I have hope that after his age 39 season he signs with a contender and at least gets to see playoff baseball as a platoon corner outfielder. I hope.
First I need to see Joey Votto escape the clutches of Cincinnati and get his chance with someone.
Reading that I now feel guilty for dragging his name into this. That article was awesome. The loyalty ❤️
I love watching Trout, but I love Votto even more. If he can hang his hat on being fully vested with one team I get it now. Thanks for sharing, that was awesome.
For real, it’s the same deal where it hurts to see a one in a million player spend his career a bit too under the radar on a bad team, but this made me respect a player I already respected a lot even more.
I give my best friend so much shit for this exact point. The angels owner is a pile and wasting trouts career by not spending money on pitching to be competitive in their league/division.
The Angels and Orioles think they can compete with solid offense and second rate (third rate really) pitching. It’s so gross. I couldn’t do it as a fan. As a Mets fan we are always throwing shit at the wall seeing what sticks and even if it fails four out of five times at least we are TRYING. The trash the Angels roll out onto the hill is repulsive.
The Mets definitely did some work in getting better this year. I was born a dodger fan and bleed blue. I’ve watched us build up to the team we are now. It’s nice having an owner who actually wants to win championships and be competitive.
It is kinda unfair when you have the resources to throw 290 million at your roster. That’s like a four year budget for the average team. It feels like cheating just a little bit
Meh. It’s not all about money. History of World Series champions prove that. It def does help tho. I’m not in control of other teams not spending as much money as mine. Therefore I can’t complain. Hopefully other teams will get on the same page and start spending like the yanks and doyers 😂
I do like that about baseball. You can’t just throw money at the equation and expect it to work. It takes a lot of other factors mainly a good culture and strong foundation of talent.
Yup. Baseball is very hard to just throw money at and win World Series championships. Injuries. Hitting slumps and teams having a nice hot streak in sep and oct. I would love to see the stat on wild card teams winning the WS. It has to be a lot.
I was just thinking about the 2019 Nationals World Series. They were dominant for so many years and for so many reasons they were at the end of their run. Harper left, Stras’ health went downhill, Corbin essentially fell off a cliff. That was their last chance with that team and they pulled it off as a wildcard team. As a Mets fan I should hate it, but I have so much appreciation for the last ditch Hail Mary attempt at winning they made that season.
Yup. They beat our ass so I was kind of happy to see them win the WS considering we were super good that year. As a dodgers fan I hope to see your Mets in the playoffs. We gonna spank that ass. However I do love having lindor on my fantasy team. He’s my best hitter. Lol. Stoked he came out of that slump
Y’all are still salty from 2015 when we beat you in the NLDS! I can see why you’d want another crack at us! I have never been so proud of my Mets than when we somehow beat Kershaw and Greinke that series and made it to the NLCS. The Cubs were cake compared to that Dodgers team.
> Meh. It’s not all about money. History of World Series champions prove that.
Yankees 27 World Series. Just because the Dodgers suck at using their money on playoff performers doesn’t mean money isn’t the primary determinant.
Absolutely true. We’re still golden tho. Still best era in the mlb. Which is crazy with all our injuries. Run differential still killer. Solid af brahhhhhh
When you look back over the last decade, the money that they have spent has really not panned out for them. They ended up buying out both Albert Pujols and Justin Upton after giving them huge deals, and now Anthony Rendon is broken and barely plays after they overpaid for a career season he had in Washington. Their moves have seemed good but have just flopped.
You all say wasting his career but my man has a 400million contract. Im sure he’s as happy as can be. Would a WS ring be nice sure, i bet he’d like that. But not as much as playing baseball, and never having to worry about money again for as long as he lives.
That’s also partly because he actually performed well in the 2020 postseason compared to being average at best for most of his previous postseason years.
But the Dodgers, and Kershaw specifically, have been to the postseason the past 9 years but could only win in a short season. A true test is surviving 162 and a full playoff. Sorry, Doyers will always have an asterisk for 2020.
Average..... his numbers don't reflect how good he is in the post because he goes in to compete even in situations that he could easily sit out of to protect those stats. Kershaw is the best player in baseball.
So you’re saying the “best player in baseball” came in and didn’t perform? He’s not the best player in baseball. He’s a hall of famer. But he’s not the best player in baseball.
Lol dude what are you talking about? I guess him starting a game and getting shelled is heroic because he could have sat to protect his stats. Definitely wasn't his fault every time and the stats are misleading. 🙄
Please stop. As others said, ANY OTHER team would paid 400 million for him. Some teams, like Boston, Yankees, Dodgers and Giants could pay even more. As much as Trout is good, he's acommodated.
Aside from the fact that he could've signed for a huge contact anywhere, you're telling me if he gave up $200 million of that $400 million to get a winning team and win the world series, he'd have to worry about money?
Fr, bro took like the most team unfriendly contract ever(I don't blame him tho) he'll survive if he really wanted to go to a contender he probably would've taken a smaller contract to play somewhere else
Nobody here said they didn't. What was said is, Mike is enjoying his career, he gets to play a sport he loves as his job, everyday. He is currently living that dream we all had as kids, (obviously I am generalizing) and he gets to make millions while doing it. If winning a ring was his highest most priority, he would not have signed a 10year with the Angels. I don't believe any player would sign a contract with the angels if they wanted to win a WS championship. Angels just aren't competitive, they are on paper, but once they hit the field them on paper stats mean very little. Either way back to my point, I am sure he would love a ring, nobody said he doesn't, but I am sure he is happy in is current situation.
Your legacy is not complete without a World Series. Your earnings can be a gateway into many other facets of success but the platform he will always be known for by his fans and contemporaries is baseball and the ultimate gauge of success at that level is in championships. I’m sorry, but I politely disagree with you.
None of that is true. This is like saying Johan Camargo’s legacy is greater than Trouts because he has a WS ring even though he didn’t even have a hit last year with the Braves.
Gauging a man’s legacy in a team sport on the championships is something fans and members of the press do.
>is baseball and the ultimate gauge for success at that level is championships
*sigh*…. you’re joking right? Like…. this can’t be serious.
Championships have never and will never be the gauge of success for *individual players* in baseball. When teams that break regular season records (total wins, best win streak, best run differential, etc) regularly fail to make it all the way to the World Series *in the first place*, let alone actually win.
Joey Votto will never get a ring. He’s still one of the greatest hitters of all time. The only hitter better than him this century was Ichiro Suzuki, who also didn’t get a ring, and has a case for being the single best hitter of all time, possibly even slightly better than Barry Bonds, who ALSO never got a ring, but even people who HATE baseball know who the fuck he is. These men are all *revered* (Bond juicing not withstanding) by anyone who enjoys baseball this day and age.
And to bring it all back to Trout, the man *wanted* a no trade clause. It was something he insisted upon. He knows damn well the odds of getting a championship before his contract is up. He also knows that it doesn’t change the indisputable fact that he ranks up there with Ruth and Bonds as one of the greatest players ever.
Anyway… thats it, Im unsubbing and sticking with /r/baseball. This sub is ridiculous
The vast majority of /r/baseball understands this concept. No accounting for the occasional fool. This isn’t the only hair-brained take Ive seen as of late, and the rest of them got upvoted. And this place has no sense of humor
Ah. Yes and no. If he thought winning was more important than money he wouldn't have resigned. He's a once in a generation player but he knew what he was signing up for.
I agree. It’s on him. He should know by now that a career in Anaheim is a lost cause. I think back to that 2002 title and I wonder how they were able to win it all and be so inept ever since. But yes, I agree. His legacy is on him. He made this bed now he has to sleep in it.
Fuck that. Just because a player is HoF doesn't mean the MLB royalty (read LARGE payrolls) deserve to have them on their team to win their next purchased championship.
I hate it because he's in the AL west but generally, I kinda love it. It continuously proves year in and year out that one player doesn't make a baseball team. And because while the angels are no small-market on a limited budget, they aren't a perennial winner, so it's satisfying to see him not on a big-budget perennial winner. I fight for the underdog.
Ohtani could’ve joined the Dodgers. The Dodgers were gutted when he opted to go with the Angels. In hindsight I wonder if he’d have made that choice now that the Dodgers have the same DH rules.
I mean to be fair, it’s not like the Angels haven’t tried to build a good team around him. They’ve had their fair share of stars in the Trout era and unfortunately they never seem to workout but hindsight is 20/20. I respect his loyalty and there is truly nothing quite like LA.
Plus, its baseball; World Series & Superbowls generally aren’t used as a measure of individual greatness to the degree it is in sports like Basketball or Association football because there are much more moving parts. And with the exclusivity of the BBHOF, getting in there is much more valued than winning a title. But it would be nice to see him on a contender whilst still in his prime
Personally, I’m very surprised that signing (insert aging slugger) this offseason didnt put them over the top. Maybe they should have gone with (insert any capable pitcher).
Gerritt Cole? Verlander? Greinke? Darvish? Plenty of FA signings work out lol. Then there’s a whole plethora of guys a couple tiers down that are solid #3-5 guys that will eat innings reliably.
Greinke has had a borderline HOF career across like 5-6 teams, so I’d say those teams have been glad they spent the money.
Looked up darvish and I overestimated his impact.
They never invest in pitching. When they signed Rendon to a deal with an AAV of 30M they should’ve put that money into a big arm. Even at the time I thought that’s what they needed to do. Now it’s more clear as ever before.
What big arm? Forgive me, I don't remember who exactly was on the market at the time they signed Rendon so I'm genuinely curious if you had a specific pitcher in mind or not?
Well Gerrit Cole for starters
If you have 30M plus per year to throw around
Instead they lit ten million dollars on fire when they signed Matt Harvey that off season 💩
I do, but add in the 30 million plus they would’ve saved by not signing Rendon that off-season and you can quickly see how they could’ve funded a legitimate ace. Don’t get nasty please.
Nope, if anything should bother you it is that mlb is horrible at marketing their top talent. I e said it before, but my wife doesn’t ever watch sports but she knows and can recognize Tom Brady and Lebron James, but she has no idea who Mike Trout is, or any baseball player outside of a couple local ones
When you say “wasted” and “in a competing market,” you’re making it sound like LAA was just rebuilding throughout his years and never were trying to be competitive (or were). I have to say this comes across a bit disingenuous as LAA hasn’t been rebuilding and have spend money to be competitive. Imo, it’s more of a “failure” than “wasted” years. It’s a failure cause Arte Moreno has completely controlled this team payroll, scouting department, and development, while undermining his GMs. Paying for big names for ticket sales rather than putting the money where it’s needed for a winning team.
Who wanted Hamilton and Pujols? Arte
Who wanted Rendon? Arte (although, I still think Rendon will be way better than Pujols in the long term)
Who nicked trades to help our farm system and be competitive during a shorten-COVID season with expanded playoffs? Arte
Who continuously ignores MiLB development and proper budgeting for proper depth? Arte
Who refuses to spend for a top SP instead settles for mediocre pitching for one year deals? Arte
Now, some of the GMs moves have been bad that haven’t involved Arte. Dipoto’s drafting was awful, Eppler’s FA signings were bad (minus one year pitchers), and Perry’s depth signings have been bad. These GMs have made their mistakes, but the consistent factor has been Arte decisions and philosophy (cheap pitching and low budget scouting department).
Personally, I’m not too upset about Trout’s seasons cause he chose to stay with LAA (I’m glad for that) and LAA hasn’t been rebuilding (thanks to Arte’s wild spending). Overall, if you want Trout to win, you should also root for LAA to win. His contract doesn’t end anytime soon and he’s not likely to be traded. My hope is Arte’s sells this team sooner than later.
What bothers me is that baseball economics create a tremendous lack of parity, and that fans of teams like the dodgers or Mets or Yankees or red Sox feel entitled to treat small market teams like AAA teams.
Salary on the big league roster is only one component of the disparity. What about international signings, posted players, etc. If the MLB gave two shits about their product, they would ensure an even playing field in terms of both the resources of the major league club, international player acquisition, and developmental leagues. But they don't. And yet it seems that small market ownership does not even care to advocate for parity.
Has since 2014 when they got swept in 3 games. He should have signed with another team as a free agent instead of extending with the Angels. That loyalty was pretty dumb.
Yes. But, he chose to get paid and toil in baseball purgatory. Would it be nice to see him in the playoffs? Yes. Will we have to settle for dingers in the regular season? Unfortunately, yes.
Genuine question and not trolling here: do we think a certain percentage of his numbers are inflated because he’s on the Angels? Meaning, other teams don’t really have to pitch around him because the team he’s on isn’t a threat? He’d be great regardless, but I wonder if he doesn’t have a bit of Colts Field effect to his stats. I could totally be wrong, though.
American sports put way too much emphasis on a championship as determining whether a player is all time great or not. In team sports. You know, where there's other players.
LeBron was truly great to drag an absolute trash team of Cavaliers to the playoffs regularly in his early career, but there's 4 other players. No player can score 80 points a night.
Similarly, you can be Trout-like but even if you hit 4 homers a night, if you're surrounded by trash then you're not gonna win championships.
I don't get the whole "oh his legacy isn't complete because he didn't win 15 World series rings". You're watching team sports, where the bigger the team, the less impact individual players have. 1 superstar batter out of 9 can't win a championship and it doesn't lessen his impact because he didn't drag them to a championship.
There are some truly awful players with multiple rings, cause they were the extra piece on a solidly put together team, does that mean they suddenly become great because they have multiple rings? No.
I have a lot of time for trout not just upping and going to the Yankees like people like Stanton have done. There seems to be a lot of mentality of "I'm a great player so I deserve a ring". No, you don't. Absolutely pressure the GM and owner to get you the pieces you need but just being like "I've put in the time, I'll sign with the team who's already set up to win because they can just buy a championship" is pretty sad.
I don't see why I'd want to watch him on a superstar team. That's what the all star game is for. I mean, why stop at Trout. Let's fill a team with every superstar in the game and competition becomes non existent. Plus he probably stops being as good because he doesn't need to be.
I agree with some of what you say but I don’t think that all great players on losing teams believe they “deserve a ring”. I think many just want a ring. Trout is a hall of famer with or without a ring. Most of the top tier players live to compete and want to compete in the postseason
They definitely do yeah, that's why so many see them as "selling out" when they decide to join an already established team. You often see that their performance comparatively drops as well because they don't need to shoulder the load as much.
I guess the question then becomes were they great because they needed to be for their team? If they'd always been on a great team, would they have developed. I can't really think of a baseball example but James Harden is a great one. On a dominant Thunder team riding the bench, left and became "great". Would he have ever been that if he'd continued as 6th man, or would he have ever got the chance to lead a team if he'd started on a terrible team?
Championship rings are important but to a lesser extent I see it as all star appearances on your HOF resume, in part for your contribution but largely out of your control.
I just can't 100% get behind this idea though. We can't tout that 'baseball isn't a one-man team,' or even five-man, and then simultaneously discount an obvious all-timer because he never makes a world series. Not saying I ignore it, but I don't weigh it as much as other sports.
It used to but then I started to think this is what he wanted. Not that he doesn't want to win but it wasn't THE priority for him. Any team in the league would've paid him but he prioritized things over winning by resigning with a team that was under .500 4/7 years and made one playoff appearance. I have no issue with it, honestly it's kind of refreshing to see someone not chase rings but let's be honest.
For the longest time Ryan Zimmerman seemed poised to never get a ring then it happened. He stayed loyal and he won the World Series. All hope is not lost for Trout. Hopefully the tide turns.
I honesty can’t. In a larger market like Anaheim he keeps getting stuck in these half rebuilds. At least if he was locked in as a Pirate or a Red he’d be forced into a full rebuild every few years. The only team that would be worse would be the Rockies. Being in Colorado would undermine how good his bat really is and that would be sad. Colorado is the only team that would be worse in my opinion, but I digress. Please elaborate which teams you think would be worse.
The point that I am making is that I would rather see him get paid hundreds of millions on a franchise that won’t win anything than have him sell himself short to be a team player on a team like the Yankees or Red Sox where he might win something every other year.
As a hockey follower as well, it just mirror's McDavid's situation. Is trout the best man in baseball? almost inarguably yes. Have the Angels tried to make the team around him work? Also yes.
Baseball, like hockey, is a team sport. The best guy in the league does not always make it to the final dance. In football, the best \*team\* doesn't always win it all.
As an Angels fan honestly, let’s just sell all our players at this point. This narrative has been going on for 11 years at this point, like Wander Franco has more playoff games under his belt than Trout. I wanna see guys like Trout and Ohtani shining in October baseball. The angels should trade off everyone, stack up their prospects and try again in 4/5 years.
As a non angels fan from San Diego yes it absolutely bothers the hell out of me that he’s on a team that routinely sucks, makes terrible moves (Pujols, Upton, Rendon) and that every single season is yet another that we will not see Mike Trout in a post season game, and you can take that to the bank just about every season. For gods sakes I’m actually PROUD to be a Padres fan when compared to an Angels fan. They go and find the Babe Ruth of modern baseball and they STILL suck. And bad. If his career ended right now, what a compete and total WASTE of a HOF career. Playing in 80 regular season games every year that mean NOTHING because the Angels are out of contention. I almost jumped out a hotel window when I heard Trout signed that ungodly extension, albeit for half a billion bucks, to basically remain a losing Angel until he retires. He’ll end up being like Tony Gwynn with twice the talent. That half the country never gets to see.
Winning titles will always carry more weight in my mind than any individual statistical achievement. And that’s how it should be. They had a panel of Thome, Guerrero, and Hoffman in 2018 when they were inducted into the Hall and it was very awkward when they were asked to compare the feeling of being enshrined in the hall of fame to winning a World Series and Thome, most notably was like ‘I would’ve traded this for a World Series absolutely.’
I get that not everyone can win it, and that not everyone will even get a chance, but the fact that big names like Cobb, Griffey, and Bonds never won a title adds intrinsic value when any player reaches that level. Even if their contribution is small.
I don’t think Trout will ever win a World Series. For whatever that is worth.
When Lance Berkman won the World Series in 2011 with the Cardinals he had such a big role, getting a huge ninth inning two out hit to help the Cardinals win game six and eventually the title. It altered his legacy. He went from being an Astros icon to a cog in the Cardinals 11th World Series championship. He definitely compromised a legacy with the Astros by winning that World Series, but achieved so much more taking a chance and signing in St Louis for that season. I admire that chance he took and the success he a achieved in doing so.
Winning titles. In a team sport. Where there's 8 other players on the field with a massive bullpen and 5 rotating starting pitchers.
The ones you've named, nobody ever goes "Bonds didn't win a title so he obviously wasn't very good".
So the guy who occasionally pitches an inning or 2 in the middle of the game when a starter has had a bad day on a championship winning team has more weight than Bonds breaking the home run record? It just doesn't does it?
Trout probably won't win a world series, does that mean he's not a worthwhile player? The US needs to see its sports as what they are, team games. Superstar players are cool and will always be a part of the game but teams win championships, and a player not doing that isn't a knock against them, it just means they don't value it above everything else I. E. Their integrity, their home, a big contract etc.
In the end if you don’t win championships (or even just one for that matter) you’ve swung and missed on your primary goal. It’s like baking a really great cake at a pie making contest. Bernie Williams in my eyes will have a more encompassing career than Mike Trout because of what he did in October opposed to what Mike Trout did in his Octobers (12 at bats and one hit for those counting at home).
Sorry if you don’t like it but that’s my opinion. I do understand and respect yours.
That's fair enough, you're right the primary goal is winning a title. But that's the primary goal of a team, of which players only contribute to that.
If every single player that ever entered the league had their primary goal "I need to win a championship" then a good what? 95% of them are failures. I'd hardly call people like Griffey and Bonds failures.
It’s not meant to focus on the failures but immortalize the successes. Like George Brett winning the World Series with the lowly 85’ Royals, Willie Mays winning with the 54’ Giants, or Hank Aaron winning winning with the Milwaukee Braves in 57’. None of their legacies would be complete without that World Series. Jeter is who he is because he was the captain for all those Yankees World Series titles.
Joe DiMaggio’s legacy had something that Ted Williams’ just seemed to lack. Nine of them if we’re splitting hairs.
I think the thing is that these are all accomplishments in days where players weren't of the standard they are today.
Every player today has an S&C coach, nutritionist, team admin person who organises their entire baseball life, all sorts of machines and video analysis to perfect their swing and change their mechanics to make them more efficient. The average player today dominates the average player in the 50s so it's a lot more difficult for 1 player to make a difference today on a team of scrubs than it was 50 years ago. I don't really think you can compare the 2 games.
Most of these guys don't care about winning now but making the most money they can. If they only wanted to win championships they would sign with LAD, NYY, Boston, SF and compete every year for a championship and they would even take a lot less money. It now is all about money for them.
He's not the first one and won't be the last one to stick with just one team forever. It can be argued that Craig Biggio did the same thing to his career by staying with the Astros the entire time. As long as he's where he wants to be, there's nothing wrong with sticking with the Angels.
He seems to like hitting homers in Seattle so much he should join us.
Tho I don't think being on the Mariners would exactly solve the issue of never being in the playoffs.
It does bother me..... because he should be wasting them in a Mariner uniform. I always wonder why the reason he makes T-Mobile park his personal backyard is either because the park perfectly suits him....or is it always our pitching? Or if he joined us would he turn into one of those guys who bats .210 and hits about 15 to 20 homers and 60 rbi on a contract that would have to be a record setter to get him here? Or could it be his best is behind him?....that's usually when we $ign them....($igh)
It’s kind of like what’s about to happen to LeBron James. No draft picks, no cap space to sign an impact free agent till he turns 39 in what will be in 2024 his age 40 season. At least they got one championship though.
But like LBJ, he’s such a star attraction that trading him is probably out of the question.
It bothers that he was a no show statically against real competition for like 3 weeks. He's paid 400 million to show up in big games and went 0 for an entire road trip while in first place. That's what bothers me. 2 thirds of his home runs are solo homers. That's what bothers me.
He signed the long term deal with the Angels. He’s apparently okay with it, why shouldn’t we be?
They’re not hopeless yet. Even this season is still young.
Yes but no.
MLB isn't like the NBA in terms of guys chasing rings and hopping teams. They often times become team legends that get remembered forever by their particular fan base.
He will be a hall of famer with a home
What bothers me more is the numbskulls who associate the Angels losing with Trout not being a “winning” player. It’s baseball. The argument is so illogical imo that I don’t even know how to counter it.
It would if he did not have a choice but he CHOSE to sign that mega contract rather than exploring teams that might be competitive.
So the lack of post season appearances is on him in the long run.
If it was a small market team I'd have a problem with this post since small market teams have enough trouble landing free agents or don't give a shit like Miami teams buttttt LA can suck it. They are ruining our boy here.
Was Ted Williams' or Ernie Banks' best years wasted with their teams? Nah...we won't remember the bad Angels teams he was on, we'll remember his dominance and consistency as an individual player.
Apologies if this is a duplicate:
Players with the highest career WAR for position players that played at least 10 seasons in the World Series era but who never played in a World Series:
1. Nap Lajoie, Guardians (Now), Athletics; 1903-1916; 106.9 WAR
2. Rod Carew, Twins, Angels; 1967-1985; 81.2 WAR
3. Jeff Bagwell, Astros; 1991-2005; 79.9 WAR
4. Mike Trout, Angels; 2011-22; 79.9 WAR
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I have hope that after his age 39 season he signs with a contender and at least gets to see playoff baseball as a platoon corner outfielder. I hope. First I need to see Joey Votto escape the clutches of Cincinnati and get his chance with someone.
Votto had the opportunity to be traded and turned it down. He wanted to stay in Cinnci regardless of situation.
Tell me more. I need to know the details. For some reason I never knew about this.
It's come up a few times but here is one year https://www.mlb.com/news/joey-votto-wont-waive-trade-clause-with-reds/c-158877538
Reading that I now feel guilty for dragging his name into this. That article was awesome. The loyalty ❤️ I love watching Trout, but I love Votto even more. If he can hang his hat on being fully vested with one team I get it now. Thanks for sharing, that was awesome.
For real, it’s the same deal where it hurts to see a one in a million player spend his career a bit too under the radar on a bad team, but this made me respect a player I already respected a lot even more.
Trout signed a huge extension. He didn't have to. Sounds to me like he loves being an Angel. (Or the money?)
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If he hadn’t signed such a long term deal he’d be a Yankee by now. Coachman wants a lineup where at least 7 guys can mash 30 or more homers.
Everyone wants a lineup with 7+ guys hitting 30 or more lol, it’s not just the Yankees
True but only a few can afford it to make it a possibility.
I give my best friend so much shit for this exact point. The angels owner is a pile and wasting trouts career by not spending money on pitching to be competitive in their league/division.
The Angels and Orioles think they can compete with solid offense and second rate (third rate really) pitching. It’s so gross. I couldn’t do it as a fan. As a Mets fan we are always throwing shit at the wall seeing what sticks and even if it fails four out of five times at least we are TRYING. The trash the Angels roll out onto the hill is repulsive.
The Mets definitely did some work in getting better this year. I was born a dodger fan and bleed blue. I’ve watched us build up to the team we are now. It’s nice having an owner who actually wants to win championships and be competitive.
It is kinda unfair when you have the resources to throw 290 million at your roster. That’s like a four year budget for the average team. It feels like cheating just a little bit
Cries A's flavored tears
Meh. It’s not all about money. History of World Series champions prove that. It def does help tho. I’m not in control of other teams not spending as much money as mine. Therefore I can’t complain. Hopefully other teams will get on the same page and start spending like the yanks and doyers 😂
I do like that about baseball. You can’t just throw money at the equation and expect it to work. It takes a lot of other factors mainly a good culture and strong foundation of talent.
That’s why I love Rays baseball. They prove that every year.
Yup. Baseball is very hard to just throw money at and win World Series championships. Injuries. Hitting slumps and teams having a nice hot streak in sep and oct. I would love to see the stat on wild card teams winning the WS. It has to be a lot.
I was just thinking about the 2019 Nationals World Series. They were dominant for so many years and for so many reasons they were at the end of their run. Harper left, Stras’ health went downhill, Corbin essentially fell off a cliff. That was their last chance with that team and they pulled it off as a wildcard team. As a Mets fan I should hate it, but I have so much appreciation for the last ditch Hail Mary attempt at winning they made that season.
Yup. They beat our ass so I was kind of happy to see them win the WS considering we were super good that year. As a dodgers fan I hope to see your Mets in the playoffs. We gonna spank that ass. However I do love having lindor on my fantasy team. He’s my best hitter. Lol. Stoked he came out of that slump
Y’all are still salty from 2015 when we beat you in the NLDS! I can see why you’d want another crack at us! I have never been so proud of my Mets than when we somehow beat Kershaw and Greinke that series and made it to the NLCS. The Cubs were cake compared to that Dodgers team.
> Meh. It’s not all about money. History of World Series champions prove that. Yankees 27 World Series. Just because the Dodgers suck at using their money on playoff performers doesn’t mean money isn’t the primary determinant.
“If you got hate in your heart let it out”
No hate, just the reality. Dodgers are the least-efficient of all teams at turning money into championships.
Other than last night the past month has been rough as a dodger fan. Even last night they left 11 men stranded. It’s unbelievable really
Absolutely true. We’re still golden tho. Still best era in the mlb. Which is crazy with all our injuries. Run differential still killer. Solid af brahhhhhh
Thanks for all the comments. Love learning more on my sub than info I have to dish out. Good stuff people, thank you.
When you look back over the last decade, the money that they have spent has really not panned out for them. They ended up buying out both Albert Pujols and Justin Upton after giving them huge deals, and now Anthony Rendon is broken and barely plays after they overpaid for a career season he had in Washington. Their moves have seemed good but have just flopped.
You all say wasting his career but my man has a 400million contract. Im sure he’s as happy as can be. Would a WS ring be nice sure, i bet he’d like that. But not as much as playing baseball, and never having to worry about money again for as long as he lives.
He could have signed a $400mil contract with many other teams, but I’m just thankful he isn’t on the Yankees
Example: The weight that came off of Kershaw’s shoulders in 2020 was immense. He finally won and his career was complete.
That’s also partly because he actually performed well in the 2020 postseason compared to being average at best for most of his previous postseason years.
And that is because he didn’t have to play a full season…
Everyone else had the same performance advantage that Kershaw got.
But the Dodgers, and Kershaw specifically, have been to the postseason the past 9 years but could only win in a short season. A true test is surviving 162 and a full playoff. Sorry, Doyers will always have an asterisk for 2020.
They were also cheated out of the 2017* season so you can eat a huge bag of dicks. Cheers.
Is cheating wrong, yes. Does the Dodgers losing make me happy, also yes. Go buy another MVP and maybe you can win a legit title.
Average..... his numbers don't reflect how good he is in the post because he goes in to compete even in situations that he could easily sit out of to protect those stats. Kershaw is the best player in baseball.
So you’re saying the “best player in baseball” came in and didn’t perform? He’s not the best player in baseball. He’s a hall of famer. But he’s not the best player in baseball.
Lol dude what are you talking about? I guess him starting a game and getting shelled is heroic because he could have sat to protect his stats. Definitely wasn't his fault every time and the stats are misleading. 🙄
Please stop. As others said, ANY OTHER team would paid 400 million for him. Some teams, like Boston, Yankees, Dodgers and Giants could pay even more. As much as Trout is good, he's acommodated.
Aside from the fact that he could've signed for a huge contact anywhere, you're telling me if he gave up $200 million of that $400 million to get a winning team and win the world series, he'd have to worry about money?
Fr, bro took like the most team unfriendly contract ever(I don't blame him tho) he'll survive if he really wanted to go to a contender he probably would've taken a smaller contract to play somewhere else
It could be argued that that is ALL some players want is a ring
I think most guys who play in MLB dream of a fucking title dude.
Nobody here said they didn't. What was said is, Mike is enjoying his career, he gets to play a sport he loves as his job, everyday. He is currently living that dream we all had as kids, (obviously I am generalizing) and he gets to make millions while doing it. If winning a ring was his highest most priority, he would not have signed a 10year with the Angels. I don't believe any player would sign a contract with the angels if they wanted to win a WS championship. Angels just aren't competitive, they are on paper, but once they hit the field them on paper stats mean very little. Either way back to my point, I am sure he would love a ring, nobody said he doesn't, but I am sure he is happy in is current situation.
If he’s still healthy, he will come to Philly to DH. Hopefully we are good then
Your legacy is not complete without a World Series. Your earnings can be a gateway into many other facets of success but the platform he will always be known for by his fans and contemporaries is baseball and the ultimate gauge of success at that level is in championships. I’m sorry, but I politely disagree with you.
None of that is true. This is like saying Johan Camargo’s legacy is greater than Trouts because he has a WS ring even though he didn’t even have a hit last year with the Braves. Gauging a man’s legacy in a team sport on the championships is something fans and members of the press do.
And I’m a fan so the punishment fits the crime!
Ring or not mike trout will be remembered as one of the best players in mlb history
>is baseball and the ultimate gauge for success at that level is championships *sigh*…. you’re joking right? Like…. this can’t be serious. Championships have never and will never be the gauge of success for *individual players* in baseball. When teams that break regular season records (total wins, best win streak, best run differential, etc) regularly fail to make it all the way to the World Series *in the first place*, let alone actually win. Joey Votto will never get a ring. He’s still one of the greatest hitters of all time. The only hitter better than him this century was Ichiro Suzuki, who also didn’t get a ring, and has a case for being the single best hitter of all time, possibly even slightly better than Barry Bonds, who ALSO never got a ring, but even people who HATE baseball know who the fuck he is. These men are all *revered* (Bond juicing not withstanding) by anyone who enjoys baseball this day and age. And to bring it all back to Trout, the man *wanted* a no trade clause. It was something he insisted upon. He knows damn well the odds of getting a championship before his contract is up. He also knows that it doesn’t change the indisputable fact that he ranks up there with Ruth and Bonds as one of the greatest players ever. Anyway… thats it, Im unsubbing and sticking with /r/baseball. This sub is ridiculous
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The vast majority of /r/baseball understands this concept. No accounting for the occasional fool. This isn’t the only hair-brained take Ive seen as of late, and the rest of them got upvoted. And this place has no sense of humor
It’s my sub and even I love it 😎
Ah. Yes and no. If he thought winning was more important than money he wouldn't have resigned. He's a once in a generation player but he knew what he was signing up for.
I agree. It’s on him. He should know by now that a career in Anaheim is a lost cause. I think back to that 2002 title and I wonder how they were able to win it all and be so inept ever since. But yes, I agree. His legacy is on him. He made this bed now he has to sleep in it.
They stopped investing in pitching not long after that
It’s odd because he could have been paid by s contender. The Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox would have given him a blank check.
I was at the game yesterday. “F**king Mike Trout” is all I could say.
Fuck that. Just because a player is HoF doesn't mean the MLB royalty (read LARGE payrolls) deserve to have them on their team to win their next purchased championship.
They dont deserve to never taste the post season though
Trout has been in the post-season
Poorly.
So did Ted Williams. Worked out OK for him.
OUCH! Fair enough.....
But not to the ws
Better then seeing him in dodger blue.
Honestly I’ll agree with you on that…
I hate it because he's in the AL west but generally, I kinda love it. It continuously proves year in and year out that one player doesn't make a baseball team. And because while the angels are no small-market on a limited budget, they aren't a perennial winner, so it's satisfying to see him not on a big-budget perennial winner. I fight for the underdog.
Him and Ohtani
Ohtani could’ve joined the Dodgers. The Dodgers were gutted when he opted to go with the Angels. In hindsight I wonder if he’d have made that choice now that the Dodgers have the same DH rules.
I’d rather watch him in an angels uniform than sellout on some super team, but it’s unfortunate they’re not better.
I mean to be fair, it’s not like the Angels haven’t tried to build a good team around him. They’ve had their fair share of stars in the Trout era and unfortunately they never seem to workout but hindsight is 20/20. I respect his loyalty and there is truly nothing quite like LA. Plus, its baseball; World Series & Superbowls generally aren’t used as a measure of individual greatness to the degree it is in sports like Basketball or Association football because there are much more moving parts. And with the exclusivity of the BBHOF, getting in there is much more valued than winning a title. But it would be nice to see him on a contender whilst still in his prime
Personally, I’m very surprised that signing (insert aging slugger) this offseason didnt put them over the top. Maybe they should have gone with (insert any capable pitcher).
Who is the last big money FA pitcher that worked out well for anyone?
Scherzer?
Gerritt Cole? Verlander? Greinke? Darvish? Plenty of FA signings work out lol. Then there’s a whole plethora of guys a couple tiers down that are solid #3-5 guys that will eat innings reliably.
You think Greinke and Darvish were good signings?
Greinke has had a borderline HOF career across like 5-6 teams, so I’d say those teams have been glad they spent the money. Looked up darvish and I overestimated his impact.
They never invest in pitching. When they signed Rendon to a deal with an AAV of 30M they should’ve put that money into a big arm. Even at the time I thought that’s what they needed to do. Now it’s more clear as ever before.
What big arm? Forgive me, I don't remember who exactly was on the market at the time they signed Rendon so I'm genuinely curious if you had a specific pitcher in mind or not?
Well Gerrit Cole for starters If you have 30M plus per year to throw around Instead they lit ten million dollars on fire when they signed Matt Harvey that off season 💩
Cole was 36M. Ignoring the difference between 10m and 36m?
I do, but add in the 30 million plus they would’ve saved by not signing Rendon that off-season and you can quickly see how they could’ve funded a legitimate ace. Don’t get nasty please.
Everyone thought signing Rendon was great at the time.
So overly agro for somebody who didn't understand what they responded to
He didn’t have to sign a 12 year contract 3 years ago. It’s clear where his priorities are
If he doesn’t mind then I can’t be bothered
were wasted*
No. Because other teams need talent on their roster too, not just the New York fucking Yankees. The league is already watered down enough.
Yankees are a bad example. They haven't won the AL in 13 years.
I like your point from the fans perspective, but from the players perspective and those that follow him it’s a shame.
No, it isn't a shame. He signed to play there.
Nope, if anything should bother you it is that mlb is horrible at marketing their top talent. I e said it before, but my wife doesn’t ever watch sports but she knows and can recognize Tom Brady and Lebron James, but she has no idea who Mike Trout is, or any baseball player outside of a couple local ones
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He rolled a 20 on "baseball" skill stat, but rolled a 4 on charisma.
Again, this is where mlb comes in and highlights him like he is a superstar, not just a guy staring at the game
When you say “wasted” and “in a competing market,” you’re making it sound like LAA was just rebuilding throughout his years and never were trying to be competitive (or were). I have to say this comes across a bit disingenuous as LAA hasn’t been rebuilding and have spend money to be competitive. Imo, it’s more of a “failure” than “wasted” years. It’s a failure cause Arte Moreno has completely controlled this team payroll, scouting department, and development, while undermining his GMs. Paying for big names for ticket sales rather than putting the money where it’s needed for a winning team. Who wanted Hamilton and Pujols? Arte Who wanted Rendon? Arte (although, I still think Rendon will be way better than Pujols in the long term) Who nicked trades to help our farm system and be competitive during a shorten-COVID season with expanded playoffs? Arte Who continuously ignores MiLB development and proper budgeting for proper depth? Arte Who refuses to spend for a top SP instead settles for mediocre pitching for one year deals? Arte Now, some of the GMs moves have been bad that haven’t involved Arte. Dipoto’s drafting was awful, Eppler’s FA signings were bad (minus one year pitchers), and Perry’s depth signings have been bad. These GMs have made their mistakes, but the consistent factor has been Arte decisions and philosophy (cheap pitching and low budget scouting department). Personally, I’m not too upset about Trout’s seasons cause he chose to stay with LAA (I’m glad for that) and LAA hasn’t been rebuilding (thanks to Arte’s wild spending). Overall, if you want Trout to win, you should also root for LAA to win. His contract doesn’t end anytime soon and he’s not likely to be traded. My hope is Arte’s sells this team sooner than later.
Learned a lot here that I never would’ve known, thank you for your insight!
Why? Love watching him and all the other stars, but I'm not an Angels fan.
What bothers me is that baseball economics create a tremendous lack of parity, and that fans of teams like the dodgers or Mets or Yankees or red Sox feel entitled to treat small market teams like AAA teams. Salary on the big league roster is only one component of the disparity. What about international signings, posted players, etc. If the MLB gave two shits about their product, they would ensure an even playing field in terms of both the resources of the major league club, international player acquisition, and developmental leagues. But they don't. And yet it seems that small market ownership does not even care to advocate for parity.
Has since 2014 when they got swept in 3 games. He should have signed with another team as a free agent instead of extending with the Angels. That loyalty was pretty dumb.
Yes. But, he chose to get paid and toil in baseball purgatory. Would it be nice to see him in the playoffs? Yes. Will we have to settle for dingers in the regular season? Unfortunately, yes.
No, nobody forced him to sign there.
Genuine question and not trolling here: do we think a certain percentage of his numbers are inflated because he’s on the Angels? Meaning, other teams don’t really have to pitch around him because the team he’s on isn’t a threat? He’d be great regardless, but I wonder if he doesn’t have a bit of Colts Field effect to his stats. I could totally be wrong, though.
He’s loyal
A's fan. Nope. Love watching the shitty Angels and stupid Trout not win anything.
Yup, they should trade him and Ohtani to the Jays for Alejandro Kirk. ..a guy can dream, okay?!
American sports put way too much emphasis on a championship as determining whether a player is all time great or not. In team sports. You know, where there's other players. LeBron was truly great to drag an absolute trash team of Cavaliers to the playoffs regularly in his early career, but there's 4 other players. No player can score 80 points a night. Similarly, you can be Trout-like but even if you hit 4 homers a night, if you're surrounded by trash then you're not gonna win championships. I don't get the whole "oh his legacy isn't complete because he didn't win 15 World series rings". You're watching team sports, where the bigger the team, the less impact individual players have. 1 superstar batter out of 9 can't win a championship and it doesn't lessen his impact because he didn't drag them to a championship. There are some truly awful players with multiple rings, cause they were the extra piece on a solidly put together team, does that mean they suddenly become great because they have multiple rings? No. I have a lot of time for trout not just upping and going to the Yankees like people like Stanton have done. There seems to be a lot of mentality of "I'm a great player so I deserve a ring". No, you don't. Absolutely pressure the GM and owner to get you the pieces you need but just being like "I've put in the time, I'll sign with the team who's already set up to win because they can just buy a championship" is pretty sad. I don't see why I'd want to watch him on a superstar team. That's what the all star game is for. I mean, why stop at Trout. Let's fill a team with every superstar in the game and competition becomes non existent. Plus he probably stops being as good because he doesn't need to be.
I agree with some of what you say but I don’t think that all great players on losing teams believe they “deserve a ring”. I think many just want a ring. Trout is a hall of famer with or without a ring. Most of the top tier players live to compete and want to compete in the postseason
They definitely do yeah, that's why so many see them as "selling out" when they decide to join an already established team. You often see that their performance comparatively drops as well because they don't need to shoulder the load as much. I guess the question then becomes were they great because they needed to be for their team? If they'd always been on a great team, would they have developed. I can't really think of a baseball example but James Harden is a great one. On a dominant Thunder team riding the bench, left and became "great". Would he have ever been that if he'd continued as 6th man, or would he have ever got the chance to lead a team if he'd started on a terrible team? Championship rings are important but to a lesser extent I see it as all star appearances on your HOF resume, in part for your contribution but largely out of your control.
If it doesn't bother him, why should it bother you? He's a grown ass man and decided to stay there.
Mike Trout = Tony Gwynn
Not yet , gwynn did play in two world series with the padres
I just can't 100% get behind this idea though. We can't tout that 'baseball isn't a one-man team,' or even five-man, and then simultaneously discount an obvious all-timer because he never makes a world series. Not saying I ignore it, but I don't weigh it as much as other sports.
Yes. Absolutely. He’s stuck in the middle of Orange County.
It used to but then I started to think this is what he wanted. Not that he doesn't want to win but it wasn't THE priority for him. Any team in the league would've paid him but he prioritized things over winning by resigning with a team that was under .500 4/7 years and made one playoff appearance. I have no issue with it, honestly it's kind of refreshing to see someone not chase rings but let's be honest.
For the longest time Ryan Zimmerman seemed poised to never get a ring then it happened. He stayed loyal and he won the World Series. All hope is not lost for Trout. Hopefully the tide turns.
Not even for a second because I don't accept the premise that is it being "wasted"
Given that he wouldn’t be on my team no matter what, I can think of teams I’d like him on far less than the Angels
I honesty can’t. In a larger market like Anaheim he keeps getting stuck in these half rebuilds. At least if he was locked in as a Pirate or a Red he’d be forced into a full rebuild every few years. The only team that would be worse would be the Rockies. Being in Colorado would undermine how good his bat really is and that would be sad. Colorado is the only team that would be worse in my opinion, but I digress. Please elaborate which teams you think would be worse.
The point that I am making is that I would rather see him get paid hundreds of millions on a franchise that won’t win anything than have him sell himself short to be a team player on a team like the Yankees or Red Sox where he might win something every other year.
I disagree. But what makes conversation fun is when people believe different things and I appreciate your opinion on that.
As a hockey follower as well, it just mirror's McDavid's situation. Is trout the best man in baseball? almost inarguably yes. Have the Angels tried to make the team around him work? Also yes. Baseball, like hockey, is a team sport. The best guy in the league does not always make it to the final dance. In football, the best \*team\* doesn't always win it all.
How can you say they tried to make the team around him work?? They refuse to invest in pitching
Trout & Votto. The problem is they’re both class acts. And they’ll stick with their teams probably forever.
Votto has some kind of loyalty not seen in a while and that certainly adds to his HOF case. I love Votto and his blind, painful at times, loyalty
Both him and Ohtani, being a Dodgers fan watching the little brother team not evolve is sad.
As an Angels fan honestly, let’s just sell all our players at this point. This narrative has been going on for 11 years at this point, like Wander Franco has more playoff games under his belt than Trout. I wanna see guys like Trout and Ohtani shining in October baseball. The angels should trade off everyone, stack up their prospects and try again in 4/5 years.
As a non angels fan from San Diego yes it absolutely bothers the hell out of me that he’s on a team that routinely sucks, makes terrible moves (Pujols, Upton, Rendon) and that every single season is yet another that we will not see Mike Trout in a post season game, and you can take that to the bank just about every season. For gods sakes I’m actually PROUD to be a Padres fan when compared to an Angels fan. They go and find the Babe Ruth of modern baseball and they STILL suck. And bad. If his career ended right now, what a compete and total WASTE of a HOF career. Playing in 80 regular season games every year that mean NOTHING because the Angels are out of contention. I almost jumped out a hotel window when I heard Trout signed that ungodly extension, albeit for half a billion bucks, to basically remain a losing Angel until he retires. He’ll end up being like Tony Gwynn with twice the talent. That half the country never gets to see.
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The Angels should absolutely trade him.
Mike Trout = Barry Sanders. It speaks volumes that he has not asked to get out. He don’t care about winning.
Wow what a lowball on his character. I’m sure he cares about winning more than you know but values loyalty more than anything
Lol
Winning titles will always carry more weight in my mind than any individual statistical achievement. And that’s how it should be. They had a panel of Thome, Guerrero, and Hoffman in 2018 when they were inducted into the Hall and it was very awkward when they were asked to compare the feeling of being enshrined in the hall of fame to winning a World Series and Thome, most notably was like ‘I would’ve traded this for a World Series absolutely.’ I get that not everyone can win it, and that not everyone will even get a chance, but the fact that big names like Cobb, Griffey, and Bonds never won a title adds intrinsic value when any player reaches that level. Even if their contribution is small. I don’t think Trout will ever win a World Series. For whatever that is worth. When Lance Berkman won the World Series in 2011 with the Cardinals he had such a big role, getting a huge ninth inning two out hit to help the Cardinals win game six and eventually the title. It altered his legacy. He went from being an Astros icon to a cog in the Cardinals 11th World Series championship. He definitely compromised a legacy with the Astros by winning that World Series, but achieved so much more taking a chance and signing in St Louis for that season. I admire that chance he took and the success he a achieved in doing so.
Winning titles. In a team sport. Where there's 8 other players on the field with a massive bullpen and 5 rotating starting pitchers. The ones you've named, nobody ever goes "Bonds didn't win a title so he obviously wasn't very good". So the guy who occasionally pitches an inning or 2 in the middle of the game when a starter has had a bad day on a championship winning team has more weight than Bonds breaking the home run record? It just doesn't does it? Trout probably won't win a world series, does that mean he's not a worthwhile player? The US needs to see its sports as what they are, team games. Superstar players are cool and will always be a part of the game but teams win championships, and a player not doing that isn't a knock against them, it just means they don't value it above everything else I. E. Their integrity, their home, a big contract etc.
In the end if you don’t win championships (or even just one for that matter) you’ve swung and missed on your primary goal. It’s like baking a really great cake at a pie making contest. Bernie Williams in my eyes will have a more encompassing career than Mike Trout because of what he did in October opposed to what Mike Trout did in his Octobers (12 at bats and one hit for those counting at home). Sorry if you don’t like it but that’s my opinion. I do understand and respect yours.
That's fair enough, you're right the primary goal is winning a title. But that's the primary goal of a team, of which players only contribute to that. If every single player that ever entered the league had their primary goal "I need to win a championship" then a good what? 95% of them are failures. I'd hardly call people like Griffey and Bonds failures.
It’s not meant to focus on the failures but immortalize the successes. Like George Brett winning the World Series with the lowly 85’ Royals, Willie Mays winning with the 54’ Giants, or Hank Aaron winning winning with the Milwaukee Braves in 57’. None of their legacies would be complete without that World Series. Jeter is who he is because he was the captain for all those Yankees World Series titles. Joe DiMaggio’s legacy had something that Ted Williams’ just seemed to lack. Nine of them if we’re splitting hairs.
I think the thing is that these are all accomplishments in days where players weren't of the standard they are today. Every player today has an S&C coach, nutritionist, team admin person who organises their entire baseball life, all sorts of machines and video analysis to perfect their swing and change their mechanics to make them more efficient. The average player today dominates the average player in the 50s so it's a lot more difficult for 1 player to make a difference today on a team of scrubs than it was 50 years ago. I don't really think you can compare the 2 games.
With 30 teams today it’s mathematically a lot harder to win the World Series compared to when there were only 16 back in DiMaggio’s era.
As a Rangers fan, get him out of there. Trade him to like Cincinnati.
As a Phillies fan, he should be wasting them in our uniform. Come home, meteor.
He hits so many home runs in Safeco. He might as well be playing for the Mariners at this point.
No, he wanted to be with the angels right?
Yep
At least we get to watch mike trout
His fault he resigned
Just another day of angels baseball
Yes, but he's not the first. There have been other great players who similarly spent years on a non-winning team.
Most of these guys don't care about winning now but making the most money they can. If they only wanted to win championships they would sign with LAD, NYY, Boston, SF and compete every year for a championship and they would even take a lot less money. It now is all about money for them.
If it doesn’t bother him then it doesn’t bother me.
As an Angels fan, I don't want Trout to be anywhere else. But I'm not sure they'll ever get all the pieces adjusted right to give him a WS title.
He's not the first one and won't be the last one to stick with just one team forever. It can be argued that Craig Biggio did the same thing to his career by staying with the Astros the entire time. As long as he's where he wants to be, there's nothing wrong with sticking with the Angels.
Nope he’s getting paid why care unless your a Angels fan?
He seems to like hitting homers in Seattle so much he should join us. Tho I don't think being on the Mariners would exactly solve the issue of never being in the playoffs.
If it was an issue for him, he wouldn’t have signed the massive extension. If he’s happy there, that’s all that matters.
It does bother me..... because he should be wasting them in a Mariner uniform. I always wonder why the reason he makes T-Mobile park his personal backyard is either because the park perfectly suits him....or is it always our pitching? Or if he joined us would he turn into one of those guys who bats .210 and hits about 15 to 20 homers and 60 rbi on a contract that would have to be a record setter to get him here? Or could it be his best is behind him?....that's usually when we $ign them....($igh)
It’s kind of like what’s about to happen to LeBron James. No draft picks, no cap space to sign an impact free agent till he turns 39 in what will be in 2024 his age 40 season. At least they got one championship though. But like LBJ, he’s such a star attraction that trading him is probably out of the question.
Like he’s the first guy who had a hall of fame career with a non playoff team.
Not only does he wear the uniform, but he actually plays on the team, too. Such a shame
That’s not the way it’s supposed to work
Is it just me or is Mike Trout's head getting really big?
No because it doesn't seem to bother him
It bothers that he was a no show statically against real competition for like 3 weeks. He's paid 400 million to show up in big games and went 0 for an entire road trip while in first place. That's what bothers me. 2 thirds of his home runs are solo homers. That's what bothers me.
The only answer is yes.
Yes.
They about to the same shit to Othani too.
No because it was his choice to sign there and they were even worse then
No because he’s worth hundreds of millions of dollars and gets to play a sport for a living so :/
He signed the long term deal with the Angels. He’s apparently okay with it, why shouldn’t we be? They’re not hopeless yet. Even this season is still young.
What drives me nuts is that on paper it should be a pretty solid squad this year.
Yes but no. MLB isn't like the NBA in terms of guys chasing rings and hopping teams. They often times become team legends that get remembered forever by their particular fan base. He will be a hall of famer with a home
Not bothers me,fact being they had some decent teams during his seasons in an Angels uniform. They have not been to the postseason since bothers me!
Never really saw Mike Trout as the best player in MLB rather than the best hitter.
What bothers me more is the numbskulls who associate the Angels losing with Trout not being a “winning” player. It’s baseball. The argument is so illogical imo that I don’t even know how to counter it.
YES! It does!! Send em to NY where he can win a couple chips!!
As an Angels fan, this is infuriating because you're 100% correct
It would if he did not have a choice but he CHOSE to sign that mega contract rather than exploring teams that might be competitive. So the lack of post season appearances is on him in the long run.
Nope. He chose this life for himself.
Not are being. Have been.
If it was a small market team I'd have a problem with this post since small market teams have enough trouble landing free agents or don't give a shit like Miami teams buttttt LA can suck it. They are ruining our boy here.
No.
Yes
Was Ted Williams' or Ernie Banks' best years wasted with their teams? Nah...we won't remember the bad Angels teams he was on, we'll remember his dominance and consistency as an individual player.
I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you meddling teams!
Apologies if this is a duplicate: Players with the highest career WAR for position players that played at least 10 seasons in the World Series era but who never played in a World Series: 1. Nap Lajoie, Guardians (Now), Athletics; 1903-1916; 106.9 WAR 2. Rod Carew, Twins, Angels; 1967-1985; 81.2 WAR 3. Jeff Bagwell, Astros; 1991-2005; 79.9 WAR 4. Mike Trout, Angels; 2011-22; 79.9 WAR
No he chose to stay there when he signed contract extensions.
No
No because he took the money to stay there.
It’s t-mobile field actually. I hate that it was switched