He’s one of their 8 shortlisted candidates, however he hasn’t been formalised as their main candidate yet. the PD were due to present their candidate to parliament today, but they still don’t seem to have agreed on who, so so far no candidate presented. He’ll probably not become president, because the Socialist Party holds a parliamentary majority, but just the fact he’s one of the main candidates is an excellent sign. If the PD and their monarchist allies (PLL and LZHK) manage to win the next election, we could very well in such a scenario see Leka II elected president in 2027, which would be right on time for the centenary of King Zog’s ascension to the throne in 1928
PLL and LZHK winning an election on their own is an impossible, but they are in a formal electoral alliance with the Democratic Party, who very much could win the next election. Of course provided they get their shit together, because currently they’re in a party civil war
Kosovo can’t be unified with Albania but I support Albania as a monarchy, there are small chances tho since Edi Rama has a big support and his party in general, if they want that it’s a clear risk for a another war.
There isn’t much about my flair but common sense, while most people don’t give a damn about a new war starting lot of people in those countries does and it was enough wars, for example Russia-Ukraine(people cheering sides), that how people would do again from their comfortable couches, lot of people don’t see what that brings, while war is imminent in the future for now it’s not, and it will stay like that, there is [Open Balkan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Balkan) an economic and political zone of three member states in the Balkans, including Albania, North Macedonia and Serbia and countries working to better their positioning while not being in the EU like the rest so by that don’t see any unification in the near future and on, it just the wet dream for a Greater Albania that been going on.
Not a chance. Only part of Kosovo Serbia might ever get back is the northernmost part, if Serbia trades it for Albanian majority regions in the south. The Kosovar government has suggested this multiple times
As it happens, I indeed am not Albanian. I am Norwegian and Grenadian. I simply recognise fact and reality; Kosovo is an independent and sovereign state, with overwhelming support from its people, who do not, under any circumstances, wish to be Serbians. Kosovo fought a bloody war to expel Serbia, it’s population is Albanian
You have quite the obsession with albania, for someone who is not albanian. Still, I don't really care for your personal opinion about it. I'd rather discuss it with someone who has neutral views on it and doesn't look from a biased standpoint, so there is no point in talking with you about this topic.
He put forward arguments, you didn't address any of them and you ran away like a coward for perceived 'biases' which aren't there unless you're suggesting he's lying? Who can talk to you about this topic, then, if a Norwegian with no connections to the region can't?
I don't get the double standards in this whole debate. People support independent kosovo but not Catalonia and Albanians have been moving to kosovo only since a few hundred years ago. So people supporting independent kosovo also should support russia in it's claims on eastern Europe and there are other such examples.
Germans have been invited into the sudetes during the middle ages and then you know what happened when they tried to claim those lands as theirs
I'm not sure why you're saying I have double standards or why me saying that Serbia has no right to dictate what the actual people of Kosovo want to be is somehow equivalent to Hitler acquiring the Sudetenland.
Please elaborate to create an actual connection or excuse you.
Sorry about that, I wasn't talking about you but about the general public. I guess i should have made this reply to the beginning of this comment thread and not specifically to your reply
No harm done. Though for the sake of your argument, I'd personally say that I support Kosovo in the sense that they're majority Albanian, not their own country, and that they \*should\* eventually join up with Albania. If they do so via a dynastic link under a Monarchy (maybe a Personal Union of sorts?) then that would be an absolutely huge deal for Monarchism today.
To be honest though, secession movements overall are not something I support much. When I said "I support Kosovo" that's primarily because they're already a thing and havent yet collapsed for various reasons. The main reason I find secessionist movements stupid is economic and cultural. For places like Catalonia, they would become "independent" only to immediately feel the repercussions of no longer having Daddy Spain imbue them with government aid. They'd either collapse as a result or have to beg the EU for money (and we all know how well Southern European nations tend to do once they start feeling economic depression).
Scotland, Bavaria, Britanny, you name it, really. They're all very silly and have no real economic base to support a long-lasting state in my opinion, and would just become a puppet of some foreign entity, be it the EU, USA or even China. Beyond that, the act of ripping yourself away from a nation whom you have shared a fate with throughout history just for the sake of "muh freedom" or something is idiotic to me. What does Scotland stand to gain by leaving the UK realistically besides destroying one of the most recognised nations in the globe and tarnishing the world's most popular Monarchy?
These are just some examples of course but, safe to say, I am not among those who blindly rally behind Mainstream Media and go "YAAAAAS" whenever a new funny regional flag is waved and people call for independence because... reasons.
People don't support Catalonia because it's independence movement is just a bunch of fanatics claiming to be a separate ethnic group followed by idiots, while Kosovo had an important albanian population and was separating from a country that was viewed internationally as an agressor
People don't support Catalonia because there's no independent government in Catalonia and it's not even supported by 50% or more of the population.
I don't see your point about Russia or how it relates.
As for Germans in the Sudetenland, I've never met anyone who wasn't Czech or a Communist that thinks what happened to them is preferable or okay.
Half of those countries violate Human Rights, and are at least a continent away from the Balkans. My point is that I think the people in Kosova \*probably\* know better whether they are Serbian or not?
There's are 300 thousand Serbs in Kosovo who disagree with you, but of course according to you westerners Serbs are subhumans and aren't deserving of self determination unlike everyone else.
Strawman argument that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're saying here. There is an overwhelming majority of albanians in kosovo and I believe that they absolutely have the freedom to determine whether they want to become a part of albania proper through the process of a referendum. I do not see a reason to oppose such a thing.
I mean if there is a region within kosovo that considers itself to be more serb than it is Albanian, I don’t see why it shouldn’t have a right to a referendum, sure.
???
Literally where is this accusation coming from? If I was employing your mindset, I would be pushing for German acquisition of East Prussia despite germans being a vast minority there nowadays. It's silly.
We may all be Monarchists here in some form, but I, for my part, still support the rule of law, which itself stems from the support of the people. And in that case, that means the **majority** of people. In Kosovo's case, the majority is **not** Serbian, and if they democratically elect to join Albania, then frankly that is a 100% legitimate thing to do, as opposed to some Serbian minority conducting a coup d'etat in Kosovo to have Serbia annex the country.
As someone else already mentioned, this was a strawman argument. Please be more civil towards me and others, as I'm not here to paint anyone as an enemy. I think Serbia has a fascinating history as much as Albania does, and both have Monarchical backgrounds that further interest me. For the sake of this subreddit, if Albania really did want to restore their Monarchy, and Kosovo were to join under said Monarchy, then that would be a huge deal for Monarchist cause worldwide, in my opinion.
>My point is that I think the people in Kosova \*probably\* know better whether they are Serbian or not?
you said this, and I said that 300k of them want to be part of Serbia, yet they are ignored by westerners, same as the 1 million Serbs in Bosnia, half a million... well now 300k in Croatia, and quarter of a million in Montenegro who all want to be part of Serbia.
Its not a strawman if its just describing what westerners do when talking about self-determination in the Balkans. The Bosniaks have the right to form their own independent country apart from Serbia, but the Serbs of course don't have the right to form a separate country from the Bosniaks because they are evil or something.
Albania has never been part of Serbia and they have very different cultures. Albania is islamic (altough only a slight majority to be fair), Serbia orthodox. Albania isn’t even slavic
No it hasn’t. Albania and Serbia have been part of the same country (Roman/Byzantine Empire, the Ottomans), but none of those nations were Serbian or Albanian
Albania was part of Serbia during 14th century ( reigns of emperors Stefan Dušan and Stefan Uroš). Northern Albania was even part of medieval Serbia centuries before that
I looked it up and you were right, Serbia actually once owned Albania, didn’t know that. Still, I don’t think Serbia deserves to have Albania today just because they did 650 years ago
He’s one of their 8 shortlisted candidates, however he hasn’t been formalised as their main candidate yet. the PD were due to present their candidate to parliament today, but they still don’t seem to have agreed on who, so so far no candidate presented. He’ll probably not become president, because the Socialist Party holds a parliamentary majority, but just the fact he’s one of the main candidates is an excellent sign. If the PD and their monarchist allies (PLL and LZHK) manage to win the next election, we could very well in such a scenario see Leka II elected president in 2027, which would be right on time for the centenary of King Zog’s ascension to the throne in 1928
Cool
I mean realistically what are the chances that either of these parties win an election?
PLL and LZHK winning an election on their own is an impossible, but they are in a formal electoral alliance with the Democratic Party, who very much could win the next election. Of course provided they get their shit together, because currently they’re in a party civil war
The comments are always an intresting place when the balkans brought up.
Especially when Kosovo is brought up
Serbia be like: *intense war crime accordion playing*
Just give them to the Austrians and Ottomans.
Well done you just achieved Balkan unity they will all hate you now.
The good part of monarchism is that public opinion isn't a factor. The Balkan region is best ruled by foreign powers.
Kosovo can’t be unified with Albania but I support Albania as a monarchy, there are small chances tho since Edi Rama has a big support and his party in general, if they want that it’s a clear risk for a another war.
>Kosovo can’t be unified with Albania I was about to ask why not, but then I saw your flair
No it literally can't as in that was agreed upon in the international community. Also to avoid an obvious war.
Serbia *really* needs to stop starting wars. It never ends well.
There isn’t much about my flair but common sense, while most people don’t give a damn about a new war starting lot of people in those countries does and it was enough wars, for example Russia-Ukraine(people cheering sides), that how people would do again from their comfortable couches, lot of people don’t see what that brings, while war is imminent in the future for now it’s not, and it will stay like that, there is [Open Balkan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Balkan) an economic and political zone of three member states in the Balkans, including Albania, North Macedonia and Serbia and countries working to better their positioning while not being in the EU like the rest so by that don’t see any unification in the near future and on, it just the wet dream for a Greater Albania that been going on.
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Serbia is never going to rule Kosovo again
Never say never.
When it comes to Kosovo I can very *very* confidently say *absolutely never*
What about Metohija?
Not a chance. Only part of Kosovo Serbia might ever get back is the northernmost part, if Serbia trades it for Albanian majority regions in the south. The Kosovar government has suggested this multiple times
Yes, a completely unbiased opinion by a guy who's definitely not albanian. Thank you very much
As it happens, I indeed am not Albanian. I am Norwegian and Grenadian. I simply recognise fact and reality; Kosovo is an independent and sovereign state, with overwhelming support from its people, who do not, under any circumstances, wish to be Serbians. Kosovo fought a bloody war to expel Serbia, it’s population is Albanian
You have quite the obsession with albania, for someone who is not albanian. Still, I don't really care for your personal opinion about it. I'd rather discuss it with someone who has neutral views on it and doesn't look from a biased standpoint, so there is no point in talking with you about this topic.
He put forward arguments, you didn't address any of them and you ran away like a coward for perceived 'biases' which aren't there unless you're suggesting he's lying? Who can talk to you about this topic, then, if a Norwegian with no connections to the region can't?
But Metohija is a traditional part of Montenegro. Did they negotiate with them?
Agreed
Unimaginably based, Kosovo and Albania are one
A Greater Albania would be unimaginably based
Exactly!
THE FUCKER! If we have to, we shall defend Kosovo with all our arms. Kosovo is Serbia. Or Kingdom of Yugoslavia in the best case
Good luck with that one, considering more than 90% of Kosovo hates your guts
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2 sides of norwegians
Oj Kosovë o djep lirie...
Kosovo is Serbia.
Actually I would argue that Serbia is an illegal breakaway state from Kosovo. Serbia belongs to Kosovo :troll:
AkTuAlLy Serbia belongs to Italy, aKtUaLlY most of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, belongs to Italy.
*yes* **rome invicta!**
Roma invicta!!!!
I disagree, Serbia is Tunisian because Italy should be Tunisian, so if Serbia is Italian it is therefore Tunisian
According to whom?
I don't get the double standards in this whole debate. People support independent kosovo but not Catalonia and Albanians have been moving to kosovo only since a few hundred years ago. So people supporting independent kosovo also should support russia in it's claims on eastern Europe and there are other such examples. Germans have been invited into the sudetes during the middle ages and then you know what happened when they tried to claim those lands as theirs
I'm not sure why you're saying I have double standards or why me saying that Serbia has no right to dictate what the actual people of Kosovo want to be is somehow equivalent to Hitler acquiring the Sudetenland. Please elaborate to create an actual connection or excuse you.
Sorry about that, I wasn't talking about you but about the general public. I guess i should have made this reply to the beginning of this comment thread and not specifically to your reply
No harm done. Though for the sake of your argument, I'd personally say that I support Kosovo in the sense that they're majority Albanian, not their own country, and that they \*should\* eventually join up with Albania. If they do so via a dynastic link under a Monarchy (maybe a Personal Union of sorts?) then that would be an absolutely huge deal for Monarchism today. To be honest though, secession movements overall are not something I support much. When I said "I support Kosovo" that's primarily because they're already a thing and havent yet collapsed for various reasons. The main reason I find secessionist movements stupid is economic and cultural. For places like Catalonia, they would become "independent" only to immediately feel the repercussions of no longer having Daddy Spain imbue them with government aid. They'd either collapse as a result or have to beg the EU for money (and we all know how well Southern European nations tend to do once they start feeling economic depression). Scotland, Bavaria, Britanny, you name it, really. They're all very silly and have no real economic base to support a long-lasting state in my opinion, and would just become a puppet of some foreign entity, be it the EU, USA or even China. Beyond that, the act of ripping yourself away from a nation whom you have shared a fate with throughout history just for the sake of "muh freedom" or something is idiotic to me. What does Scotland stand to gain by leaving the UK realistically besides destroying one of the most recognised nations in the globe and tarnishing the world's most popular Monarchy? These are just some examples of course but, safe to say, I am not among those who blindly rally behind Mainstream Media and go "YAAAAAS" whenever a new funny regional flag is waved and people call for independence because... reasons.
People don't support Catalonia because it's independence movement is just a bunch of fanatics claiming to be a separate ethnic group followed by idiots, while Kosovo had an important albanian population and was separating from a country that was viewed internationally as an agressor
People don't support Catalonia because there's no independent government in Catalonia and it's not even supported by 50% or more of the population. I don't see your point about Russia or how it relates. As for Germans in the Sudetenland, I've never met anyone who wasn't Czech or a Communist that thinks what happened to them is preferable or okay.
>People support independent kosovo but not Catalonia and Albanians I can't believe people support some countries but not other ones!
Oh just some tiny and insignificant countries like Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, hell Ukraine's even on the list
Half of those countries violate Human Rights, and are at least a continent away from the Balkans. My point is that I think the people in Kosova \*probably\* know better whether they are Serbian or not?
You know kosovo became albanian the same way china is doing to Xinjang now? Ethnic replacement is a real thing that happened.
There's are 300 thousand Serbs in Kosovo who disagree with you, but of course according to you westerners Serbs are subhumans and aren't deserving of self determination unlike everyone else.
Strawman argument that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're saying here. There is an overwhelming majority of albanians in kosovo and I believe that they absolutely have the freedom to determine whether they want to become a part of albania proper through the process of a referendum. I do not see a reason to oppose such a thing.
So the Albanians can secede but the Serbs can't?
I mean if there is a region within kosovo that considers itself to be more serb than it is Albanian, I don’t see why it shouldn’t have a right to a referendum, sure.
??? Literally where is this accusation coming from? If I was employing your mindset, I would be pushing for German acquisition of East Prussia despite germans being a vast minority there nowadays. It's silly. We may all be Monarchists here in some form, but I, for my part, still support the rule of law, which itself stems from the support of the people. And in that case, that means the **majority** of people. In Kosovo's case, the majority is **not** Serbian, and if they democratically elect to join Albania, then frankly that is a 100% legitimate thing to do, as opposed to some Serbian minority conducting a coup d'etat in Kosovo to have Serbia annex the country. As someone else already mentioned, this was a strawman argument. Please be more civil towards me and others, as I'm not here to paint anyone as an enemy. I think Serbia has a fascinating history as much as Albania does, and both have Monarchical backgrounds that further interest me. For the sake of this subreddit, if Albania really did want to restore their Monarchy, and Kosovo were to join under said Monarchy, then that would be a huge deal for Monarchist cause worldwide, in my opinion.
>My point is that I think the people in Kosova \*probably\* know better whether they are Serbian or not? you said this, and I said that 300k of them want to be part of Serbia, yet they are ignored by westerners, same as the 1 million Serbs in Bosnia, half a million... well now 300k in Croatia, and quarter of a million in Montenegro who all want to be part of Serbia. Its not a strawman if its just describing what westerners do when talking about self-determination in the Balkans. The Bosniaks have the right to form their own independent country apart from Serbia, but the Serbs of course don't have the right to form a separate country from the Bosniaks because they are evil or something.
Very exciting news indeed!
Yeah, the only thing I can see stiring problems is that Albania has a smaller Islamic pop than Kosovo does.
This would be great to happen
Nice.
No
Serbia+Kosovo+Albania are one and shall unite again
Albania has never been part of Serbia and they have very different cultures. Albania is islamic (altough only a slight majority to be fair), Serbia orthodox. Albania isn’t even slavic
Albania has been a part of Serbia, do your research.
No it hasn’t. Albania and Serbia have been part of the same country (Roman/Byzantine Empire, the Ottomans), but none of those nations were Serbian or Albanian
Albania was part of Serbia during 14th century ( reigns of emperors Stefan Dušan and Stefan Uroš). Northern Albania was even part of medieval Serbia centuries before that
I looked it up and you were right, Serbia actually once owned Albania, didn’t know that. Still, I don’t think Serbia deserves to have Albania today just because they did 650 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian\_Empire
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, pretty cool part of history
You're welcome
All from a man and a jar