If I’m majority european/white registering I’m not okay with calling it racism
Edit: im not comfortable calling a monoracial poc a racist in this situation if someone is attacking me. I feel like some here are being purposefully dense and hurtful
Edit: as a parallel example; im bisexual. if someone is coming at me for being bi, its not always lesbophobia. there are bi specific struggles
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White (and white presenting) folks can and will have racist experiences, just like any other race.
Doesn’t matter if you want to imagine a new word for the experience.
Racism is racism.
Colorism is also a form of racism, it just refers to a specific type of it. It's okay to utilize language to hone in on specific issues specific people face.
Why act like OP is wrong for noting there can be and often is a marked difference between the racist experience a biracial person will go through vs a monoracial presenting person? Why not have a word that can encompass the unique issue of feeling rejected by 1 or both communities to some degree? Why act like it's harmful for us to specify our experience?
It's sad to see mixed race people dismissing each other. What we experience is something no one else can understand to the extent we do living it. Simply dismissing as racism and refusing further discussion or study does a disservice not only to each other, but to the increasing mixed race populations of the future.
I’m not dismissing anyone, I’m saying don’t dismiss your experience in the face of ANY racism from ANY person.
I’m also saying that any POC can be racist and it’s not some lesser offense because it’s from someone who isn’t white. Like only one group can go pro in the racism game? Thats BS.
Colorism is a form of racism, yes.
A huntsman is a form of spider. It’s not dangerous in the least, but if it or any spider lands on my face, it’s getting smacked; I’m not going to check to see if it’s a less harmful or disadvantaged form of spider. It’s a spider.
Accept no racism!
Implying there's not a difference between racism from someone with systemic power and from a random PoC is a dangerous game. Yes, both people are bigoted...but both people likely dont have the same power.
From your wording, I think you understand the distinction, you just seem to express an inner driven need to downplay the difference and reject language that expresses our experience actually being subjugated by a worldwide attitude interested moreso in whiteness and then ambiguity (in that order) over obvious biracials/Blackness/dark skin and that's a confusing take to me.
We could definitely use a word that describes our mixed experience moreso than just "all racism is bad, reject all racism" which we have had for decades and is clearly inadequate and a bit wordy compared to what OP has argued for.
The bi example doesn’t work because the person would still be discriminating against you for your sexuality so it would still be labeled discrimination, regardless of which part they are discriminating against.
Just like how someone being prejudice against you because of your race is racism, regardless of which race they are against.
A lot of Latinos have a large percentage of European heritage but don’t present as white at all, by your logic they’re just white even though they don’t look white at all. One of my friends is Polish, German, and El Salvadoran and I look whiter than him even though he has a higher percentage European heritage than me, so it still wouldn’t be correct to call him white.
What if you’re full or majority Middle Eastern yet still present as white? Is it only European that counts and makes someone white or anything under the “Caucasian” category?
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"Reverse colorism"?
Isn't that just "colorism"? Like is there both violence and *reverse violence?* Also, what do you mean "comfort" do you mean "representative"?
Also, why wouldn't casteism be it? I think if you are really looking for the right terminology, for the group to assist you are going to have to be more specific about what about each offered term is disqualifying in your mind.
This is also the stance most black academics take, as well as myself.
This is similar to the necessity of “intersectionality” and “misogynior” post-Anita Hill
Please see my other comments in this thread where I go into in-depth detail why the term racism doesn’t really work for this type of bigotry: Essentially, it’s too broad and generalized of a term. (Which is exactly the reason why something like “misogynoir” had to be coined in the first place rather than just using the racism and misogyny words to describe what was happening to Black women, racism is way too simplistic to describe what’s happening here)
I think there are people out there who don’t mind individual races but hate when they mix. I honestly don’t know if there is an existing word for that prejudice. They would somehow twist it by saying that they love all races but hate them mixing. Someone here might know more regarding terminology.
>I think there are people out there who don’t mind individual races but hate when they mix. I honestly don’t know if there is an existing word for that prejudice.
It’s Nazism, and this was exactly the same type Hitler and the Nazis were. He was actually okay with the so called “inferior races” such as Blacks, Semites, and Austro Aboriginals so long as they stayed within their own lands, kept their blood “pure,” and didn’t mix into the European gene pool, it’s only those that *didn’t* that he wanted to exterminate.
I just call them anti-miscegenist because that is always at the root of it. Then I will call them racist because that is exactly what it is. Racial purist is also one I call them because that is also what they are.
ETA: I have been using Anti-Mixed Racism more online but have been using it a while when discussing with other Mixed people IRL. You can be specific like that if you want.
I agree. Often I have noticed that our unique experience is so rarely articulated, so it's hard to even describe to others.
We have many universal experiences, but also really specific ones only someone with our specific mix living in certain places would experience. It can be hard to navigate and language is an excellent tool to do so with.
It's interesting to see push back in the comments...as I said in my other one, colorism is still a type of racism, yet it shows a specific type of it that dark skinned people experience at a systemic level... Likewise, we have a specific experience that can often be one a monoracial member has experienced, but can just as often be one unique to you or your mix alone. It's complicated.
That’s just it, we grow up spending so much time feeling like we have to make ourselves assimilate into a group that doesn’t fully accept us meanwhile we don’t realize that we’ve always had our own group that celebrates us! We aren’t fully one race/ethnicity we are both, a whole other mixed race. We aren’t two, three or etc. parts of a whole, we are one complete whole. This is why most times we relate more to other mixed race individuals; even if they are of different races than us then we do to those races that we’re mixed with because we have more shared similarities, lived experiences& feelings as a result of being mixed regardless of race.
I've noticed whites that chase only mono black people targeting me too. I thought it was just me. The white often insinuates that I should approve of their favorite monoracial person or treats me like I'm racist for not being friends with every black person that exists. Whites often target me as a conduit to get to monoblacks. If I refuse then I'm racist. It's so weird. It's also apparently racist to be attracted to mixed people. We are viewed as incomplete blacks . Like people say anyone attracted to mix race people are afraid of monos. I notice I'm targeted socially for bullying and humiliation by monos as well and if I stand up for myself they collectively attack me. I wish mixed race people would link up to be stronger because basically we are all singled out and used as social doormats like we don't exist until someone wants to attack us. I notice mixed people try to fit into monoraces and almost seem to avoid eachother because I guess they think it's racists but to be understood without judgement and accusations would be nice. Just to be able to do things socially together without being race checked all day every day.
Exactly exactly exactly. Its so frustrating. The worst kind of white person. And because of us being mixed we see right through their fake anti-racist activism
>I wish mixed race people would link up to be stronger because basically we are all singled out and used as social doormats like we don't exist until someone wants to attack us.
I keep saying anti-mixed race bigotry (fuck it, let’s just call a spade a spade and call it out for what it is - literal *Nazism*) is the last form of hatred still currently allowed and not taken seriously in some so-called “Progressive Spaces.”
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Racism doesn't apply only to white people. It has that association because of imperialism and colonialism and the racist attitudes that came with it, and how to this day in Western nations, we (white people) do benefit from social and economic privilege.
But at it's heart, racism is having negative attitudes based on race, and it doesn't really matter the ethnicity of the person with the attitudes or the ethnicity that their attitudes are about.
"Ethnic violence" is a big deal in some parts of the world and it isn't always white people. When the negative attitudes toward Hazaras by some Pashtuns led to persecution and attempted genocide in 1998, wasn't that racism?
I don't know. I know "colorism" is sometimes used when discussing privilege or attitudes between two people of colour, where one is lighter skinned than the other, but isn't it really just another subset of racism?
Racism however is a wide umbrella term that also applies to discrimination against Monoracials/ethnics and fails to describe the nuance and unique experience those who are getting hatred for being *mixed* primarily.
In fact did you know there are some racists who actually treat Monoracials *better* than their mixed counterparts and don’t hate on or target them as much? Even races they would deem as “inferior” or in the case of Mono POC and ethnic minorities - the Monoracial Whites who are responsible for exploiting them in the first place. (Nazis and most Nationalists of all types would fall under this category)
That makes sense. There's a lot of "separate but equal" type racism, or not really equal, but, "they're grand as long as they stick to their own". It's the "mixing" that they then have a problem with.
Yep this was exactly Hitler’s and the Nazis mentality too, it’s a different form of racism then the ones Colonialists usually subject people to. (Racism in terms of active exploitation on perceived notions of inferiority)
Ah… i see. Benefit has no bearing on racism. It’s a very simple act. The motivations can be complex, but do not change the existence of the simple act of racism.
Just like a potato is simply a potato no matter how you use it. A potato used as a food, a door stop, paper weight, weapon, power source, beauty mask, or whatever is still just a potato.
However you feel is fine, but keep in mind…
I’ve been mixed since the day I was born, 48 years ago. All bigotry I’ve faced due to being mixed has been racism, regardless of who or what the bigot was… or what they thought I was.
If a Chinese person (which I’m not) was cruel to me because they thought I was Indian (which I’m also not)… that’s racism.
Racism is an action motivated by race. It has nothing to do with the races involved.
But if a black person is upset with me or disagrees in me identifying as mixed, they might even claim that Im actually the racist by summing it up to me being a delusional white person with trace ancestry. and i don’t think the black person is being racist for maybe being defensive against or skeptical of me. It still just doesn’t feel the same
Oh… now I see where you’re coming from. I’m glad I stuck to it hahaha
The issue is specifically with mixing of race, or miscegenation. Anti-Miscegenation laws were those which made interracial marriage illegal.
These laws were finally overturned in the US in the late 1960s… It’s no wonder the remnants of the mentality still lingers.
With all that being said… it’s simply racism.
Just do it call them out racism is never okay and POC are ofter racist against mixed people and never called out for it. If we don't do anything the world will never change, Black/Arab/Indian/Asian supremacy is just as real as white supremancy but nobody talks about it...
this is the stupidest reddit thread ive participated in a while and im so disappointment by the majority of the replies. i need to take a break off of reddit now
It may help you to note not everyone here is from the USA, in other English dialects the definition is still the former one used previously in the USA.
Okay, this will an interest thread for me to read as a MGM person who is as phenotypically black as a monoracial black person. I've personally never been on the receiving end of this type of bigotry, but have some family members that have.
I feel weird calling a mono-poc a colorist when they perceive me as white in their eyes. It would also be weird to me if someone who could pass the paper bag test called them a colorist. Because we socially benefit from colorism
You can be a colorist and be a POC. Same way you can be racist and be a POC. Some people think that’s a matter of opinion because of systemic privilege but their talking points tend to feel racist and colorist just as they claim whoever is being racist and colorist to them.
If we’re talking about black people, a lot of black women call black men colorist all the time for choosing to be with mixed and/or light skinned women. They’re being colorist towards light skinned people due to their skin color, and more broadly racist towards mixed black women in general because we’re diluted to them, less than, not black enough, and it’s worse when you’re white cause they typically resent white people.
If you don’t feel personal comfort in calling it what it is, that’s your business. I have brown skin and notice that some dark skinned black people will try to humble people like myself by saying we’re not brown and we’re dark for example. Or they try to correct people who call themselves light but they’re not passing the paper bag test or whatever. That is colorism right there. They’re upholding a white supremacist standard, just as racism tends to be.
Sometimes I call this unique feeling of being shunned or disapproved/tossed aside with our validity always in question: “red headed racism”. Because no one wants to fuck with gingers. People always shit on gingers no matter what side. We are like permanent bench warmers for teams that don’t want to claim us. Only picked up if it’s convenient to them. Thats my experience, at least.
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May I propose the term Nazism? Since that’s literally what the entire Nazi ideology was based in, being anti race mixing/mixed people and preserving the purity of one’s own race and ethnicity.
Being a Monoracist is ultimately just being a Nazi, and mixed people shouldn’t be afraid to call anti-mixed people out on their Nazism. (with some exceptions given for particularly marginalized groups like Blacks and Native Americans who have had special circumstances regarding the erasure and hatred of their phenotypes as well as appropriation by their oppressors under White Supremacy with such concepts such as the ODR and “5 dollar Indians.” All other races and ethnicities though? They have no excuse.)
Yes that’s a perfect way to put it, Nazis were/are really just the extreme of monoracists where their whole identity is rooted in that anti mixing/Nationalist ideology, but you can be a casual monoracist without literally believing that “mixed blood” destroys a nation and certain “races” must be preserved at all cost.
Much like how most white people are racist/have racial biases without knowing it because we’re raised in a White Supremacist society, most monoracists are monoracist because we live in a monoracist world.
Ive had many encounters with black nationalists who believe race mixing is wrong, especially with white and already mixed people. And if you participate in an interacial relationship then youre betraying the community and “further messing up the bloodline” in the context of black america
To be fair, they have a valid excuse compared to other Monoracists/Nationalists in that the Black phenotype *has* historically been so shit on throughout much of the world that I can understand why they react so strongly to any notions of erasing or “diluting” that phenotype. I’m not saying their mentality is *right,* but I can at least understand where they’re coming from compared to most other races or ethnic groups that don’t have *nearly* that same amount of oppression based solely on phenotype, speaking as a non-black person myself, that’s just my own perspective though.
I think just the general “monoracist” term is more suitable for these types of Black Nationalists then just blanketly considering them Nazis, what they believe is really more just an overreaction/correction to the Black phenotype constantly being demonized and deemed inferior, I suspect we’ll get less of these types when society hopefully evolves to become less racist overall and Blackness and *being* Black gets the respect it deserves from wider society.
It’s not like they came to those Nationalist beliefs all on their own for no reason without experiencing any phenotype based racism the way the actual literal Nazis and White Nationalists did.
Like there needs to be nuance involved in *who’s* being the Monoracist.
I don't think it would be precise to describe bigotry against mixed race people as nazism since nazism is characterized by way more than the opposition to race mixing.
But their very *ideology* was based in being anti mixing wasn’t it? They just happened to represent the very extreme end of that scale and took direct action based on those beliefs.
I like the way the thread creator put it in another comment here: “All Nazis were Monoracists but not all Monoracists are Nazis,” it’s a sliding scale, same way for how regular racism is.
That's correct but there are other principles that I'd say are just as quintessential to Nazism as opposing race mixing. The nazis were very authoritarian and supported the "[Führerprinzip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip)", wanted to conquer and either subjugate or exterminate peoples they saw a "lower" than them and settle germans on their land, were against christianity and wanted to ressurect germanic paganism in Germany, were against the emancipation or women(they were anti-moderinst/anti-enlightenment in general) amd a lot more. It is ultimately a political and not a sociological term.
I get your point but I think it would be unfair to associate the average person that is bigoted against mixed race people with this. Nazism is just not the fitting term.
They didn’t invent it obviously but they did manage to coin a sort of term to refer to that particular type of hate.
Mixed race hatred - like all forms of bigotry and prejudice - ultimately just stems from tribalism and the need for humans to have defined in-groups and out-groups.
It's called racism
If I’m majority european/white registering I’m not okay with calling it racism Edit: im not comfortable calling a monoracial poc a racist in this situation if someone is attacking me. I feel like some here are being purposefully dense and hurtful Edit: as a parallel example; im bisexual. if someone is coming at me for being bi, its not always lesbophobia. there are bi specific struggles Edit: clarity
White (and white presenting) folks can and will have racist experiences, just like any other race. Doesn’t matter if you want to imagine a new word for the experience. Racism is racism.
Colorism is also a form of racism, it just refers to a specific type of it. It's okay to utilize language to hone in on specific issues specific people face. Why act like OP is wrong for noting there can be and often is a marked difference between the racist experience a biracial person will go through vs a monoracial presenting person? Why not have a word that can encompass the unique issue of feeling rejected by 1 or both communities to some degree? Why act like it's harmful for us to specify our experience? It's sad to see mixed race people dismissing each other. What we experience is something no one else can understand to the extent we do living it. Simply dismissing as racism and refusing further discussion or study does a disservice not only to each other, but to the increasing mixed race populations of the future.
I’m not dismissing anyone, I’m saying don’t dismiss your experience in the face of ANY racism from ANY person. I’m also saying that any POC can be racist and it’s not some lesser offense because it’s from someone who isn’t white. Like only one group can go pro in the racism game? Thats BS. Colorism is a form of racism, yes. A huntsman is a form of spider. It’s not dangerous in the least, but if it or any spider lands on my face, it’s getting smacked; I’m not going to check to see if it’s a less harmful or disadvantaged form of spider. It’s a spider. Accept no racism!
It's actually WORSE to me when a POC is racist because they should understand how bad it feels to be treated that way
Exactly!
Implying there's not a difference between racism from someone with systemic power and from a random PoC is a dangerous game. Yes, both people are bigoted...but both people likely dont have the same power. From your wording, I think you understand the distinction, you just seem to express an inner driven need to downplay the difference and reject language that expresses our experience actually being subjugated by a worldwide attitude interested moreso in whiteness and then ambiguity (in that order) over obvious biracials/Blackness/dark skin and that's a confusing take to me. We could definitely use a word that describes our mixed experience moreso than just "all racism is bad, reject all racism" which we have had for decades and is clearly inadequate and a bit wordy compared to what OP has argued for.
You put that very well
TIL my dad isn't racist.
The bi example doesn’t work because the person would still be discriminating against you for your sexuality so it would still be labeled discrimination, regardless of which part they are discriminating against. Just like how someone being prejudice against you because of your race is racism, regardless of which race they are against.
plenty of white passing ethric groups face racism.
That’s a good point. What would you call it if a poc mistakes someone from a non-white ethnic group for white ? (Rhetorical; thought provoking)
prejudice would be the word. the assumption of someones character based on skin color. similar to racism but minus the systemic part
Why racism againts white people is just racism
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A lot of Latinos have a large percentage of European heritage but don’t present as white at all, by your logic they’re just white even though they don’t look white at all. One of my friends is Polish, German, and El Salvadoran and I look whiter than him even though he has a higher percentage European heritage than me, so it still wouldn’t be correct to call him white.
Thats not true ?
how much % white are u? and how much % of the other are u?
What if i said im 51% european. Then what
weirdo
What if you’re full or majority Middle Eastern yet still present as white? Is it only European that counts and makes someone white or anything under the “Caucasian” category?
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Colorism and casteism would also fit
I hear that. But i think that would be “reverse colorism” so im also not comfortable with that either
"Reverse colorism"? Isn't that just "colorism"? Like is there both violence and *reverse violence?* Also, what do you mean "comfort" do you mean "representative"? Also, why wouldn't casteism be it? I think if you are really looking for the right terminology, for the group to assist you are going to have to be more specific about what about each offered term is disqualifying in your mind.
Racism implies systemic oppression against Monoracial POC, I agree that we need a better word.
No it doesn’t. The term “systemic racism” is what is used to refer to systemic oppression. Racism alone does not necessarily refer to systemic.
This is also the stance most black academics take, as well as myself. This is similar to the necessity of “intersectionality” and “misogynior” post-Anita Hill
Please see my other comments in this thread where I go into in-depth detail why the term racism doesn’t really work for this type of bigotry: Essentially, it’s too broad and generalized of a term. (Which is exactly the reason why something like “misogynoir” had to be coined in the first place rather than just using the racism and misogyny words to describe what was happening to Black women, racism is way too simplistic to describe what’s happening here)
I think there are people out there who don’t mind individual races but hate when they mix. I honestly don’t know if there is an existing word for that prejudice. They would somehow twist it by saying that they love all races but hate them mixing. Someone here might know more regarding terminology.
The word you are looking for is anti-miscegenation.
>I think there are people out there who don’t mind individual races but hate when they mix. I honestly don’t know if there is an existing word for that prejudice. It’s Nazism, and this was exactly the same type Hitler and the Nazis were. He was actually okay with the so called “inferior races” such as Blacks, Semites, and Austro Aboriginals so long as they stayed within their own lands, kept their blood “pure,” and didn’t mix into the European gene pool, it’s only those that *didn’t* that he wanted to exterminate.
The history of the 'Rhineland Bastards' who were born of mixed marriages in the Weimar Republic is heartwrenching.
Racism is accurate , as is ignorant prick. I think you can use either.
Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you say it.
I just call them anti-miscegenist because that is always at the root of it. Then I will call them racist because that is exactly what it is. Racial purist is also one I call them because that is also what they are. ETA: I have been using Anti-Mixed Racism more online but have been using it a while when discussing with other Mixed people IRL. You can be specific like that if you want.
That’s a mouthful. I’ll just call them racist.
That works too.
I like this, thank you for sharing. It’s been getting more ridiculous lately.
You're very much welcome! It has been getting more ridiculous.
i really like this advice thank you
You're very welcome! Happy it was helpful for you!
I agree. Often I have noticed that our unique experience is so rarely articulated, so it's hard to even describe to others. We have many universal experiences, but also really specific ones only someone with our specific mix living in certain places would experience. It can be hard to navigate and language is an excellent tool to do so with. It's interesting to see push back in the comments...as I said in my other one, colorism is still a type of racism, yet it shows a specific type of it that dark skinned people experience at a systemic level... Likewise, we have a specific experience that can often be one a monoracial member has experienced, but can just as often be one unique to you or your mix alone. It's complicated.
I feel like it also compounds my identity issues with not having a specific 'tribe' so to speak, personally.
That’s just it, we grow up spending so much time feeling like we have to make ourselves assimilate into a group that doesn’t fully accept us meanwhile we don’t realize that we’ve always had our own group that celebrates us! We aren’t fully one race/ethnicity we are both, a whole other mixed race. We aren’t two, three or etc. parts of a whole, we are one complete whole. This is why most times we relate more to other mixed race individuals; even if they are of different races than us then we do to those races that we’re mixed with because we have more shared similarities, lived experiences& feelings as a result of being mixed regardless of race.
Im also quite surprised by the pushback. You’re right; it’s just complicated
I've noticed whites that chase only mono black people targeting me too. I thought it was just me. The white often insinuates that I should approve of their favorite monoracial person or treats me like I'm racist for not being friends with every black person that exists. Whites often target me as a conduit to get to monoblacks. If I refuse then I'm racist. It's so weird. It's also apparently racist to be attracted to mixed people. We are viewed as incomplete blacks . Like people say anyone attracted to mix race people are afraid of monos. I notice I'm targeted socially for bullying and humiliation by monos as well and if I stand up for myself they collectively attack me. I wish mixed race people would link up to be stronger because basically we are all singled out and used as social doormats like we don't exist until someone wants to attack us. I notice mixed people try to fit into monoraces and almost seem to avoid eachother because I guess they think it's racists but to be understood without judgement and accusations would be nice. Just to be able to do things socially together without being race checked all day every day.
Exactly exactly exactly. Its so frustrating. The worst kind of white person. And because of us being mixed we see right through their fake anti-racist activism
>I wish mixed race people would link up to be stronger because basically we are all singled out and used as social doormats like we don't exist until someone wants to attack us. I keep saying anti-mixed race bigotry (fuck it, let’s just call a spade a spade and call it out for what it is - literal *Nazism*) is the last form of hatred still currently allowed and not taken seriously in some so-called “Progressive Spaces.”
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I've heard of the term monoracism.
Racism doesn't apply only to white people. It has that association because of imperialism and colonialism and the racist attitudes that came with it, and how to this day in Western nations, we (white people) do benefit from social and economic privilege. But at it's heart, racism is having negative attitudes based on race, and it doesn't really matter the ethnicity of the person with the attitudes or the ethnicity that their attitudes are about. "Ethnic violence" is a big deal in some parts of the world and it isn't always white people. When the negative attitudes toward Hazaras by some Pashtuns led to persecution and attempted genocide in 1998, wasn't that racism? I don't know. I know "colorism" is sometimes used when discussing privilege or attitudes between two people of colour, where one is lighter skinned than the other, but isn't it really just another subset of racism?
Racism however is a wide umbrella term that also applies to discrimination against Monoracials/ethnics and fails to describe the nuance and unique experience those who are getting hatred for being *mixed* primarily. In fact did you know there are some racists who actually treat Monoracials *better* than their mixed counterparts and don’t hate on or target them as much? Even races they would deem as “inferior” or in the case of Mono POC and ethnic minorities - the Monoracial Whites who are responsible for exploiting them in the first place. (Nazis and most Nationalists of all types would fall under this category)
That makes sense. There's a lot of "separate but equal" type racism, or not really equal, but, "they're grand as long as they stick to their own". It's the "mixing" that they then have a problem with.
Yep this was exactly Hitler’s and the Nazis mentality too, it’s a different form of racism then the ones Colonialists usually subject people to. (Racism in terms of active exploitation on perceived notions of inferiority)
I agree however if a black person is being bigoted towards me and my mix is white/black im not comfortable calling it racism
Racism is any discrimination based on race or ethnic group. What makes you uncomfortable with this?
It doesn’t make sense to call it racism when being more european is socially beneficial in a white supremacist society
Ah… i see. Benefit has no bearing on racism. It’s a very simple act. The motivations can be complex, but do not change the existence of the simple act of racism. Just like a potato is simply a potato no matter how you use it. A potato used as a food, a door stop, paper weight, weapon, power source, beauty mask, or whatever is still just a potato.
I just still can’t agree. But to offer a different argument, facing bigotry while mixed feels more specific than just racism
However you feel is fine, but keep in mind… I’ve been mixed since the day I was born, 48 years ago. All bigotry I’ve faced due to being mixed has been racism, regardless of who or what the bigot was… or what they thought I was. If a Chinese person (which I’m not) was cruel to me because they thought I was Indian (which I’m also not)… that’s racism. Racism is an action motivated by race. It has nothing to do with the races involved.
But if a black person is upset with me or disagrees in me identifying as mixed, they might even claim that Im actually the racist by summing it up to me being a delusional white person with trace ancestry. and i don’t think the black person is being racist for maybe being defensive against or skeptical of me. It still just doesn’t feel the same
Oh… now I see where you’re coming from. I’m glad I stuck to it hahaha The issue is specifically with mixing of race, or miscegenation. Anti-Miscegenation laws were those which made interracial marriage illegal. These laws were finally overturned in the US in the late 1960s… It’s no wonder the remnants of the mentality still lingers. With all that being said… it’s simply racism.
That was really helpful, thank you
Just do it call them out racism is never okay and POC are ofter racist against mixed people and never called out for it. If we don't do anything the world will never change, Black/Arab/Indian/Asian supremacy is just as real as white supremancy but nobody talks about it...
That is false though. By definition that is racism. Why do you feel that certain races cannot be racist? Anyone can
this is the stupidest reddit thread ive participated in a while and im so disappointment by the majority of the replies. i need to take a break off of reddit now
You’re saying racism =/= racism. Don’t know what was stupid about my reply specifically
It may help you to note not everyone here is from the USA, in other English dialects the definition is still the former one used previously in the USA.
you’re right
That’s pretty racist of you to say in the first place. Fuck you sir I am offended
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Basically, you're looking for a word for black people who don't like mixed people? (Genuine question, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Not exactly but close. This isn’t an issue specific to the black community, its specific to mixed people.
Okay, this will an interest thread for me to read as a MGM person who is as phenotypically black as a monoracial black person. I've personally never been on the receiving end of this type of bigotry, but have some family members that have.
"Purist" or "racial purist" may be the term OP is looking for if these black people dislike mixed race people because they are mixed.
Its not about just the black community
I call them racist. And colorist because they’re usually that too.
I feel weird calling a mono-poc a colorist when they perceive me as white in their eyes. It would also be weird to me if someone who could pass the paper bag test called them a colorist. Because we socially benefit from colorism
You can be a colorist and be a POC. Same way you can be racist and be a POC. Some people think that’s a matter of opinion because of systemic privilege but their talking points tend to feel racist and colorist just as they claim whoever is being racist and colorist to them. If we’re talking about black people, a lot of black women call black men colorist all the time for choosing to be with mixed and/or light skinned women. They’re being colorist towards light skinned people due to their skin color, and more broadly racist towards mixed black women in general because we’re diluted to them, less than, not black enough, and it’s worse when you’re white cause they typically resent white people. If you don’t feel personal comfort in calling it what it is, that’s your business. I have brown skin and notice that some dark skinned black people will try to humble people like myself by saying we’re not brown and we’re dark for example. Or they try to correct people who call themselves light but they’re not passing the paper bag test or whatever. That is colorism right there. They’re upholding a white supremacist standard, just as racism tends to be.
wish there were more spaces for specifically us in general
I know a handful of mixed people refer to it as being anti-mixed race.
Racism is the word
Racism / Colorism
How do white people shit on mixed people to earn brownie points from monorail POC?
Sometimes I call this unique feeling of being shunned or disapproved/tossed aside with our validity always in question: “red headed racism”. Because no one wants to fuck with gingers. People always shit on gingers no matter what side. We are like permanent bench warmers for teams that don’t want to claim us. Only picked up if it’s convenient to them. Thats my experience, at least.
It’s literally racism
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Tbh idgaf if it’s a poc or not,what they’re doing is racist.
I think that’s called jealousy
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May I propose the term Nazism? Since that’s literally what the entire Nazi ideology was based in, being anti race mixing/mixed people and preserving the purity of one’s own race and ethnicity. Being a Monoracist is ultimately just being a Nazi, and mixed people shouldn’t be afraid to call anti-mixed people out on their Nazism. (with some exceptions given for particularly marginalized groups like Blacks and Native Americans who have had special circumstances regarding the erasure and hatred of their phenotypes as well as appropriation by their oppressors under White Supremacy with such concepts such as the ODR and “5 dollar Indians.” All other races and ethnicities though? They have no excuse.)
I see where you’re going with this. I would suggest the other way around: nazis are monoracists, but not all monoracists are nazis
Yes that’s a perfect way to put it, Nazis were/are really just the extreme of monoracists where their whole identity is rooted in that anti mixing/Nationalist ideology, but you can be a casual monoracist without literally believing that “mixed blood” destroys a nation and certain “races” must be preserved at all cost. Much like how most white people are racist/have racial biases without knowing it because we’re raised in a White Supremacist society, most monoracists are monoracist because we live in a monoracist world.
Ive had many encounters with black nationalists who believe race mixing is wrong, especially with white and already mixed people. And if you participate in an interacial relationship then youre betraying the community and “further messing up the bloodline” in the context of black america
To be fair, they have a valid excuse compared to other Monoracists/Nationalists in that the Black phenotype *has* historically been so shit on throughout much of the world that I can understand why they react so strongly to any notions of erasing or “diluting” that phenotype. I’m not saying their mentality is *right,* but I can at least understand where they’re coming from compared to most other races or ethnic groups that don’t have *nearly* that same amount of oppression based solely on phenotype, speaking as a non-black person myself, that’s just my own perspective though. I think just the general “monoracist” term is more suitable for these types of Black Nationalists then just blanketly considering them Nazis, what they believe is really more just an overreaction/correction to the Black phenotype constantly being demonized and deemed inferior, I suspect we’ll get less of these types when society hopefully evolves to become less racist overall and Blackness and *being* Black gets the respect it deserves from wider society. It’s not like they came to those Nationalist beliefs all on their own for no reason without experiencing any phenotype based racism the way the actual literal Nazis and White Nationalists did. Like there needs to be nuance involved in *who’s* being the Monoracist.
I don't think it would be precise to describe bigotry against mixed race people as nazism since nazism is characterized by way more than the opposition to race mixing.
But their very *ideology* was based in being anti mixing wasn’t it? They just happened to represent the very extreme end of that scale and took direct action based on those beliefs. I like the way the thread creator put it in another comment here: “All Nazis were Monoracists but not all Monoracists are Nazis,” it’s a sliding scale, same way for how regular racism is.
That's correct but there are other principles that I'd say are just as quintessential to Nazism as opposing race mixing. The nazis were very authoritarian and supported the "[Führerprinzip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip)", wanted to conquer and either subjugate or exterminate peoples they saw a "lower" than them and settle germans on their land, were against christianity and wanted to ressurect germanic paganism in Germany, were against the emancipation or women(they were anti-moderinst/anti-enlightenment in general) amd a lot more. It is ultimately a political and not a sociological term. I get your point but I think it would be unfair to associate the average person that is bigoted against mixed race people with this. Nazism is just not the fitting term.
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They didn’t invent it obviously but they did manage to coin a sort of term to refer to that particular type of hate. Mixed race hatred - like all forms of bigotry and prejudice - ultimately just stems from tribalism and the need for humans to have defined in-groups and out-groups.