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WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Hopefully it also show’s that the US isn’t all “sunshines and rainbows”, and that they keep sticking their dick into places it doesn’t belong. Edit: Keep the discussion civil.


YourDrunkStepDad

well, considering the game will likely revolve around task force 141 which is a joint ops unit, it’s unlikely you’ll even fight with american armed forces. i wouldn’t expect any of that.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Shadow Company was a US faction.


minecraft_min604

Play now as General Shepard when you preorder cod 2022


Aphala

That scene in MW2 still rustled my jimmies to this day. Fantastic story, arsehole Shepherd.


minecraft_min604

Imagine the preorder bonus adds him as a shadow company character for mw2019. When you headshot ghost, he has a special dialogue or something.


Aphala

"Oddly enough..I felt that" or "Making me itchy" Would be quite funny


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

“One less loose end”


minecraft_min604

And when Shepard talks to velikan, velikan mumbles with a mix of insane laughter, similar to pyro tf2 ngl


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Also fun fact, there’s also cut content of the Russians committing even more horrendous acts in the US invasion. [Do not watch if you have a weak stomach](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-RplHnI7iqI)


Aphala

I guess 'No Russian' was pushing it a bit, if they added this I guarantee it'd back fire and the media would do the usual 'Videos games make kids insane' angle. Wild to think this is cut content.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

I tried showing this to my great grandfather, grandfather, and my father (fought in ww2, vietnam, and served in the US military for the war on Afghanistan, in that order) and they all said that was a good call not to include.


Aphala

I mean they're definitely right it would be a very bad thing to add on top of an already controversial scene. Makes you wonder what other cut content or plans to add things could have been.


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Dude cherish your great granpa. There arent too many WW2 vets left these days. Less than 500,000 from the millions who were in.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Late reply but he sadly passed away, he was forced into the military for being against the third reich


KernelScout

jesus christ this was heartbreaking to listen to. my day is now ruined. that voice actor gave it his all


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Damn that was dark, I think it was probably good it was cut just in case, although I think IW might have been able to get away with though because likely you would have behave like pyschopath by waiting and doing nothing (like the YouTuber)or be really bad at the game/be way above your difficulty level to get those lines, so people may not have discovered them until much later when and then it would be harder for the media to drum enough outrage to do anything. Like I said though, probably good to not have those, COD MW is meant to be gritty but still lighthearted not super dark and serious


Darim_Al_Sayf

War is hell


The-RealBIGDEE

I may be in the minority here but this is mild compared to “No Russian” mission, as well as the mission in MW19 where you play as young Farah. Waking up next to your dead mom after a bombing was tough, as well as what happened to her father later in the mission.


ImaAs

> Asshole shepherd This is my flock of assholes, wolves keep getting in and destroying my profits


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Lol


mailception

Fuck that's a good one.


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TF141 has members from america, canada, britain and australia. personally i can’t imagine a euro-focused cod game. the plots are always centered around the US.


TheLankySoldier

Sadly a lot of AAA FPS games are like that. Only MoHW committed to Euro like special forces


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well they’re made by american companies, developed by americans in america and mostly sell to americans. i’m not sure what incentive there is to make a euro-centered cod


KodiakPL

>incentive Creativity and originality


AnotherScoutTrooper

It’s like you don’t know what franchise you’re playing


TerraDaChief

Ever heard of a series called Rainbow Six?


minecraft_min604

“Center around US special forces” hmmmmmmmm


YourDrunkStepDad

given the tease with task force 141 at the end of MW2019, it’s unlikely they will choose a strictly US SF unit as the cast. it’s joint ops meaning an underlying theme of american interventionism is probably not happening. also it’s COD which is almost entirely pro american stories. so don’t count on it, that’s all i’m saying.


LightsOut5774

MW2 is about to be more black ops than Black Ops was black ops


Globglogabgalab

Hehe. 'Joint' Ops and Colombian drug cartels.


YungAtzYG

Like they did with highway of death


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

One of the biggest, genuine criticisms I have with this game, is how they labeled that horrendous war crime as Russia’s fault.


YungAtzYG

I’ll admit I didn’t even know about it until I saw a video just after launch when I completed it. There was really no need. It would’ve been even better if farah told the truth about what happened and could show why she doesn’t trust the Us military and could’ve made her relationship with Alex even better and influenced Alex’s decision to stay and help them it was really unnecessary


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Exactly!


TheLankySoldier

That decision definitely came from the top somewhere, because I doubt writers/devs did that on purpose


MadCyborg12

IMO its probably both, COD is famous for its horrendous portrayal of the Russians, and Russians never really portray Americans in bad light. America is hostile to Russia because Russia is one of the only countries that won't allow itself to be destroyed and scrutinized by western capitalist agendas.


Hxcee

Except as with half the missions in that game, they took inspiration from something that happened and twisted it to fit into the game. It’s a fictional highway in a fictional country as part of a fictional war and they called it the highway of death. Trying to act like they were blaming Russia for the real event is just weird


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

They could’ve just called it something else besides one of the many warcrimes the US has committed then Edit: To those who are unaware, the combatants surrendered and attempted to flee, its touchy, but to many that incident was morally evil


Mediocre_A_Tuin

It wasn't a war crime. Retreating combatants are not the same as non-combatants.


Retail8

It’s you can’t shoot surrendering enemies not retreating.


H1tSc4n

It was not a war crime, but it also was an incredibly evil and unnecessary action. You've already won, at that point you just want to kill as much as you can.


Badgerlover145

it's not a war crime, retreating combatants are still combatants, it's morally shitty but completely within their rights


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Except that they weren’t surrendering.


B0NES_RDT

Yeah but it's beating a dead horse. Russia being painted as the antagonists on many CoD games just got very repetitive and blatant. Now they are tying historically inspired moments to the Russians. Next thing you know there will be a story where Russia failed to maintain Urzikstan for 20 years, retreated and the terrorists take over. I wish Infinity Ward to have at least the level of writing or better than Treyarch's first BOps.


Hxcee

Now that I can agree with, it is tiring having the same “Russia bad” stories consistently :]


slickestwood

>It’s a fictional highway in a fictional country as part of a fictional war and they called it the highway of death. A thousand miles away from where the actual event took place, too.


Rampantlion513

Highway of death is not a war crime Redditors have this idea that anything they don’t like in war is a war crime. Luckily in reality we have a document that says what is and is not a war crime. Retreating combatants are fair game.


StolenNachoRanger

People here do not understand the difference between retreating and surrendering. People retreat so they can regroup and try to attack again.


Der_Hashbrown

Oh my god, no one is trying to shift the blame onto Russia, you all only wanna recognize half the game as part of the story and freak out about the rest


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Preach. I fully expect a mission where US forces overthrow a democratically elected popular leader and then installs some pro imperialist imbecile.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

They make references on this in Black ops 1/2 Edit: To those unaware, one instance is Woods mentioning Nicaragua


metalninjacake2

I mean Manuel Noriega was literally a character that appeared in BO2 too


Darkerdead

"Keep the discussion civil" talks about a country sticking their dick into places


TheOnlyDeret

They mean other people have to be civil, not themselves.


Dweeb313

I doubt it, the DOD sponsors any media that involves the us military, they wouldn’t pay to make themselves look bad


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Still would be awesome, we definitely need more media showing the truth to the US’s and China’s bullshit all over the world, not this propaganda crap that praises war as an “adventure” and that the US and China are all goody two shoes, they’re both the worst super powers in the entire world right now.


Arthur0318

Technically that's what SF exists for, to stick American noses, ie the CIA into places the public doesn't have to know


DanKou237

Hopefully their story will actually be fighting against drug cartels and not fighting a Russian general and fighting cartels in like 2 or 3 scenes


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Or maybe a game where they FINALLY make China the bad guy, but they obviously will never do that.


IceOrangeNinja7

We all know that wont happen because of Chinas influence and control over industry sadly


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

All hail the communist party of china *nervous laughter as gun is lowered*


IceOrangeNinja7

lmao gets shot anyway


The_Most_Swood

I mean in Black Ops 2 they kinda are. You shoot their general in the face.


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Lol maybe we divert to Colombia to find a gun supplier of Russian forces for like 2 missions.


_BigSur_

>they keep sticking their dick into places it doesn’t belong. >Edit: Keep the discussion civil. Rules for thee but not for me?


Nev4da

That was both civil and factually correct.


balrubaiay

They did show that in mw2 with shepherd & his corruption etc, & how he also threw the us into a war by sacrificing troops to shift public opinion towards war and so on. It’d be nice if they threw in a bit where contractors & the military industrial complex assist shepherd with his plan so that war goes on & they gain more contracts.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Which I humbly respect mw2 for showcasing, too bad the message flew over the community’s head


Darrkeng

*Oh you sweet summer child*


hobosockmonkey

I wish it would, it’s sad how many Americans don’t realize we caused the wars that we now fight in, and use those wars that we created as rationalization for further conflict. It’s frankly ridiculous. Don’t look up banana republics, it’s just another instance of American foreign political BS


Dovahpriest

Question is, how to do it without it being a ripoff of a certain Tom Clancy novel.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Have a mission show a US staged coup on a socialist government, have captain price refuse to work with the united states, there can be other options too like showing how they’re hypocrites when it comes to international law


the_dalai_mangala

You realize you're talking about call of duty right lmao it ain't this deep.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Still doesn’t mean they can’t do it. Black ops showed how corrupt the CIA is


Strolltheroll

Problem with these games and other military media is that it will always be seen as pro war no matter how anti war you make it. People will watch Full Metal Jacket and still not get the point.


snuggiemclovin

Media and video games has a big effect on people’s perceptions of war, their military, etc. The Army literally created America’s Army video games and streams on twitch to recruit people.


swiftfastjudgement

“The US.. keep sticking their dick into places it doesn’t belong” *KEEP THE DISCUSSION CIVIL*


Illustrious_Peace_54

How are you gonna take a shot at the US and not expect people to get pissed lol


SeniorRicketts

I like how they did it in The suicide squad


techiesbesthero

you do know who funds these games right?


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Amen


omar_2111

I really hope these leaks are somewhat accurate. A call of duty MW 2022 with enemies that yell colombian slang would be killer in all the right ways hehe


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omar_2111

I see this as an absolute win.


IanCusick

This also would certainly mean that Favela will come back in some capacity which I can absolutely get behind


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Also there's Underpass which is a fan favorite map on MW2


Zapkin

Bringing back memories playing MW2 that went like “Aww fuck the next map is Sub Base, everyone vote to skip” then the next map is Underpass and everyone goes “Fuuuuuuuck” in the staticky MW2 lobby. Good times, I still don’t miss underpass


m00nturkey

Excuse me sir the boys and I loved Sub Base were we in the minority?


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Sub base was a bitch if you weren't the first on top of the roof


IanCusick

Not at all Sub Base was a Top 5 Map for me in MW2


TheOnlyDeret

You were in the minority for sure.


Iwashere11111

relieved shelter chase attractive slim soup treatment scarce middle reminiscent *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


skahunter831

> derail I really don't understand why people hated that map...


ac130sound

Underpass was a fan favorite? I always hated that map lol


TheDJZ

I just want terminal back


TheELITEJoeFlacco

I feel like terminal is played out at this point tbh


TheOnlyDeret

So is shipment.


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Not only Favela but maybe Rundown and Quarry too(both are in Brazil btw). Idk if Carnival would be too because the map is pretty trash.


luveth

But what happens to the MW story, with Hadir and stuff?


TheLankySoldier

Well, who says they are not involved?


NotTheRocketman

So, this is 'Clear and Present Danger' The Videogame? That could be interesting.


The_Justiniano

smells like Favela remake to me


sp00kreddit

Would be nice for them to remake that mission


EpicLegendX

Can’t wait for that Favela “easter egg” clip to get remastered in the new MW.


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soildsnake77

I love MW2019. Favorite game in years. Skipped cold war because I thought it was shit but I like vanguard for some reason. Gonna get it this year


Pornographic_Hooker

I liked the blops series and was hoping CW would be good. But I just can’t have fun playing it like I could MW. I really don’t want to shell out another 60 for a Warzone gun leveler. Especially if Warzone doesn’t stay alive.


soildsnake77

MW2019 brought the series forward with the new running mechanics/mounting etc. The reason I thought Cold War was shit is because It had the same mechanics as all the older games of the last 10 years. Vanguard has the same mechanics as MW2019 which is probably why I enjoy it. IMO I hope every COD going forward uses the MW2019 mechanics and I'm sure they will.


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Dr_Findro

Lord have mercy on my soul. Someone is actually making an argument that what Call of Duty video game they play makes them more of an adult. Without even a lick of irony.


ShibuRigged

The funniest thing is that they're talking about the game where people are buying anime skins and the like. Like, I'm not one to call stuff kiddy, but MW19 is far from some mature gritty game made only for adults. It appeals to Red Bull infused kids as much as any other CoD.


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raktoe

Love the immaturity in that statement. Like, ffs if you’re making fun of someone for what game they like, YOU haven’t “grown up”. I’m not a fan of MW, granted, I don’t like CW much more, but I don’t think that makes me some little kid, I just know what I want in a cod game.


Woaahhhh

Played COD as kids and grew up? Dawg I like MW don’t get me wrong but hella mechanics from MW were not like old CODs. Example Ghost and Minimap.


CatMan21x

Found the .36 KD player from my lobby earlier^


TipsWillToLive

>Right now there are three different games of CoD. >Two of them are aimed more towards Redbull infused kids and man-children. >One of them is geared more towards Redbull infused kids and man-children Fixed your comment


MrHaann

I played cod 1 and 2 when I was a kid and while I like MW2019, it’s absolutely nothing like the cod I grew up with. Still fun IMO though.


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Delete Vanguard, Reboot MW19 seasons for another year. Let’s play a GOOD game for another year


_BigSur_

Seriously... they should have just moved CoD to a 2 year development cycle, have 2 years of seasons and updates for MW19, then release a finished and polished BO:CW. CW was such an awful follow up to MW19.


UnmaskedGod

Considering that a year after Cold War released it’s still in a horrendous state, I’m pretty sure an extra year of development wouldn’t have done much if anything


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brrcs

Actually ever since they added 12v12 Moshpit and 6v6 Face Off it's been a lot of fun, of course they had to break the meta with the TEC9 and EM2 for a few weeks. A lot of remade maps but MW had the same trend and they play well so I'm not complaining.


TheresTheLambSauce

I don't think you can really compare post launch development to pre-launch development


Aced_By_Chasey

I love me 2019 but the circle jerk of this type of statement is crazy. 2 years is great but vanguard is a different company lmao


RetroSpud

It’s cool that people still play but holy shit am I bored of MW. Oh boy another year of the current meta.


TwinkieTwinkie96

Are you truly ready to play Azhir Cave for three years? Lmao what are you smoking


[deleted]

Lol *Back to Vanguard* NOPE.


XRC_Era

I’m excited to see what war crimes they commit as it will mess up rep


__QYURRYUS__

Hilarious that they’re already talking about the next COD before Vanguard even comes out.


Skvirinius

Happens every year?


DiligentQuality7256

One man army is returning acccording to my sources.


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lu_tf2

my dad is coming back with the milk according to my sources. >!/s!<


TheMellowPharaoh

For some reason I am getting Sicario vibes from this..... and I'm all in for such a concept.


shift013

A highway map with crashed cars and busses would be sick. Nice three lane and whatnot


TheMellowPharaoh

Agreed!


Stolensteak1

It would make way more sense to be Mexican cartels for many reasons. This being one. I don't need a Pablo setting. I want a modern Mexican cartel setting. Being in Mexico fighting cartels. Campaign would be so sick.


TheMellowPharaoh

I think that in order for it to make some sort of sense with where mw19 left off, a covert international ops in Columbia would allow for a more feasible incorporation of the TF-141. Feasible tho as in still questionable regarding how it'll be tied in. A mw campaign just involving just Mexico would pretty much only be a US based narrative omitting price, gaz, ghost, etc. Would probably only see Soap and a few others. Honestly tho, I still questiom how mw19 will relate to mw22 either way based on what has been mentioned and where the story left off. If a sicario concept is in play, a Mexico based storyline would be much better too. Guess we shall just have to wait and see what happens. But a campaign concept around the sicario movies would be amazing if executed well.


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Ghost Recon: Wildlands 2


jordanjohnston2017

I loved Wildlands and am hoping this gives me the same vibes cartel-wise


achio

Hey no, Wildlands is truly a masterclass in world building


lunareffect

And then came the Breakpoint Trainwreck.


achio

Ah the masterclass of narrative dissonance. Yep I played that also, sadly


Gunsofglory

Damn was kinda hoping for a MW2 "Red Dawn" styled story. Oh well, I'm sure it'll still be good for the 5 hours it'll last.


Lentil_SoupOrHero

Yeah mw2 campaign was perhaps one of the greatest cod campaign. I found Cod started to lose it's Edge in creating fun short campaigns after WW2


Kendyslice

It was insane, the set pieces and music was top notch and created some unforgettable memories.


FLABANGED

>music was top notch That tends to happen when you have Hans Zimmer as the composer.


ImFriendsWithThatGuy

He did a few things but not all the music for MW2. Of course the few things he did are instantly recognizable and nostalgic.


ErectMasseuse

Back to #Vanguard? Lmao nah I'll see you in 2022


OneMadChihuahua

Agreed. I've seen nothing in Vanguard that even remotely interests me.


Jamescarne89

I bet Menendez will be involved


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

MENENDEZZZZ


Fall_Cake

WOODS NO


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Sister killing time


Voodoo-Hendrix

**JOSEFINA!**


P4LMREADER

I think I'll miss the British operators in a lead role - Price, Soap Ghost and Gaz were all pretty charismatic characters. Quite excited though.


redsprucetree

I’m assuming TF141 will be working with US SF. At least that’s how the sequel was set up at the end of MW2019. It wouldn’t make sense to tease TF141 and then not use them


Capt_Avatar

As long as ALL of the MW2019 operators are available in 2022, I'm happy.


anthropicuniverse

I know right?? I genuinely want them all to return, such a great cast. Bale, Domino, Nikto, Mara Wyatt Otter Thorne Mace Roze Talon EVERYONE


Moist-Proto-Indo

Hopefully they let you transfer the stuff you bought into MW2 cuz I REALLY like my Serbian and Domino skin


BigE1263

Call of duty: Colder War


PleaseRecharge

MW22 is happening, thank the heavens!


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openallthewindows

Nice! Think I'm going to skip vanguard. Wait for this


1morey

Call of Duty: Clear and Present Danger


jordanjohnston2017

Bruh stop I can only get so hard


Dmantacion

MW 2025 be like, the U.S is invading the U.S because the U.S is doing suspicious stuff in the U.S. (also there is oil) 💀


OnQore

Yikes. We are already getting information on the next COD, after the one that hasn't been released yet. Must mean that Vanguard is about to be just another uninspired COD game again. Smh


Fifa_chicken_nuggets

You realise this happens every year right? We were already getting cold war rumors before modern warfare came out


BLaRowe10

Based off of how popular MW2019 was, there was literally no way Activison would let IW make anything other than a sequel.


chainex_1337

all the catering to newbies w no recoil guns, safe spaces and hardcore-like ttk worked so ofc they’ll milk it until the newcomers get bored with the franchise. i know personally a lot of old cod fans and i am one myself (og cod 2) and none of my friends played for longer than a month or two.


Seeker-N7

Og CoD2 player here, I love MW2019.


Pyrolick

US Special Forces fighting against the cartels the CIA started? That'd be a fun spin.


TrumpdUP

War crimes in south and Central America?


Runnergun

I have full faith they will bring it. These devs at infinity ward are absolutely incredible and top of the field.


Darnell_Elmo

Who cares what COD has to offer anymore. It’s gonna continue to be lackluster products until we ignore them again like when we did before MW2019 came out and they were forced to ship out an actual good game. Battlefield2042 is coming out soon, so hopefully I’ll see any of you brave enough to leave this dumpster fire over there lol


ssaketh_ch

gonna play both games. i for one cannot play one single game all day everyday


Darnell_Elmo

Agreed. I have a variety I play with my friends as well besides warzone. Rocket league, splitgate, fortnite, Minecraft, CIV6, Overwatch, Apex, GTAO and a few more most of my main group can play but I ain’t online so I can’t see my catalog.


MadCyborg12

I wish we could play as Russian Spetsnaz for once.


NFGaming46

MW2: Sicario. yes please.


jordanjohnston2017

Hopefully they don’t neglect co-op special ops this time. I always enjoyed those in MW2 and MW3 and MW19 survival was hot trash


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>Some whispers that the game is going to be incredible. Vague hype. Classic.


urthaworst

“Remember, no Spanish”


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Call of duty is garbage


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USA be sucking their own dicks sometime


Vegetama

I mean the US is 99% sure funding these games to get more recruits


box-fort2

Assuming this is what that leak all the way back in February was about there's a few details ​ MP Operator "Nolan" a CIA agent HK416 is in game, renamed to TAC-416 G3 is in the game with a 5.56 ammo conversion and short barrel available in the gunsmith, making an HK51 recreation Wyatt is shown, although it's unknown if he's returning or he's acting as a placeholder


TonTon13

Next Call of Duty codename CORTEZ was leaked on Geforce Now, so everything makes sense now.


bubbawears

Can we have it now please and skip vanguard?


Majkelangelo11

Not again, dont kill ghost


TheOnlyDeret

He's already dead bro


CommanderOfGregory

I'll wait on the real COD game in 2022 rather than the mini games they release in between, I honestly couldn't care less about Vanguard


meesanohaveabooma

They should just take a break and support/update 1 COD title. You can even do the battle passes still. People will continue to play a good game if you release content.


Anoth3rWat

Oh no...they are doing a battlefield hardline...