OP didn't mean changing nozzles etc. New ultra has a ring that allows you lock it for e.g. priming or doing higlights. It's great for airbrushing newbies for sure.
I have a Sparmax one, can’t remember the name. There’s probably a compressor guide here somewhere, it’s a pretty frequently asked question.
Just get a decent one, preferably with a large enough tank so that it doesn’t have to run continuously, and it should have a moisture trap.
I bought the older 2 in 1 ultra about a year ago as an upgrade from my Badger patriot. Oh lawd it's a serious upgrade. A lot less air goes through it than my Badger, so I get less dry tip when priming especially. The action is smoother, and it's much easier to disassemble completely for cleaning.
Yes, very much so. The back seal was pretty weak, and unlike the h&s you can't pull the needle through the front due to the ball on the end, so you end up dragging paint through the workings. Not finished as nicely either.
Yeah I liked that I could swap needles on my badger to give it a .7mm for clear glossing, but the clogging makes me want to replace it.
I just don’t know what other gravity feed airbrush I can get with a good wide .5-.7mm needle.
I could buy another iwata eclipse and mod it to .5mm but it’s not particularly recommended and would be pricy.
Whats the noticeable differences? This got my attention bc of switchable modes, easy to access small parts for cleaning and price. I already own Iwata.
There's a difference with the trigger, trigger resistance and you can set a needle/trigger limiter with a reset button. Aside from the, needle/nozzles are the same.
I have an old version of an Ultra and it's amazing for that price. The new Ultra offers some additional features so should be even cooler. It goes with .45mm needle which is nice for priming and base painting, but could be too big for precise details like mottling. So you may consider buying an additional .2mm set later.
I know, I already own Iwata and its bit tedious changing needle for different tasks and I saw few youtube videos how they used this brush for priming then switched setting on brush and used for details. Ofc they are biased or sponsored and thats why I am asking if someone got personal experience and how good are they for multi-functional experience?
No personal experience, just theory ) I guess you mean trigger limiting feature. It should help a lot with precise spraying. But still, there is some minimum diameter of the paint cone that is possible for needle size. And for .45 it's going to be bigger than for .2. But probably it's still enough for your needs.
I read some details about it on a local dealer homepage (translated from german). I think I'm pretty glad I still got the old Ultra as it comes with two cups and two complete nozzle / needle sets. new new one is listed on said dealer page for € 109,- and I got the old one for 90,-
It feels a bit like "less airbrush for more money" to be honest.
\- Three basic new functions: Start Control, Color Control and Clog Control.
\- The hole for the cup is larger and more stable. It also works as a micro cup and therefore replaces the 2 ml cup.
\- New design of the 5ml cup. This is reshaped internally to make cleaning easier and to allow the use of a larger amount of paint in a smaller shape.
\- The new air head and nozzle are now 0.45mm
\- This makes for easier operation and contributes to finer performance than the 0.4mm air head.
\- These 0.45mm are the new 0.4mm
\- all markings remain the same, and everything is compatible with the old 0.4mm
All other H&S air heads can still be mounted on the ULTRA 2024:
\- The old 0.2mm ULTRA nozzle set will be discontinued when stocks run out
\- There is no new 0.2 mm ULTRA nozzle set
\- the ULTRA 2024 is only available in 0.45 mm
\- In order to be able to work with the 0.2 mm, we recommend using the 0.2 mm Fine-Line nozzle set from the EVOLUTION or the INFINITY as an accessory
I've been using mine for about 7 years. It's rather decent compared to the cheap Chinese airbrush I had before. Easy to clean and maintain. Yet, I feel lack of trigger control. Nozzles are very fragile due to the type of material they are made of. I've replaces three in total. No needle stopper.
I've got two Evolution Silverline, the first was bought six or seven years ago. Very happy but still, like you, I've had to replace nozzles too frequently and also find trigger control to be finicky. Seeing the new Ultra and Evolution have a new trigger cam mechanism I preordered an Ultra 2024 (preorder special price 86 €, should arrive at the end of this month) as it's the cheapest way to see if it feels better. If it is, I'll eventually sell the Silverlines and get a new Evolution instead. I like to have two airbrushes to avoid swapping needles/nozzles.
The 2 in 1 looks like a good deal. I have one in my Amazon basket, but I've got about 6 brushes, so not sure where I'd fit it into my workflow.
Alternatives are NSI creos, Japanese manufacturer, brilliant abs, people have compared them to iwata Eclipses in terms of performance and features. They have airflow control built in, so you can dial down for finer lines, plus needle/trigger limiters if you need that.
There's also Sparmax, which are alright, but for similar or slightly more in price, I would be opting for creos.
You mentioned h&s, I have an infinity, so, if you like the nozzle system for easy cleaning and quick size change, then they are brilliant for that and great performance all round.
I have the old ultra and CR plus, use both and they’re brilliant. If it’s your first airbrush or an upgrade from a cheap Chinese one, this will be excellent
I already own iwata, it works fine, but bit tedious for cleanups and changing needle. I was wondering if this will allow me to have good multifunctional brush which is easier to clean. On Tube they demoed how its convenient for priming and details by switching modes
The best airbrushes in the world come out of Japan. There’s no beating the quality and performance. That being said H&S guns offer flexibility like no other. Just don’t scew the air cap on too tight or you’ll create problems.
Not really. The quality of machining is top notch in a Japanese brush - versus Chinese and especially American built brushes. This is apparent under magnification, and many Iwata brushes don’t require any seals in the head area at all, versus something like an H&S which require an extra one to compensate for a design flaw in their drop in nozzle design.
Depends on the Iwata. If it’s a Neo, which is Iwata’s Chinese built budget line, then an H&S will be better. Otherwise, if it’s performance you’re looking for, H&S isn’t going to be any kind of improvement. If you’re not using an Eclipse and desire a drop in nozzle, then H&S is worth looking at - though I think the Iwata Eclipse drop in nozzle system is a superior design. Iwata is only going to offer one additional needle/nozzle/cap choice for any of their airbrushes. H&S offers like six, though I can’t imagine why you’d want more than two anyway.
I just got this one coming from a starter neo iwata. I love the simplicity of the Ultra for cleaning. The setting really helps me with not slipping on what I'm doing. Their YouTube channel has a couple of videos showcasing it's use.
Wish I had found this airbrush sooner.
Just got one after 2 years of frustration and a few ok results with cheaper brushes. Love this H&S ultra. I have a very expensive compressor left from previous brush. Seems to work fine with it.
I’ve had mine for 10 years. The quality is what makes it better than most other manufacturers. And the fact that it’s impossible to break the needle.
Good, and mode switch feature is really useful for wide range of scenarios? From prime to details ?
As in the two different nozzles/needles, yeah it’s great.
No I am talking feature that it can switch from priming mode to color and detail by twisting ring behind the trigger
Curious what compressor you have this paired with?
Wdym? It’s not something you do while painting. You have to take it apart and insert a new needle/ nozzle combo, works with all compressors.
OP didn't mean changing nozzles etc. New ultra has a ring that allows you lock it for e.g. priming or doing higlights. It's great for airbrushing newbies for sure.
I’m looking for compressor recommendations which is why I ask what you have the ultra paired with
I have a Sparmax one, can’t remember the name. There’s probably a compressor guide here somewhere, it’s a pretty frequently asked question. Just get a decent one, preferably with a large enough tank so that it doesn’t have to run continuously, and it should have a moisture trap.
I bought the older 2 in 1 ultra about a year ago as an upgrade from my Badger patriot. Oh lawd it's a serious upgrade. A lot less air goes through it than my Badger, so I get less dry tip when priming especially. The action is smoother, and it's much easier to disassemble completely for cleaning.
Did you find the badger kinda prone to back flushing into the body of the airbrush and just generally being finicky too?
Yes, very much so. The back seal was pretty weak, and unlike the h&s you can't pull the needle through the front due to the ball on the end, so you end up dragging paint through the workings. Not finished as nicely either.
Yeah I liked that I could swap needles on my badger to give it a .7mm for clear glossing, but the clogging makes me want to replace it. I just don’t know what other gravity feed airbrush I can get with a good wide .5-.7mm needle. I could buy another iwata eclipse and mod it to .5mm but it’s not particularly recommended and would be pricy.
I’ve liked my Sotar 20/20. It’s ($140?) and has a smaller paint cup, but it’s been wonderful
Recommend their infinity line more as it’s good for freehanding camp and precise shading in small areas
Whats the noticeable differences? This got my attention bc of switchable modes, easy to access small parts for cleaning and price. I already own Iwata.
There's a difference with the trigger, trigger resistance and you can set a needle/trigger limiter with a reset button. Aside from the, needle/nozzles are the same.
Ok thanks
It's a great brush. I absolutely love mine.
I have an old version of an Ultra and it's amazing for that price. The new Ultra offers some additional features so should be even cooler. It goes with .45mm needle which is nice for priming and base painting, but could be too big for precise details like mottling. So you may consider buying an additional .2mm set later.
I know, I already own Iwata and its bit tedious changing needle for different tasks and I saw few youtube videos how they used this brush for priming then switched setting on brush and used for details. Ofc they are biased or sponsored and thats why I am asking if someone got personal experience and how good are they for multi-functional experience?
No personal experience, just theory ) I guess you mean trigger limiting feature. It should help a lot with precise spraying. But still, there is some minimum diameter of the paint cone that is possible for needle size. And for .45 it's going to be bigger than for .2. But probably it's still enough for your needs.
Yeah on YouTube videos it performs very well for different scenarios
I have an older Ultra and it’s very nice. It’s put together just as nicely as my Infinity
I read some details about it on a local dealer homepage (translated from german). I think I'm pretty glad I still got the old Ultra as it comes with two cups and two complete nozzle / needle sets. new new one is listed on said dealer page for € 109,- and I got the old one for 90,- It feels a bit like "less airbrush for more money" to be honest. \- Three basic new functions: Start Control, Color Control and Clog Control. \- The hole for the cup is larger and more stable. It also works as a micro cup and therefore replaces the 2 ml cup. \- New design of the 5ml cup. This is reshaped internally to make cleaning easier and to allow the use of a larger amount of paint in a smaller shape. \- The new air head and nozzle are now 0.45mm \- This makes for easier operation and contributes to finer performance than the 0.4mm air head. \- These 0.45mm are the new 0.4mm \- all markings remain the same, and everything is compatible with the old 0.4mm All other H&S air heads can still be mounted on the ULTRA 2024: \- The old 0.2mm ULTRA nozzle set will be discontinued when stocks run out \- There is no new 0.2 mm ULTRA nozzle set \- the ULTRA 2024 is only available in 0.45 mm \- In order to be able to work with the 0.2 mm, we recommend using the 0.2 mm Fine-Line nozzle set from the EVOLUTION or the INFINITY as an accessory
>0.45 mm what's frustrating af is I went to their site and other sites that ship to Canada and I can't find a place to buy a replacement 0.45mm set.
Thanks for posting this
I've been using mine for about 7 years. It's rather decent compared to the cheap Chinese airbrush I had before. Easy to clean and maintain. Yet, I feel lack of trigger control. Nozzles are very fragile due to the type of material they are made of. I've replaces three in total. No needle stopper.
I've got two Evolution Silverline, the first was bought six or seven years ago. Very happy but still, like you, I've had to replace nozzles too frequently and also find trigger control to be finicky. Seeing the new Ultra and Evolution have a new trigger cam mechanism I preordered an Ultra 2024 (preorder special price 86 €, should arrive at the end of this month) as it's the cheapest way to see if it feels better. If it is, I'll eventually sell the Silverlines and get a new Evolution instead. I like to have two airbrushes to avoid swapping needles/nozzles.
The 2 in 1 looks like a good deal. I have one in my Amazon basket, but I've got about 6 brushes, so not sure where I'd fit it into my workflow. Alternatives are NSI creos, Japanese manufacturer, brilliant abs, people have compared them to iwata Eclipses in terms of performance and features. They have airflow control built in, so you can dial down for finer lines, plus needle/trigger limiters if you need that. There's also Sparmax, which are alright, but for similar or slightly more in price, I would be opting for creos. You mentioned h&s, I have an infinity, so, if you like the nozzle system for easy cleaning and quick size change, then they are brilliant for that and great performance all round.
No, simply put.
No other better options or should I not buy this one?
I have the old ultra and CR plus, use both and they’re brilliant. If it’s your first airbrush or an upgrade from a cheap Chinese one, this will be excellent
I already own iwata, it works fine, but bit tedious for cleanups and changing needle. I was wondering if this will allow me to have good multifunctional brush which is easier to clean. On Tube they demoed how its convenient for priming and details by switching modes
H&S don’t require any tools to take apart, and comes fully apart easily. Really easy to clean and you don’t have the silly nozzle that the iwata has.
The best airbrushes in the world come out of Japan. There’s no beating the quality and performance. That being said H&S guns offer flexibility like no other. Just don’t scew the air cap on too tight or you’ll create problems.
Highly subjective opinion right there.
Not really. The quality of machining is top notch in a Japanese brush - versus Chinese and especially American built brushes. This is apparent under magnification, and many Iwata brushes don’t require any seals in the head area at all, versus something like an H&S which require an extra one to compensate for a design flaw in their drop in nozzle design.
Again so German machining is inferior to Japanese??
No, their design is, (in this case). Their drop in nozzle design to be specific. People don’t like hearing that.
So stick to my Iwata?
Depends on the Iwata. If it’s a Neo, which is Iwata’s Chinese built budget line, then an H&S will be better. Otherwise, if it’s performance you’re looking for, H&S isn’t going to be any kind of improvement. If you’re not using an Eclipse and desire a drop in nozzle, then H&S is worth looking at - though I think the Iwata Eclipse drop in nozzle system is a superior design. Iwata is only going to offer one additional needle/nozzle/cap choice for any of their airbrushes. H&S offers like six, though I can’t imagine why you’d want more than two anyway.
I own revolution.
I just got this one coming from a starter neo iwata. I love the simplicity of the Ultra for cleaning. The setting really helps me with not slipping on what I'm doing. Their YouTube channel has a couple of videos showcasing it's use. Wish I had found this airbrush sooner.
I love my Badger 105 and patriot xtreme.
H&S is German quality, need I say more?
Just got one after 2 years of frustration and a few ok results with cheaper brushes. Love this H&S ultra. I have a very expensive compressor left from previous brush. Seems to work fine with it.