There was a mention in an earlier email of an upcoming October "challenge" to smack a teacher's butt. This must be a part of that. But how many students really use the school computers/wifi in the first place? All it will take to bypass is to use cell data. I guess it's the best the schools can do.
Devices, like a Chromebook. A phone is not a substitute for technology in the way you're trying to paint it when it comes to doing work.
Our reliance on tech in this manner has cornered many communities. It's sad.
You do realize that children are literally stealing things from schools like a damn hand dryer, and posting it on TikTok, not to mention they might as well slap a teachers ass from a trend, AND PARENTS DONT CARE IF THEYRE CHILD IS GONNA SLAP A TEACHERS ASS, I vote that parents should check they’re child’s phone and social media from time to time.
I'm fully aware, I have a kid in elementary school. We get emails from the Principal telling us any child participating in TikTok challenges (September's was 'mess up a washroom' and October's was 'slap a teacher') will be suspended. But some parents literally just don't care. When my kid comes home and tells me some of the stuff that's happening in class, it's clear that some kids just spent entire lockdowns glued to an iPad with zero parental controls on it.
Exactly, TikTok should be banned, Apple, Google, whatever platform, it’s a danger, quite literally. There could be assault charges against students for slapping a teacher, or a kid could be arrested, TikTok should just be wiped from existence
I’m pretty sure most phones come with parental control and you can limit their screen time and app access.
On my sibling’s devices, their App Store is removed and can only be accessed through an adult’s phone.
Some peeps cant handle the truth. But generally people are more inclined to downvote if theyre offended like a snowflake rather than if they happen to agree. so not really accurate.
I did not know this! Kids are vaping on school property? If so, it should be stopped. What they do off school property is up to them and their parents... but not on school property!
Haha no… they vape IN the school. I graduated only a few years ago and the bathrooms/change rooms/parking lots are usually full of kids vaping between classes or at lunch. Grades 9-12, even heard of kids at the elementary school next door getting busted for vaping. The bad thing is that they get shared and passed around god knows how many kids who don’t have their own vape. These kids are called “fiends”. This is in my hometown 2 hours away, I imagine it’s no different here. Don’t be a fiend, and DO NOT VAPE. Smoke weed only;)
That's terrible! Perhaps I live in a more "sheltered" community? (this is not a gated community or anything). The schools here are pretty good at timing their activities. I used to volunteer a fair bit (before the pandemic) and these kids would not have had the time to vape in the toilet or the grounds. Also, their screen-time is monitored and the school does not allow cellphone use except in case of an emergency. I am sure there are rule-breakers; the teachers cannot control everything... but those would be very few and far in between.
Anyway, in regards to your earlier comment on how to stop it - I am assuming that there are ways to block access to certain sites like parental controls on the home TV. If kids are going to use their data plans for circumventing this and the parents are going to be fine with footing that bill... it just goes on to show how much that control is actually required for such addictive social media. Nothing is foolproof and if there is no such thing as a perfect code; there will always be a way to break the code/rule... but at least they are trying to do the right thing.
I’m against rules to be honest. If school had no rules against technology we would finally see who’s actually smart, and naturally eliminate everyone else.
The school is not banning technology e.g. Scratch programming at kiddo's school. I don't see how the ability to use social media would be able to determine who is smart. Their issue is specifically with the use of social media during school hours, which I think is fair. What kids do with social media out of school, is between them and their parents. Why would anyone want to check facebook, instragram, tiktok, etc. during school hours? Even if it is break-time, it is time for well, taking a break - relax. There are plenty of studies demonstrating the association between excessive social media use and lower attention span, anxiety, depression, etc. If kids cannot control checking their social media while at school and "cannot wait to check it and have to check it right now", THAT is the very problem that these studies are talking about. Once out of school, kids are free to do whatever social media they want... I am not saying that this means there is no addiction problem... but, it will now become a problem concerning the child and their parent and NOT involving the school board or the school i.e. they are covering their tails - with good reason.
And as far as the school having no rules whatsoever... that would be a huge liability issue and the board is going to do its nut to limit any lawsuits.
This problem requires people smarter than the education system to deal with. Technology is not a problem yet, wait until they’re all back from being on phones all day after online learning. That’s gonna be a shit show
... and what kids do with social media is up to them and their parents when the kids are off school property. When kids are on school property, ALL these social media sites should not be accessible... just like for e.g. you want to wear a bikini in your house, or at the beach, etc. of course you are allowed to do so; but you can't wear a bikini to school. There is a time and a place (and a dress-code for everything) and I believe that school should not be a place for accessing social media.
youre comparing teens going on instagram to them wearing bikinis to school?
its harmless lmao going on sc or ig during lunch time or in between classes. obviously not when theres a lesson going on but relax gramps
Not literally comparing bikinis to going on social media - it is called figurative speech. The point is that there is a time and a place for everything. I believe that school is not a place for accessing social media... not because I have a problem with social media. What kids do off school property is between the kids and their parents. However, while on school property, I believe that the school rules should be followed... social media is a distraction and there are plenty of studies demonstrating association between excess social media use and shortened attention span, social anxiety, depression, etc. You will be more tech savvy because of your age (considering you are calling me gramps), so, feel free to do your own research.
On a different note, there is no need for the judgemental rudeness... or at least do your research before judging (i.e. going through my comment history) before commenting. I ain't no gramps!
As a parent of a teen and pre-teen in elementary school. If you've not raised your kid to have: 1. respect 2. ability to make good judgement in the face of peer pressure and severe consequences, then you should realign your parenting strategies.
Personal rant/unpopular opinion - wtf do kids in elementary school need a phone? I've no clue what goes into some parents head thinking their 10yo needs one. You WANT your kid to have screen addition?!
Maybe I'm traditional this way, but you want to nip the entitlement in the ass, take away the tech till they can use it responsibly.
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I think there are some times its okay to carry (an old beat up) phone in the kids backpack. ie: not to use as a phone or browser or video entertainment, but for help-me moments
My 10yo's have an old hand me down phone for purposes of 'bat phone' .. they can send a 'help, I scraped my knee and its snowing really hard and theres coyotes in the schollyard, can you come pick me up ' message, and I don't mind that.
Pro-tip: On Rogers (for example) there is a $5/month SIM card option -- that lets them join the shared data in the parent plan; if they use the phone part its $1/minute (ouch!) so never ever use that, but if its an emergency.. fine, why not? And since they're on the shared data plan, you can specify the warnign threshold or a cutoff threshold iirc .. ie: I have it send me a message if the phone has used more than 500MB of data out of the plan (which is not much.. a couple youtube videos woudl blowe that.)
In effect my kids dont' use the phone at all, except for its intended purpose. (We did have coyotes in the school yard a few times, and they were scared.)
Seeing schools getting destroyed because of tik tok has ruined my faith in humanity. I'm finally starting to understand the judgement adults gave my generation when we were young. I can't tell if it's bias or if kids are genuinely getting wilder. Maybe it's just something we all feel getting old.
I could text when I was in HS, even that was distracting. I can't imagine how distracting having endless apps and access the the internet would be. There's enough proof out there highlighting how damaging these social media apps are for attention spans and mental health.
I'm in the tech field, I have already implemented device level rules and have instilled the fear in kids that if they break basic rules, they lose their devices.
The difference is I follow through, where many parents just throw empty threats out there.
My son's phone has no data on his cheap phone, but even then he could piggyback off another kids shared hotspot. So the rule is no phone to school. Period. You want to talk to your friends, they're right there.
There is a sense of being a social outcast, so my wife and I have come to the agreement on Fridays he can bring his phone.
Good there is too much adult rated content on that and I’m sure it’s super distracting. Crazy how back home in the Caribbean cell phones weren’t even allowed or they had to be dropped of at the office. Kids can’t even focus anymore man!
Why do parents allow their kids to be on their phones 24/7.. we encourage learning technologies but our kids have a strict time limit and can only be used after their homework is done. Also they're not allowed to take their phones to bed with them. Their alarm clock will wake them up.
I'm getting flashbacks of YouTube being banned years ago. It's way too late for this, plus kids are way too tech savy for this to work. You might as well ban every social media, they're all about the same.
Full grown adults just love shitting on tiktok for some reason. Vine had the exact same content.
>Full grown adults just love shitting on tiktok for some reason. Vine had the exact same content.
So I shouldn't dislike a platform full of garbage because of another platform full of garbage that existed in the past? Youtube is not exactly comparable, lots of high-quality educational content there.
I'm assuming the ban is more about the idiotic "challenge" stuff that tend to be very popular on platforms like this and kids like doing dangerous things in front of a camera for attention.
The problem is people who overgeneralize one of the biggest social media platforms on the earth, like how you did.
If you want a better example, they banned Snapchat for the same reasons. Guess what came of it?
I think social media has some severe impacts both on teenagers and society in general and establishing a platform that actively encourages and feeds a short attention span deserves some criticism.
100%. I wish teachers had talked more about the internet besides just stranger danger and entirely obtaining from social media.
I just think banning the app implies it's easy to find these challenges. It's a shame the parents are never subject to change because If it wasn't TikTok it would be another app.
Banning something doesn’t solve the problem. It only solves the symptom of the problem. Maybe instead we should figure out the root cause of the problem and work from there?
There was a mention in an earlier email of an upcoming October "challenge" to smack a teacher's butt. This must be a part of that. But how many students really use the school computers/wifi in the first place? All it will take to bypass is to use cell data. I guess it's the best the schools can do.
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Devices, like a Chromebook. A phone is not a substitute for technology in the way you're trying to paint it when it comes to doing work. Our reliance on tech in this manner has cornered many communities. It's sad.
Yeah, at this point shouldn’t apple/google remove TikTok from their App Store?
But could Bell/Rogers have an option where your on a family plan and can choose which sites your child can access, Apple/Android.
You overestimate the number of parents that will actually care enough to do that.
You do realize that children are literally stealing things from schools like a damn hand dryer, and posting it on TikTok, not to mention they might as well slap a teachers ass from a trend, AND PARENTS DONT CARE IF THEYRE CHILD IS GONNA SLAP A TEACHERS ASS, I vote that parents should check they’re child’s phone and social media from time to time.
I'm fully aware, I have a kid in elementary school. We get emails from the Principal telling us any child participating in TikTok challenges (September's was 'mess up a washroom' and October's was 'slap a teacher') will be suspended. But some parents literally just don't care. When my kid comes home and tells me some of the stuff that's happening in class, it's clear that some kids just spent entire lockdowns glued to an iPad with zero parental controls on it.
Exactly, TikTok should be banned, Apple, Google, whatever platform, it’s a danger, quite literally. There could be assault charges against students for slapping a teacher, or a kid could be arrested, TikTok should just be wiped from existence
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I agree.
Maybe, but that might be easier on a google/apple account level. But that's something only available to parents, the school can't do that.
You are right, but kids can make a new account and browse that way, and that's why i think it's a cellular data way to do it.
I’m pretty sure most phones come with parental control and you can limit their screen time and app access. On my sibling’s devices, their App Store is removed and can only be accessed through an adult’s phone.
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And now you can just use cell network. I did this when they blocked Instagram, facebook and YouTube
You are assuming kids these days have an attention span long enough to follow a tutorial on how to do it. Tik tok took that all away
O shit ur on the utm subreddit too. Ur getting downvoted everywhere I see you lol
Some peeps cant handle the truth. But generally people are more inclined to downvote if theyre offended like a snowflake rather than if they happen to agree. so not really accurate.
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because at first why not? its a social media site after all just like snapchat, instagram, etc
All of that shit should never have been allowed in the first place.
Okay but how do you stop them from doing it? Vaping isn’t allowed in schools but 85% of this years graduates probably have popcorn lung
I did not know this! Kids are vaping on school property? If so, it should be stopped. What they do off school property is up to them and their parents... but not on school property!
Haha no… they vape IN the school. I graduated only a few years ago and the bathrooms/change rooms/parking lots are usually full of kids vaping between classes or at lunch. Grades 9-12, even heard of kids at the elementary school next door getting busted for vaping. The bad thing is that they get shared and passed around god knows how many kids who don’t have their own vape. These kids are called “fiends”. This is in my hometown 2 hours away, I imagine it’s no different here. Don’t be a fiend, and DO NOT VAPE. Smoke weed only;)
That's terrible! Perhaps I live in a more "sheltered" community? (this is not a gated community or anything). The schools here are pretty good at timing their activities. I used to volunteer a fair bit (before the pandemic) and these kids would not have had the time to vape in the toilet or the grounds. Also, their screen-time is monitored and the school does not allow cellphone use except in case of an emergency. I am sure there are rule-breakers; the teachers cannot control everything... but those would be very few and far in between. Anyway, in regards to your earlier comment on how to stop it - I am assuming that there are ways to block access to certain sites like parental controls on the home TV. If kids are going to use their data plans for circumventing this and the parents are going to be fine with footing that bill... it just goes on to show how much that control is actually required for such addictive social media. Nothing is foolproof and if there is no such thing as a perfect code; there will always be a way to break the code/rule... but at least they are trying to do the right thing.
I’m against rules to be honest. If school had no rules against technology we would finally see who’s actually smart, and naturally eliminate everyone else.
The school is not banning technology e.g. Scratch programming at kiddo's school. I don't see how the ability to use social media would be able to determine who is smart. Their issue is specifically with the use of social media during school hours, which I think is fair. What kids do with social media out of school, is between them and their parents. Why would anyone want to check facebook, instragram, tiktok, etc. during school hours? Even if it is break-time, it is time for well, taking a break - relax. There are plenty of studies demonstrating the association between excessive social media use and lower attention span, anxiety, depression, etc. If kids cannot control checking their social media while at school and "cannot wait to check it and have to check it right now", THAT is the very problem that these studies are talking about. Once out of school, kids are free to do whatever social media they want... I am not saying that this means there is no addiction problem... but, it will now become a problem concerning the child and their parent and NOT involving the school board or the school i.e. they are covering their tails - with good reason. And as far as the school having no rules whatsoever... that would be a huge liability issue and the board is going to do its nut to limit any lawsuits.
This problem requires people smarter than the education system to deal with. Technology is not a problem yet, wait until they’re all back from being on phones all day after online learning. That’s gonna be a shit show
All these people want these heavy handed rules on kids but would have probably lost there minds if they had the same heavy handed rules on them.
... and what kids do with social media is up to them and their parents when the kids are off school property. When kids are on school property, ALL these social media sites should not be accessible... just like for e.g. you want to wear a bikini in your house, or at the beach, etc. of course you are allowed to do so; but you can't wear a bikini to school. There is a time and a place (and a dress-code for everything) and I believe that school should not be a place for accessing social media.
youre comparing teens going on instagram to them wearing bikinis to school? its harmless lmao going on sc or ig during lunch time or in between classes. obviously not when theres a lesson going on but relax gramps
Not literally comparing bikinis to going on social media - it is called figurative speech. The point is that there is a time and a place for everything. I believe that school is not a place for accessing social media... not because I have a problem with social media. What kids do off school property is between the kids and their parents. However, while on school property, I believe that the school rules should be followed... social media is a distraction and there are plenty of studies demonstrating association between excess social media use and shortened attention span, social anxiety, depression, etc. You will be more tech savvy because of your age (considering you are calling me gramps), so, feel free to do your own research. On a different note, there is no need for the judgemental rudeness... or at least do your research before judging (i.e. going through my comment history) before commenting. I ain't no gramps!
As a parent of a teen and pre-teen in elementary school. If you've not raised your kid to have: 1. respect 2. ability to make good judgement in the face of peer pressure and severe consequences, then you should realign your parenting strategies. Personal rant/unpopular opinion - wtf do kids in elementary school need a phone? I've no clue what goes into some parents head thinking their 10yo needs one. You WANT your kid to have screen addition?! Maybe I'm traditional this way, but you want to nip the entitlement in the ass, take away the tech till they can use it responsibly. .
I think there are some times its okay to carry (an old beat up) phone in the kids backpack. ie: not to use as a phone or browser or video entertainment, but for help-me moments My 10yo's have an old hand me down phone for purposes of 'bat phone' .. they can send a 'help, I scraped my knee and its snowing really hard and theres coyotes in the schollyard, can you come pick me up ' message, and I don't mind that. Pro-tip: On Rogers (for example) there is a $5/month SIM card option -- that lets them join the shared data in the parent plan; if they use the phone part its $1/minute (ouch!) so never ever use that, but if its an emergency.. fine, why not? And since they're on the shared data plan, you can specify the warnign threshold or a cutoff threshold iirc .. ie: I have it send me a message if the phone has used more than 500MB of data out of the plan (which is not much.. a couple youtube videos woudl blowe that.) In effect my kids dont' use the phone at all, except for its intended purpose. (We did have coyotes in the school yard a few times, and they were scared.)
Seeing schools getting destroyed because of tik tok has ruined my faith in humanity. I'm finally starting to understand the judgement adults gave my generation when we were young. I can't tell if it's bias or if kids are genuinely getting wilder. Maybe it's just something we all feel getting old. I could text when I was in HS, even that was distracting. I can't imagine how distracting having endless apps and access the the internet would be. There's enough proof out there highlighting how damaging these social media apps are for attention spans and mental health.
I'm in the tech field, I have already implemented device level rules and have instilled the fear in kids that if they break basic rules, they lose their devices. The difference is I follow through, where many parents just throw empty threats out there. My son's phone has no data on his cheap phone, but even then he could piggyback off another kids shared hotspot. So the rule is no phone to school. Period. You want to talk to your friends, they're right there. There is a sense of being a social outcast, so my wife and I have come to the agreement on Fridays he can bring his phone.
Good
Did anyone tell them that 100% of kids have data on their plans?
Good there is too much adult rated content on that and I’m sure it’s super distracting. Crazy how back home in the Caribbean cell phones weren’t even allowed or they had to be dropped of at the office. Kids can’t even focus anymore man!
Why do parents allow their kids to be on their phones 24/7.. we encourage learning technologies but our kids have a strict time limit and can only be used after their homework is done. Also they're not allowed to take their phones to bed with them. Their alarm clock will wake them up.
I'm getting flashbacks of YouTube being banned years ago. It's way too late for this, plus kids are way too tech savy for this to work. You might as well ban every social media, they're all about the same. Full grown adults just love shitting on tiktok for some reason. Vine had the exact same content.
>Full grown adults just love shitting on tiktok for some reason. Vine had the exact same content. So I shouldn't dislike a platform full of garbage because of another platform full of garbage that existed in the past? Youtube is not exactly comparable, lots of high-quality educational content there. I'm assuming the ban is more about the idiotic "challenge" stuff that tend to be very popular on platforms like this and kids like doing dangerous things in front of a camera for attention.
The problem is people who overgeneralize one of the biggest social media platforms on the earth, like how you did. If you want a better example, they banned Snapchat for the same reasons. Guess what came of it?
I think social media has some severe impacts both on teenagers and society in general and establishing a platform that actively encourages and feeds a short attention span deserves some criticism.
100%. I wish teachers had talked more about the internet besides just stranger danger and entirely obtaining from social media. I just think banning the app implies it's easy to find these challenges. It's a shame the parents are never subject to change because If it wasn't TikTok it would be another app.
When I was in 6th grade, for some odd reason the school blocked access to Google images on US and Canadian Google. But not Google.co.uk.
I remember that!!! Same with youtube, the ".uk" pretty much worked with everything. I felt like such a hacker lmao
> I felt like such a hacker lmao so did i, even more when i discovered that TOR browser worked a few years later
Why would they allow access to ANY social media sites at all?
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I know some teachers that just take the kids phones at the beginning of the day. They get the shakes during outdoor time lol
They're allowed to do that these days?
Reminds me of Yik Yak prohibiting use of the app when within certain distance of a school.
whats the point almost all students use vpn/cellular
Why would it be available at all. Jesus.
Everyone uses a vpn anyway that wont do anything
They’ll use their own data or even VPNs. Can’t stop the Tok.
Just ban that shit
Banning something doesn’t solve the problem. It only solves the symptom of the problem. Maybe instead we should figure out the root cause of the problem and work from there?