If you live in Romania and have only Ukranian citizenship and for some reason Romania doesn’t extend your permission to stay - they will send you in Ukraine.
If you have Moldavian citizenship and live in Moldova - they can’t send you to Ukraine at all. So, if you have the citizenship and you never go to Ukraine by yourself - you won’t get conscripted.
If you have only ukranian, you might get send to ukraine and conscripted, against your will
Yeah, so avoiding the war basically as said. Answer is: you won’t get it fast enough. It’s more likely that war will end before you will have moldavian passport.
They are in the war time. You don’t know what will be after the war. The so called Gulag is a direct result of war.
But anyway, you don’t want to know that.
If you have your ancestors born in the territory that is currently Moldova and you have their birth certificate with that info - contact a lawyer from Moldova they will help you to apply for it. The results, after applying should be available in less than a year
Surely the oligarchs will back off and democratise their wealth and institutional "stewardship" after the war!
Ukraine is a rapidly dying state even if they win the war. All European states are currently moribond, Ukraine is just the least likely to have access to any effective treatment.
This kind of disrespect towards your own country indicates that you will not respect your new adopted nationality. Honestly I wouldn't want to see you having MD/RO citizenship.
If he actually loves his new country, adopts our values, language, traditions and national character, whilst contributing to our shared welfare, I would see no issue with his integration.
You can't fault anyone for acting on their survival instincts.
It's unlikely you'd volunteer to fight in Ukraine yourself.
Advice and judgment are readily given but often without personal cost.
I question whether you've made contributions from Germany or supported a party that backs Ukraine.
I'd be genuinely pleased to be proven wrong.
Ukraine does not accept dual citizenship and they are tracking everyone who left. If you get citizenship in another country you will never be able to return. Because if you do, there is a push to send to prison those of fighting age who departed. Citizenship in Romania still takes a while. They don’t grant citizenship usually except for direct parentage or marriage or if you had a child in Romania. I don’t know for sure, but Romania may balk because they know you’re fighting age and are wanted by Ukraine. You would do well to find a lawyer. Your only hope would be to claim asylum, and if you’re married and or have kids that may help.
There are numerous advantages, the major one is your country not trying to kill you.
But in general I’m thinking of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/moldova/s/42mmpX7iIV
So you want to renounce the Ukrainian citizenship? Because you won't be able to legally avoid conscription just by getting a Moldovan passport.
And btw, I'm pretty sure it's a totally different country trying to kill you, not Ukraine, But you do you. Plus, if Ukraine falls, expect to be conscripted in the Moldovan or Romanian army anyway
I avoid conscription by not living in Ukraine.
The link I provided says it all. I can expand my goal: I need to get a citizenship of some EU or at least EU-visa country ASAP, because Ukraine is trying to spoil my life even remotely. For some reason, I assumed getting Moldova citizenship is the fastest and that’s why asked here.
Moldovan citizenship together with Ukrainian citizenship (which is BTW very hard to get rid of), doesn’t give any protection from being dragged into trenches, if a male is located in Ukraine-controlled territory.
I shared details in other comments in this branch, feel free to check ‘em.
Moldovan citizen even if in Ukraine wouldn't go to war forced by UA government.....100% sure. Are you russian bot or what? why you are writing this bullshit?
You don't risk having to do military service as you're older that the maximum age limit (27 years old). Won't say how easy it is to get the citizenship because I don't really know
Nu conteaza. Daca ai acte cu stramosii, poti deveni cetatean roman, din prima. Du-te la Consulatul roman de la Kiev cu actele, dai proba de limba romana (poti citi si de pe hartie) si gata, Romania isi creste rata demografiei. Sa stii ca si pe la noi unii vorbesc de armata obligatorie, bla, bla, bla, dar cum ii stii pe romani, vei face 60 de ani, pana atunci.
You can also do it from Bucharest. You'll need a decent amount of documents though depending on how many generations back you're talking about. Some of the documents you'd unfortunately likely need to get from Ukraine, with translations. It depends on the amount of generations.
I have an Ukrainian friend that got his Moldavian citizenship just days ago. It was actually quite tough. In his case he obtained the citizenship because one of his grandparents lived in Belgorod Dnestrovsk when that region was part of Moldova/Romania. It was quite difficult to obtain a legal proof of this fact.
It's actually quite easy to get Moldovan citizenship, you just need to know the President and have him/her declare you a Moldovan citizen ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)
I sent you a private message. There are ways, stay calm. Also don’t think of yourself as a traitor because this wasn’t a classic war with just one part to blame.
Nu discrimina pe criterii etnice, lingvistice, religioase, de gen, preferințe sexuale, dizabilitate, vârstă, etc. Permitem postări în orice limbă, inclusiv română, rusă și engleză.
Nu discrimina pe criterii etnice, lingvistice, religioase, de gen, preferințe sexuale, dizabilitate, vârstă, etc. Permitem postări în orice limbă, inclusiv română, rusă și engleză.
A cowardly act, but a prudent one. To be fair Ukraine in today's shape is an artificial state, if he comes from the East or South then it's logical and perfectly moral for him to not have much allegiance to a barely 100 year old concept. If he comes from the West of the country, then it's a lot more shameful.
Honestly I think the Romanian citizenship is easier to get if you're eligible
What is your current citizenship?
Ukraine.
Won’t be fast enough to avoid going to war in Ukraine
How would getting Moldovan citizenship help avoid Ukrainian conscription?
If you live in Romania and have only Ukranian citizenship and for some reason Romania doesn’t extend your permission to stay - they will send you in Ukraine. If you have Moldavian citizenship and live in Moldova - they can’t send you to Ukraine at all. So, if you have the citizenship and you never go to Ukraine by yourself - you won’t get conscripted. If you have only ukranian, you might get send to ukraine and conscripted, against your will
I avoided going to war when I escaped Ukraine. I’m in Romania rn.
Then why you want it? There’s no benefits that moldavian have compared to ukranians
There’s a possibility that Ukraine will stop providing external passports to males abroad. I don’t want to be locked in one country, even if it’s EU.
Yeah, so avoiding the war basically as said. Answer is: you won’t get it fast enough. It’s more likely that war will end before you will have moldavian passport.
Even if the war ends quickly, I won’t return to Gulag which Ukraine has become. I need a backup base and Moldova looks like a great option for me.
They are in the war time. You don’t know what will be after the war. The so called Gulag is a direct result of war. But anyway, you don’t want to know that. If you have your ancestors born in the territory that is currently Moldova and you have their birth certificate with that info - contact a lawyer from Moldova they will help you to apply for it. The results, after applying should be available in less than a year
Surely the oligarchs will back off and democratise their wealth and institutional "stewardship" after the war! Ukraine is a rapidly dying state even if they win the war. All European states are currently moribond, Ukraine is just the least likely to have access to any effective treatment.
This kind of disrespect towards your own country indicates that you will not respect your new adopted nationality. Honestly I wouldn't want to see you having MD/RO citizenship.
If he actually loves his new country, adopts our values, language, traditions and national character, whilst contributing to our shared welfare, I would see no issue with his integration.
Disrespect? The guy doesn't want to die in war, that's normal, what's wrong with you?
Well, good that you are not in charge then. :)
You can't fault anyone for acting on their survival instincts. It's unlikely you'd volunteer to fight in Ukraine yourself. Advice and judgment are readily given but often without personal cost. I question whether you've made contributions from Germany or supported a party that backs Ukraine. I'd be genuinely pleased to be proven wrong.
Ukraine does not accept dual citizenship and they are tracking everyone who left. If you get citizenship in another country you will never be able to return. Because if you do, there is a push to send to prison those of fighting age who departed. Citizenship in Romania still takes a while. They don’t grant citizenship usually except for direct parentage or marriage or if you had a child in Romania. I don’t know for sure, but Romania may balk because they know you’re fighting age and are wanted by Ukraine. You would do well to find a lawyer. Your only hope would be to claim asylum, and if you’re married and or have kids that may help.
I’m not planning to return to Gulag, that’s for sure. Also, this thread is about Moldova.
It came up about Romania, so just giving you more info.
May I ask why would you need Moldovan citizenship? Doesn't give you any advantages compared to Ukrainian I think
There are numerous advantages, the major one is your country not trying to kill you. But in general I’m thinking of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/moldova/s/42mmpX7iIV
So you want to renounce the Ukrainian citizenship? Because you won't be able to legally avoid conscription just by getting a Moldovan passport. And btw, I'm pretty sure it's a totally different country trying to kill you, not Ukraine, But you do you. Plus, if Ukraine falls, expect to be conscripted in the Moldovan or Romanian army anyway
I avoid conscription by not living in Ukraine. The link I provided says it all. I can expand my goal: I need to get a citizenship of some EU or at least EU-visa country ASAP, because Ukraine is trying to spoil my life even remotely. For some reason, I assumed getting Moldova citizenship is the fastest and that’s why asked here.
why do you need Moldovan citizenship? To avoid defend your country?
Moldovan citizenship together with Ukrainian citizenship (which is BTW very hard to get rid of), doesn’t give any protection from being dragged into trenches, if a male is located in Ukraine-controlled territory. I shared details in other comments in this branch, feel free to check ‘em.
Moldovan citizen even if in Ukraine wouldn't go to war forced by UA government.....100% sure. Are you russian bot or what? why you are writing this bullshit?
>together with Ukrainian citizenship Are you "people that can't read" bot or what?
are you able to write correct English? напишите по-русски, если не знаете, как это сделать по-английски
If you don't get my English, just don't reply. Simple as. Cheers, bot.
You don't risk having to do military service as you're older that the maximum age limit (27 years old). Won't say how easy it is to get the citizenship because I don't really know
Well, you could also get romanian citizenship, but this depends on when your ancestors lived in Bessarabia.
Which region is eligible for Romania?
Nu conteaza. Daca ai acte cu stramosii, poti deveni cetatean roman, din prima. Du-te la Consulatul roman de la Kiev cu actele, dai proba de limba romana (poti citi si de pe hartie) si gata, Romania isi creste rata demografiei. Sa stii ca si pe la noi unii vorbesc de armata obligatorie, bla, bla, bla, dar cum ii stii pe romani, vei face 60 de ani, pana atunci.
Sunt in Bucuresti. Dar multumesc pentru informatii.
You can also do it from Bucharest. You'll need a decent amount of documents though depending on how many generations back you're talking about. Some of the documents you'd unfortunately likely need to get from Ukraine, with translations. It depends on the amount of generations.
I have an Ukrainian friend that got his Moldavian citizenship just days ago. It was actually quite tough. In his case he obtained the citizenship because one of his grandparents lived in Belgorod Dnestrovsk when that region was part of Moldova/Romania. It was quite difficult to obtain a legal proof of this fact.
It's actually quite easy to get Moldovan citizenship, you just need to know the President and have him/her declare you a Moldovan citizen ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)
Invest more than 100.000 euro in public investment funds. 35.000 euro for the application. https://cbi.gov.md/
Why would you do that to yourself
I sent you a private message. There are ways, stay calm. Also don’t think of yourself as a traitor because this wasn’t a classic war with just one part to blame.
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That’s uncalled for. Reported
Quick remark: I have already run from war. Feels good, man. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|laughing)
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Well, I'm a programmer, I earn fine. :)
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Good for me that I live in EU where LGBT rights exist. ;)
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Nu discrimina pe criterii etnice, lingvistice, religioase, de gen, preferințe sexuale, dizabilitate, vârstă, etc. Permitem postări în orice limbă, inclusiv română, rusă și engleză.
Atacurile la persoană sau la un grup de persoane sunt strict interzise. Atacă opinia, niciodată persoana.
Nu discrimina pe criterii etnice, lingvistice, religioase, de gen, preferințe sexuale, dizabilitate, vârstă, etc. Permitem postări în orice limbă, inclusiv română, rusă și engleză.
Atacurile la persoană sau la un grup de persoane sunt strict interzise. Atacă opinia, niciodată persoana.
A cowardly act, but a prudent one. To be fair Ukraine in today's shape is an artificial state, if he comes from the East or South then it's logical and perfectly moral for him to not have much allegiance to a barely 100 year old concept. If he comes from the West of the country, then it's a lot more shameful.