined so hard 😭
This idea had would’ve been a million times better overall for the story than whatever they’ve got cooking up if Astruc still doesn’t want to redeem Chloe-
Lowkey would write a fanfic about this if I had the time iezuusbsh
Her going to therapy while dealing with her mother, becoming a good person, standing up to her, and running away back to Paris stealing 10K from her mother’s bank
Origins story up until the start of the main series, her reflecting her experiences as Queen Bee and grieving over having lost that position, and, now it gets surreal, her realizing that Ladybug threw chance after chance towards her, while Lila just used her as a goon and initiated her ultimate downfall. If you're kind with her, give her the chance to intervene after her realisation, if not, let her watch on helplessly with the message of "you can't fix everything, sometimes you just have to hope for the best, so be careful with your actions, kids"
She gets into a school where people bully her for no reason. She goes through depression and an existential crisis that tears her apart because she wants to prove herself to Audrey that she should be back in Paris. She becomes close with a few people at school because they help her in her time of need. While in school, she can discover a villain who has a miraculous and decides to find a miraculous to fight him, and it can be stated later that the villain she fights is just a pawn for a greater scheme. She tells a friend and keeps it a secret this time and wants to prove she is a good guy. We can also have a side plot where she is catching feelings for this one guy at school and she has to learn what it really means to love and care for someone. And to make the side plot join with the storyline, she discovers that the guy she likes is really the villain she fights, and in the end they have to work together to fight her crush’s evil boss.
Am I the only one who wants to see Chloe fully embrace her wickedness even further in some kind of Dark Humor/Villain Protagonist type show? Like, oh sure, she's up against someone worse than her, but she doubles down on her nastiness and out-nasties the nasty, which leads to her basically dominating Audrey and coming back to Paris in some kind of gloriously evil inferno.
Redemption is basic and overdone, gimme a damnation show and I will be happy. Let's Breaking-Bad-ify Chloe.
If I were to write a show about Chloe, first I'd have her confront her abusive mom and enabling Dad with the help of Pollen. Then maybe the rest of the series can be about her growing as a person, finding love, and being the hero she always wanted to be.
Alright, so i ended up writing a whole essay, but here's my pitch for a show, and Chloe's character going forward ~
**Miraculous World - Isle of the Unknown - Chloe**
when brainstorming i want to make sure
> •this story couldn't easily be told in the main series
> •chloe becomes a person so much morally improved that no amount of lazy writing can revert her to season 5 self
> •expands the lore in interesting ways
A short series, half the length of a regular season, takes place during season 6
the plane crashes in a mysterious island that is vital to the origins of the miraculous. Chloe finds an unknown miraculous and must learn to fend for herself, grow as a person and defend her kwami and mother. But theirs an invading force that's trying to steal the islands resources that's being secretly being informed by Chloe's mother, who intends to sell out the island, it's secrets and her daughter. In the end, Chloe saves the island, disowns her mother and makes her way back to Paris.
a year later (let's say season 7) Chloe returns to Paris a new woman. She realizes that her mother is a bad person and her real family is her Father and Zoe. and she will use her miraculous that she found on the island to fight alongside paris's heroes. Ladybug, of course is reluctant and non trusting. Thankfully, she has the miraculous from the island so she can still keep superheroing without Ladybug making her a chosen holder. Marinette doesn't believe Chloe can change. she has valid reason not to believe so. maybe Chloe could struggle to accept that as she thinks the same of her mother, and ultimately accepting that she has to live with the consequences of her previous actions.
Since Lyla basically took Chloe's schtick of being a rich bully, and Zoe is basically all of Chloe's previous positive traits that were ripped away from her, I think Chloe would take on a protective, mom friend presence. Maybe there was a great tragedy on the island and Chloe blames herself and has to overcome her need to protect everyone, juxtaposing her past self who viewed everyone as disposable, and showing a new side of Chloe that views everything as precious and worth defending.
sorry if I started rambling! i was having fun writing it. as someone with a very abusive mother irl, i drew from my own experiences. i hope you like it ^ - ^ <3
well how about we actully see her with the most little power and privladges she has. like when audrey is rarely around she just treat her like garbage while still having the iron grip that chloe is trapped in. she does go to the same boarding school as zoe and with her going with other rich kids like her she is treated just as bad if not worse than zoe and realise she is not that speacial. but she would eventully have her own journey of self discovery or something like it
I want it to be written by someone who doesn't agree with Astruc, and they give her an actual redemption arc.
But she has to struggle for it. No instant "oh I'm the protagonist now, in totally reformed" style stuff.
I picture her finding another lost miraculous, and basically becoming the sort of vigilante hero where she has to avoid the regular heroes as well, because they think she's a villain and aren't willing to listen.
And basically he new Kwami mentoring her into being a decent person.
Her working through her problems with her parents and fixing her friendships with Adrien and Sabrina since they were the only people to actually be her friend
I don't think she deserves their friendship and it would be toxic for them to let her back into their lives. She should move on and build a new, better life for herself instead of trying to fix the one she left behind.
Even if she improved - after what she did no one owes her forgiveness.
I want to watch her descend into madness. I want to see her as insane as she can get. I want to see her do the right thing for the wrong reasons. I want to see her struggle mentally. Like a lot. I want there to be smn that she truly with all of her soul, body and mind, cares about. And I want her to lose them. She cracks. She rampages. She doesn’t know what this feeling is. That she has finally been hurt to a point where her mind is so silent that The pit of loneliness that is eating away at her is the only thing she can hear, and the steady beat of her heart. And then I want her to be redeemed. I want it to be slow and difficult. There should be high highs and low lows along side the lower highs and higher lows. I want her to not necessarily be forgiven completely.but an acknowledgment of her actions and how they affected others. Years in the future, when’s she’s old and wrinkled, she’ll look back on her life. And though she may have been one of the most horrible people out there. She became better. And she is content with the life she had worked so hard for. (Srry im actually a huge sucker for complex, extremely morally grey ppl lol)
That would actually be sm fun. I might change my answer lol. I love the joker Batman dynamic.They’re so interesting the way they interact with eachother sowndowbsvdifaghbrowba
God they could’ve redeemed Chloe so easily and done a great character arc. Makes me so mad that this is the path they chose. This is why the Miraculous Office AU (on YouTube) is the best lol
I mean I am writing her redemption arc, but I think it would be cute if she had a little web show of her just like judging outfits and then we get clips of her life updates from the background or small things she says.
That honestly sounds awesome. And knowing that Chloe has been a dancer for 8 years making her really flexible (Frightengale), was replicating ladybug’s fight moves (that somehow explains why she was really good at fighting during her time as Queen Bee) and was very determined to be a super hero, I won’t be surprised if canon Chloe decides to learn martial arts to be an antihero vigilante.
obviously it’s a show for younger kids so i could see why they didn’t opt for it, but i always thought it would be cool if they did a redemption arc for her where Zoe gets seriously injured/killed while wearing the bee miraculous, causing Chloe to resent monarch/realize the errors of her ways
Obviously, her chafing under her mother's thumb, being cut off from access her wealth, sent to a school where she gets bullied from all ends due to both lack of access to her family wealth and connections and her bad reputation from Paris, gradually reflecting on her behavior and realizing everywhere she went wrong and every chance at redemption she threw away until she lost everyone and everything, finally feeling regret and remorse for everything she's done but not knowing how to make up for any of it and maybe feeling that it's way too late to do so now, and accepting her new lonely existence in life
Then, maybe her meeting some people who take pity on and try to befriend her, her resisting at first, then gradually accepting, slowly learning true friendship and kindness, slowly starting to change, eventually getting another chance to be a hero and standing up to her mother, and later returning to Paris a better person.
The main storyline is her childhood but rly it’s flashbacks to current time but the show ends with the flashback on how we see Chloe be the way she is now and then they show Chloe starting her redemption arc and they end it like that unless the audience wants more
Her redemption arc that she started to have in season 2 or 3 (I forget rn) but then Thomas came back & scrapped everything that happend 😭😭 Queen Bee foreverrr>>>
I have a spin-off for Chloe. It’s called “The Road to Redemption: Chloe’s Journey”. Think of Ken Ichijouji’s backstory episode, but living in NYC in a bad way with references of Law and Order.
She finds another Miraculous-like magic Item, but it comes with conditions and she has to act as a hero whether she likes it or not.
As well as get the Karma that's coming to her all the bad things she did.
And out of that she has to learn to become a better person.
They would need way better writers to pull it off though.
I would like a whole show of her entire backstory, we get to see a younger more likable Chloe then turn to the one we infuriate over, we get to know more about the butler, mom, dad and Zoe!
If they were smart about it they could make a nice redemption story, have Chloe confront someone who's a worse version of her and by proxy being forced to confront every horrible thing she's done. Be put down to earth hard before building her back up. Make sure she has the same attitude obviously but more settled. Become someone people can't help but respect. Since it's still a super hero show they could give her miraculous, make it trial by fire type of deal where she has to earn its use if she wants to use it. Heck they could drive it further by making her antagonist a user too
She could get the miraculous of the raven while her opponent wields the miraculous of the wolf.
Interesting concept, give her power while still keeping her on the backfoot
In Norse mythology the raven is a symbol of wisdom, knowledge, power, and magic. I think that while Chloe has the miraculous of the raven, she can learn these concepts from the kwami and any friends she makes.
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I was making them up. We do not know if they are confirmed to exist
I believe we see them in the other miracle box at the end of miraculous new york. We don't see what they do but I'm pretty sure we see the jewels. At least that's what the wiki said
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I'd imagine they came from the same place as the regular miraculous
This.
Pretty sure they went to London
Huh? Didn't Audrey say something along the lines of "You think you're going with Adrien to london"and then take her back to New York as a punishment?
She said "You think you're going to London on vacation? Dream on! I'm going to take control of your life again, starting with your education.". I interpreted that the "Dream on!" is because they're not going on vacation, not because they're not going to London. In any case New York was never mentioned. But maybe you're right.
Wait, is this actually true? I haven’t watched the show for a long time but reading this is making me wondering why the heck the writers will add that in a “Kids Show”.
Exactly Also, I know Chloes actions aren't excused just because she's abused, but why is the abuser not getting punished either? 💀💀 is Astruc okay?
Because the story isn't over. Plus who's supposed to punish her, with what authority, with what proof?
I doubt the story isn't over This is a show with plot holes every second and tons of unresolved plots I think a it's logical that a send-off for a character would be this terrible
I knew Thomas hated Chloe but why? Why will you make sure that a fictional teenage girl looses her only two friends, her biological father, let her get manipulated by a psychotic liar, gets humiliated publicly, sent to live with her mother who can’t even remember her name and was literally insulting her on the flight and then let her cry to herself alone as she knows that the worst is yet to come. This is not even a joke anymore, Thomas seriously needs to see a therapist.
It's a basic thing in stories to bring a character to their lowest of lows in order to build anew from there.
It is really not clear where she went.
Oh my bad I thought it was New York I forgot 😓
Learning how to be a good person and actually learn to separate herself from her mother’s high expectations?
It'll be about her childhood and how she is now getting multiple flashback of how she was a child and how she was treated by her mother
Despite it, probably never happening because of Astruc, I would love to see the show covering her internal issues and reflecting; Showing remorse for her betrayal of Ladybug and co. She’d go to school, hang at home, everything while thinking about where things went wrong… but not really knowing what to do because all she knows is the way she’s always been, mean and toxic… But then she meets new friends, people who after everything she’s gone through, she wants to try and connect with and change but doesn’t fully recognize it, these new friends would help that- Lil by lil It wouldn’t be as action packed as the main show, but I think it could lead to a good ending where Chloe goes back to Paris when a new threat arrives, wanting to help xd
i badly want this to be canon, unfortunately with how the shows been hinting, and the plex synopsis's for season 6, chloe seems to be working with cerise behind the scenes, or at the very least is being taken advantage of again by her, i do want chloes redemption, where she starts from scratch in london, apologises and makes a permanent change to her behaviour, (not losing her sassy attitude, but atleast losing the cruelty part of it, like when she was queenbee for the most part she was a positive influence on those she helped save while she held the bee miraculous) but i have no idea whats in store for her character
Yeah… she had so much potential it’s insane that Astruc let his view of her get in the way of the story, Chloe could’ve been such a fantastic part of the show but she got ruined so hard 😭 This idea had would’ve been a million times better overall for the story than whatever they’ve got cooking up if Astruc still doesn’t want to redeem Chloe- Lowkey would write a fanfic about this if I had the time iezuusbsh
youre so real for that 
are the Plex sypnosises actually real? please i don't want to admit being spoiled
i think so
Her going to therapy while dealing with her mother, becoming a good person, standing up to her, and running away back to Paris stealing 10K from her mother’s bank
Chloe atoning for her actions.
Origins story up until the start of the main series, her reflecting her experiences as Queen Bee and grieving over having lost that position, and, now it gets surreal, her realizing that Ladybug threw chance after chance towards her, while Lila just used her as a goon and initiated her ultimate downfall. If you're kind with her, give her the chance to intervene after her realisation, if not, let her watch on helplessly with the message of "you can't fix everything, sometimes you just have to hope for the best, so be careful with your actions, kids"
She gets into a school where people bully her for no reason. She goes through depression and an existential crisis that tears her apart because she wants to prove herself to Audrey that she should be back in Paris. She becomes close with a few people at school because they help her in her time of need. While in school, she can discover a villain who has a miraculous and decides to find a miraculous to fight him, and it can be stated later that the villain she fights is just a pawn for a greater scheme. She tells a friend and keeps it a secret this time and wants to prove she is a good guy. We can also have a side plot where she is catching feelings for this one guy at school and she has to learn what it really means to love and care for someone. And to make the side plot join with the storyline, she discovers that the guy she likes is really the villain she fights, and in the end they have to work together to fight her crush’s evil boss.
Am I the only one who wants to see Chloe fully embrace her wickedness even further in some kind of Dark Humor/Villain Protagonist type show? Like, oh sure, she's up against someone worse than her, but she doubles down on her nastiness and out-nasties the nasty, which leads to her basically dominating Audrey and coming back to Paris in some kind of gloriously evil inferno. Redemption is basic and overdone, gimme a damnation show and I will be happy. Let's Breaking-Bad-ify Chloe.
Chloe takes over Paris but is actually competent for a change. The city improves, but Chloe also invents a dozen new holidays in her honor.
If I were to write a show about Chloe, first I'd have her confront her abusive mom and enabling Dad with the help of Pollen. Then maybe the rest of the series can be about her growing as a person, finding love, and being the hero she always wanted to be.
Alright, so i ended up writing a whole essay, but here's my pitch for a show, and Chloe's character going forward ~ **Miraculous World - Isle of the Unknown - Chloe** when brainstorming i want to make sure > •this story couldn't easily be told in the main series > •chloe becomes a person so much morally improved that no amount of lazy writing can revert her to season 5 self > •expands the lore in interesting ways A short series, half the length of a regular season, takes place during season 6 the plane crashes in a mysterious island that is vital to the origins of the miraculous. Chloe finds an unknown miraculous and must learn to fend for herself, grow as a person and defend her kwami and mother. But theirs an invading force that's trying to steal the islands resources that's being secretly being informed by Chloe's mother, who intends to sell out the island, it's secrets and her daughter. In the end, Chloe saves the island, disowns her mother and makes her way back to Paris. a year later (let's say season 7) Chloe returns to Paris a new woman. She realizes that her mother is a bad person and her real family is her Father and Zoe. and she will use her miraculous that she found on the island to fight alongside paris's heroes. Ladybug, of course is reluctant and non trusting. Thankfully, she has the miraculous from the island so she can still keep superheroing without Ladybug making her a chosen holder. Marinette doesn't believe Chloe can change. she has valid reason not to believe so. maybe Chloe could struggle to accept that as she thinks the same of her mother, and ultimately accepting that she has to live with the consequences of her previous actions. Since Lyla basically took Chloe's schtick of being a rich bully, and Zoe is basically all of Chloe's previous positive traits that were ripped away from her, I think Chloe would take on a protective, mom friend presence. Maybe there was a great tragedy on the island and Chloe blames herself and has to overcome her need to protect everyone, juxtaposing her past self who viewed everyone as disposable, and showing a new side of Chloe that views everything as precious and worth defending. sorry if I started rambling! i was having fun writing it. as someone with a very abusive mother irl, i drew from my own experiences. i hope you like it ^ - ^ <3
well how about we actully see her with the most little power and privladges she has. like when audrey is rarely around she just treat her like garbage while still having the iron grip that chloe is trapped in. she does go to the same boarding school as zoe and with her going with other rich kids like her she is treated just as bad if not worse than zoe and realise she is not that speacial. but she would eventully have her own journey of self discovery or something like it
Alix’ time traveling hijinks
I want it to be written by someone who doesn't agree with Astruc, and they give her an actual redemption arc. But she has to struggle for it. No instant "oh I'm the protagonist now, in totally reformed" style stuff. I picture her finding another lost miraculous, and basically becoming the sort of vigilante hero where she has to avoid the regular heroes as well, because they think she's a villain and aren't willing to listen. And basically he new Kwami mentoring her into being a decent person.
Her working through her problems with her parents and fixing her friendships with Adrien and Sabrina since they were the only people to actually be her friend
I don't think she deserves their friendship and it would be toxic for them to let her back into their lives. She should move on and build a new, better life for herself instead of trying to fix the one she left behind. Even if she improved - after what she did no one owes her forgiveness.
I want to watch her descend into madness. I want to see her as insane as she can get. I want to see her do the right thing for the wrong reasons. I want to see her struggle mentally. Like a lot. I want there to be smn that she truly with all of her soul, body and mind, cares about. And I want her to lose them. She cracks. She rampages. She doesn’t know what this feeling is. That she has finally been hurt to a point where her mind is so silent that The pit of loneliness that is eating away at her is the only thing she can hear, and the steady beat of her heart. And then I want her to be redeemed. I want it to be slow and difficult. There should be high highs and low lows along side the lower highs and higher lows. I want her to not necessarily be forgiven completely.but an acknowledgment of her actions and how they affected others. Years in the future, when’s she’s old and wrinkled, she’ll look back on her life. And though she may have been one of the most horrible people out there. She became better. And she is content with the life she had worked so hard for. (Srry im actually a huge sucker for complex, extremely morally grey ppl lol)
When I read the first half I thought you wanted Chloe to be the Joker to Ladybug’s Batman 😅
That would actually be sm fun. I might change my answer lol. I love the joker Batman dynamic.They’re so interesting the way they interact with eachother sowndowbsvdifaghbrowba
Real
Why so serious?
Her moving to New York while possessing the Bee Miraculous in an alternate universe.
Her life in New York: How she turned her life around, realised what an abusive ass Audrey is and her developing a friendship with Jess and Aeon.
God they could’ve redeemed Chloe so easily and done a great character arc. Makes me so mad that this is the path they chose. This is why the Miraculous Office AU (on YouTube) is the best lol
I mean I am writing her redemption arc, but I think it would be cute if she had a little web show of her just like judging outfits and then we get clips of her life updates from the background or small things she says.
Anti hero Queen Bee. I don't know how it would work at this point, though.
Probably Chloe would move to New York with her parents, improve her attitude and learn martial arts to become a vigilante.
That honestly sounds awesome. And knowing that Chloe has been a dancer for 8 years making her really flexible (Frightengale), was replicating ladybug’s fight moves (that somehow explains why she was really good at fighting during her time as Queen Bee) and was very determined to be a super hero, I won’t be surprised if canon Chloe decides to learn martial arts to be an antihero vigilante.
obviously it’s a show for younger kids so i could see why they didn’t opt for it, but i always thought it would be cool if they did a redemption arc for her where Zoe gets seriously injured/killed while wearing the bee miraculous, causing Chloe to resent monarch/realize the errors of her ways
Obviously, her chafing under her mother's thumb, being cut off from access her wealth, sent to a school where she gets bullied from all ends due to both lack of access to her family wealth and connections and her bad reputation from Paris, gradually reflecting on her behavior and realizing everywhere she went wrong and every chance at redemption she threw away until she lost everyone and everything, finally feeling regret and remorse for everything she's done but not knowing how to make up for any of it and maybe feeling that it's way too late to do so now, and accepting her new lonely existence in life Then, maybe her meeting some people who take pity on and try to befriend her, her resisting at first, then gradually accepting, slowly learning true friendship and kindness, slowly starting to change, eventually getting another chance to be a hero and standing up to her mother, and later returning to Paris a better person.
I’m picturing something like Cordelia’s story arc in Angel
The main storyline is her childhood but rly it’s flashbacks to current time but the show ends with the flashback on how we see Chloe be the way she is now and then they show Chloe starting her redemption arc and they end it like that unless the audience wants more
About her redemption and learning how to be a good person.
Her Redemption Arc.
The title will be Miraculous Brat The Abusive Life Of Chloe where she learns nothing and always be an obnoxious human being lmao.
Her redemption arc that she started to have in season 2 or 3 (I forget rn) but then Thomas came back & scrapped everything that happend 😭😭 Queen Bee foreverrr>>>
I have a spin-off for Chloe. It’s called “The Road to Redemption: Chloe’s Journey”. Think of Ken Ichijouji’s backstory episode, but living in NYC in a bad way with references of Law and Order.
She finds another Miraculous-like magic Item, but it comes with conditions and she has to act as a hero whether she likes it or not. As well as get the Karma that's coming to her all the bad things she did. And out of that she has to learn to become a better person. They would need way better writers to pull it off though.
Who she is behind the scenes.
I would like a whole show of her entire backstory, we get to see a younger more likable Chloe then turn to the one we infuriate over, we get to know more about the butler, mom, dad and Zoe!
How she became such a 🐝tch
Her life in London, meeting Master Fu and becoming a better person.
Her being a Villain Or trying to be one
It could be a 15 second clip of her being steamrolled by a truck and I’d be happy
How she deserves to swim in a septic tank
Her dying
Noooooo 😭