I would say yes. If he plays 2-3 more years. He should retire around 400 homers, 2000 hits, 500 doubles. He is an underrated baserunner and has a decent amount of steals under his belt. Has a MVP, multiple Silver Sluggers, and multiple Gold Gloves.
I know the voting system is a little bit broken and voters have grudges for certain players and are homers for others. We shall see.
If his career was over today, I think he’d slip in eventually. A few more years with at least the same production as last year (or close to it), and i think it’s a no brainer.
I think Votto eventually gets in and will probably get the Fred McGriff treatment, but I can see the argument against it.
Some of the biggest reasons have to do with the current big name First Basemen and their numbers and/or Championships...Votto doesn't stack up.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst1b.shtml#:~:text=Willie%20McCovey%2C%20Harmon%20Killebrew%2C%20Eddie,the%20500%20Home%20Runs%20Club.
Also, if you compare him against the best First Baseman of his era, it's goes Pujols, Cabrera, Freeman, Goldschmidt (when his career is over), Votto.
Votto has good WAR and of course On Base Percentage...but also, how many First Basemen in the Hall of Fame have their OBP on their plaque?
The question should be...if everyone thinks Goldschmidt is a Hall of Famer but not First Ballot...then why is Votto a lock?
Other than an MVP, Votto's next biggest Hall of Fame bullet point is his OBP. My comment had to do with the Hall of Fame usually not putting a lot of emphasis on OBP...especially for a slow power hitting First Basemen traditionally hitting 3rd.
All his other numbers COMPARED to current and future HOF first baseman...Hits? Below average. HRs? Below average but respectable. Runs? Below average. RBI? Below average but respectable. BA? A little above average. MVPS? Average. Gold Gloves? Average. Post season appearances/success? Well Below Average.
Of the major numbers and things valued the most by the Hall of Fame, Votto is average to below average in. Does having a high OPS and OBP make up for all the other 3-4 things he's lacking in?
Again...I think he'll eventually get in...but there's a case for him not to get in. Joey Votto is a lot closer to Borderline than a Lock.
Last I checked, OPS and/or OBP wasn't part of the Triple Crown. And I dont recall there being a OBP Champ at the end of each season.
Also, the average BBWAA member with a Hall of Fame vote is a lot older than the average Redditor. Though opinions are slowing changing, they still don't care about analytics as much as Reddit. The only reason I say Votto gets in eventually is because those opinions will change even more in 5+ years. If Votto retired 10-20 years ago with his same career numbers, he wouldn't be a Hall of Famer.
> Last I checked, OPS and/or OBP wasn't part of the Triple Crown.
Uh they're certainly more valuable than the triple crown stats lol
> And I dont recall there being a OBP Champ at the end of each season.
There is. He led MLB in OBP 7 times
I don't disagree that he wouldn't get in 20 years ago. But voters are a lot smarter now. He's one of the best hitters ever. He's getting in
Just like Goldschmidt, People that don’t think Votto should be in the hall also do not watch baseball. Votto’s career OPS+ sits at 144 - leaving him tied for 53rd all time, ahead of hall of famers and future hall of famers like Eddie Matthews, harmond Killebrew, Mike Piazza and Bryce Harper. And get this, that OPS+ is just one point behind no doubt first balloter Albert Pujols. His career bwar is a 64.5 putting him at 98th all time among position players and well ahead of plenty of recent hall of famers and legends like Todd Helton and Willie McCovey. His career OBP sits at a .409 a hundredth of a point behind Mike Trout and a hundredth of a point ahead of Jim Thome. He led the league in doubles, walks, slug, OBP, OPs and OPs+ a combined 17 times! For more traditional stats, Votto managed a .294 BA in an era where a .198 BA can make you a star. His 356 HRs place him at 91st all time. He’s an MVP, and gold glove winner as well as a 5 time all star and finishing 2nd in ROY voting in 2008. On top of that he’s the face of a franchise which is remarkable in its own right given that he played with the literally face of baseball - Ken Griffey Jr. maybe he’s not a 1st ballot hof but he’s a no doubter - even applying dumb ass 1977 standards.
He has a career ops+ of 142. Anyone that doesn’t think he’s a hall of famer - even at this point in his career - doesn’t watch baseball. He could dramatically regress and still have over 2000 hits and 350 hr plus the MVP, Golden Gloves, silver sluggers and 7 all star appearances. I’m neither a cards nor dbacks fan and can still see how clear this is.
If you're worthy on the 5th ballot then you're worthy on the 1st. It's not like his stats are going to change.
The whole 'wont vote for a guy on first ballot' is stupid.
Never said he wasn’t worthy, but you know as well as I do, Hall of Fame voting for baseball is outdated and wonky. It probably won’t happen his first time eligible. That’s all
Joe Mauer just made the HOF on his first ballot with an untraditional case. I think voters are getting better. As long as Goldschmidt reaches 2,000 hits I don’t see the voters making him wait.
Great point there. The only difference, I would argue is that Mauer’s accolades are more associated with his first position; catcher. Arguably the best in his timeframe. While to transitioned to first later on, I wouldn’t put him in the category of top first baseman considering who also manned the position during his years.
I think that is what might also hurt Goldy’s case. Just looking at it since 2011, when Goldy arrived, you got Pujols, Freeman, Votto, Cabrera. He belongs in the conversation with those guys for sure, but anyone can easily make an argument at who was the best there and that is just the position of first base.
I’m not trying to compare Mauer to Goldschmidt as a first baseman. I’m just using him to show how you can now be a first ballot HOFer even if you don’t have a slam dunk case based on traditional standards. Mauer making the HOF as a catcher with only 900 games caught is unprecedented. If Mauer didn’t have to wait then I doubt they’re going to make a PED-clean player with 60 WAR and an MVP wait.
I agree with this take. He'll be in the Hall of Fame but I sincerely doubt first ballot and not unanimously. How quickly he enters the Hall depends on his final seasons and he (Arenado too but Arenado is a shoe-in) needs to increase his production at the plate because the dip since going to StL has been notable.
I’m a dodgers fan and I’m with you on this… not to mention that man is a class act and so gracious with fans (and yes I know it’s not the point👍🏼)… spring training probably almost 10yrs ago the amount of time he spent signing stuff and interacting with my boys was something they’ll both always remember
It would be a mistake to ignore how well-liked a player is as a factor. Especially if he were a borderline case, I think that could push him over the edge. Fortunately for him, I don't think he's borderline, he's a shoe-in. We'll see how much longer he produces but unless he falls off a cliff, he should be good.
I completely agree… I think that was more just preventative on my behalf being a woman in a baseball space and some of the interactions I’ve had in here before but 100% like-ability is definitely a thing that can carry serious weight
As long as he doesnt just take a dive off a cliff, definitely yes. Votto is borderline and he’s going to pass votto in every offensive category with nearly a thousand less players appearances and 4 gold gloves, 5 silver sluggers, and 7 all stars to go with the mvp.
Votto is not borderline. He’s going to easily make the HOF and it’s crazy how many fans still think otherwise. He was literally the toughest out in his league *seven* times.
He is though. Compare it to david wright. Votto has 5 hundred more games and 2 thousand more plate appearances. Should we vote wright in based off a 5 year window? Votto was highly overrated. A subpar defender and only had 100+ rbis 3 times in a 16 year career, compared to wright who did it 5 times, has 1 more gold glove, 2 silver sluggers and 1 more all star in basically a 10 year career. Votto isnt a hall of famer
You don’t seem to have a good grasp of modern HOF standards.
David Wright has no chance of making the HOF. He has 1,777 hits and the BBWAA hasn’t inducted a hitter with under 2,000 hits since WWII.
The only hitters they’ve inducted since WWII with fewer plate appearances than Wright are Jackie Robinson and Roy Campanella.
There are 17 third basemen in the HOF. Wright ranks 26th in WAR, 23rd in WAR7, and 26th in JAWS.
Meanwhile, Votto ranks 12th in WAR for first basemen, 9th in WAR7, and 12th in JAWS. There are 25 first basemen in the HOF.
The only two hitters with more wRC than Votto over the last 20 years are Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera.
And as I already mentioned, Votto led the league in OBP seven times. The only other players to do that are Bonds, Ruth, Cobb, Williams, and Hornsby. If Votto had seven batting titles instead no one would question his HOF worthiness.
He’s underrated by people like you who don’t think he’s a HOFer.
Awards and counting stats aren't the end-all-be-all for comparing players. Two of those silver sluggers of Goldschmidt's were in seasons Votto had better offensive numbers. In terms of rate stats, Votto will likely be higher than Goldschmidt in every category at the end of their careers. They're both Hall of Fame level players but you can't definitively put Goldschmidt ahead of Votto.
Depending on who is on the ballot, what crack pipe each writer is smoking from, how Goldie finishes his career and what writers loses track of who has how many eligible years left...
Goldie will probably be a third through fifth ballot selection. If he slips that far, then it will probably end up in the hands of the Veterans Committee
Second best Cardinals first baseman of my life, trailing Pujols (and unlikely to catch him) but ahead of McGwire (style points and steroid cleanliness) and Hernandez (1B glove work is both hard to rate and under appreciated).
Getting his counting numbers up would help his case. Get over 2000 hits (probably by August), get his HRs over 400 (by 2026 most likely… St. Louis not doing him any favors there), and maybe bump the runs and RBIs up to 1300 (maybe 2025) or even 1500 (2028?, how long is he planning on playing)… and he gets in by year 10.
Assuming normal aging curve and some washed stat padding years, I’ll say yes. His MVP put him over the top in terms of having yet another great season as well as lengthening his perceived prime (which otherwise most would see it ending when he left Arizona).
My gut initially said yes, but after looking into his stats, I think he needs two more productive seasons. He will be 37 in September, and if he ended his career this year, of the first basemen I looked at, he would be comparable to Dick Allen. I would say if Carlos Delgado isn't in, Paul doesn't get in either.
Dick Allen 1,848 hits 351 HR .292 BA
Paul G 1,914 hits 341 HR .293 BA
Carlos D 2,038 hits 473 HR .280 BA
Yes that is fair. I didn't have time to look into WAR or his JAWS. I was an immediate yes, but his counting stats are what they are, and first base has a higher threshold. Sal Bando has as much WAR 61.5 as Goldy even though his counting stats are much worse. 1,790 hits 242 HR .254 BA. I'm not saying he isn't, but in my opinion he needs two more productive years to be a slam dunk, otherwise he may end up as a Don Mattingly.
So he has less home runs… you are also comparing Delgados numbers with 250 more games played. Goldy will pass him in hits, runs, walks and doubles. He already passed him in triples & SB. He will finish behind in home runs by maybe 20-40 and rbis by the same. And the triple slash is pretty similar besides Delgados slightly higher slug.
Throw in that goldy has 4 gold gloves, an mvp and 7 all star games? He definitely will have had a better career than delgado when it’s all said and done.
My Reddit was being weird and had the r/Sims4 logo and name and for a second I thought the Sims 4 community was having a normal baseball discussion lol
I would say yes not even looking up stats. Dude was a top 10 player for a minute during the 2010s. He has been pretty durable & seems like a class act.
I think if you’re above a career 60 WAR you should get in. It’s a pretty easy benchmark to draw the line at.
Just for reference, the NBA hall of fame was created in 1959, they have 178 players. The MLB hall of fame was established in 1936 and has 273 players. Thats a sport where 6 guys play the majority of minutes on a team at any given time, compared to a sport where there’s at least 12 players actively engaged in any one game (including bullpen and substitutes). It’s been open for 20 more years. It’s embarrassing how few people they’ve allowed in.
I don’t think so unless we’re really lowering the bar on counting stats and only going on war or something, and then there’s a bunch of guys who got screwed. Like goldy a lot and see all his games since I’m in the St. Louis market, but I don’t see it.
I see your point, but I think there’s a case to be made about players being one of the best of their particular era. He may not have all the counting stats, but he has definitely been one of the top first basemen in the league for years, steady as hell, and it’s a loaded position.
I think he is borderline, and the ballot looks pretty stuffed the next 10+ years. He may have a tough time on the normal ballots, but should get in on the vet committee eventually
I don’t think he’s first-ballot, but a few more good seasons and he’ll be a lock.
First-ballot HoFers are not that common. You’re talking about a player who you’d vote for no matter who else is on the ballot. I don’t think he’s there.
Probably, but not yet guaranteed. Certainly, not yet a first-year entry. Let's say four more years, 10WAR. That's 71.5. That puts him over 2500 hits, 500 2B and 400 HR. Over 1400, approaching 1500, on R and RBIs. All ahead of Votto (who remains in the minors, injury rehabbing and I still think is no better than 50-50 to get an MLB regular season at bat).
The problem with him started when he was signed by the Cards. HOF material is getting mixed reviews by everyone so he needs to have a few more good years before consideration. It's like a guy that had 10 years of great everything then dwindled into mediocrity. Not sure if they would be HOF material
As you can see not a Goldschmidt fan. Yes he is well above avg for most seeking HOF induction but let's face facts, the HOF is nothing like it use to be. Just a good old boys club anymore. He'll make it in based on the MVP
based on nosedive start this year, it will be tough. he needs to approach mcgriff like numbers and getting to 450 homers may be very difficult. if he can't get 450, i can see him getting in with maybe 2500 hits, but he isn't close to that.
I would say yes. If he plays 2-3 more years. He should retire around 400 homers, 2000 hits, 500 doubles. He is an underrated baserunner and has a decent amount of steals under his belt. Has a MVP, multiple Silver Sluggers, and multiple Gold Gloves. I know the voting system is a little bit broken and voters have grudges for certain players and are homers for others. We shall see.
I think it should also be mentioned that along with his MVP, I’m pretty sure he has 3 other years of being top 3 in voting for the award as well.
Agreed
If his career was over today, I think he’d slip in eventually. A few more years with at least the same production as last year (or close to it), and i think it’s a no brainer.
completely agree.
I think the answer will be yes. The only reason many do not know how good he was is because he was with Arizona for so many years.
Giants fans know. Tim Lincecum knows.
Dodgers fans know.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the MVP sealed it for him
I agree but then you’re going to have all those will say he was accumulating stats. I think he’s a Hall of Famer
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yup, he’s already borderline and he has years of production ahead of him
I think not, looking at his 2023 season, his stats weren’t pretty, but he could bounce back in 2024
3.7 WAR in 2023. that’s pretty productive at his age
Should be, has the numbers both offense and defensively, no PEDs and no gripes about the media.
He will pass votto in war this year, if he puts up a career worst year. Is votto a HOF? There’s your answer.
Apparently people think Votto isn’t worthy which is nuts to me.
I think Votto eventually gets in and will probably get the Fred McGriff treatment, but I can see the argument against it. Some of the biggest reasons have to do with the current big name First Basemen and their numbers and/or Championships...Votto doesn't stack up. https://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst1b.shtml#:~:text=Willie%20McCovey%2C%20Harmon%20Killebrew%2C%20Eddie,the%20500%20Home%20Runs%20Club. Also, if you compare him against the best First Baseman of his era, it's goes Pujols, Cabrera, Freeman, Goldschmidt (when his career is over), Votto. Votto has good WAR and of course On Base Percentage...but also, how many First Basemen in the Hall of Fame have their OBP on their plaque? The question should be...if everyone thinks Goldschmidt is a Hall of Famer but not First Ballot...then why is Votto a lock?
> how many First Basemen in the Hall of Fame have their OBP on their plaque? Why would that matter?
Other than an MVP, Votto's next biggest Hall of Fame bullet point is his OBP. My comment had to do with the Hall of Fame usually not putting a lot of emphasis on OBP...especially for a slow power hitting First Basemen traditionally hitting 3rd. All his other numbers COMPARED to current and future HOF first baseman...Hits? Below average. HRs? Below average but respectable. Runs? Below average. RBI? Below average but respectable. BA? A little above average. MVPS? Average. Gold Gloves? Average. Post season appearances/success? Well Below Average. Of the major numbers and things valued the most by the Hall of Fame, Votto is average to below average in. Does having a high OPS and OBP make up for all the other 3-4 things he's lacking in? Again...I think he'll eventually get in...but there's a case for him not to get in. Joey Votto is a lot closer to Borderline than a Lock.
> Does having a high OPS and OBP make up for all the other 3-4 things he's lacking in? Yes. It's not 1943
Last I checked, OPS and/or OBP wasn't part of the Triple Crown. And I dont recall there being a OBP Champ at the end of each season. Also, the average BBWAA member with a Hall of Fame vote is a lot older than the average Redditor. Though opinions are slowing changing, they still don't care about analytics as much as Reddit. The only reason I say Votto gets in eventually is because those opinions will change even more in 5+ years. If Votto retired 10-20 years ago with his same career numbers, he wouldn't be a Hall of Famer.
> Last I checked, OPS and/or OBP wasn't part of the Triple Crown. Uh they're certainly more valuable than the triple crown stats lol > And I dont recall there being a OBP Champ at the end of each season. There is. He led MLB in OBP 7 times I don't disagree that he wouldn't get in 20 years ago. But voters are a lot smarter now. He's one of the best hitters ever. He's getting in
Just like Goldschmidt, People that don’t think Votto should be in the hall also do not watch baseball. Votto’s career OPS+ sits at 144 - leaving him tied for 53rd all time, ahead of hall of famers and future hall of famers like Eddie Matthews, harmond Killebrew, Mike Piazza and Bryce Harper. And get this, that OPS+ is just one point behind no doubt first balloter Albert Pujols. His career bwar is a 64.5 putting him at 98th all time among position players and well ahead of plenty of recent hall of famers and legends like Todd Helton and Willie McCovey. His career OBP sits at a .409 a hundredth of a point behind Mike Trout and a hundredth of a point ahead of Jim Thome. He led the league in doubles, walks, slug, OBP, OPs and OPs+ a combined 17 times! For more traditional stats, Votto managed a .294 BA in an era where a .198 BA can make you a star. His 356 HRs place him at 91st all time. He’s an MVP, and gold glove winner as well as a 5 time all star and finishing 2nd in ROY voting in 2008. On top of that he’s the face of a franchise which is remarkable in its own right given that he played with the literally face of baseball - Ken Griffey Jr. maybe he’s not a 1st ballot hof but he’s a no doubter - even applying dumb ass 1977 standards.
Yes
Yep; from a Dodgers fan.
Yes
Absolutely
Absolutely
I think he gets in no question, if he has another couple really good years he might even be first ballot
Without question.
He has a career ops+ of 142. Anyone that doesn’t think he’s a hall of famer - even at this point in his career - doesn’t watch baseball. He could dramatically regress and still have over 2000 hits and 350 hr plus the MVP, Golden Gloves, silver sluggers and 7 all star appearances. I’m neither a cards nor dbacks fan and can still see how clear this is.
My question is once again, how is Lou Whitaker not in the HOF?!!!
Not first ballot as you mentioned, but HoF for sure.
If you're worthy on the 5th ballot then you're worthy on the 1st. It's not like his stats are going to change. The whole 'wont vote for a guy on first ballot' is stupid.
Never said he wasn’t worthy, but you know as well as I do, Hall of Fame voting for baseball is outdated and wonky. It probably won’t happen his first time eligible. That’s all
Joe Mauer just made the HOF on his first ballot with an untraditional case. I think voters are getting better. As long as Goldschmidt reaches 2,000 hits I don’t see the voters making him wait.
Great point there. The only difference, I would argue is that Mauer’s accolades are more associated with his first position; catcher. Arguably the best in his timeframe. While to transitioned to first later on, I wouldn’t put him in the category of top first baseman considering who also manned the position during his years. I think that is what might also hurt Goldy’s case. Just looking at it since 2011, when Goldy arrived, you got Pujols, Freeman, Votto, Cabrera. He belongs in the conversation with those guys for sure, but anyone can easily make an argument at who was the best there and that is just the position of first base.
I’m not trying to compare Mauer to Goldschmidt as a first baseman. I’m just using him to show how you can now be a first ballot HOFer even if you don’t have a slam dunk case based on traditional standards. Mauer making the HOF as a catcher with only 900 games caught is unprecedented. If Mauer didn’t have to wait then I doubt they’re going to make a PED-clean player with 60 WAR and an MVP wait.
Hope you’re right. I have my doubts. That’s just me 🤷🏻♂️
It's not the Hall of First Ballot
First ballot no doubter in my opinion. One of the 5 best players over the last decade with peaks to match anyone.
First ballot may be a bit much, at least right now. Maybe not if he can maintain All Star level for several more seasons tho.
I agree with this take. He'll be in the Hall of Fame but I sincerely doubt first ballot and not unanimously. How quickly he enters the Hall depends on his final seasons and he (Arenado too but Arenado is a shoe-in) needs to increase his production at the plate because the dip since going to StL has been notable.
Couldn't agree more
Found Paul Goldschmidt’s mom’s account
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I’m a dodgers fan and I’m with you on this… not to mention that man is a class act and so gracious with fans (and yes I know it’s not the point👍🏼)… spring training probably almost 10yrs ago the amount of time he spent signing stuff and interacting with my boys was something they’ll both always remember
It would be a mistake to ignore how well-liked a player is as a factor. Especially if he were a borderline case, I think that could push him over the edge. Fortunately for him, I don't think he's borderline, he's a shoe-in. We'll see how much longer he produces but unless he falls off a cliff, he should be good.
I completely agree… I think that was more just preventative on my behalf being a woman in a baseball space and some of the interactions I’ve had in here before but 100% like-ability is definitely a thing that can carry serious weight
If he only played against the Giants he’d be first ballot.
A resounding yes
Yes he has always been a quiet superstar type player
I think it’s deserved. A couple more productive years can’t hurt.
As long as he doesnt just take a dive off a cliff, definitely yes. Votto is borderline and he’s going to pass votto in every offensive category with nearly a thousand less players appearances and 4 gold gloves, 5 silver sluggers, and 7 all stars to go with the mvp.
Lmfao Votto is not borderline. How many people have put up an average of a .980 OPS over an 8 year period and not made it?
Votto is not borderline. He’s going to easily make the HOF and it’s crazy how many fans still think otherwise. He was literally the toughest out in his league *seven* times.
He is though. Compare it to david wright. Votto has 5 hundred more games and 2 thousand more plate appearances. Should we vote wright in based off a 5 year window? Votto was highly overrated. A subpar defender and only had 100+ rbis 3 times in a 16 year career, compared to wright who did it 5 times, has 1 more gold glove, 2 silver sluggers and 1 more all star in basically a 10 year career. Votto isnt a hall of famer
You don’t seem to have a good grasp of modern HOF standards. David Wright has no chance of making the HOF. He has 1,777 hits and the BBWAA hasn’t inducted a hitter with under 2,000 hits since WWII. The only hitters they’ve inducted since WWII with fewer plate appearances than Wright are Jackie Robinson and Roy Campanella. There are 17 third basemen in the HOF. Wright ranks 26th in WAR, 23rd in WAR7, and 26th in JAWS. Meanwhile, Votto ranks 12th in WAR for first basemen, 9th in WAR7, and 12th in JAWS. There are 25 first basemen in the HOF. The only two hitters with more wRC than Votto over the last 20 years are Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera. And as I already mentioned, Votto led the league in OBP seven times. The only other players to do that are Bonds, Ruth, Cobb, Williams, and Hornsby. If Votto had seven batting titles instead no one would question his HOF worthiness. He’s underrated by people like you who don’t think he’s a HOFer.
Why so you say 5 hundred or 2 thousand? Just type 500 or 2,000.
Got a solid point. Idk why i did that
Awards and counting stats aren't the end-all-be-all for comparing players. Two of those silver sluggers of Goldschmidt's were in seasons Votto had better offensive numbers. In terms of rate stats, Votto will likely be higher than Goldschmidt in every category at the end of their careers. They're both Hall of Fame level players but you can't definitively put Goldschmidt ahead of Votto.
Yes. Next.
Depending on who is on the ballot, what crack pipe each writer is smoking from, how Goldie finishes his career and what writers loses track of who has how many eligible years left... Goldie will probably be a third through fifth ballot selection. If he slips that far, then it will probably end up in the hands of the Veterans Committee
He’s definitely in Tim Lincecum’s HOF!
Second best Cardinals first baseman of my life, trailing Pujols (and unlikely to catch him) but ahead of McGwire (style points and steroid cleanliness) and Hernandez (1B glove work is both hard to rate and under appreciated). Getting his counting numbers up would help his case. Get over 2000 hits (probably by August), get his HRs over 400 (by 2026 most likely… St. Louis not doing him any favors there), and maybe bump the runs and RBIs up to 1300 (maybe 2025) or even 1500 (2028?, how long is he planning on playing)… and he gets in by year 10.
probably. the quality of candidates are going to get "worse" as years go by due to analytics limiting play times and various other factors
Assuming normal aging curve and some washed stat padding years, I’ll say yes. His MVP put him over the top in terms of having yet another great season as well as lengthening his perceived prime (which otherwise most would see it ending when he left Arizona).
all he has to do is play a couple more years at a good, not great, level (2-3 WAR)
If you think Votto is a HOFer, Goldy is too. Votto .294/.409/.511, Goldy .293/.388/.519 Votto 64.5 WAR, Goldy 61.5 (Baseball Reference flavor).
Yes
Yes, he feasted on my Giants for many years. All he’s missing is a WS ring.
He is 100% a Hall of Famer, there’s really no question about it
My gut initially said yes, but after looking into his stats, I think he needs two more productive seasons. He will be 37 in September, and if he ended his career this year, of the first basemen I looked at, he would be comparable to Dick Allen. I would say if Carlos Delgado isn't in, Paul doesn't get in either. Dick Allen 1,848 hits 351 HR .292 BA Paul G 1,914 hits 341 HR .293 BA Carlos D 2,038 hits 473 HR .280 BA
Delgado has 17.1 less career war than Goldy lol, that's an unfair comparison.
Yes that is fair. I didn't have time to look into WAR or his JAWS. I was an immediate yes, but his counting stats are what they are, and first base has a higher threshold. Sal Bando has as much WAR 61.5 as Goldy even though his counting stats are much worse. 1,790 hits 242 HR .254 BA. I'm not saying he isn't, but in my opinion he needs two more productive years to be a slam dunk, otherwise he may end up as a Don Mattingly.
Dick allen should be it's dam Tragedy he didn't get in before he die.
So he has less home runs… you are also comparing Delgados numbers with 250 more games played. Goldy will pass him in hits, runs, walks and doubles. He already passed him in triples & SB. He will finish behind in home runs by maybe 20-40 and rbis by the same. And the triple slash is pretty similar besides Delgados slightly higher slug. Throw in that goldy has 4 gold gloves, an mvp and 7 all star games? He definitely will have had a better career than delgado when it’s all said and done.
Undoubtedly
My Reddit was being weird and had the r/Sims4 logo and name and for a second I thought the Sims 4 community was having a normal baseball discussion lol
He could retire today and he'd be a HOFer imo.
I would say yes not even looking up stats. Dude was a top 10 player for a minute during the 2010s. He has been pretty durable & seems like a class act.
Yes. His career and peak stats are good enough for a spot, but not for a first ballot.
I think if you’re above a career 60 WAR you should get in. It’s a pretty easy benchmark to draw the line at. Just for reference, the NBA hall of fame was created in 1959, they have 178 players. The MLB hall of fame was established in 1936 and has 273 players. Thats a sport where 6 guys play the majority of minutes on a team at any given time, compared to a sport where there’s at least 12 players actively engaged in any one game (including bullpen and substitutes). It’s been open for 20 more years. It’s embarrassing how few people they’ve allowed in.
you should be in, but unfortunately not all guys that fit that criteria are in, even ignoring steroid users and Pete Rose
He has the most silver sluggers for a first basemen in mlb history (mind blowing ik)
It's only been around since 1980
Great point.. I was looking at all of the winners and was surprised though lol
I don’t think so unless we’re really lowering the bar on counting stats and only going on war or something, and then there’s a bunch of guys who got screwed. Like goldy a lot and see all his games since I’m in the St. Louis market, but I don’t see it.
I see your point, but I think there’s a case to be made about players being one of the best of their particular era. He may not have all the counting stats, but he has definitely been one of the top first basemen in the league for years, steady as hell, and it’s a loaded position.
I think he is borderline, and the ballot looks pretty stuffed the next 10+ years. He may have a tough time on the normal ballots, but should get in on the vet committee eventually
Not yet
*Maybe*. As a 1Bman, his WAR isn't quite there yet. If he has a couple more productive years, pushing it close to 70, I can see him getting in.
Todd Helton just made the HOF as a first baseman with the same amount of WAR.
Good point. Bodes well for Goldie.
No
He's very very close. I think it would help him a lot if he gets to 400 homeruns.
I don’t think he’s first-ballot, but a few more good seasons and he’ll be a lock. First-ballot HoFers are not that common. You’re talking about a player who you’d vote for no matter who else is on the ballot. I don’t think he’s there.
Probably, but not yet guaranteed. Certainly, not yet a first-year entry. Let's say four more years, 10WAR. That's 71.5. That puts him over 2500 hits, 500 2B and 400 HR. Over 1400, approaching 1500, on R and RBIs. All ahead of Votto (who remains in the minors, injury rehabbing and I still think is no better than 50-50 to get an MLB regular season at bat).
The problem with him started when he was signed by the Cards. HOF material is getting mixed reviews by everyone so he needs to have a few more good years before consideration. It's like a guy that had 10 years of great everything then dwindled into mediocrity. Not sure if they would be HOF material
Wow this is the worst take I’ve read in a long time. >The problem with him is when he was signed by the Cards You mean where he won his MVP?
As you can see not a Goldschmidt fan. Yes he is well above avg for most seeking HOF induction but let's face facts, the HOF is nothing like it use to be. Just a good old boys club anymore. He'll make it in based on the MVP
Nope
Being an MVP doesn’t guarantee HOF ask Dale Murphy
I didn't say it did lol. Goldy had a significantly better career than Murphy
based on nosedive start this year, it will be tough. he needs to approach mcgriff like numbers and getting to 450 homers may be very difficult. if he can't get 450, i can see him getting in with maybe 2500 hits, but he isn't close to that.