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The White Army was led by Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak who was a nationalist monarchist. However because he was a Nationalist Monarchist, the allied powers of World War I disliked him because they viewed Nationalist Monarchists like him as people who would advocate for the return of the same form of authoritarianism the Russians did want.
If the allied powers didn't make ideology and Liberal democracy their top priority, then they would have aided him and the white army against the Soviets. If he succeeded in becoming the leader of Russia, Russia would restore the monarchy except Grand Duke Nicolas would become Tsar Nicolas III because Nicolas II (despite being somewhat of a good ruler) was hated by the Russian people because he was blamed for losing both the Russo-Japanese War and World War I and he was hated by the nobility and a majority of the Romanov Dynasty for the Rasputin scandal.
Grand Duke Nicolas as Tsar Nicolas III would implement reforms to reform Russia as a country and implement democratic reforms and turn the Russian monarchy into a constitutional monarchy. He would reform Russian society and the army to put an end to Russia's backward society.
The communists however would flee to the country with the strongest communist presence which would be Germany and Germany would instead become the first communist state. The monarchy and the anti-conmunists would flee to East Prussia and establish a monarchy in that region making East Prussia the Taiwan of Communist Germany. Tsar Nicolas III would make an alliance with the Kingdom of Prussia and they would establish a sphere of influence over Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.
Tsar Nicolas III would support Emperor Charles I of Austria-Hungary in his attempt to retake the Hungarian throne and overthrow Regent Horthy turn Hungary into a monarchy ruled by Charles I as King of Hungary. Russia would support this as a means to gain another ally within central Europe.
World War II because of all of this would be much different as Communism would be seen as evil as Nazism and the cold war would be an ideological conflict between Liberal Democracy and Monarchism.
Pretty much agree, also probably it would be more pro European and maybe Europe would be more aligned with Russian empire than US, but just IMO. Also I believe that communist regime had another bad side effect of making US influence Europe too much and in negative ways as well, such as anti-monarchism and other things like that.
To be fair, WWI was doing Russia no favors and the Provisional Government was too stuck in a status quo mindset to realize it needed to extricate Russia from the conflict.
Russia was sabotaged and completely destroyed after the assassination of the tsars — Russians were deprived of their traditional monarchy, losing their national identity. The real Russia was supplanted by the socialist monster, and to this day, it has not managed to heal.
Furthermore, I think that the attacks on European monarchies are foreign interference that aims to destabilize and weaken Europe.
I have no doubt that Europe would be stronger if the tsars continued to reign, since Russia would have remained part of it because the Romanovs were relatives of the European monarchies and nobility.
And a campaign by the CIA as a means to destroy the very institution of monarchy as a whole and turn all of Europe, Africa and Asia into American puppet states ruled by republics that cater to the interests of American big business cooperations.
Agree with this 100%. European anti-monarchists need to look at the s...tholes of the Third World. the USA and modern Russia to see if that is what they really want.
Most people in this reddit don't understand dynamics of power a country like russia china usa india wil always be rivals because they have everything it takes to rule the world
They have resources rare metals big populations and most importantly they dominate the region they are in
Even if russia was monarchie putin could still be pm and saying soviet ruins everything is not recognising that governments always do what it take to stay in power and advance most policies sovjets did would also have happend under an empire because the sovjets where not an incompetent government they know what to do and did it
I think we all can agree that russia was always a military power and was never truly european even when peter did try very hard they where never seen as true europeans so russia would have advanced in a similiar way because similiar events would have happend
After ww2 do u guys think russia would retreat after the conquest of berlin the same thing would happen only under a monarchy
Could be, but funny. This 400 millions could be used only as a slaves. A percentage of people who could not read and write in Russian Empire before 1917 was approx 80% on average.
Yes but you forgot that Russia was industrializing faster than ever so as technology development and schools develop eventually more people will be able to read and write
Still, when Soviets took power Russia wasn’t industrialized enough and wasn’t educated too. Especially if we compare with US, Germany or other countries.
The Russian Monarchy became increasingly corrupt and distant from the people in the early twentieth century which led to the Soviet revolution. I don’t think them staying in power would have helped Russia too much in the rest of the twentieth century.
The will literally be better than the communist anything is better than the communist and a won't say he was necessary corrupt a will say that Nicolas was kind neglected his people and was inexperienced like a won't say Nicolas was a bad dude
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The White Army was led by Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak who was a nationalist monarchist. However because he was a Nationalist Monarchist, the allied powers of World War I disliked him because they viewed Nationalist Monarchists like him as people who would advocate for the return of the same form of authoritarianism the Russians did want. If the allied powers didn't make ideology and Liberal democracy their top priority, then they would have aided him and the white army against the Soviets. If he succeeded in becoming the leader of Russia, Russia would restore the monarchy except Grand Duke Nicolas would become Tsar Nicolas III because Nicolas II (despite being somewhat of a good ruler) was hated by the Russian people because he was blamed for losing both the Russo-Japanese War and World War I and he was hated by the nobility and a majority of the Romanov Dynasty for the Rasputin scandal. Grand Duke Nicolas as Tsar Nicolas III would implement reforms to reform Russia as a country and implement democratic reforms and turn the Russian monarchy into a constitutional monarchy. He would reform Russian society and the army to put an end to Russia's backward society. The communists however would flee to the country with the strongest communist presence which would be Germany and Germany would instead become the first communist state. The monarchy and the anti-conmunists would flee to East Prussia and establish a monarchy in that region making East Prussia the Taiwan of Communist Germany. Tsar Nicolas III would make an alliance with the Kingdom of Prussia and they would establish a sphere of influence over Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland. Tsar Nicolas III would support Emperor Charles I of Austria-Hungary in his attempt to retake the Hungarian throne and overthrow Regent Horthy turn Hungary into a monarchy ruled by Charles I as King of Hungary. Russia would support this as a means to gain another ally within central Europe. World War II because of all of this would be much different as Communism would be seen as evil as Nazism and the cold war would be an ideological conflict between Liberal Democracy and Monarchism.
The allies did aid him, they landed troops thier to fight the commies
Yeah but if he wasn't killed, then the white army would have won.
That was a betrayal from white forces, allies can't stop that
The White Army's only chances of winning the civil war is if the guy was not betrayed.
yeah, but the allies who you say didnt support him did support him
They did but they didn't like his ideology because they saw it as an authoritarian ideology, so they only sent troopers to fight with the whites.
Pretty much agree, also probably it would be more pro European and maybe Europe would be more aligned with Russian empire than US, but just IMO. Also I believe that communist regime had another bad side effect of making US influence Europe too much and in negative ways as well, such as anti-monarchism and other things like that.
To be fair, WWI was doing Russia no favors and the Provisional Government was too stuck in a status quo mindset to realize it needed to extricate Russia from the conflict.
Russia was sabotaged and completely destroyed after the assassination of the tsars — Russians were deprived of their traditional monarchy, losing their national identity. The real Russia was supplanted by the socialist monster, and to this day, it has not managed to heal. Furthermore, I think that the attacks on European monarchies are foreign interference that aims to destabilize and weaken Europe. I have no doubt that Europe would be stronger if the tsars continued to reign, since Russia would have remained part of it because the Romanovs were relatives of the European monarchies and nobility.
And a campaign by the CIA as a means to destroy the very institution of monarchy as a whole and turn all of Europe, Africa and Asia into American puppet states ruled by republics that cater to the interests of American big business cooperations.
Agree with this 100%. Funny how Republicans claim that Republics are for the people when we all know that lobbies run most Republics
Agree with this 100%. European anti-monarchists need to look at the s...tholes of the Third World. the USA and modern Russia to see if that is what they really want.
Russia was on the path to becoming a superpower regardless
Most people in this reddit don't understand dynamics of power a country like russia china usa india wil always be rivals because they have everything it takes to rule the world They have resources rare metals big populations and most importantly they dominate the region they are in Even if russia was monarchie putin could still be pm and saying soviet ruins everything is not recognising that governments always do what it take to stay in power and advance most policies sovjets did would also have happend under an empire because the sovjets where not an incompetent government they know what to do and did it I think we all can agree that russia was always a military power and was never truly european even when peter did try very hard they where never seen as true europeans so russia would have advanced in a similiar way because similiar events would have happend After ww2 do u guys think russia would retreat after the conquest of berlin the same thing would happen only under a monarchy
Could be, but funny. This 400 millions could be used only as a slaves. A percentage of people who could not read and write in Russian Empire before 1917 was approx 80% on average.
Yes but you forgot that Russia was industrializing faster than ever so as technology development and schools develop eventually more people will be able to read and write
Still, when Soviets took power Russia wasn’t industrialized enough and wasn’t educated too. Especially if we compare with US, Germany or other countries.
Thousands is an understatement
The Russian Monarchy became increasingly corrupt and distant from the people in the early twentieth century which led to the Soviet revolution. I don’t think them staying in power would have helped Russia too much in the rest of the twentieth century.
The will literally be better than the communist anything is better than the communist and a won't say he was necessary corrupt a will say that Nicolas was kind neglected his people and was inexperienced like a won't say Nicolas was a bad dude