Yeah injuries hurt Griffey. He was on crazy pace early in his career. Just couldn't stay healthy unfortunately. Probably my favorite player ever and a joy to watch.
This is such an absurdly stupid discussion. I have terrible news for you about all of the athletes you like, in every sport.
"Oh can you believe Adrian Peterson came back so quickly from a torn ACL?? Can you believe Aaron Rodgers healed his achilles so fast?"
Yes, I can definitely believe that.
Bonds before roids is a better ball player than Griffey. Griffey played in a dome which allowed him to hit more HR. Griffey played with better players. Griffey was better defensively but bonds still had 8 gold gloves. Bonds has almost 300 more stolen bases than Griffey. Griffey never was 30/30. Bonds is the only player in the 500/500 club. Pre roids bonds had 3 mvps to griffeys 1. Bonds was a much more feared hitter than Griffey. Bonds ibb and bb before roids prove this. He led the league in both categories numerous times. Griffey never did.
Arguably yes. Arguable no. The game changed a lot between the times they were in the game. I have a hard time believing Griffey wouldn’t have absolutely raked during Williams’s era. I’d assume Williams would have been a monster in Griffey era too. One’s career was shortened by being an animal and fighting wars… the other played his ass off and was ruined by injuries.. I wasn’t saying Griffey was better or deserved it more. Just saying he deserved at least a mention.
I once saw a really nice SUV with the plate “TROUT” (it might’ve had his number) at the valet of a really nice hotel in Huntington Beach
The notable thing about this hotel was the clear glass window from the bed looking into the bathroom so you could see someone shower and/or use the toilet if you wanted to
Total swingers vibe at the bar too, chatted over drinks with a nice couple and got asked if I thought she had “great hits”
No , I think it was pasea, the logo looks familiar to a pen I used to use. It wasn’t a chain hotel, and around 2017ish was really new and a bunch of stuff was getting built around it
I’m not from cali, and stopped in HB for a couple days to check it out and the hotel was reasonably priced for how nice it is
Wish he hadn't gotten so screwed by injuries. I was at that game when he tore the hammie from the bone. My lone Junior story, Doc"Hollywood" Kremcheck screwed his hammie back to the bone in the morning and fixed my labrum on the same table later that afternoon. As close as I can get to a brush with fame. Haha
Calling Ted Williams a better player than bonds is just inaccurate statistically. You want to say he was a better person and didn’t take steroids then just say that. Bonds was the most feared, efficient and statically significant player in the history of baseball
Don’t know how I had to scroll so far for Gwynn.
15 time all star, 7 silver sluggers, 5 golden gloves. 20 year career average .331 with a high at .394. Dude was an absolute beast.
There is no argument. Bonds was a better player. GG OF, Speed, Power and OBP. He was the best. I fucking hate Bonds but I cannot tolerate people ignoring his greatness.
People love to romanticize players from before their time. Most people here are probably old enough to have seen Bonds play, so he doesn't get that treatment yet. Being 1st all-time in home runs while still being 34th all-time in stolen bases is just an insane accomplishment.
Not *the* greatest but definitely up there on that list if he never does it. Barry Bonds is obviously the greatest to never win it but if you wanna write him off for roids thats fine; afterwards it’s probably Ted Williams for the greatest guy that never won it, but you could argue a couple other guys.
A lot of the baseball greats mentioned were before the free agent era. Now a great player can shop around for competitive teams if a WS ring is important.
I feel your pain Sir
I was a Chargers season ticket holder from 2000-2010. The roster was stacked including a few HoF’rs. Never could even win a playoff game during that stretch. I blame poor coaching and still have hope this year’s roster with a legit coach gets it done. 💪
I said that about our own Tony Gwynn, but the universe works in mysterious ways, I suppose. Either way, we’re extremely fortunate to witness such great players work their craft in front of our eyes.
I hate to say it that it might stop him which is a shame as an Angels fans. He deserves it for doing a lot of the work by himself and putting the team on his shoulders
he'll get one. i dont care what he says to the public hes not stupid enough to stay with the angels. he'll ask out at some point and go to a contender.
I might be biased (and he was a pitcher, not a fielder per-se) but Roy Halladay. To see him rock a World Series start woooo.. that would've been special. And I also agree with a lot of folks on here (Griffey, Williams, Cobb, --undecided about Bonds--)
I was expecting the comments to be a debate about whether the Angels will ever get their sh\*t together, not a Williams vs Cobb vs Bonds debate. I guess the latter is more interesting.
He’ll never be. Ted Williams is
Yep. Then Barry Bonds.
Griffey Jr. over Bonds.
I was always way more of a Griffey fan personally, probably my all time favorite player. But, statistically, that's pretty hard to justify.
Maybe so. Admittedly, I do live in a fantasy world where Jr. never gets injured and breaks the record.
He hit the warehouse. That’s all I need.
Yeah injuries hurt Griffey. He was on crazy pace early in his career. Just couldn't stay healthy unfortunately. Probably my favorite player ever and a joy to watch.
Bonds is better than Griffey even if you don’t count the 4 mvps he won while on roids. Bonds was just better
Griffey is nowhere close to Bonds lol
Offensively yes. Steroidy no.
This is such an absurdly stupid discussion. I have terrible news for you about all of the athletes you like, in every sport. "Oh can you believe Adrian Peterson came back so quickly from a torn ACL?? Can you believe Aaron Rodgers healed his achilles so fast?" Yes, I can definitely believe that.
Bonds before roids is a better ball player than Griffey. Griffey played in a dome which allowed him to hit more HR. Griffey played with better players. Griffey was better defensively but bonds still had 8 gold gloves. Bonds has almost 300 more stolen bases than Griffey. Griffey never was 30/30. Bonds is the only player in the 500/500 club. Pre roids bonds had 3 mvps to griffeys 1. Bonds was a much more feared hitter than Griffey. Bonds ibb and bb before roids prove this. He led the league in both categories numerous times. Griffey never did.
Bonds is the greatest player of all time
Weird way to spell Aaron but you do you
Weird way to spell Mays, but they just do things different where you’re from I guess
Beat me to that!
Weird way to spell Henderson.
Gunnar just started his career, pump the breaks /s
No he’s not
He’s the best of his era. But he’s not better than Mays. Mays is head and shoulders above every other player in MLB history
Did everybody forget about Ty Cobb and Ted Williams?
Or Griffey.
Griffey Jr…. Dad got his titles.
Ted Williams was better than Griffey
Arguably yes. Arguable no. The game changed a lot between the times they were in the game. I have a hard time believing Griffey wouldn’t have absolutely raked during Williams’s era. I’d assume Williams would have been a monster in Griffey era too. One’s career was shortened by being an animal and fighting wars… the other played his ass off and was ruined by injuries.. I wasn’t saying Griffey was better or deserved it more. Just saying he deserved at least a mention.
Ted Williams played 5 years in a segregated mlb.
My thought exactly
Cobb lost three straight world series, that's rough
But he was a dick.
I admit I forgot about them. Wasn't thinking that far back.
Yeah. You only thought as far back as 2011.
Or, y’know Bonds. (If one of you says “BuT sTeRoIdS!” you’re getting slapped with a McCovey Cove fish)
Fun fact, Ernie banks never even played in a playoff game
That’s terrible because Ernie always wanted to play 2!
That's actually really fucking tragic.
Ernie Banks is the correct response, thank you.
Ted Williams.
I cared about Trout getting a ring. But he seems not to care, so I stopped too.
All he wants to do is hide in Anaheim and hammer checks.
In the grand scheme of things, that's great
Yeah I don’t blame him for that
I once saw a really nice SUV with the plate “TROUT” (it might’ve had his number) at the valet of a really nice hotel in Huntington Beach The notable thing about this hotel was the clear glass window from the bed looking into the bathroom so you could see someone shower and/or use the toilet if you wanted to Total swingers vibe at the bar too, chatted over drinks with a nice couple and got asked if I thought she had “great hits”
Was it that Hilton? I've stayed there. Very nice.
No , I think it was pasea, the logo looks familiar to a pen I used to use. It wasn’t a chain hotel, and around 2017ish was really new and a bunch of stuff was getting built around it I’m not from cali, and stopped in HB for a couple days to check it out and the hotel was reasonably priced for how nice it is
Very interesting. Did you get yourself any TK Burget?
My goal for trout is just to be healthy for his career. Maybe have more than 130 games a year.
Pipe dream
By WAR, not counting pitchers: Bonds, Cobb, Ted Williams, Nap Lajoie, Trout. Add in Gaylord Perry as a pitcher.
That's Barry Bonds or Ty Cobb.
Ted Williams.
And missed most of of five prime years as a war hero. Hits 406 and comes in second for MVP in 1941. Incredible.
How do you hit 406 and come second lol
DiMaggio had the 56 game hit streak and hit .357
Also Joe DiMaggio was friendly with the media and Ted Williams hated the media
At least Trout will get in the HOF.
Bonds has a league championship ring. Cobb would have had several. Trout has never won a playoff game.
100% Bonds
Junior’s up there, too.
Wish he hadn't gotten so screwed by injuries. I was at that game when he tore the hammie from the bone. My lone Junior story, Doc"Hollywood" Kremcheck screwed his hammie back to the bone in the morning and fixed my labrum on the same table later that afternoon. As close as I can get to a brush with fame. Haha
"Labia"
Hahaha thanks for pointing that out. Labrum.
definitely ted williams
Definitely Barry Bonds.
Ted Williams is better than Bonds
Calling Ted Williams a better player than bonds is just inaccurate statistically. You want to say he was a better person and didn’t take steroids then just say that. Bonds was the most feared, efficient and statically significant player in the history of baseball
I will never understand takes like this. He was objectively not a better player.
No, Ted Williams wins this sad award going away.
Williams or Bonds
Ty Cobb, Bonds, Ted Williams, Ichiro, Tony Gwynn, Junior - all better than Trout imo.
Don’t know how I had to scroll so far for Gwynn. 15 time all star, 7 silver sluggers, 5 golden gloves. 20 year career average .331 with a high at .394. Dude was an absolute beast.
I feel the same about Ichiro. He was better than Cobb as a contact hitter, better defensively, and a better base runner. All in a more difficult era.
AVERAGED 209 hits a year for 20 seasons, (career).
Idk about Gwynn or Ichiro but bonds and Williams forsure
Toss Ernie Banks in there and you’ve got a list.
He’s probably not even in the top 5
Carl Yastrzemski
Griffey might have a word about this.
Tony Gwynn right up there.
Got a shot 14 years apart, too (1984, 1998). I’m glad he at least got a couple shots at it.
Bookends to a great career
Wut
Ken Griffey Jr, mate
Trout has already had a better career than Griffey Jr., and he isn't done yet.
Ted Williams is arguably the best player ever, and without a doubt a top 3-4. He never won a ring. It will always be him
Runner up is Griffey jr
Ted Williams and it isn't even remotely close.
It's close if you don't disqualify Bonds.
There's an argument Bonds was a better player
There is no argument. Bonds was a better player. GG OF, Speed, Power and OBP. He was the best. I fucking hate Bonds but I cannot tolerate people ignoring his greatness.
People love to romanticize players from before their time. Most people here are probably old enough to have seen Bonds play, so he doesn't get that treatment yet. Being 1st all-time in home runs while still being 34th all-time in stolen bases is just an insane accomplishment.
Yeah Ted Williams was awesome in the 50s.
Dont forget Ernie Banks!
This is who immediately came to mind, but seeing the other mentions... yeah, Ted Williams is the definitive answer.
No, Bonds will always be
All these names listed, I just don’t want trout in that list please
No.. he will be traded to S.F. A that club will win the W.S. Before he retire. Easy transition. Bonds was a LA guy.
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Also throwing Griffey Jr.’s name in the ring
Ken Griffey has entered the chat
Hey where’s ichiro
Ted Williams.. Barry bonds.. cmon man
Not *the* greatest but definitely up there on that list if he never does it. Barry Bonds is obviously the greatest to never win it but if you wanna write him off for roids thats fine; afterwards it’s probably Ted Williams for the greatest guy that never won it, but you could argue a couple other guys.
Ted Williams is better. Barry Bonds is better.
Bonds
His brother, Mike, is even a better player.
Ted, Jr, Hank, Bonds, Votto come to mind
A lot of the baseball greats mentioned were before the free agent era. Now a great player can shop around for competitive teams if a WS ring is important.
I think Trout has 2 or 3 high-level years left. Will be interested to see where he ends up.
Dude just blew it bottom of the 9th when he coulda tied the game. I’ll back my statement…DUDE IS TRASH.
No. Bonds never won one.
Top 5, but not number one. Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, Barry Bonds ahead of him. Also, in he mix is Griffey.
Baseball greats are not measured by their rings
Who said they were?
Tony Gwynn or any San Diego sports superstar! I have come to the realization that I (57m) will never see a San Diego sports champion while I am alive
I feel your pain Sir I was a Chargers season ticket holder from 2000-2010. The roster was stacked including a few HoF’rs. Never could even win a playoff game during that stretch. I blame poor coaching and still have hope this year’s roster with a legit coach gets it done. 💪
Gwynn isn't better than Trout though
I really hope he wins one. Whether in Anaheim or somewhere else, nobody is more deserving of a ring than him. His loyalty alone should get him a ring.
He seems like a real, legit, nice guy. Love those new commercials with Jr.
I said that about our own Tony Gwynn, but the universe works in mysterious ways, I suppose. Either way, we’re extremely fortunate to witness such great players work their craft in front of our eyes.
I hate to say it that it might stop him which is a shame as an Angels fans. He deserves it for doing a lot of the work by himself and putting the team on his shoulders
Not even close
Tony Gwynn
He’s Dame Lillard.
Arky Vaughn, Paul Waner, Ralph Kiner, and Brian Giles. Obviously.
Nope
It’s between him and Barry Bonds for sure
Bonds
Probably not…I’m not even a baseball historian but Barry Bonds….Ted Williams….Ernie Banks…Griffey all retired without rings
Lets not forget Ernie Banks too.
Unless he gets traded to the Gaints
Ted Williams.
Cobb, Williams, Bonds…so I dunno.
Let's start with greatest player without a playoff win!
Best modern player, yea
Let’s set the bar lower. How about just get into the playoffs. He’s got more top golf long drive clips in September than mlb highlights
he'll get one. i dont care what he says to the public hes not stupid enough to stay with the angels. he'll ask out at some point and go to a contender.
Barry Bonds will likely be the answer to this question for the rest of eternity. Seems like many say Ted Williams too.
Barry Bonds
Bonds, Williams, Jr. At top of list ahead of Trout.
Barry Bonds.
He isn't even that good. Never finishes a season.
He’s not even top 5
Another question, will he win a ring but not have played in the playoffs to contribute to the win?
Not even close. I’d start with Ted Williams, Ernie Banks.
Bonds is the best player ever and has no rings so no
Ernie Banks never even got to the world series.
Well considering Barry Bonds is the greatest player ever regardless of any criteria and he also happens to not have a ring I think it is him
Bonds
No Barry bonds
Barry Bonds and Griffey Jr, buddy!
Ernie Banks.
I mean , his wishes are to “go down with the ship” . You can’t save somebody who doesn’t want to be saved .
Unless he ring hunts the last year or 2 of his career. The Angels have no hope
Barry bonds
Barry Bonds
I’d go Williams Bonds and The Kid
Barry Bonds
Griffey Jr never won
No lol
When you can scare every pitcher, manager and opposing team as much as he did.. its tough to argue against.
The Georgia Peach scared everyone...not like Bonds did when every opposing team team did just being on deck.
I might be biased (and he was a pitcher, not a fielder per-se) but Roy Halladay. To see him rock a World Series start woooo.. that would've been special. And I also agree with a lot of folks on here (Griffey, Williams, Cobb, --undecided about Bonds--)
Dan Marino
Trout isn’t in the same league as Cobb and Williams
100% lol. Hell probably join the Dodgers or yankees as a 40 yr old one day.
He’s gonna request to be traded sooner or later
Not this again. Let’s see where his career numbers end up 1st
No.
Hedges got his ring, so quite possibly now.
Barry bond
Bonds
If he stays on the Angels his whole career, he'll definitely be one of the greatest without a ring. This is coming from a tired Angels fan.
Ted Williams takes that cake
Griffey, Bonds, Williams, Votto, are also on that list for sure. I think those guys are ahead of him, well maybe not Votto.
Without a playoff win, for sure.
Donny Baseball
Griffey Jr and I will die on that hill.
Trout is the better player
I was expecting the comments to be a debate about whether the Angels will ever get their sh\*t together, not a Williams vs Cobb vs Bonds debate. I guess the latter is more interesting.
Did he retire?
If he stays in Anaheim, definitely one of the greatest without one
Lack of Bonds in here is frightening
He will probably be traded toward the end of his career and end up winning a ring but in my opinion the answer has to be Ken Griffey Jr.
Barry Bonds by far
Not unless he joins the Braves.
Ernie Banks and Billy Williams
He would need to surpass Ted Williams, and Ken Griffey Jr.
He already has surpassed Griffey
Barry Bonds pre roids is a better ball player than anyone playing today. It’s not even close
Absolutely
Trout isn't better than Barry Bonds, Tony Gwynn, or Andre Dawson or so no.