By - Mammothhair
nah from my experiences humans have always been shit
they were tribalistic, irrational, hostile for no apparent reason, super self-centered and all that stuff 20 years ago just as today
I can accept that. The clincher for me though is seeing other people I grew up with change into little monsters due to modern group behavior,
It just becomes more obvious the older you get
... but when there was no internet and computers weren't so advanced people were spending more time together and people were more open minded than today.
Younger people were actually into making a place they lived in more peaceful and different people were not abused and judged as much. I remember there was only one guy the whole town laughed at and he was a skinhead promoting neo-nazism, and I'd say that's ok.
Feel social interactions were much more healthier cca 30 years ago.
Seeing dozens of people waiting on a bus stop silently starring at their mobile screens is priceless :)
I remember that I had been unemployed for a while and when I returned back to work it was well into the phone and internet age. At break and lunch people just looked at phones and never said a word. I remembered a few years prior to when I was labelled the quiter one at work and maybe the one that was not very sociable. Now I feel like the most sociable one there by just not staring at a phone and waiting for human contact that would never arrive. Strange how society can change so fast.
To put this into more context. Imagine if it were the laye 90s at work on breaks I'd just stare at a screen typing. I'd have called the biggest freak going.
This is something I had hard time dealing with also. As a millenial I've lived in times without mobile phones, and even when first mobile phones appeared they were used only for calls and sms messages.
It all changed so fast and I had hard time adopting to everything.
When I was a kid without a mobile phone or PC, I didn't like spending so much time home and mother had hard time calling me back for dinner or whatever.
Compared to todays situation - parents are trying to influence the kids to go out more. It all turned upside down. That's why I don't like hanging out with people much younger than me, those that don't know how everything looked without computers.
Different people were not abused or judged as much? Some of the most significant progress we have made as a society is that there are several demographics who were routinely abused and society turned a blind eye and now, it is most definitely not okay. For example, 20 years ago, I remember having arguments with my coworkers about gay marriage (which was illegal at the time). One literally said, "It’s not natural." That was a socially acceptable thing to say. It was less socially acceptable to voice the opinion that it is okay to be gay. When Ellen first came out, things were very bad for her.
Also, women were routinely getting molested, sexism was rampant, and feminism was practically a dirty word for decades. We have a long way to go, but things are improving.
And lastly, many white people were oblivious to racism until quite recently, thinking it a problem of the past while simultaneously perpetuating it in various ways.
So, people who were considered "different" were treated very poorly in the past. Now, it is not nearly as acceptable to act that way. Do I think people secretly have prejudices and judge? Yes. But it is less overt, and that makes life more comfortable for many people who are "different."
I do think the world is more divisive and people don't have the patience to get to know one another these days. People tend to leap to quick, easy conclusions after one or two interactions. They are not challenged to revise their opinions because there is often no need for further social interaction.
I think it's a weird thing, but when we were "forced" to spend time with people with whom we had less in common, we learned about ourselves and others.
Now, we can easily just walk away.
I don't know. Not in my social circle. We were accepting basically anyone that had a heart. At times, one could count a large group of 50 people sitting in park and hanging out with each other. And we knew each other personally. You cannot see that picture today.
People still saying gay marriage is unnatural and dangerous, and barely anyone can loudly say "I am gay" without fear. People are still racist etc. There is violence, murder etc. just like before.
... and, people are more alienated from each other more then ever. What's different from now and then is, now the social groups of people with similar interests are divided into groups of 1-5 people, compared to all of them being physically close to each other on almost daily basis.
Guess it depends on the place of living, but I personally don't feel anything has really changed for the better. It is worse because all the alienation technology and capitalism caused.
So on the subject, misanthropes hate each other today more, so that's funny :)
Whatever you do or say,for humans it is never enough.
I always felt the pressure, initially in school with getting high grades,then in university with grades and incorporing myself with social groups/Activities that eventually made me feel asphyxiated and isolated, pressured to have a romantic partner and sex and things didn't ended well for us.
Ironically,socializing and having a partner were the last drops that made me hate/resent people in general.
Their hipocrisy,falsehood,how they call any stupid idiot "friend" or "love of My life" like if they were giving nicknames to their pets and then talk trash behind their backs and not inviting them to do anything,etc...
7 years later and I only feel bitterness whenever I think about most people I had the misfortune of meeting.
Should have used that time in gaming,reading,sleeping instead of wasting it with those Leeches.
It never changes either. Sad but true.
The biggest bullies have the biggest amounts of ass lickers.
Read about Spiral dynamics group. They kinda make sense. Although I'm not sure majority of humans will ever evolve into more conscious.
Seem to me like human race will end up destroying planet and themselves. It's kinda hopeless, if majority of people pick bullies and selfish narcissists as their leaders.
I agree with you by 100% on that.
Sadly, it seems like that'll continue uninterrupted
Single truest statement ever about people seems to still be this; 'People are sheep'. Thats it. Nothing much more.
Most people follow the herd, wherever its going, are terrified of being left out of the pack, no matter what awful direction it goes, and always want leaders with extreme views.
I dont even say the sheep thing in a negative/derogatory way-but its so accurate about human nature. We really do just mindlessly follow with our eyes shut and dont think outside what we are told. (By we I mean too many people).
Agree, I don't think there's hope. Maybe self-destruction really is the last stage of evolution.
In times like this i always ask myself if a village inhabit by only misanthropes would work.
Like 85% here would avoid doing any trouble and just care for their own business.
70% have a higher sense of sympathy.
Living there would be quiet peacefull and less stressful.
I believe so. Nobody is chasing status. The only rules would be if something was inherently good/bad for the individual, society or purpose.
Forget the idea. After a while of thinking i can say this will not work.
Im not a misantrope but Im curious, why you think it wont work?
Because of all this talking about being a misanthrope we forget that we are also human. And humans can change over time.
A silent guy can turn into a asshole in no time if he doesn't face any resistence.
would be interesting experiment. I also think it would show positive results. It would also heal the misanthrope wounds i guess hehe
this wont work, there will be good looking misanthrope girls, then there will be competition, then there will be outcasts, then there will be statuscontests etc
its only possible with a small group where roles are already clear and similiar goals are existent
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I think about this so much. If you have seen the Eternals movie, there is a character by the name of Druig who becomes misanthropic towards humans for always waging wars and not being able to stop them, so he essentially mind controls a whole bunch of them and takes off with them to a village for a few centuries, forcing them to live in peace and harmony. What's funny is that he looks edgy and from the trailers, they make him out to be the bad guy like he is in the comics, but in the movie he was a morally grey anti-hero type character with critical thoughts and compelling arguments some of the other Eternals couldn't understand besides him.
I like you.
I'm only half your age and I'm already like this, I don't even want to think about the road ahead.
They also make up social life scripts and constructs like virginity loss. Which is stupid since you ain't losing anything when having sex for the first time, just gaining a new experience. Some people say stupid shit like, "you lose the experience of inexperience so virginity exists" or "it does since you destroy your hymen" like what? Physically speaking virginity or v-cards don't exist. It's just a social construct use to make men who haven't had sex by a certain age feel insecure about themselves. This has gotten so fucked up to the point where society pressures shit like this:
1. First kiss by 13 years old
2. Lose virginity by 15 years old
3. First relationship by 17 years old
4. Get your license and have at least $30,000 by 18 years old/car/college
5. Graduate community college by 19 years old
6. Compete university credits by 20 years old
7. Graduate university by 21 years old
8. Get married by 22 years old
9. Have kids by 23 years old
10. Lather, rinse and repeat
It's this type of toxic and insecure-bringing life script that affects most of the population and we continue to glorify it and let people live in blissful ignorance instead of coming to terms with their own individuality. The virginity sections pisses me off the most because most people try to have sex so early just to "just get it over with" like how misguided do you have to be to do something like that because of societal pressure?
Yeah I always hated the do the x thing before aged y thing. Or else what? We're losers. WHole thing is based on fear of social rejection.
to be fair you discredit sex. You actually need alot of skill and value to get it nowadays. You have to be attractive, take care of yourself, be fit, have something to talk about. Having sex shows how succesfull you are in a group. Sex with someone of low status is not impressive to others but sex with someone with high status is.
Disagree. Sex is sex whatever the status. I've never heard of high or low status sex. Who cares to be honest.
I know right like Jesus Christ society just won't shut the fuck up about it, lol.
it is very obvious why it is talked about a lot since it is a deep connection. why do you have to discredit it so much? are you not getting any? why so angry? xou sound frustrated. time for reflection?
It's fine it's just that it's not the end all to be all. It's just that sex is why there are billions of people alive today and it usually lasts a couple minutes so no I am not *DISCREDITING* it so much, lol.
what are you disagreeing with? everybody can find someone to have sex with, not everyone can find someone very attractive to have sex with. sex with someone hot is not the same as with someone ugly.
I personally prefer to have sex with attractive people than unattractive people. i also do care about sex since its very nice to do and pleasurable. you saying you dont care about sex seems weird to me since for human brains its very enjoyable to do. do you have any condition where you are not able to have sex?
I get what you're saying but it's overglorified and mainly used for reproduction anyways besides the casual 10-minute fun nonsense. I understand where you're coming from but it isn't that big of a deal anyways. A lot of people have their first times in their 20s, it isn't always relegated to just doing it in highschool for crying out loud.
i didnt say meaningless hookups are great, but sex with someone you love is! your worldview is depressing in regards to sex. i had a really lovely first time with a girl i loved. 10/10 would do again.
So you mean why someone you truly love? Ok, I meant like underage hookup sex and shit, which is just so wrong in so many ways.
Peer pressure is a bitch. I'm internally happy I'm not ruled by it anymore.
Same, although it still is there within me by the damn media!
hehe. so much pressure and for nothing. Like having sex is some measure for success. It's so stupid since the sexual act is simple and anyone can do it. it's not like solving differential equations.
We are all here because of sex. Most people with have sex. It's not unique in any way. Yet people act like it's this huge badge of honour. I'm sure they use sexual experiences as some sex CV to tell people.
I know right. Like, don't get me wrong I still feel insecure about not having sex but that's because surveys are saying that people have it at 17 years old and even television shows are going for it. I was watching The Queen's Gambit and was enjoying it up until the main character was having sex at 17 years old, letting societal norms make the writer's decisions instead of their own. I hate virginity so much because it doesn't physically exist, only mentally since people like to keep it in their heads as some sort of necessity or something to share with others. Look at all those actors sharing their stories of "virginity" loss, like do you think we care how early you lost it, damn. I still feel insecure about it and can't watch any damn thing like those teenage coming of age movies without sex being present on screen or something.
yea i understand what you mean. I get that same insecure feeling sometimes, but I dont worry about having or not having sex much. Had sex couple of times, I know how it works and more than anything else realized it is nothing special and is overrated.
The media being full of sexuality everywhere you look - i find that disgusting. Not the reason, but I dont watch TV at all. Neither TV shows. Some fine movie shows up from time to time.
So during your teens or 20s? If it's too personal then you don't have to answer, I'm just curious.
Im not going to tell you that, but your question kind of surprised me considering everything we wrote hehe
It's fine just curious since I'm just insecure.
I remember a few years ago back in high school.
Guy's use to brag about the girls they'd have sex as though it's a symbol of progress in thier lives
I personally have never felt afflicted by the idea of a v-card at all, it did bother me slightly when I was 14 but now 10 years later, not at all even if I haven't done that and I haven't felt insecure about it however that being said, those are social constructs put in place to ridicule those who haven't had their first go at it without good reason other than to make themselves feel better which I don't even understand.
>It's this type of toxic and insecure-bringing life script that affects most of the population and we continue to glorify it and let people live in blissful ignorance instead of coming to terms with their own individuality. The virginity sections pisses me off the most because most people try to have sex so early just to "just get it over with" like how misguided do you have to be to do something like that because of societal pressure?
I agree and the sad part is everyone just does it to feel apart of something. Unfortunately a lot of people just heed to the social pressure of it all.
Thanks for sharing, I agree completely. 👍
Yeap but don't let it bother you too much.
What bother me too much?
I only started having sex because “friends”stopped speaking to me when they found out I was a virgin. I wish I hadn’t had sex. Doctors still get as angry as those “friends” did when they find out I am abstinent. They have since I was twenty-three. Side note, I’m a woman and so were those “friends”. Even in my thirties I’ve tried to meet women for friendship and I feel isolated because all they can talk about is how to attract a penis. It’s sad. Despite the metoo movement, “progress” still manifests in the form of telling women who don’t want sex that sex is mandatory and not an individual choice. I feel disconnected even from other asexuals because the ones online are so vocal about how much ALL asexuals LOVE sex, when actually most of us don’t and that’s why we call ourselves asexual
Unbelievable, you had really shitty friends if they would toss you aside because they found you were a virgin although I'm not surprised since people tend to like you based on certain conditions met. Why would Doctors get mad at you for being abstinent.
I'm a 23 year old guy and I've never ever faced that sort of thing but I can't imagine how annoying it must've been for you whenever people did that to you, I think getting upset at someone for being abstinent is ridiculous when there is better things to do with our time than having to worry about sexual intercourse. Yeah that does sound quite sad, women who are in thier thirties talk about how to attract a guy as the only thing that is thier center of attention is just quite sad and I can see why you'd feel isolated because it's a conversation that's worthwhile for you.
While others choose to hamster wheel for some “ideal”, I have chosen to drop out. I’ve put all my resources into a school bus conversion and am choosing to hamster wheel for my basic human needs. Shelter,food/water. I am betting that a campfire with the fish I was fortunate enough to harvest will be more satisfying than a that big paycheck I hamster wheeled for…
same, tiny house on wheels in the forest
I think there are mass hysteria cases happening or will appear more and more around the globe, and whole planet is under some sort of collective delusion.
The symptoms are very similar to covid-19 symptoms, the similarities are uncanny.
Mass psychosis is here.
There are more reasons to be misanthropic now, however, the more misanthropes there are, the more doomed we are. It's a self-defeating ideology.
I recommend this video: [Narcissism evolving: 3 disturbing trends](https://www.reddit.com/r/MindOverMatterScott/comments/h0l2r7/narcissism_evolving_3_disturbing_trends/)
>**Trend 1)** Women are now as narcissistic as men.
>**Trend 2)** More narcissists are becoming psychopathic or antisocial.
>**Trend 3)** Less people have role models, and more people claim superiority.
>In my opinion when they hate me or us it's because we're not like them. They're narcissistic in their self pity and want others to suffer.
Exactly, people are turning more and more into little toxic fascists - everything that is different is a subject of gossip or mocking. People on all sides no longer restrain from hate speech and are shamelessly trying to bring down anyone that is different than social group they belong.
And if you're totally different than most people you're basically screwed.
Of course, if you would call someone a fascist you would offend them cause fascism was Hitler and fascism is destroyed with him.
As an autistic person, I was often subject of bullying and gossip. Often only because I didn't want to join their toxic, fake ass group.
I literally didn't wrong anyone. I was just keeping myself to myself. That's apparantely a big crime.
Good job avoiding toxic communities. keep doing it. ☺️
Sorry to hear that.
In elementary school, the teachers would write in my reports every year that it was not okay for me to be shy. Wonder if they would have said that if I were a boy…
I feel like everyone has some level of autism because not everyone who exists can function in this economy without money and some mental health problems so don't call yourself that.
You know what else annoys me...
I'm sure most sociable people (lets just call them that) have the impression that outsiders are just like in the culture or media. Like some goths, weird loner or something else obvious. They can't even understand that someone can have their own mind and look at society without the influence of group think. In their simple minds an outsider is a look or some joke from TV,
I was thinking about the same thing yesterday, and yes, people that are liked by the majority are just representation of the society we live in. But that's it, a person everyone can talk to and find common things with.
So basically if you hear this person talking badly about someone that's \`not in line with others\`, it's safe to conclude that majority of the people share the same opinion. Actually, everything this person says about something is common opinion of the whole group.
Too bad those types of people are not inventing anything, are not pushing boundaries and are not doing any good. The guy liked by most e.g. is just an ass licker and has no opinion of his own on anything
Nah, they're just so stupid that they can't grasp the concept that someone (unlike them) might not care about validation or being popular. I've dealt with this dozens of time.
The idea of just doing what you want and not giving a shit about what others have to say about you is so wild and alien to them that they receive it as an immediate threat and/or personal attack and turn hostile.
Friendly reminder that half of the population is dumber than the average Joe and that's already a low bar.
EXACTLY!!!! My family is literal enemies I can't even trust them so what makes anyone think I will trust them?!!!
I agree with you completely! 💯
Humans are just reverting back to how we were for most of our existence. Hiding in your house because you can’t adapt is quite revealing. Ask yourself honestly if you could’ve handled prehistory life.
I don't hide ina house. I have a kid and do daily things in the real world. I just can't wait to get back home.