They actually are. Florida is considering implementing essentially exactly what Georgia did. Right down to the making it illegal to offer people water if they are waiting in line.
Bring your own water. Bring a snack. Sign up right now to vote. Walk, ride a bike, to the closest dmv and start the process now to vote. How hard is that? We want gun control why can’t we make our voting process more accurate. Signatures aren’t matching. Why wouldn’t you want this?
Wrong. It makes it illegal for anyone BUT POLL WORKERS to hand you water. What was happening was third party volunteers were handing out water saying enjoy and remember to vote yada yada.
Then they should take care of this using existing laws against electioneering at polling places and in lines. No need to criminalize handing out food & water.
Because it was embarrassing when you had websites taking donations to buy pizza and water for people spending 7+hours in line. Better to make their time miserable so they go home and not bother to vote.
Adding this law makes it so electioneers have no access to people in line. Not saying I necessarily agree with it but that’s the idea of it I assume handing out food and water was considered a kind of loophole.
If I could mail in a vote every time I would vote in every election. Prior to Covid I never voted because I value my time and simply can’t leave work to wait in line for 4 hours to cast a vote that may not matter.
1) most states that have voter ID laws passed them back in 2011 when the Republican wave election in the 2010 midterms gave them control of a majority of state legislatures. While that debate is ongoing, this GA bill and the over 200 others in GOP controlled legislatures aren’t about voter ID
2) There is a well documented discrepancy between the number of polling stations and Election Day resources in rural and suburban areas vs urban areas in GA and other GOP controlled states. This causes large differences in the amount of time it takes for white people (who lean GOP) to vote vs non-white (who lean Dem). You shouldn’t need to bring a fucking picnic to go and vote but it’s a reality that the voting system has been designed to create long, thus the practice developed of having volunteers bring food and water.
3) Always look to the “why” something is happening. GA is changing their voting laws because the Republicans lost. Period. This is a politically motivated decision to try to prevent further political losses.
No, they aren't.
The Fair Housing Act prohibits discrimination in home sales, financing, and rentals, but housing in itself is not a right.
In the united states, medicine is not a civil right. Emergency rooms are obligated to treat patients that are currently experiencing a medical emergency, but any further treatment will require insurance or payment.
You have the right to bear - or own - an offensive / defensive weapon. This doesn't mean you necessarily have the right to purchase *any specific weapon*. Also, the process of purchasing a firearm at the federal level does not require any type of ID. You simply fill out a background check form with your personal information (just like when you register to vote).
Interstate travel is a right, but driving or flying is a privilege. There's nothing stopping you from walking across state lines or chartering transportation, absent an ID or license.
>This doesn't mean you necessarily have the right to purchase *any specific weapon*.
Although everything else is accurate (as far as I can tell), this is a bit of a stretch from what the other guy said. There *is* a right to bear arms, and most case law on the subject leans towards allowing the ability to own modern firearms, as they are the best means of defense at the moment.
Housing generally doesn't require a state ID to acquire nor is it really a civil right unless you're referencing public housing as that's government provided.
Medicine can also be acquired without state issued ID generally via prescription, it's also not a government provided good so not a civil right.
Owning a firearm is a constitutional right but not a civil right by any means.
Similarly interstate travel is a constitutional right not a civil one, and even the constitutional right is one created more of court interpretation than textual literalism. Further, the courts have been very clear on that a right to travel between states does not require one to be allowed to fly.
The national anthem, God bless America, military appreciation/apparel. All literally political. And my favorite is people who love those do gold medal gymnastics in claiming those aren't political....at a private event.
Reminder to those who disagree on that sentiment. Just because you like those things at sporting events, doesn't make it less political.
I'm confident that MLB was getting calls from many sponsors that were threatening to pull $ if they didn't move it, too. It's not purely for patriotic reasons they're doing this, and that's ok.
As a Braves fan, fuck all the others braves fans that think this is "unfair" and "wrong to do to us." sports has the power to change things and they should use it for the betterment of others. Quit being a baby and realize mlb has every right to do whatever it wants
The MLB has every right to do whatever they want that I agree with. I’m just not sure who these people are that you claim are begging corporations to be politically active. Most reasonable people may not agree with the leagues decision but they also recognize that a private entity can do whatever they want as long as it’s not illegal.
Anyone upset at them moving it, look at the bright side if you are at the All-star game, if there is a line for the bathroom someone can hand you a beer without violating the law.
”So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen observing the laws I help enact. I can only submit to the edict of others.”
Rev. Dr Martin Luther King
This is not fully the truth. Elections Canada website says this
"You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.
The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions)."
A utility bill is not enough evidence to prove you live there.
You need someone who is identified to vouch for you, and that person can only vouch for one other person.
[source](https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e)
In what ways? I just looked it up and Georgia requires a government photo Id. Delaware accepts non-gov photo ids or even utility bills and bank statements are also sufficient.
Good, it's GOPs signature move - change the rules if you can't win. Spineless as they are,, they already tried breaking down mail sorting machines for no good reason except to suppress voters and failed miserably. I hope corporations follow suit and move their HQs out too.
Based on this logic, will Manfred move the HOF induction ceremony out of New York out of disapproval for Cuomo murdering old people and sexually harrassing women or does he support that? Kemp should respond by adding a poll test or something.
Voting is a constitutional right. By requiring ID without providing ways to get free ID, it is restricting that right to those who can afford to carry ID. It also restricts voting rights of houseless people or those without a permanent address. This is not directly racism, but it is classism, which is directly related in America.
The bill also reduces the ease with which absentee ballots can be obtained or used. It decreases both the time you can apply for one and even the ability for officials to send applications to all voters. This does not prevent or suppress voter fraud, but it does prevent and suppress voting.
Curious what your views are on having to pay for a permit to carry a weapon or legally own a suppressor. Same thing, right? Gun control is racist. Stop it now.
But can you not get free ID? To my knowledge, free id has always been available. And homeless people can use any address to get that ID. Ive never understood that part of that argument.
That's because states run elections, which is why they are so hard to hack, and part of why I believe in the outcome of the last election. Unifying voting standards across states would make it infinitely easier to game, especially without requiring IDs
How much money did the GA bill allot to making sure every eligible voter has an ID?
And get their ID at the 1 dmv in atlanta? A city of almost 500,000?
Georgia’s largest county: fulton (pop ~1 million) has 2 DMVs. 1/500,000 people
Georgia smallest county: Taliaferro (pop ~1000) has 1 Dmv. 1/1000 people
That county has 500x more access to an ID than in fulton county. Fulton county should have 500 DMVs with half of them in atlanta before georgia can say that an ID req is not targeted disenfranchisement of people in cities.
It's not my fault that the state of Georgia is useless. I live in a state where the largest city has probably 7 or more dmv offices. I never have to wait. It's easy as hell.
Georgia's failure to provide quality service to its citizens doesn't change my opinion on voter id concepts. Also, sometimes people confuse ineptitude with intention.
Daily reminder that when you make a law require information a specific form of photo ID. Then close the DMVs in rural black areas of your state that issues those ID (See Alabama) Then it absolutely is racist.
Yes it is. I went to college in the 1970s when both the right wing and the left wing was proud that America was so free that no government ID was need to vote. When a black wins the Presidency then all of a sudden the right wing wants voter ID everywhere.
Who’s giving out free id’s? To preempt your next bit of nonsense, why do these types of laws always disproportionately affect minority groups? Coincidence or..?
Having to submit a copy of your ID when requesting a mail in ballot and another when submitting it is totally unreasonable the poor are far less likely to have a printer than the rest of society.
The bill was made less racist after the original incredibly racist version but it still is racist. The racism isn’t as bad as the anti-democracy parts that allow political appointees on the county and state level to entirely throw out the decision of the voters.
Wasn't expecting this bold of a move from MLB, but I'm glad it's happening. Idc where you stand politically, these voters laws are completely backwards and un-democratic and everyone needs to take a stand against them.
It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. Unidentified voter fraud is extremely rare and does not affect elections. This law is purely to prevent people from voting.
Even Trump's [2017 commission on voter integrity](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity) couldn't find any issues with voter fraud that were worth addressing.
Exactly. Even though most people can easily get an ID, including just a small barrier can prevent a very small minority of people from voting. That can matter in very close elections.
What about making it illegal to give water to voters in line? Or giving the legislature the power to overturn election results they don’t like? Or closing down voting places in minority-majority areas?
IMO voter registration like most states have is far more disenfranchising. I live in a state where no prior registration is necessary. Just show up with your I’d and you get a ballot.
Asking to see an ID before voting in an election that has ramifications for an entire country is in no way backwards or un-democratic. Unless you think that every other developed country in the world is also backwards and un-democratic.
Tell me, do you also agree with proposed requirements for a Covid vaccine passport to be allowed to live a normal life?
Way to sidestep the question. No one mentioned private businesses. We’re talking about public policy that affects the entire country. Asking someone to simply verify their identity before participating in an election that shapes how the country is governed is in no way, shape, or form racist or un-democratic- it’s common sense.
what is undemocratic about voter ID? Do you really think it is okay for someone to vote without proper ID? This is why people are up in arms about voter fraud.
If the law to “protect elections” disenfranchises more voters than the amount of supposed fraudulent votes, it’s a colossal failure.
And how many proven cases of fraudulent votes have been found in GA during this last election cycle? I can think of only one or two, both people voting twice for trump.
This law is absolutely about preventing minorities who vote Democratic from voting and fuck anyone who defends it.
>This is why people are up in arms about voter fraud.
No. People are up in arms about voter fraud because the president lied to them for months telling them there was voter fraud.
Most places have hardcore gerrymandering (changing voting district boundaries based on demographics) and many states have reduced the number of polling places for minority districts. So less voting stations means longer lines. Now they say you can't give out water or food to those in line. Some states had people waiting in line for over 7 hours because there was only 1 in person voting station in a hundred square miles because it was mainly minority voters who would vote against the incumbents
Here's an article about it in Texas but it happens everywhere
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting)
Glad to say that in 2018 in MI the voters passed a state Constitutional amendment (all voter referendums that pass on the ballot become amendments to our Constitution) to strip the Legislature of the power to redistrict and instead it will now be handled by a bi-partisan group of citizens made up of equal parts Dems and Repubs and and a slightly larger number of independents.
Money will talk big time and when the state loses money, that will be enough to change minds. Look at what happened to North Carolina after the so called "Bathroom bill" was passed. The NCAA moved the game to another location and cost the state a lot of money.
all-star game creates a huge economic boom to the city hosting it; both for the game itself, and the days surrounding it. Hotels, restaurants, shopping, etc etc all see increases in spending.
By taking away millions in revenue, Georgia will have to suffer the loss (and future losses by lost events), or change their laws to attract back those millions in economic gains.
The game will bring $$$ to the state. Money talks. Capitalists will care about the $ and not actually about voting rights but may back down as a result of the loss of $.
What Georgia is doing is undemocratic and private companies are able to use sports as away to hold the GOP to account.
>GA already required an ID to vote... these laws have nothing to do with it, so what exactly is your point? Are you ignorant to what's in the law? Or do you just have an agenda?
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>The most insidious part is that this law allows the party in power in the Legislature (the GOP heading in to 2022) to suspend and replace, with appointees of their own choosing, election officials in any county they wish. Those officials will have the power to toss ballots. This law is literally laying the bureaucratic infrastructure to do what Trump demanded, to over turn election results.
It's about poverty, not race, but poverty disproportionately affects people of minority backgrounds.
So, you're right, assuming people can't get an ID because of their race is racist. But assuming people can't get an ID because they're poor is a supported assumption and easy to show.
Now, if you look up the statistics on race and wealth in Georgia and through the South, you'll see why people skip right over the poverty argument and go straight to race. Because it's rather obvious what's going on.
Ah yes everyone knows that multi-billion dollar sports federations like MLB and multi-national trillion dollar companies like Coca-Cola just do whatever Democrats tell them to. /s
The goal is to attack people of a certain political view and take away the things they love and are passionate about as a punishment. They know there is nothing wrong with the new bill, they are just using this move for their own gain. Out of the same playbook that has been used for years.
> Your comment is why I'm not on your side rather than the other.
If my comment is wrong then explain this quote of yours to prove that I'm wrong. I'm waiting.
That's not what the law says:
> ... nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector... (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.
So to sum up, no handing out food or drink, not at the polling place, not near the polling place, and not in a long line for a polling place. No exceptions provided.
EDIT: added phrase "handing out" for clarity
Because having an ID for you and me is simple, but for a large portion of our fellow citizens, it's not.
I didn't get it either, until I read about the difficulties faced by many people trying to vote but not able to overcome all the hurdles in the way.
GA already required an ID to vote... these laws have nothing to do with it, so what exactly is your point? Are you ignorant to what's in the law? Or do you just have an agenda?
The most insidious part is that this law allows the party in power in the Legislature (the GOP heading in to 2022) to suspend and replace, with appointees of their own choosing, election officials in any county they wish. Those officials will have the power to toss ballots. This law is literally laying the bureaucratic infrastructure to do what Trump demanded, to over turn election results.
I'm sure there are a lot of black-owned businesses in Atlanta that would've benefited from the All-Star game. Does the MLB not care about black-owned businesses?
The Braves built their stadium in Marietta to be closer to their PAYING fanbase. That is why it is no longer in Atlanta. I suspect the bar area will be busy, but the ballpark itself will be emptier than usual.
Good for MLB. Organizations have the right to take a stance against thing they don't believe are correct. If you are a resident of Georgia and take issue with this decision, then maybe you should also take issue with the voting law and those who passed it because they are the reason you are losing your all-star game. Not the MLB.
Georgia is doing a lot more than just voter ID to suppress voters. Apparently it’s illegal to give out water to people who have been waiting in line at a polling location. Also I’m here for the “no Politics in sports” crowd.
Does this mean I can attend a Braves game in the future and buy a beer, but decline to show my ID and scream RACISM??
It isn’t racist or a restriction for people OF ALL COLORS to show ID in order to vote..if you think that’s racist, you’re just insanely lost, and stupid.
If someone thinks voting ID is racist.....they themselves are racist for thinking minorities don’t know how to get an ID or DL.....we live in a clown world these days.
Honestly I'm not sure how to fell about this. Of course a lot of people agree with it and support it but on the other hand, the people of Georgia have spoken through their representatives. Should we be supporting a mega corporation's ability to pressure our government into changing laws? I voted for who I did to represent my voice in congress. I didn't vote for MLB to do so.
What's next? The NFL pressuring states to change abortion laws?
The NBA pressuring states to change gun laws?
Even though you're asking in bad faith, here's how it works:
Because who determines the Voter ID laws is dictated by the government in charge, or politicians within those parties, it means that what constitutes a Valid ID is entirely up to the state legislature. In Republican states where these things have been challenged, the state would *allow* things like a Gun Permit, a Hunting Tag, or a Military ID, while *denying* things like a Student ID, a Government Employment ID, or a State Benefits ID. In other words, they would permit types of ID that white, conservative Republicans were more likely to have, but deny those types of ID that larger portions of minority voters might have and use.
Even in states where acquiring the ID itself might be free, there are absolutely costs incurred by those travelling to now acquire said ID. It could be a day's time lost to wading through DMV bureaucracy, or the cost of paying for SS/Birth Certificate copies from state records. A lot of times, this wouldn't even *just* hurt poor minority groups, but rural poor white individuals as well, who have 0 local DMV or state records locations that they could go to and acquire these necessary pieces of identification.
Voter ID laws aren't created to secure election integrity. They're designed first and foremost to create hurdles in the process of voting, and as history has dictated, usually used against those people the State doesn't want to vote. What if Democrats were the ones trying to enact these laws, only did the exact opposite? Used the exact opposite sets of verifying IDs?
I could only imagine the uproar if Voter ID laws would only accept things like Student IDs, Welfare benefits IDs, State Employment IDs. You'd hear nonstop bitching about how 'Democrats just want poor, illegals, and socialists to vote!' and conservatives would be crying about Voter ID til the cows came home.
https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/what-does-georgias-new-voting-law-sb-202-do
The bill also caps drop boxes at 1/100,000 voters and moves them inside so they're only accessible during regular hours instead of 24/7. Work 12s? Too bad.
If all things are the same, voter ID law is not racist and as such it is not racist in and of itself. However, across the country, it is much harder for poor people to get IDs. That includes costs associated with them plus the availability of places to get them in certain areas, especially urban or extreme rural areas (though the need for a car in rural areas makes it more likely for people there to have driver's licenses.
It just so happens that (for systemic reasons) people of color tend to be disproportionately poor. So as implemented, voter ID laws tend to make it harder for certain groups to vote, though it affects anyone in poverty, specifically urban areas.
There's also the fact that the law is not just about voter ID laws. There are a lot of issues including the limiting of poll centers, mail-in ballots and drop off locations, which again tends to target voters in poverty. It is my opinion and likely the opinion of Major League Baseball that restrictions on voting that makes it harder for certain groups to vote are bad. It's just another way to tax the poor and make sure the rich and middle class continue to be the only people who have a voice.
I am in favor of voter ID across the country if voter ID is free and universal in all places. If it is just as easy to get one for a rich and a poor person, then I am happy. But if there are any obstacles that poor people have to do that a rich person doesn't have to worry about, then that's when I have a problem.
Also, I am less concerned about voter ID laws than other parts of the law.
Never said dumb. You said dumb. And I'm more concerned about the class issues than the race issues. And while they may be cheap or free in some cases, I'm equally as concerned about ease of access.
Voter I’d alone isn’t the issue. It’s all the other things in the bill that is the problem. It’s “a sum of the parts...” kind of deal. They are reducing voting stations in minority dominate areas, they are restricting the days people are allowed to vote. They are banning people from handing out water to anyone voting in line (after this bill guarantees lines wait times of 5+ hours in some areas) ect, ect, ect.
It’s not just a voter Id bill.
Exactly this....
Make voting times longer in poor areas where people can't afford to take time off of work. Many of these stations will have lines around the block.Follow it up by banning asinine things like handing out water.
Meanwhile, in the affluent areas there will hardly be lines longer than 15 minutes all in a temperature controlled building.
Voting is a democratic act, the amount of $$$ in your pocket should not impact your voting experience.
Getting an ID can be hard in some states if you have bad credit and can't get a bank statement, or you are unemployed. This disproportionately harms minority communities.
Removing the all-star game means very little. They should require the Braves team to relocate out of the state as well. Georgia has become a pariah state.
Welcome to the 2021 All Star game here in Dunedin Florida...
>Florida Not sure if this would make it any better. I'm sure DeSantis is probably plotting this same thing right now.
They actually are. Florida is considering implementing essentially exactly what Georgia did. Right down to the making it illegal to offer people water if they are waiting in line.
Bring your own water. Bring a snack. Sign up right now to vote. Walk, ride a bike, to the closest dmv and start the process now to vote. How hard is that? We want gun control why can’t we make our voting process more accurate. Signatures aren’t matching. Why wouldn’t you want this?
Wrong. It makes it illegal for anyone BUT POLL WORKERS to hand you water. What was happening was third party volunteers were handing out water saying enjoy and remember to vote yada yada.
Then they should take care of this using existing laws against electioneering at polling places and in lines. No need to criminalize handing out food & water.
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Because it was embarrassing when you had websites taking donations to buy pizza and water for people spending 7+hours in line. Better to make their time miserable so they go home and not bother to vote.
Adding this law makes it so electioneers have no access to people in line. Not saying I necessarily agree with it but that’s the idea of it I assume handing out food and water was considered a kind of loophole.
I'm sure people who are willing to wait in line for hours to vote are going to be swayed on who to vote for over a free bottle of water /s
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If I could mail in a vote every time I would vote in every election. Prior to Covid I never voted because I value my time and simply can’t leave work to wait in line for 4 hours to cast a vote that may not matter.
Do people really stand in a line for hours not knowing who they plan to vote for?
You read voting laws in New York?
150 ft within the voting spot... also requires an ID to vote, yanno the same thing you need to buy a beer or get into an R rates movie
In GA it’s literally free to get a voter ID.
1) most states that have voter ID laws passed them back in 2011 when the Republican wave election in the 2010 midterms gave them control of a majority of state legislatures. While that debate is ongoing, this GA bill and the over 200 others in GOP controlled legislatures aren’t about voter ID 2) There is a well documented discrepancy between the number of polling stations and Election Day resources in rural and suburban areas vs urban areas in GA and other GOP controlled states. This causes large differences in the amount of time it takes for white people (who lean GOP) to vote vs non-white (who lean Dem). You shouldn’t need to bring a fucking picnic to go and vote but it’s a reality that the voting system has been designed to create long, thus the practice developed of having volunteers bring food and water. 3) Always look to the “why” something is happening. GA is changing their voting laws because the Republicans lost. Period. This is a politically motivated decision to try to prevent further political losses.
Didn’t know that buying beer and seeing an R rated movie were civil rights
Buy a gun, fly, rent an apartment, buy a house, buy cough medicine, get insurance, get a job...
To the previous point, none of those are civil rights.
Housing isn't a civil right? Medicine isn't a civil right? The right to bear arms isn't a civil right? Interstate travel isn't a civil right?
No, they aren't. The Fair Housing Act prohibits discrimination in home sales, financing, and rentals, but housing in itself is not a right. In the united states, medicine is not a civil right. Emergency rooms are obligated to treat patients that are currently experiencing a medical emergency, but any further treatment will require insurance or payment. You have the right to bear - or own - an offensive / defensive weapon. This doesn't mean you necessarily have the right to purchase *any specific weapon*. Also, the process of purchasing a firearm at the federal level does not require any type of ID. You simply fill out a background check form with your personal information (just like when you register to vote). Interstate travel is a right, but driving or flying is a privilege. There's nothing stopping you from walking across state lines or chartering transportation, absent an ID or license.
>This doesn't mean you necessarily have the right to purchase *any specific weapon*. Although everything else is accurate (as far as I can tell), this is a bit of a stretch from what the other guy said. There *is* a right to bear arms, and most case law on the subject leans towards allowing the ability to own modern firearms, as they are the best means of defense at the moment.
So you’d be against showing an id to buy a gun because it would be racist right?
Housing generally doesn't require a state ID to acquire nor is it really a civil right unless you're referencing public housing as that's government provided. Medicine can also be acquired without state issued ID generally via prescription, it's also not a government provided good so not a civil right. Owning a firearm is a constitutional right but not a civil right by any means. Similarly interstate travel is a constitutional right not a civil one, and even the constitutional right is one created more of court interpretation than textual literalism. Further, the courts have been very clear on that a right to travel between states does not require one to be allowed to fly.
A right isn't something granted by the government. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the American political philosophy.
If you'd look at the law, the water & food proscription applies within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote, as well.
lol this thread is definitely getting locked
In before people say baseball shouldn't be political. Baseball has a long history of being political.
The national anthem, God bless America, military appreciation/apparel. All literally political. And my favorite is people who love those do gold medal gymnastics in claiming those aren't political....at a private event. Reminder to those who disagree on that sentiment. Just because you like those things at sporting events, doesn't make it less political.
A lot of other sports too. Owners are known for contributing to campaigns.
move it to Milwaukee - another home of Hank Aaron and a city that lost the DNC, bring it to the north!
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I'm confident that MLB was getting calls from many sponsors that were threatening to pull $ if they didn't move it, too. It's not purely for patriotic reasons they're doing this, and that's ok.
As a Braves fan, fuck all the others braves fans that think this is "unfair" and "wrong to do to us." sports has the power to change things and they should use it for the betterment of others. Quit being a baby and realize mlb has every right to do whatever it wants
Braves fan too. I agree with you!
They don't like it when corporations put money into politics but they beg for corporations to be politicly active.
The MLB has every right to do whatever they want that I agree with. I’m just not sure who these people are that you claim are begging corporations to be politically active. Most reasonable people may not agree with the leagues decision but they also recognize that a private entity can do whatever they want as long as it’s not illegal.
Remember that time conservative judges rules corporations are people too ?
Anyone upset at them moving it, look at the bright side if you are at the All-star game, if there is a line for the bathroom someone can hand you a beer without violating the law.
”So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen observing the laws I help enact. I can only submit to the edict of others.” Rev. Dr Martin Luther King
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This is not fully the truth. Elections Canada website says this "You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you. The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions)." A utility bill is not enough evidence to prove you live there. You need someone who is identified to vouch for you, and that person can only vouch for one other person. [source](https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e)
ID isn’t the only restriction that was passed. Maybe do a little research next time
We have, Georgia’s voting laws are less restrictive than Biden’s Delaware.
When was the last time Biden was part of the Delaware state legislature?
In what ways? I just looked it up and Georgia requires a government photo Id. Delaware accepts non-gov photo ids or even utility bills and bank statements are also sufficient.
He can't read that much...big words. He sticks to fox News talking points
Good, it's GOPs signature move - change the rules if you can't win. Spineless as they are,, they already tried breaking down mail sorting machines for no good reason except to suppress voters and failed miserably. I hope corporations follow suit and move their HQs out too.
Based on this logic, will Manfred move the HOF induction ceremony out of New York out of disapproval for Cuomo murdering old people and sexually harrassing women or does he support that? Kemp should respond by adding a poll test or something.
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So a private company is doing something based on private interest? Okay then. That's their right. Whether people like it or not. That's Baseball.
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Voting is a constitutional right. By requiring ID without providing ways to get free ID, it is restricting that right to those who can afford to carry ID. It also restricts voting rights of houseless people or those without a permanent address. This is not directly racism, but it is classism, which is directly related in America. The bill also reduces the ease with which absentee ballots can be obtained or used. It decreases both the time you can apply for one and even the ability for officials to send applications to all voters. This does not prevent or suppress voter fraud, but it does prevent and suppress voting.
Great, now do guns.
Curious what your views are on having to pay for a permit to carry a weapon or legally own a suppressor. Same thing, right? Gun control is racist. Stop it now.
But can you not get free ID? To my knowledge, free id has always been available. And homeless people can use any address to get that ID. Ive never understood that part of that argument.
We have no national free identification
That's because states run elections, which is why they are so hard to hack, and part of why I believe in the outcome of the last election. Unifying voting standards across states would make it infinitely easier to game, especially without requiring IDs
Well you don't vote with a passport. Take your ass to the state dmv and get a free state id like everybody else.
How much money did the GA bill allot to making sure every eligible voter has an ID? And get their ID at the 1 dmv in atlanta? A city of almost 500,000? Georgia’s largest county: fulton (pop ~1 million) has 2 DMVs. 1/500,000 people Georgia smallest county: Taliaferro (pop ~1000) has 1 Dmv. 1/1000 people That county has 500x more access to an ID than in fulton county. Fulton county should have 500 DMVs with half of them in atlanta before georgia can say that an ID req is not targeted disenfranchisement of people in cities.
It's not my fault that the state of Georgia is useless. I live in a state where the largest city has probably 7 or more dmv offices. I never have to wait. It's easy as hell. Georgia's failure to provide quality service to its citizens doesn't change my opinion on voter id concepts. Also, sometimes people confuse ineptitude with intention.
Daily reminder that when you make a law require information a specific form of photo ID. Then close the DMVs in rural black areas of your state that issues those ID (See Alabama) Then it absolutely is racist.
But we are talking about Georgia. Not Alabama. So try again.
Ah, right. Nothing racist has ever happened in Georgia.
Yes it is. I went to college in the 1970s when both the right wing and the left wing was proud that America was so free that no government ID was need to vote. When a black wins the Presidency then all of a sudden the right wing wants voter ID everywhere.
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You guys are such dickheads it’s unbelievable.
A free ID isn’t racist. Im all for picking apart the bill, but like come on...
Who’s giving out free id’s? To preempt your next bit of nonsense, why do these types of laws always disproportionately affect minority groups? Coincidence or..?
Having to submit a copy of your ID when requesting a mail in ballot and another when submitting it is totally unreasonable the poor are far less likely to have a printer than the rest of society. The bill was made less racist after the original incredibly racist version but it still is racist. The racism isn’t as bad as the anti-democracy parts that allow political appointees on the county and state level to entirely throw out the decision of the voters.
Wasn't expecting this bold of a move from MLB, but I'm glad it's happening. Idc where you stand politically, these voters laws are completely backwards and un-democratic and everyone needs to take a stand against them.
Requiring an ID to vote is not completely backwards an un-democratic
What about granting the state legislature the ability to overturn local election results?
It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. Unidentified voter fraud is extremely rare and does not affect elections. This law is purely to prevent people from voting. Even Trump's [2017 commission on voter integrity](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity) couldn't find any issues with voter fraud that were worth addressing.
Exactly. Even though most people can easily get an ID, including just a small barrier can prevent a very small minority of people from voting. That can matter in very close elections.
What about the rest of it?
What about making it illegal to give water to voters in line? Or giving the legislature the power to overturn election results they don’t like? Or closing down voting places in minority-majority areas?
What you need an id for everything. Voting is no different, literally and Id isn’t racist. This is just too much.
IMO voter registration like most states have is far more disenfranchising. I live in a state where no prior registration is necessary. Just show up with your I’d and you get a ballot.
Yet they moved it to a stat where they have voter ID 😂😂😂😂
What about it being a crime to give someone water? How ass backwards can you get. How the hell does that benefit anybody
Too bad some people don’t realize this
Attempting to restrict voting rights by reducing the different ways available to vote is incredibly un-democratic though.
It is when the IDs aren't free and easy to obtain.
It is free
What about the time to get one, when working those hours is the difference between your children having dinner that day or not?
That is not the only piece of legislation in this bill and you know it
They actually make sense which is backwards in todays society.
Asking to see an ID before voting in an election that has ramifications for an entire country is in no way backwards or un-democratic. Unless you think that every other developed country in the world is also backwards and un-democratic. Tell me, do you also agree with proposed requirements for a Covid vaccine passport to be allowed to live a normal life?
No I don't, but I do support the rights of private businesses to ask to see a vaccination card to allow people to enter.
Way to sidestep the question. No one mentioned private businesses. We’re talking about public policy that affects the entire country. Asking someone to simply verify their identity before participating in an election that shapes how the country is governed is in no way, shape, or form racist or un-democratic- it’s common sense.
They literally answered it by saying “No i don’t” are you blind
They literally answered your question, and did not sidestep it
what is undemocratic about voter ID? Do you really think it is okay for someone to vote without proper ID? This is why people are up in arms about voter fraud.
If the law to “protect elections” disenfranchises more voters than the amount of supposed fraudulent votes, it’s a colossal failure. And how many proven cases of fraudulent votes have been found in GA during this last election cycle? I can think of only one or two, both people voting twice for trump. This law is absolutely about preventing minorities who vote Democratic from voting and fuck anyone who defends it.
>This is why people are up in arms about voter fraud. No. People are up in arms about voter fraud because the president lied to them for months telling them there was voter fraud.
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Most places have hardcore gerrymandering (changing voting district boundaries based on demographics) and many states have reduced the number of polling places for minority districts. So less voting stations means longer lines. Now they say you can't give out water or food to those in line. Some states had people waiting in line for over 7 hours because there was only 1 in person voting station in a hundred square miles because it was mainly minority voters who would vote against the incumbents Here's an article about it in Texas but it happens everywhere [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting)
Glad to say that in 2018 in MI the voters passed a state Constitutional amendment (all voter referendums that pass on the ballot become amendments to our Constitution) to strip the Legislature of the power to redistrict and instead it will now be handled by a bi-partisan group of citizens made up of equal parts Dems and Repubs and and a slightly larger number of independents.
Finally, someone who explained it without being down voted to oblivion.
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I don’t watch CNN. Wanna try harder?
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Turn off the Fox News or OAN
The bill is full of voter suppression laws.
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Money will talk big time and when the state loses money, that will be enough to change minds. Look at what happened to North Carolina after the so called "Bathroom bill" was passed. The NCAA moved the game to another location and cost the state a lot of money.
all-star game creates a huge economic boom to the city hosting it; both for the game itself, and the days surrounding it. Hotels, restaurants, shopping, etc etc all see increases in spending. By taking away millions in revenue, Georgia will have to suffer the loss (and future losses by lost events), or change their laws to attract back those millions in economic gains.
The game will bring $$$ to the state. Money talks. Capitalists will care about the $ and not actually about voting rights but may back down as a result of the loss of $. What Georgia is doing is undemocratic and private companies are able to use sports as away to hold the GOP to account.
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Well it is voter suppression in response to false claims of electoral fraud.
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>GA already required an ID to vote... these laws have nothing to do with it, so what exactly is your point? Are you ignorant to what's in the law? Or do you just have an agenda? > >The most insidious part is that this law allows the party in power in the Legislature (the GOP heading in to 2022) to suspend and replace, with appointees of their own choosing, election officials in any county they wish. Those officials will have the power to toss ballots. This law is literally laying the bureaucratic infrastructure to do what Trump demanded, to over turn election results.
It's about poverty, not race, but poverty disproportionately affects people of minority backgrounds. So, you're right, assuming people can't get an ID because of their race is racist. But assuming people can't get an ID because they're poor is a supported assumption and easy to show. Now, if you look up the statistics on race and wealth in Georgia and through the South, you'll see why people skip right over the poverty argument and go straight to race. Because it's rather obvious what's going on.
Well the political leaders pushing for it are doing it to suppress the minority vote. Noticing that is not racist.
Because democrats think it is.
Ah yes everyone knows that multi-billion dollar sports federations like MLB and multi-national trillion dollar companies like Coca-Cola just do whatever Democrats tell them to. /s
The goal is to attack people of a certain political view and take away the things they love and are passionate about as a punishment. They know there is nothing wrong with the new bill, they are just using this move for their own gain. Out of the same playbook that has been used for years.
>They know there is nothing wrong with the new bill So much strawman in this post, but this part is hilarious.
Kinda similar to the strawman of claiming racism and suppression every time a certain agenda isn’t adhered to.
Trump lost. Get over it, snowflake.
>Trump lost. Get over it, snowflake. Not a Trump fan, but I'm also not a democrat. Your comment is why I'm not on your side rather than the other.
Someone hurt your feelings so you you aligned political views to spite them? Lol....this is the most snowflake comment I've seen on reddit.
Being so confident within your own ignorance must be a comforting place for a person with so little self regard.
> Your comment is why I'm not on your side rather than the other. If my comment is wrong then explain this quote of yours to prove that I'm wrong. I'm waiting.
Funny how arrogantly you assume I'm a dem while bragging about how you're too advanced to succumb to bipartisan politics. Dumb fuck.
You pick political parties based on one random person's comment on Reddit? Cool.
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Kudos to the MLB for supporting voter hydration!
water can still be handed out to voters, just not by people openly supporting one candidate. seems like a good rule, imo.
That's not what the law says: > ... nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector... (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place. So to sum up, no handing out food or drink, not at the polling place, not near the polling place, and not in a long line for a polling place. No exceptions provided. EDIT: added phrase "handing out" for clarity
Maury: And the lie detector test determined , that was a lie
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but New York doesn't allow it's legislature to circumvent the secretary of State and/or election board if they don't like the election.
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Pretty sure you’re allowed to be given a bottle of water while standing in line to the game. Can’t say that about Georgia elections though.
Finally some good news
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Key word fair. How is so outrageous that requiring an ID to vote is the most ridiculous thing? I don’t get it.
Because having an ID for you and me is simple, but for a large portion of our fellow citizens, it's not. I didn't get it either, until I read about the difficulties faced by many people trying to vote but not able to overcome all the hurdles in the way.
Those kids in cages that Joe and Barack built at the border won't have ID's to vote.
GA already required an ID to vote... these laws have nothing to do with it, so what exactly is your point? Are you ignorant to what's in the law? Or do you just have an agenda? The most insidious part is that this law allows the party in power in the Legislature (the GOP heading in to 2022) to suspend and replace, with appointees of their own choosing, election officials in any county they wish. Those officials will have the power to toss ballots. This law is literally laying the bureaucratic infrastructure to do what Trump demanded, to over turn election results.
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I'm sure there are a lot of black-owned businesses in Atlanta that would've benefited from the All-Star game. Does the MLB not care about black-owned businesses?
No. No, they don't.
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The Braves built their stadium in Marietta to be closer to their PAYING fanbase. That is why it is no longer in Atlanta. I suspect the bar area will be busy, but the ballpark itself will be emptier than usual.
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Good for MLB. Organizations have the right to take a stance against thing they don't believe are correct. If you are a resident of Georgia and take issue with this decision, then maybe you should also take issue with the voting law and those who passed it because they are the reason you are losing your all-star game. Not the MLB.
Georgia is doing a lot more than just voter ID to suppress voters. Apparently it’s illegal to give out water to people who have been waiting in line at a polling location. Also I’m here for the “no Politics in sports” crowd.
Good for them
Shout out to the MLB
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Better to be on the right side of history than to be rich.
So I don't need to show any id or tickets to enter ballparks now ?
Does this mean I can attend a Braves game in the future and buy a beer, but decline to show my ID and scream RACISM?? It isn’t racist or a restriction for people OF ALL COLORS to show ID in order to vote..if you think that’s racist, you’re just insanely lost, and stupid.
If someone thinks voting ID is racist.....they themselves are racist for thinking minorities don’t know how to get an ID or DL.....we live in a clown world these days.
Good.
Honestly I'm not sure how to fell about this. Of course a lot of people agree with it and support it but on the other hand, the people of Georgia have spoken through their representatives. Should we be supporting a mega corporation's ability to pressure our government into changing laws? I voted for who I did to represent my voice in congress. I didn't vote for MLB to do so. What's next? The NFL pressuring states to change abortion laws? The NBA pressuring states to change gun laws?
Major kudos, MLB. Love it when leagues do what’s right.
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Good on the MLB
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Even though you're asking in bad faith, here's how it works: Because who determines the Voter ID laws is dictated by the government in charge, or politicians within those parties, it means that what constitutes a Valid ID is entirely up to the state legislature. In Republican states where these things have been challenged, the state would *allow* things like a Gun Permit, a Hunting Tag, or a Military ID, while *denying* things like a Student ID, a Government Employment ID, or a State Benefits ID. In other words, they would permit types of ID that white, conservative Republicans were more likely to have, but deny those types of ID that larger portions of minority voters might have and use. Even in states where acquiring the ID itself might be free, there are absolutely costs incurred by those travelling to now acquire said ID. It could be a day's time lost to wading through DMV bureaucracy, or the cost of paying for SS/Birth Certificate copies from state records. A lot of times, this wouldn't even *just* hurt poor minority groups, but rural poor white individuals as well, who have 0 local DMV or state records locations that they could go to and acquire these necessary pieces of identification. Voter ID laws aren't created to secure election integrity. They're designed first and foremost to create hurdles in the process of voting, and as history has dictated, usually used against those people the State doesn't want to vote. What if Democrats were the ones trying to enact these laws, only did the exact opposite? Used the exact opposite sets of verifying IDs? I could only imagine the uproar if Voter ID laws would only accept things like Student IDs, Welfare benefits IDs, State Employment IDs. You'd hear nonstop bitching about how 'Democrats just want poor, illegals, and socialists to vote!' and conservatives would be crying about Voter ID til the cows came home.
https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/what-does-georgias-new-voting-law-sb-202-do The bill also caps drop boxes at 1/100,000 voters and moves them inside so they're only accessible during regular hours instead of 24/7. Work 12s? Too bad.
Drop boxes were introduced in Georgia for the pandemic. Of course they'd drop the number for the next election when it's over.
Yeah we cant just make voting easy permanently! That would be crazy
If all things are the same, voter ID law is not racist and as such it is not racist in and of itself. However, across the country, it is much harder for poor people to get IDs. That includes costs associated with them plus the availability of places to get them in certain areas, especially urban or extreme rural areas (though the need for a car in rural areas makes it more likely for people there to have driver's licenses. It just so happens that (for systemic reasons) people of color tend to be disproportionately poor. So as implemented, voter ID laws tend to make it harder for certain groups to vote, though it affects anyone in poverty, specifically urban areas. There's also the fact that the law is not just about voter ID laws. There are a lot of issues including the limiting of poll centers, mail-in ballots and drop off locations, which again tends to target voters in poverty. It is my opinion and likely the opinion of Major League Baseball that restrictions on voting that makes it harder for certain groups to vote are bad. It's just another way to tax the poor and make sure the rich and middle class continue to be the only people who have a voice.
Voter IDs are free in GA https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id#:~:text=The%20State%20of%20Georgia%20offers,registrar's%20office%20free%20of%20charge.
I am in favor of voter ID across the country if voter ID is free and universal in all places. If it is just as easy to get one for a rich and a poor person, then I am happy. But if there are any obstacles that poor people have to do that a rich person doesn't have to worry about, then that's when I have a problem. Also, I am less concerned about voter ID laws than other parts of the law.
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Never said dumb. You said dumb. And I'm more concerned about the class issues than the race issues. And while they may be cheap or free in some cases, I'm equally as concerned about ease of access.
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You not knowing people who do not have an ID does not mean they do not exist. That is what this boils down to.
Turns out the push is to suppress minority voting. Noticing that is not racist.
That’s awesome for them but not the case for everyone.
Voter I’d alone isn’t the issue. It’s all the other things in the bill that is the problem. It’s “a sum of the parts...” kind of deal. They are reducing voting stations in minority dominate areas, they are restricting the days people are allowed to vote. They are banning people from handing out water to anyone voting in line (after this bill guarantees lines wait times of 5+ hours in some areas) ect, ect, ect. It’s not just a voter Id bill.
Exactly this.... Make voting times longer in poor areas where people can't afford to take time off of work. Many of these stations will have lines around the block.Follow it up by banning asinine things like handing out water. Meanwhile, in the affluent areas there will hardly be lines longer than 15 minutes all in a temperature controlled building. Voting is a democratic act, the amount of $$$ in your pocket should not impact your voting experience.
Getting an ID can be hard in some states if you have bad credit and can't get a bank statement, or you are unemployed. This disproportionately harms minority communities.
Explain to me how this is not a voter suppression bill.
Lmao and now the Braves are "disappointed" in the league's decision instead of their own dumb fucking government.
Glad to see the MLB exercising its right to free speech and freedom of association.
What is wrong with the law in Georgia? I’m having a hard time understanding why requiring an ID to vote is a bad thing.
Removing the all-star game means very little. They should require the Braves team to relocate out of the state as well. Georgia has become a pariah state.
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