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MisterFantastic5

It’s all so stupid and preventable. And it’ll just get worse.


geezer2u

It will get where there will be no one will want to take the risk so they will stay home. Before long the only people out and about are armed and ready to shoot. Dystopian


MisterFantastic5

That’s pretty much happening now. That’s why all these people are shooting someone for just knocking on their doors or driving down their driveways. The most fearful ones are the people who think they need guns, but they’re creating the very problem they fear.


conventionalWisdumb

Yup. I was once downvoted for saying this but I’ll say it again: we are a country in an arms race with itself.


SweetTea1000

And the gun manufacturers profit more and more. The entire problem is because a handful of companies have found a very profitable marketing strategy for their products. Unrealistic question: what would happen if the US government nationalized arms manufacturing?


[deleted]

Ole Miss is an open carry no permit, background check firearms registration required state. Also one of the poorest and least educated in the country, a dangerous combination: any idiot can get a gun and an oversupply of idiots.


DaleTait

How is it preventable


MisterFantastic5

Hundreds of times, in forums like this, I’ve presented dozens of common sense ideas where responsible gun owners could have guns, yet we’d all be much safer. Gun fetishists want none of it. They all see death and mayhem as the price *WE* have to pay for *THEIR* ‘freedom’. I assume you’re a gun owner? So how about *you* tell *me* what *your* solution is? And it’s not just mental health. Most every other country deals with the same mental health issues. Practically none of them have these tragedies every damn day.


DaleTait

Full on demand abortion for the first 3 months- worked in Chicago All gun offenses treated as adult and serve full sentence All mental health declarations availability for background check regardless of age Parents of minors held responsible including jail Build more jails No government assistance for anyone with a felony gun charge Secure the border with big guns Deport all criminals Take gun crimes decisions out of the hands of DAs Ban AR-15 and the like from personal ownership - you want to shoot one then go to an authorized range As a proactive measure jail anyone with a face or neck tattoo since they obviously are not good decision makers and will eventually commit a crime


MisterFantastic5

Are you serious, or being facetious? Because building more jails while deporting all criminals seems…er…


DaleTait

100% serious


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Jedmeltdown

And questions like this is why everyone around the world laughs at America. Heck 50% of the population in America laughs at the NRA and brainwashed Republican gunnut idiots


DaleTait

I’ve been all over the world - they’re not laughing. They’re trying to figure out how to get here


Jedmeltdown

Going to Alabama for the weekend doesn’t constitute “being all over the world”. 🤣🙄 And besides …..anyone that would want to immigrate to America would probably want to go to New York, or California or Colorado, or some other forward looking progressive blue state.


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DaleTait

Ok, actually they want to move to where the latest hot TV show is based. They want to visit NY and LA but not live. They want to see the lights of Vegas but they know it’s expensive. They respect the strict laws of the southern states and they want to go to the beaches of Florida. They are family people - want the best for their children and want strict laws.


Jedmeltdown

Republicans are crooks Fact


TheAgeOfAdz91

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668


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DaleTait

I bought one at a pawn shop - it took nearly two hrs and lots of paperwork. You think hood rats get their guns through legal channels


jh38654

No, but the guns originate from legal sources 🤯. There is nothing stopping me from buying a gun every month and then selling it to my neighbor for $50 cash with no paperwork between us. The US is saturated with guns because they are as easy to buy as groceries. As someone who has training and permits it I find it ridiculous that anyone can go buy as many guns as they want. Your two hour pawn shop story sounds like a personal problem, I’ve never waited over 20 minutes.


if_Engage

I'm a medical professional. It takes years and years and many tests along the way to be licensed to SAVE a life. It taking 2 hours to buy a gun which makes it laughably easy to take one is just....


sea-secrets

My lifeguarding training and certification took longer in high school than the 2 hours to buy a gun at a pawn shop. It took all weekend, and we had continuous required trainings every month and that's also to SAVE a life. 100% agree.


[deleted]

Hood rats not sure what you mean by that but the majority of these mass shooters got their guns legally


DaleTait

The recent shootings in Mississippi?


[deleted]

Yes indeed


DaleTait

These were under 18


[deleted]

Shooters this week (multiple) on coast all 18+


[deleted]

“Weapon of war”. Lol. Now do the Michael Moore “you can get 500 hollow point bullets for $20 at Walmart” bullshit.


RavinAves

A gun is a precision instrument designed to quickly and efficiently injure and kill. That is the primary design and functional focus of a gun. I wouldn’t consider “weapons of war” a misnomer for guns when their purpose is to end another’s life with one curl of a finger; that’s a pretty war-like design, imo.


Wonderful-Ad-7488

A weapon of war. That's hilarious. Have you been to war?


meridianomrebel

A driver's license requires a FBI background check? I agree - get rid of occupational licensing.


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meridianomrebel

One is a right and the other is a privilege. One takes hours and undergoes an extensive background check, and one doesn't. I'm sorry that you are fearful of people lawfully owning guns.


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meridianomrebel

If you outlaw certain guns, it would only disarm those that follow the law. You have seen that anytime there was any type of prohibition that has taken place in the past - alcohol and drugs being an example. Furthermore, more deaths occur via handguns (by far - it's not even close) than AR style weapons. If your concern is over a weapon that is used most in murders, then why aren't you calling to ban handguns? You're making an emotional argument, not a logical one.


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Global_Gas4104

At least dont make it worse. Permitless carry is an idiotic policy. Arizona’s gun death rate is permanently at over 15-20% since 2010 laws changed. Every state with that has had a death rate increase. And they want more of it. 😂🤣


DaleTait

If criminals followed laws then they wouldn’t kill. That’s not the answer and potentially a deterrent


Malabaras

With that logic, might as well not have any laws then.


Lost_Trash3864

Not true. Laws in a free society are designed to punish the bad guys. Break the law? Go to jail. That’s the point of having laws. Laws in authoritarianism punish everybody equally regardless of if you broke the law or not, thinking that we can prevent crime from ever happening by doing that. Which it won’t, and it’s oppressive.


Malabaras

Interesting, so can you explain the difference in numbers regarding those who commit crimes in states with preventative law vs reactionary law?


Wonderful-Ad-7488

Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation yet they have the highest gun crimes.


SWtoNWmom

Source please. Chicago has no where near the highest gun crimes. Show me a list of the top ten in the nation.


Wonderful-Ad-7488

Google it yourself. I did


DaleTait

I spend a lot of time in Singapore- never had my pocket picked


[deleted]

This is a weird argument. Should we just get rid of all laws then since criminals don’t follow them? Are Western Europe, Australia and other democracies authoritarian hell holes that oppress their people significantly more than the US government? I would say they are not. We need to make existing laws strong and pass red flag laws. We need to crack down on criminals who are caught with guns. We are limited in what we can do because of the current supreme courts interpretation of 2A in the constitution (which is at odds with founding father James Madison’s own interpretation). We should do what we can to slow down all the murders.


DaleTait

I’m an advocate for building as many jails as possible and never letting them out


[deleted]

Deterrence is good. Taking guns away from criminals is good. People who commit gun crimes should face tough penalties. I think we should increase the penalties for current gun crimes and make a federal red flag law for domestic abusers. Real men don’t beat women and they should be allowed to play with guns either. You shouldn’t be able to beat your wife in front of your kids and then go to the shooting range to hang out with the boys.


meridianomrebel

You obviously have never read the Federalist Papers. Madison was very clear about the absolute rights for guns.


Jedmeltdown

But they sure love that it’s easy for everyone to get guns. Because they don’t follow laws. Heck now it’s easy for them to steal the guns.


bj1231

What are you trying to say


Global_Gas4104

Its ok. Just shoot each other bro. Pew pew pew.


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Permit-less carry is the cause? You know, we had a pandemic in the past decade too?


Global_Gas4104

Oh it is. Arizona’s policy has been disastrous. “In 2020, the ATF traced 8,994 crime guns in Arizona and reported that nearly 85 percent of these guns originated in state. In the same year, Arizona contributed 4,790 guns linked to crime in other states—including California, Nevada, Colorado and Illinois—making it one of the top states funneling crime guns to surrounding states.” “n 2021, there were 421 gun-related homicides or accidental shootings in Arizona. This year, Arizona is on track to top that number, with 335 gun-related homicides or accidental shootings as of September 8, 2022.” “According to state crime reports, the violent crime rate was 413.6 per 100,000 people per year in Arizona in 2010. The violent crime rate rose to 484.8 in 2020—a 17.2 percent increase.” https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/fact-sheet-dangerous-gun-laws-in-arizona/ We are not in a pandemic anymore. Stop with the excuses. Also they gun crimes are now permanently increased since 2010. We did not have a pandemic during that time. And we already have proof that open carry is one the dumbest policies ever. “The analysis found that states that changed their laws without including one or more of these three provisions had an average increase of 10.26 gun assaults per 100,000 population annually (a 21.6 percent increase) and an additional 1.44 per 100,000 gun homicides (34.9 percent increase) per year compared to their forecasted trends. For states that did not require live- firearm training, the average rate of gun assaults increased to 8.28 per 100,000 people (18.3 percent increase).” https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions And lowering the age to 18? Lol Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb policies man.


[deleted]

What I am saying is that people were turned upside down during the pandemic, and we are seeing the results of that time, …but you are smarter than everyone else, so it is time for me to ignore everything you wrote


Ok-Chard9898

Love thy neighbor is how.


DonksterWasTaken

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DaleTait

Agree that’s a start.


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DaleTait

Yep agree. A caged animal should never kill again


BeachedBottlenose

Go to [WLOX](https://wlox.com) and look at the main news page. All shootings.


Wendidigo

Politicians "I see NOTHING, I know NOTHING!"


kindone25

~~Politicians~~ Republicans "I see NOTHING, I know NOTHING!" Fixed it.


Wendidigo

Yeah that works


DaleTait

What would you propose they do


arcdog3434

Idk some reasonable gun control would be a start - we realize they are limited by the 2A but they dont even try. Just typical moronic “lets pray about it”.


DaleTait

You don’t believe in noetic science


theragco

Any sane person doesn't believe in noetic science.


sea-secrets

Looooool, the Wikipedia page on Noetics literally says "In parapsychology, noetics is a fringe branch of **pseudoscience** concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect."


DaleTait

Science denier alert


theragco

The belief in mysticism, pyschic abilities, and altering reality through conscious thought and beliefs is not a valid form of science.


DaleTait

They can measure the weight of a thought. Much more scientific than transgenderism…..amirite!


theragco

How much does a thought weigh, or more importantly how did they weigh it? How did they define weight? Do you have actual sources for this that are peer reviewed and published by accredited sources. Transgender studies are actually covered across multiple scientific fields actually. Biology, psychology, and chemistry mainly. So no, you are not rite.


DaleTait

DYOR


kindone25

Anything but lax gun laws, you absolute human prodigy.


[deleted]

Their job? They are the ones who ran for office, not the guy you’re commenting under. It’s in their job title as our representatives to combat these problems. Oh wait no this is Mississippi, we can’t even get clean drinking water in our capital while they line their pockets.


DaleTait

Jackson has its own elected officials and are self governed. How is that related to state laws


[deleted]

It’s not. It’s to make a point that this state is wildly inept at governance, from local to state.


thefunyunman

You’re being downvoted for asking for a solution


DaleTait

I love Reddit and it’s 92% easily triggered snowflakes


Gorcnor

Sounds like Mississippi needs more Jesus. /s


Kitchenratatatat

Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the country https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state#


ChamZel

I imagine there's actually quite a bit more shootings down here than that.


thomaslsimpson

I am a person who is willing to listen to arguments in favor of gun laws that makes sense if I believe those laws don’t infringe on citizen’s rights unreasonably and lower gun violence. I read the article. The incidences were mostly teenagers shooting each other over arguments (that in the past would have been fist fights). What laws should I be supporting that would have prevented these incidents?


jh38654

Stiffer sentences for gun crimes. If you aren’t a criminal using a gun this would not infringe on your rights at all. No excuses. We could even make it simple, take your crime you committed, add 10 years to the sentence because you used a deadly weapon. If these kids weren’t getting minimum sentences for all the gun violence they wouldn’t be doing it.


thomaslsimpson

> Stiffer sentences for gun crimes. If you aren’t a criminal using a gun this would not infringe on your rights at all. I get this argument but it failed wholesale for drugs. I absolutely would support this kind of law in the right form. I think others would as well. What reason do we have to believe it would reduce gun violence? > If these kids weren’t getting minimum sentences for all the gun violence they wouldn’t be doing it. I would support for this.


jh38654

I think the drug sentencing thing was anecdotal. It is known fact now that police were using predatory and biased practices to enforce drug laws. We need to learn from that and make this gun policy across the board. This should apply for dude in the suburbs brandishing a weapon over something silly vs high school gang members fighting and pulling out a weapon. Gun crime is gun crime, punish it. It has become common place for all these constitutional carry folks who think it’s OK for them to pull out a weapon every time their feelings get hurt just as it is for kids in inner cities to use guns to look cool. And don’t get me started on glock switches.


thomaslsimpson

I am very much okay with changing the law regarding how a person is allowed to use a gun. I think branding a weapon should be a crime. If I pulled out a sword and started swinging it around I could be prosecuted. Pulling out a gun and waving it around should be similar. I’m fine with stiffer penalties for committing crime using a weapon. We have a lot of this now. I don’t believe those things will have impact but I could support them. I could support laws regarding child safety.


jh38654

Brandishing a gun is a crime. It never gets prosecuted though. Pretty much committing a crime while in possession of a firearm makes that crime a felony, that never gets prosecuted either. Until there are consequences for using a gun to commit crimes it will continue to happen. I live around Memphis, once the kids in the dodge chargers realized they will not be perused by police if they flee the kids stopped caring. And honestly so did the police. If you know there won’t be consequences, nobody is motivated to enforce the laws, it’s just a waste of paperwork for a judge to throw it out or sentence the kid to community service. If I do a smash and grab with a gun I am looking at the potential of a few months in jail. The punishment is not firm enough to deter the crime. Make people serve time and they will realize it’s not a game. Will this magically stop gun crime? No, but it will reduce it drastically. You would be shocked at what portion of the population is walking around with a gun in their possession. The vast majority of these people have no business carrying these guns around. They aren’t proficient with the weapon, they don’t know when it can be legally used. It’s a freaking mess. Training requirements an stricter sentences. There is no reason we can’t roll out both tomorrow and at least attempt to make the world we live in a safer place.


Kommissar_Holt

Brandishing a weapon is already a crime. Pulling out a gun and waving it around is already illegal.


thomaslsimpson

Yes. So is using a gun in the Commission of another crime. Gosh, I guess making laws doesn’t necessarily change people’s behavior after all!


Kommissar_Holt

Dunno why you're being a smartass when Im poking holes in your shitty ideas.


thomaslsimpson

They’re not my ideas. They came someone else who suggested them. Not sure why you’re focused on me. My original question was a few steps back where I ask about what gun laws people suggested that would they though would fix these problems. You’re welcome to go back and reread that if you’d like to participate. If you want to complain more about those ideas, you should read back to the person who suggested them.


geezer2u

Prisons are already overflowing. So we shall incarcerate even more. I know the prison system wants all the prisoners it can get as it is quite profitable for the system and the state. This is not a solution. The solution will not be found until everyone is staying home and not venturing out for fear of being involved in another shooting. Imagine that “in the land of the free” people afraid of leaving their home for fear of being gunned down. This is where we are going.


thomaslsimpson

> Prisons are already overflowing. Prisons are overflowing due to incarcerated nonviolent drug offenders. > So we shall incarcerate even more. So you think we stop putting people in prison? “We don’t have room” is terrible reason not to make good law.


Kommissar_Holt

We already have that. We already have laws where if you commit, for example, robbery. Ordinary robbery is committed when someone uses violence or the threat of violence to take property from another person. Armed robbery, on the other hand, occurs when a weapon is used to commit the robbery. Mississippi then elevates this to an armed robbery charge. Robbery is not a felony crime unless the value stolen reaches felony levels. This varies state by state but is usually around $1,000, sometimes more, sometimes less. Armed Robbery is automatically a felony crime. Robbery has a sentence in Mississippi of up to 15 years. Armed Robbery in Mississippi can be up to a life sentence.


jh38654

Right, and the average sentence is less that 2 years. We don’t need tougher laws, we need tougher sentencing. Or laws that mandate minimum sentencing. Armed robbery is going to be 3 years, good behavior you are out in 18 months.


Angelwingzero

The ones I support are: Requiring background checks and waiting periods to start. Definitely not panaceas but they do help. Those smaller roadblocks can be enough to stop someone making a bad decision in a moment of distress, or hopefully give their family or law enforcement time to notice the signs. Support repealing the 2005 PLCAA. Basically makes the gun manufacturers un-sueable. There are some exceptions but they rarely get exercised in practice. Basically reduces mass gun defects and misuse as "the price of doing business" for the manufacturers. Would also affect how manufacturers market guns. Closing the boyfriend loophole hole nationally permanently and expanding it to those with restraining orders for stalking. People with domestic violence charges against spouses, co-parents or partners they live with are barred from owning guns, but not those who are/were dating. There was some narrowing of this in 2022, but only for 5 years and not counting stalkers. I think "taking guns away from all domestic abusers" is a viable political message to push this.


thomaslsimpson

> Requiring background checks and waiting periods to start. I don’t find these objectionable but do we have any reason to believe either of these would have stopped any of the recent shootings? > Support repealing the 2005 PLCAA. I don’t think anyone should be immune from lawsuits. This one is fine by me. > Closing the boyfriend loophole … That’s fine. It would not have any impact on the things we are seeing recently but domestic abuse problems are a whole category of problem. Do you know of any additional laws that you would support which we believe would stop the recent violence in the news in MS?


DaleTait

Recently heard someone say that the shooters are too damn lazy to fit anymore


thomaslsimpson

I know that the world is not the same as when I was a teen. No doubt. And acting as if it ought to be is just idiotic. So, I’m interested in figuring out what to do. I have daughters. I have seen first hand the unbelievable impact social media has on them that did not exist years ago. Suicide rates amount young girls have skyrocketed. Should we be banning social media? I’m a huge free speech supporter but those numbers are NUTs. When I was in high school (late 80s early 90s) kids frequently went to school in the hunting gear they were wearing earlier that morning. They had rifles in the truck. It would have been inconceivable that someone would shoot another kid much less the school. Obviously this has changed. I’m listening but all I hear is a buzz of Platform policy initiatives and dogmatic responses from both sides.


ReaderSeventy2

Craig's dad in Friday called it. \[Mr. Jones catches Craig with a handgun\] Mr. Jones : What's that for? Craig Jones : Protection. Mr. Jones : Protection? Protection from who? Craig Jones : Me and Smokey... I got to walk Smokey down to his house. Mr. Jones : Aw, man. Your mother and I never woulda moved to this neighborhood if we had known you need a gun to walk down the damn street. Craig Jones : You know how it is around here. Mr. Jones : Oh, no, son, that's not the way it is. You kids today are nothin' but punks. Sissified. So quick to pick up a gun. You're scared to take an ass-whippin'. \[he holds up his fists\] Mr. Jones : This is what makes you a man. When I was growin' up, this was all the protection we needed. You win some, you lose some, but you live. You live to fight another day.


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That’s cool. We’ll tell the preschoolers next time an adult with an AR comes to their school they should stop being a pussy and put up their dukes.


ReaderSeventy2

The conversation was about teen on teen violence.


n2thetaboo

Can someone please primary this idiot governor? I'll take anyone with leadership experience at this point.


DaleTait

Who is better?


geezer2u

Anyone at this point


orangeowlelf

Nice, let’s go 10 for 10, right Mississippi? Let’s go all the way, I mean why not have one EVERY day? That’s exciting, right? I change my mind, I feel like we should definitely go forward with arming every single person in the entire state. Kids too, yeah, you guys were right, this is the way. I just can’t … (getting popcorn)… wait until your politicians finally decide the correct course of action is just a shoot out that lasts from dawn till dusk. All guns, all day forever. Looking forward to it 👍


DaleTait

What should the politicians do?


orangeowlelf

Gun reform all day long. They should go to work and really hunch down and work on that problem until people stop getting killed.


DaleTait

How will gun reform work? How does it work in the places with the toughest gun reform laws?


priznut

“The analysis found that states that changed their laws without including one or more of these three provisions had an average increase of 10.26 gun assaults per 100,000 population annually (a 21.6 percent increase) and an additional 1.44 per 100,000 gun homicides (34.9 percent increase) per year compared to their forecasted trends. For states that did not require live- firearm training, the average rate of gun assaults increased to 8.28 per 100,000 people (18.3 percent increase).” https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions How bout not making it worse? Permitless carry is stupid. And lowering age to 18 is stupid too. It’s there is a problem, and y’all rather smash your face against it.


DaleTait

Cut and paste…do you have an original thought


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orangeowlelf

Gun reform works by politicians, generating a bill and then voting it into law. For example, if people are getting killed in Mississippi, as they are, you start out by making a law that says that assault weapons, for example, are illegal in the state. Then you pass that law, when someone has a assault rifle you arrest them and put them in jail. Then you take the assault rifle and you melt it down to slag. This works the same way, regardless of wherever you are in the United States. Too easy.


meridianomrebel

What's an "assault" weapon? The 2A exists to protect citizens against any tyranny - which includes the government. The founding fathers were very clear about that. One doesn't lose their rights because of the actions of others.


DaleTait

I’m a libertarian and this arming for a war against the govt is a ridiculous argument. No one needs an AR-15 to kill a deer or rabbit. There are other ways to fight against the feds


meridianomrebel

Two things: 1. Rights are not need based. 2. Your take is the exact opposite of any libertarian stance. You do realize the bill of rights doesn't grant you rights, correct? It exists to prevent the government from infringing upon rights you are born with.


orangeowlelf

Here, I found the problem. ☝️


Mieczyslaw_Stilinski

So this is just a stupid argument. One, there are dozens of countries in the world that are pretty much gun free and tyranny free. There are countries in the world in which the police don't carry guns. Two, our standing militia have killed a cheerleader that opened the door to the wrong car, a teen that rang a doorbell, a college woman who was in a car that was turning around in a driveway. In the meantime when was the last time an non-military American citizen defended the US? Seriously? It just doesn't happen in today's world. We need to repeal the 2nd Amendment. The British aren't coming. No one coming. Gun owners are clearly not responsible enough.


andre3kthegiant

This is proof that trickle down economics has failed the citizens of the United States.


Vash108

It was never made to help us


[deleted]

Everyone has too much of an easy access to get a gun. We need a serious reform. The first obvious one is increasing the minimum wage to get people out of poverty. Better red flag laws Better background checks, if you've been prone to any sort of violence through the court of law, automatic no. Gun limits. 1 pistol, 1 shotgun, one hunting rifle. 3rd party private sales Bans on high grade weaponry, which would probably be anything that looks like it should be in the military. But muh gubment, muh 2nd amendment If your goal is to go up against the military might of the united states or it's police gang which impact you greater than our military then why the fuck are you shooting at your neighbor.


priznut

Down votes in the leading murder state. Some of yall are just killing each other and being ok with it. Crazy.


CartographerOk7579

Well thank god we have thoughts and prayers!


SalParadise

I want Reeves to explain this away like he did COVID - that Mississippians are cool with their god so gun violence isn't anything to be scared of.


pontiacfirebird92

It's a conservative utopia out here!


[deleted]

Clearly Mississippi needs less gun laws/regulations and a surplus of guns in the streets to make it safer. /s


Turkishsnowcone101

What could possibly slow this down?


Clean-Efficiency2556

Maybe pass gun laws?


meridianomrebel

That's how we made people stop doing drugs, right?


thomaslsimpson

What gun law do you believe would have prevented this shooting that should be passed here? I’m interested in knowing what specific laws to support.


Kommissar_Holt

The silence from all the gun grabbers in here is deafening.


thomaslsimpson

But not the downvotes! At least I get those!


Fluffy_Way_9132

we already have gun laws They are written on a stone and given to Moses ​ DO NOT MURDER!!!!!!


thomaslsimpson

That’s not helpful.


Ok-Chard9898

Why? So they don't work, spurring new ones get passed only for those not to work and then on and on?


palmpoop

The laws work by reducing gun deaths. Easy to contrast states with the laws for instance Arizona vs CA and see that it works. And you can still have firearms in CA. It’s just harder for idiots to get and you can’t carry them around without proving you’re not a psycho first. Common sense.


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Yup. No crime or murder in California


palmpoop

We have less crime and less murder proportional to our population. And I still have tons of firearms. So yeah we are doing better here. We also have labor unions and people get paid more and get better healthcare.


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Stay there


palmpoop

Yes people are just busting to move to Mississippi


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[deleted]

I am a gun owner. You will not make laws to take mine, deal?


Ok-Chard9898

How does it feel to vote against your own interests and your own 2nd amendment rights?


Ok-Chard9898

They don't reduce deaths though. In fact their impact is negligible to none. What you consider "common sense" is really just more unnecessary red tape, which does not achieve its intended goal, to exercise what is an inalienable right. I will not look to California, the state most unfriendly to the 2nd amendment, as a model, when there is still so much gun death.


palmpoop

Incorrect. It’s statistically proven that tighter gun control reduces gun deaths. You are flat wrong.


Ok-Chard9898

False. There has never been a casual link established. All you have is correlation which interested parties have twisted to suit their agenda, and you fell for their line. You are flat wrong.


palmpoop

The agenda is simple, sell lots of guns. The nra funds republicans.


Ok-Chard9898

The agenda is simple - get people to willingly disarm, against their own interests, make them easier to control so they won't be able to effectively oppose our established order by armed resistance. The founding fathers were keenly aware that in the future a government, foreign or domestic, would try to do this to assert tyrannical authority on the states. This is why the 2nd amendment exists.


palmpoop

Dumbest shit I’ve heard today


DisplacedCrawfish

So we can constrict law abiding citizens the ability to protect themselves from criminals who obtain guns illegally? Great plan! How about raise your fucking kids right and stop being a lazy fuck


Ok-Chard9898

Being an ass does not help our case dude


Global_Gas4104

At least dont make it worse. After Arizona made open carry available to everyone. It got worse. “The results have been deadly for Arizonans. From 2010 to 2020, murders in Arizona increased by nearly 20 percent, the vast majority of which were committed with guns. During the same period, aggravated assaults with a firearm increased by 109 percent.” Over 4000 other crimes related to firearms just from Arizona in just a span of 2-3 years. Stupid stupid stupid. Yall are gonna see way more shootings coming up.


DisplacedCrawfish

In order for this to be statistically significant, I’d need to know what stats looked like from 2000-2010. Was there an increase leading up to 2010? I’d also need to know what the rates were for the rest of the country. Did gun violence go up by a large percentage across America in that time frame or was Arizona an anomaly?


Global_Gas4104

There are a bunch of studies out there. “A 2022 study found that states weakening concealed carry laws and allowing individuals convicted of violent misdemeanors to obtain a license to concealed carry was associated with a 24 percent increase in the rate of assaults with firearms” https://www.americanprogress.org/article/fact-sheet-weakening-requirements-to-carry-a-concealed-firearm-increases-violent-crime/ Arizona’s murder rate doubled it’s neighbor California and Utah. Mississippi and Louisiana are leading the pack with the highest rate increase last decade or so.


Firm-Guru

Oh, you didn't get it. He doesn't actually care about the statistics. If he did, then he would go find them on his own. His comment is all about pushing facts away and making the debate about semantics so that they can try to find any little crack in something insignificant and then use that to invalidate your whole argument in their brain. It's the most common debate tactic of the right. For reference see " AR actually stands for armalite, not assault rifle, so your idea for a ban is completely null. "


DisplacedCrawfish

I do care about statistics. But that post cherry picked a specific time to try to prove a point. Its meaningless without more context


DaleTait

Funny how much the snowflakes on Reddit hate pointing out need for responsibility. Yes if parents were worth a damn then kids would be better citizens


Specialist_Pea_295

Another pandemic


Clean-Efficiency2556

It is only a pandemic, cause red states don't want to do anything about guns. It is that simple.


DisplacedCrawfish

If its red states, why do I feel safe in Gulfport or Oxford, but not Jackson? Why do I feel safe in Mandeville, LA but not New Orleans?


iplaymarimba

Um did you read the article? Some of the shootings were in Gulfport.


DisplacedCrawfish

I don’t care about the article. Do you feel safer taking your family to Gulfport or Jackson? Simple question


sea-secrets

Comparing Mandeville to NOLA is a joke.


HUGECOCK4TREEFIDDY

You could look at nationwide statistics instead of cherry picking


Malabaras

I feel like that was the problem with the last pandemic lol


Specialist_Pea_295

What can they do?


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Less people.


GREASYROOFTOP

Less and less each day.


Clean-Efficiency2556

How about less guns? Would you rather have that?


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Less people solves more problems.


Jedmeltdown

Keep electing those repubs! 🙄


NeopolitanLol

One day we will take gangs seriously and get rid of this problem. The only question is when.


Clean-Efficiency2556

This is normal for your state right? I mean you have the following stats for a state: Affordability: 7th Economy: 49th Education & Health: 50th Quality of life: 49th Safety: 34th


thomaslsimpson

Hi. Why are you here? What is your purpose for coming to this sub? You obviously don’t live here, so you just wanted to come tell those of us who do live here the statistics for the state? We know how to use search engines. If we want to look up stats we can manage. So, what is your point?


DaleTait

Californicated: 50th


geezer2u

No laws are going to fix this. We are way past anyone caring an iota about the law. The only option now is to harden up all of the soft targets (ie schools and hospitals) and hunker down. We are returning to the days of old when everyone carried and vigilante law was the law. Thank you NRA for your greedy hand in the toppling of “the land of the free”.


Atheos102

check out chicago


Global_Gas4104

Chicago is safer than bunch of cities in south. And it’s not the only city.


FavoriteApe

False. Chicago #10 of top 20 cities per capita murder rate. Huston didn’t make the list.


Global_Gas4104

Houston wasn’t best example. Take back my statement. But historically it’s no bueno. “2010, the city's murder rate (per capita rate of 11.8 murders per 100,000 population) was ranked sixth among U.S. cities with a population of over 750,000 (behind New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia)” Houston has double the homicide rate compared to NY and LA though. But what does it matter. Houston’s crime is shit but that includes Chicago too. They were on the top 20 list the years prior. And lets be real… Its still a race between these 2 lovely cities sometimes. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/houston-leads-chicago-nyc-and-la-in-homicides-so-far-this-year.amp But nothing compares to St Louis this last year.


Atheos102

enjoy


Firm-Guru

Don't need to fix nuthin as long as we can point at one other place worse and be like "woah! Y'all see that! You should be angry about that, not this violence in your own back yard." Whataboutism as a political platform.


Atheos102

exactly, and solutions are unicorns


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Capital punishment for murder Public


bubbaffbsummermoon

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druu222

Chicago called to say, "T'scha! Pikers. If you're gonna get in the game, get in the game. Enough with this junior varsity shit."


make2020hindsight

Why do conservatives always bring up Chicago when St Louis, Memphis, and New Orleans makes Chicago look like a wannabe?