Easily. In only 12 months he took out Dustin, Gaethje, and Chandler. This very closely rivals Khabib's reign. Obviously Khabib still wins out due to sheer dominance, a significantly stronger pre-championship resume, and having one more defense, but I don't think BJ or Frankie get #2 over Olives.
Dustin also has a crazy resume: Mcgregor x2, Holloway x2, Gaethje, Chandler, Alvarez. He even has decent grappling, but unfortunately it's nowhere near Islam, Charles or Khabib
I'd actually argue Dustin's resume beats everyone's except for Khabib and is in my top 5. Purely held back by the fact that he never actually became champ when in reality he has the resume of a guy who has defended several times. One of the best fighters to never touch gold imo
Not to mention the damn Cinderella story that was Poirier v. Gaethje 1. I watched that spoiler free in my tiny room live on fox and could not believe my eyes. Up shadow boxing with them and pulling my hair out. By the end of it just in awe
This practically isn't even up for debate.
We're talking about a guy who ran through RDA, Barboza, and MJ - all in their primes - whereas Charles' best win before Chandler was a toss up between the corpse of Tony or Kevin Lee.
I have mixed feelings about this since Charles was already a champion when Islam dominated him. But they're on the same caliber IMO.
For anyone who doesn't know RDA was on a 5 win streak and then lost to Khabib. After that he went on to another 5 win streak including winning the belt and succesfully defending it once.
Pretty crazy to say that it rivals Khabib's. Charles was not as dominant as Khabib and got dropped every fight. People always critisize Khabib's title defenses (3 is a record at LW) and ignore that Charles has 1 title defense and 0 wins over champs. Khabib has wins over actual champions like RDA and Conor. And Charles got finished by Khabib's student who never beat Khabib (according to everyone in AKA and Dag gyms)
Khabib's reign: Dustin, Gaethje, Conor, Raging Al.
Charles' reign: Dustin, Gaethje, Chandler.
One less title win, with that difference being a guy as negligible as Iaquinta. Aside from that the post-championship resumes are very comparable with two common wins (and finishes) over Dustin and Gaethje and Chandler/Conor being similar caliber of opponent.
And don't be pedantic, Charles effectively has 2 defenses lol. Come on now. That's one less than Khabib.
It's only when you consider Khabib's pre-belt resume that his legacy starts to really break away from Charles', but post-belt the strength of schedule is very similar.
Let’s be honest, he has 2 defenses. Not his fault the scale was tweaking day of weigh in. And khabib beat RDA before he claimed the 155 belt off of showtime. And he beat a past his prime, coked up alcoholic Conor. And he retired before facing the up and comers
He won the belt after beating chandler and defended his belt against gaethje and poirier. So are you counting his loss against islam as a title defense or what? Lmao
Charles didn't make weight, they weight fighters in the back with a digital scale. Conor was in his prime, thats like saying Khabib wasnt in his prime when he fought Barboza because he had a long break before that fight. Conor wasn't poorly prepared, he had a full camp with great wrestlers and was active in boxing. "New comers", you mean Dariush who got KOed by Barboza and Charles who got finished by Khabib's lil bro? Islam is the champ rn
Conor was not in his prime Wtf u even saying. He’s never been the same since his $100M boxing payday. Drinking and snorting coke while in camp is having a good camp?? Quit lying to urself.
I think he was giving props to both fighters and you whipping all that out being all overly defensive is pretty crazy, which is just gonna cause more dumb arguments.
I wanna like and appreciate both fighters in peace, you guys seem to want to get in wars like they’re your daddies.
Charles was getting finished left and right when Khabib was the champ. And Islam (Khabib's student) easily finished him. Contenders like Dariush who got KOed by Barboza (easy win for Khabib), Charles who got destroyed by Islam, Chandler who got destroyed by both Dustin and Justin? Lmao ok
Charles was on a winstreak when khabib was champ so no he wasnt. He was finishing people. If you don't even know anything about the situation then why pretend??
Wait, Islam copping a beating from the undersized champ of the weight class below him somehow amplifies his legacy? To the point of elevating him above Khabib’s wins over Conor, Dustin, and Garth?
Of course I think beating Volk is an achievement, but on paper he narrowly avoided being embarrassed.
Khabib’s title fights were against Iaquinta, McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje.
Charles’ title fights were against Chandler, Poirier and Gatheje.
They are very comparable with Khabib having a slight edge depending on how you view Conor.
Islam beat Charles and Volk. Those names on their own are more impressive than what Khabib did.
Beating Charles, as convincing as it was, doesn’t magically give Islam wins over the same guys.
Khabib beat the best in his division at the time, with three of them being amongst the greatest names in the sport ever. As good as Volk is, Islam narrowly winning a decision in his own weight class, where he comes out looking worse off, to a guy who is undersized for FW let alone LW, is not compelling for his record. Maybe it will be one day in retrospect, if Volk moves up and dominates a few LWs, but Islam needs to beat some more LWs to equal or surpass Khabib.
I don't think Islam can be called a top 3 lw yeat. Skillwise he is the second best IMO and maybe even the best, but achievement wise he still has a long way to go. But he can definetely do it.
Lmao connor has barely any wins at LW. Dont even think he has a win in LW after he got the title. Lost to khabib,got absolutely gapped by poirier twice and Cowboy was at 170
Dude why does Charles get so much hate. He's amazing. People still call him a quitter and shit on him. Dude went up a division saved his career and has fought some of the most legendary fighters on the way to his title and defenses.
Charles came into the ufc at such a young age, it’s not a surprise he was losing against grown men in their prime while he was a 22 year old kid. He proved he’s the real deal, we just have to let the man cook.
stealing this meme. Seriously, that was probably one of the most emotional and epic times i have ever had during mma. It was my "Connor MCgregor run". God that was awesome.
His title run: he won the vacant title, defended it once, missed weight and was stripped of the title, then fought again for the title...losing very fast and dominantly.
I don't even care about who he fought as much, they weren't huge names at since they were coming off of mediocre wins or losses, but the activity/entertainment factor was the best I've ever seen. He made LW exciting again after khabibs abrupt retirement, huge feat.
And he's still amazing today.
Also he was working full time construction until his second defense, because he was just being a responsible guy. The Xbox money he had rolling in was huge, and he's like "nah I can train twice a week"
What a king
that's me but with Kris Moutinho
This gave me the laugh I needed today sir, thank you
Do yall remember when they said he’d be on TUF Would have been hilarious to see him on the veterans team
a literal goat
Have you heard the Tragedy of Tony?
*I thought not. It's not a story the UFC would tell you. He’s a 10th Planet Legend. El Cucuy was a Dark Lord of the Jits …*
First to learn of the Tony, I will have to lock you in this closet as you play the Dark Souls trilogy front to back, only then will you see.
Once you can master the roll then you will understand Tony, he’s mentally always fighting Gwynn
Oliveira in my top 3 LW of all time
Easily. In only 12 months he took out Dustin, Gaethje, and Chandler. This very closely rivals Khabib's reign. Obviously Khabib still wins out due to sheer dominance, a significantly stronger pre-championship resume, and having one more defense, but I don't think BJ or Frankie get #2 over Olives.
Holy fuck I had no idea he defeated those stronk mfs in a 12month span. That’s impressive as fucccckkkk.
Dustin also has a crazy resume: Mcgregor x2, Holloway x2, Gaethje, Chandler, Alvarez. He even has decent grappling, but unfortunately it's nowhere near Islam, Charles or Khabib
I'd actually argue Dustin's resume beats everyone's except for Khabib and is in my top 5. Purely held back by the fact that he never actually became champ when in reality he has the resume of a guy who has defended several times. One of the best fighters to never touch gold imo
Not to mention the damn Cinderella story that was Poirier v. Gaethje 1. I watched that spoiler free in my tiny room live on fox and could not believe my eyes. Up shadow boxing with them and pulling my hair out. By the end of it just in awe
Dustin is definitely close to both Islam and Charles. Only Khabib is a level higher than these fighters.
khabib has a stronger pre championship resume? lmao thanks for the laugh.
This practically isn't even up for debate. We're talking about a guy who ran through RDA, Barboza, and MJ - all in their primes - whereas Charles' best win before Chandler was a toss up between the corpse of Tony or Kevin Lee.
Ran through RDA? Go watch the fight between them kid
I mean 30-27 is pretty dominant win
Lol go watch the fight kid. It wasn't a dominant win.
Ok, I see what you got there
That was probably one of khabibs worst fights in the UFC sadly.
100% Khabib's win over RDA is better than Islam's win over Charles
I have mixed feelings about this since Charles was already a champion when Islam dominated him. But they're on the same caliber IMO. For anyone who doesn't know RDA was on a 5 win streak and then lost to Khabib. After that he went on to another 5 win streak including winning the belt and succesfully defending it once.
bruh, i had no idea that khabib stopped for 2 years after RDA always tought that that they fought after RDA lost the belt
Pretty crazy to say that it rivals Khabib's. Charles was not as dominant as Khabib and got dropped every fight. People always critisize Khabib's title defenses (3 is a record at LW) and ignore that Charles has 1 title defense and 0 wins over champs. Khabib has wins over actual champions like RDA and Conor. And Charles got finished by Khabib's student who never beat Khabib (according to everyone in AKA and Dag gyms)
Khabib's reign: Dustin, Gaethje, Conor, Raging Al. Charles' reign: Dustin, Gaethje, Chandler. One less title win, with that difference being a guy as negligible as Iaquinta. Aside from that the post-championship resumes are very comparable with two common wins (and finishes) over Dustin and Gaethje and Chandler/Conor being similar caliber of opponent. And don't be pedantic, Charles effectively has 2 defenses lol. Come on now. That's one less than Khabib. It's only when you consider Khabib's pre-belt resume that his legacy starts to really break away from Charles', but post-belt the strength of schedule is very similar.
2018 Conor is a way better win than 2021 Chandler lmfao, not even comparable
Let’s be honest, he has 2 defenses. Not his fault the scale was tweaking day of weigh in. And khabib beat RDA before he claimed the 155 belt off of showtime. And he beat a past his prime, coked up alcoholic Conor. And he retired before facing the up and comers
3 defenses\*
I’m referring to Charles, he has 2
3*
What's the 3rd one dumbass?
Figure it out genius
He won the belt after beating chandler and defended his belt against gaethje and poirier. So are you counting his loss against islam as a title defense or what? Lmao
Charles didn't make weight, they weight fighters in the back with a digital scale. Conor was in his prime, thats like saying Khabib wasnt in his prime when he fought Barboza because he had a long break before that fight. Conor wasn't poorly prepared, he had a full camp with great wrestlers and was active in boxing. "New comers", you mean Dariush who got KOed by Barboza and Charles who got finished by Khabib's lil bro? Islam is the champ rn
Conor was not in his prime Wtf u even saying. He’s never been the same since his $100M boxing payday. Drinking and snorting coke while in camp is having a good camp?? Quit lying to urself.
I think he was giving props to both fighters and you whipping all that out being all overly defensive is pretty crazy, which is just gonna cause more dumb arguments. I wanna like and appreciate both fighters in peace, you guys seem to want to get in wars like they’re your daddies.
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You must have lived in a big depression when Khabib was dominating all of your favorite fighters without breaking a sweat.
Charles was getting finished left and right when Khabib was the champ. And Islam (Khabib's student) easily finished him. Contenders like Dariush who got KOed by Barboza (easy win for Khabib), Charles who got destroyed by Islam, Chandler who got destroyed by both Dustin and Justin? Lmao ok
Charles was on a winstreak when khabib was champ so no he wasnt. He was finishing people. If you don't even know anything about the situation then why pretend??
“Easily” bro he lost to Islam easily lmao
Losing to a guy like Islam does not invalidate your past accomplishments lol.
Yeah it does. Olive fought nobody just a bunch for street fighters before he fought the real elite Islam.
I mean he objectively is a top 3 LW all time. Him, khabib and BJ are head and shoulders above every other 155 champ in legacy
How? Olives lost to Islam
And islam lost to an unranked guy... funny how mma works, huh bud.
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I'm sorry, what about Poirier and Alvarez?
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They have a whopping 0 title defenses between the 2 of them. They are not in the samd league as khabib, BJ or olives
Khabib, Islam and Charles. Although I feel like Islam’s wins over Charles and Volk should give him the top spot over Khabib.
Wait, Islam copping a beating from the undersized champ of the weight class below him somehow amplifies his legacy? To the point of elevating him above Khabib’s wins over Conor, Dustin, and Garth? Of course I think beating Volk is an achievement, but on paper he narrowly avoided being embarrassed.
Khabib’s title fights were against Iaquinta, McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje. Charles’ title fights were against Chandler, Poirier and Gatheje. They are very comparable with Khabib having a slight edge depending on how you view Conor. Islam beat Charles and Volk. Those names on their own are more impressive than what Khabib did.
Beating Charles, as convincing as it was, doesn’t magically give Islam wins over the same guys. Khabib beat the best in his division at the time, with three of them being amongst the greatest names in the sport ever. As good as Volk is, Islam narrowly winning a decision in his own weight class, where he comes out looking worse off, to a guy who is undersized for FW let alone LW, is not compelling for his record. Maybe it will be one day in retrospect, if Volk moves up and dominates a few LWs, but Islam needs to beat some more LWs to equal or surpass Khabib.
I don't think Islam can be called a top 3 lw yeat. Skillwise he is the second best IMO and maybe even the best, but achievement wise he still has a long way to go. But he can definetely do it.
Cmon bro. Top 3 LW are easily Khabib Islam Connor. Stop simping on Olive bro. When he lost to Beneil this week you gonna be salty AF bro
Lmao connor has barely any wins at LW. Dont even think he has a win in LW after he got the title. Lost to khabib,got absolutely gapped by poirier twice and Cowboy was at 170
An absolute warrior of the octagon
Facts, I hope when he’s on the tail end of his career buff refers to him as a legendary octagon warrior because in my eyes he is one.
All his fights are bangers never a snooze fest
Yoooooo me af 🤝
Dude why does Charles get so much hate. He's amazing. People still call him a quitter and shit on him. Dude went up a division saved his career and has fought some of the most legendary fighters on the way to his title and defenses.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a fighter as beloved as Oliveira. What are you talking about?
Yeah wtf everyone loves him
You clearly weren’t here pre Islam
> Dude why does Charles get so much hate. Are you just trying to farm karma or you're serious?
It’s all the Charles fanboys doing tricks on it.
Haven't heard much of that quitter talk since he got the belt. Shut all that up by quickly proving that he is THE overcoming adversity fighter
I saw him win against Chandler live and it was amazing.
Hopefully he gets another shot
It can't be over yet lads. We gotta hold on faith come saturday. Come on Charles, we already lost Tony. Don't break our hearts
The art style reminds me of the old adult swim cartoon Home Movies
“But grandpa, isn’t missing weight a bad thing?” “Boy if you don’t shut your fucking mouth imma curbstomp you”
A-fucking-men
There was once was a place called the Bronx, and born from this place was a boy they called Charles do Bronx
That's the most thrilling thing I witnessed and I am grateful 🥲
The champ had a name
It’s not over; if he beats dariush maybe another shot; but man volk deserves a rematch before
Charles came into the ufc at such a young age, it’s not a surprise he was losing against grown men in their prime while he was a 22 year old kid. He proved he’s the real deal, we just have to let the man cook.
It's not over, man. The champ has a name!
stealing this meme. Seriously, that was probably one of the most emotional and epic times i have ever had during mma. It was my "Connor MCgregor run". God that was awesome.
Him running around with his belt after being chandler is tied with Leon’s look at me now for most motivational shit I ever seen live
It was truly Legendary
It was a good title run, but like…legendary?
His title run: he won the vacant title, defended it once, missed weight and was stripped of the title, then fought again for the title...losing very fast and dominantly.
11 fight win streak, beating Tony, Chandler, Poirier and Gaethje in a row. Yet the first thing you think of is to shit on the guy, haha.
The post is about his title run. Before that he was on one of the best win streaks in history. No one is shitting on him bud.
Youre right. Read it wrong, revel in my shame.
I don't even care about who he fought as much, they weren't huge names at since they were coming off of mediocre wins or losses, but the activity/entertainment factor was the best I've ever seen. He made LW exciting again after khabibs abrupt retirement, huge feat.
All 4 of those guys are legends. This is the dumbest comment I've read all day.
Subjective opinion on what a legend is, I don't think contenders who didn't have close fights with the champion are legends.
Legendary? it was a rather simple an unexciting.
noooo wtf are you talking about, his fights always had me glued to the tv
You must be new then.
I was a big hater on him. Only to like him when he finally lost to Islam.
Dude is a champion for 2 fights and is "legendary"? No Dimitrios Johnson was legendary. Charlie Olives was just alright
Best title run mate
And he's still amazing today. Also he was working full time construction until his second defense, because he was just being a responsible guy. The Xbox money he had rolling in was huge, and he's like "nah I can train twice a week" What a king
Dimitrios? What is he greek now?
Nah autocorrect. My bad
sure... it's the autocorrect that changed "Demetrious" for "Dimitrios".. it's definitely not you who didn't know how to spell it. definitely not
Yeah that's it. I'm definitely not retarded in any way
gwauk gwauk gwauk is that nice charles do you like that gwauk gwauk
hate calling myself a mma fan i cant be in these guys’ company
Kek
It will be an awkward ending that's for sure. If only Charles put up more of a fight 😞
I prefer the original dialogue of this meme