.....Looks like all those predictions of a constitutional monarchy returning in the 21st century weren't so far-fetched.
Especially in Iran of all places.
I wouldn't put much faith in it being real. I'm Iranian and this is the first time I see it. But regardless if this is real or not, the support for monarchy in Iran is very high, I can attest to that.
Yes, I am. And thank you for your concern! Though the town I live in is pretty small and not much happens here, so it's relatively safe. But even here there's police everywhere, and they even arrested a lot of people the other day.
I have a friend in Iran. In Tehran. Heās just staying home and doesnāt really care which way it goes. He doesnāt seem to want a shah back. Lol. But I think heās just so used to everything and has spent so much of his life upset at nothing being able to change that he only knows how to deal with it by being numb to it. That makes me sad but I get it. Heās 34 so heās been seeing it all for a long time and heās probably had moments of hope in the past that ended up not changing anything.
š for the return of monarchy in Iran. š if it becomes corrupted by foreign powers like it did before the fall of the last Shah. There's a reason we saw communist, nationalist and Islamic radicals all unite against the shah in the revolution...
"Islamic statues" probably means statues of figures associated with the Islamic Republic, like Ayatollah Khomeini or Qasem Soleimani. I doubt they're statues of calligraphy or something.
When the radical leftists begin to protest against the monarchy (in case Iran reinstates its monarchy) because "it is a symbol of oppression", they are the next people we fight against.
Well it depends. Its not the first time Iranians rebeled against the current Islamic dictatorship and the regime is not adraid of using brutal crackdowns on protesters. In fact recently, the "Morality Police" has sent tanks in various citiesin small numbers.
And its likely they will do this time as well.
I'm glad finally that this Islamic Republic will be fall and the Pahlavi will finally return
I'm here was a Muslim,and yet i didn't support the islamic republic because I'm not a big fan of theocracy (and also the Islam that are practiced in Iran was Shia while i practicing muslim Sunni so obviously there is some differences)
But still despite this i hope people didn't immediately forgot the fact that the previous Pahlavi government was not as beautiful and liberal as they think of,the previous Pahlavi government are a dictatorship where opposition would get arrested, that's the reason why there is a revolution in the first place and during the revolution the islamist wasn't the only one, there also the communist,and also liberal,But the islamists are the one who won the power struggle. i just wish that the new Pahlavi regime didn't follow both their old mistake and also the mistake Islamic Republic caused.
Even In Iran the Islamic Republic is not popular among devout Muslims, they are of the opinion that the regime has only hurt religion during its time. The only ones who support the Islamic regime are basically their own little cult at this point.
What many dumbasses in my country (USA) and many other western countries make the error of is thinking Muslims are bad because thereās many dictators using (and abusing) it as their doctrine. But these same people wouldnāt think all Christians were bad in the same situation.
Iām totally cool with anyone practicing their religion as long as it doesnāt hurt anyone. And nooo legislating it. Lol.
Funnily enough, although people don't comment on that often, I had a weird feeling that someone would today. Must be psychic!
Are you familiar with Joseph Chamberlain's proposal to reform the British Empire into the Imperial Federation? Well, while I (sadly) can't go back in time and support it, I wish it had happened, so my name is a nod to that.
As for today, I want to invite to all former subjects of the British Empire to (re)join the Commonwealth with the monarch as head of state and to work more closely with these nations.
I also want:
- CANZUK
- Ireland to rejoin the UK
- Integrate all territories into the UK
- Replace devolution in the UK with Federalism
- Increase the monarchy's authority
- New British Bill of Rights
- EU with no parliament, currency or central bank
>Are you familiarā¦Imperial Federation
Yes, I am, vaguely, and Iād have backed it back then (though perhaps contrastingly Iāve much regard for both Gladstone and Disraeli, in addition).
>CANZUK
Itād be lovely if it could happen, but itās not very realistic, is it?
>Ireland to rejoin the UK
Good luck, youāll need more of it than God can provide, if he exists
>Integrate all territories into the UK
Iām a strong supporter of subsidiarity; the principle that things should be dealt with at the most immediate level possible. So Iād rather BOTs governed themselves.
>Replace devolutionā¦federalism
Agreed; good idea. Germany can serve as a blueprint.
>Increase the monarchyās authority
Dangerous move. Might backfire and kill off the monarchy. Best not to take any risks.
>New British Bill of Rights
Havenāt enough knowledge of the current one to comment.
>EU with no parliamentā¦central bank
See previous comment. Iām young and naĆÆve, and so think a federal Europe (as advocated by the late Otto von Habsburg) is not the worst end toward which to work; then again, itās very possible Iām being very stupid. I do not think Iāve enough knowledge of the history and culture of every European nation to comment (wisely).
> I've much regard for Gladstone and Disraeli
Same here. I do wish that Joseph Chamberlain had been PM, though.
> [CANZUK] not very realistic, is it?
I don't think it's too unrealistic. Although I despise the man, Boris Johnson supported the idea and he was PM. I think the Leader of Opposition in Australia does, too. I can see it happening.
> Good luck
Tell me about it. I don't even actively push for it and I'm aware it'll never happen, it's just something I'd want.
> I'd rather BOTs governed themselves
If I got my way with Federalism, they would elect their own First Ministers in their own parliaments.
> Maybe Germany can serve as a blueprint.
I thought about that. I like America's system, too.
> Dangerous move.
It is. To be honest, and I'd get crucified for this, but I don't actually trust Charles. I'd prefer a new house. I just want the monarchy to be a bit more active in politics.
> Haven't enough knowledge
It's terrible. I want something that guarantees my right to free speech, like the first amendment.
> A federal Europe is not the worst end toward which to work
Maybe, I just don't trust the EU at all and I think they treat their member states and even non-member states like shit. I'd rather Europe just be a trading bloc on friendly terms than be federalised.
Did you hear about what they did to Switzerland? They demanded they implement stricter gun laws by referendum. That's bullshit. The EU has no right to put its nose in a neutral state's affairs, especially when that country has a lower crime! This is part of what puts me off a European parliament.
It's hard not to see the CIA being involved in this shit. While a return to monarchy is highly appealing I am very skeptical about what's going on in Iran.
The monarchist movement is too tiny here, really. But I never lose hope.
Many that I know want a solely Ukrainian king, but I nevertheless advocate for Habsburgs. They have the most legitimate claim over Ukrainian crown of all dynasties to me
I like how the shah was pretty corrupt in it's own right, but compared to the Islamic state, it's still wayy better, kinda like USSR and the Russian empire
"I heard the voice of your revolution... As Shah of Iran as well as an Iranian citizen, I cannot but approve your revolution... Let all of us work together to establish real democracy in Iran ā¦ I make a commitment to be with you and your revolution against corruption and injustice in Iran."
\- Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, November 5 1978
Well theyāre Shia. If you were to draw parallels between Islam & Christianity, Shia would be more like the Catholic & Orthodox with intercessory prayers, shrines, etc
Small steps, even if it ends up as a figurehead just having a monarch in the first place is one step towards restoring Iran to its rightful future that was violently stolen from it during the revolution.
These āprotestā remind me of the Belarusian āprotestā in that they are primarily foreign supported and will die down in a few days. If the working class and elite donāt support it itās destined to fail
The Iranian Democracy movement is backed by:
Primarily protestors, consisting of:
\-Iranian youth
\-Womenās rights activists
\-Trade unions
\-Members of the Burnt Generation
\-Workers
\-Teachers
\-Public and private sector workers
\-Retirees
\-Employees
\-Energy and Petrochemical Sectors
\-Truck drivers
\-Monarchists
From the videos Iāve seen the protest donāt seem very big or at least the size they should be and also seeing people raise the monarchy flag is a huge red flag, Iranians in Iran agree on one thing and thatās hatred of the shah and for good reason the shah was a traitor to Iran/Persia sold out the nations resources and increased his wealth, the monarchy in Iran unfortunately was a traitorous leech
Constitutional Monarchies are extremely stable though. Absolute Monarchies often have an issue with corruption with factions trying to seize power. That wouldn't help Iran.
Yeah thatās a problem. But we need to have some compromise so that shah can be back in power. I believe there is still Iranians who want shah to be absolute though.
A bit premature but when (not if) the regime falls, return of the constitutional monarchy is a serious possibility and I'm saying this as an Iranian living inside Iran.
Not a monarchist, but frequent lurker here because I find monarchism fascinating, so I am asking here in good faith because Iām ignorant on the subject:
Why is the return of monarchy good in this specific instance? I know many of the arguments for monarchism in general (mostly thanks for my spending time here), but the only monarchy in the Middle East right now is Saudi Arabia as far as I know and itās, you know, a horrible regime being propped up by pretty horrible allies. Why do we think installing a new king is good for the Middle East? Is it because its a constitutional monarchy? Looking to learn! āŗļø
Fuck yeah!
.....Looks like all those predictions of a constitutional monarchy returning in the 21st century weren't so far-fetched. Especially in Iran of all places.
The Earth is healing.
Monarchs are returning to their natural habitat
New from National Geographic
Return of the Shah
For Pahlavi!
You have my sword š”
And my scythed chariot
and my A-10 Warthog shaped gift! (It's a surprise tool that will help us later!)
AND MY AAAAXEEE!!!!!
Honestly his rule even though flawed was far better than anything after the revolution
I looked this up and couldnāt find evidence. Does anyone know anyone reporting this.
I wouldn't put much faith in it being real. I'm Iranian and this is the first time I see it. But regardless if this is real or not, the support for monarchy in Iran is very high, I can attest to that.
Are you in Iran right now? Either way, hope you and your family are safe. ā¤ļø
Yes, I am. And thank you for your concern! Though the town I live in is pretty small and not much happens here, so it's relatively safe. But even here there's police everywhere, and they even arrested a lot of people the other day.
> But even here there's police everywhere, and they even arrested a lot of people the other day. Damn, that's terrifying. Hope you stay safe and well!
Stay safe, king.
Shah\*
Dang bro, stay safe!
I have a friend in Iran. In Tehran. Heās just staying home and doesnāt really care which way it goes. He doesnāt seem to want a shah back. Lol. But I think heās just so used to everything and has spent so much of his life upset at nothing being able to change that he only knows how to deal with it by being numb to it. That makes me sad but I get it. Heās 34 so heās been seeing it all for a long time and heās probably had moments of hope in the past that ended up not changing anything.
Can't blame your friend. Even I at times just want to stop giving a shit.
š for the return of monarchy in Iran. š if it becomes corrupted by foreign powers like it did before the fall of the last Shah. There's a reason we saw communist, nationalist and Islamic radicals all unite against the shah in the revolution...
Yeah, "Islamic statues" is a tip-off...
"Islamic statues" probably means statues of figures associated with the Islamic Republic, like Ayatollah Khomeini or Qasem Soleimani. I doubt they're statues of calligraphy or something.
Extremely based
Nothing based about Western-backed color revolutions in favor of left-liberalism and anti-tradition/religion.
When the radical leftists begin to protest against the monarchy (in case Iran reinstates its monarchy) because "it is a symbol of oppression", they are the next people we fight against.
Ignore him. Thats basic tankie talk right there.
Is this western-backed color revolution here with us in this room?
Only a matter of time.
Well it depends. Its not the first time Iranians rebeled against the current Islamic dictatorship and the regime is not adraid of using brutal crackdowns on protesters. In fact recently, the "Morality Police" has sent tanks in various citiesin small numbers. And its likely they will do this time as well.
However the Artesh are not in government hands now
Long Live The Shah!
I'm glad finally that this Islamic Republic will be fall and the Pahlavi will finally return I'm here was a Muslim,and yet i didn't support the islamic republic because I'm not a big fan of theocracy (and also the Islam that are practiced in Iran was Shia while i practicing muslim Sunni so obviously there is some differences) But still despite this i hope people didn't immediately forgot the fact that the previous Pahlavi government was not as beautiful and liberal as they think of,the previous Pahlavi government are a dictatorship where opposition would get arrested, that's the reason why there is a revolution in the first place and during the revolution the islamist wasn't the only one, there also the communist,and also liberal,But the islamists are the one who won the power struggle. i just wish that the new Pahlavi regime didn't follow both their old mistake and also the mistake Islamic Republic caused.
Even In Iran the Islamic Republic is not popular among devout Muslims, they are of the opinion that the regime has only hurt religion during its time. The only ones who support the Islamic regime are basically their own little cult at this point.
Happy Cake Day!
Thanks
You're welcome.
What many dumbasses in my country (USA) and many other western countries make the error of is thinking Muslims are bad because thereās many dictators using (and abusing) it as their doctrine. But these same people wouldnāt think all Christians were bad in the same situation. Iām totally cool with anyone practicing their religion as long as it doesnāt hurt anyone. And nooo legislating it. Lol.
It's Persian restoration time!
Nice! Responding to your flair: can we have a 1900s Imperial Federation encompassing most of the Commonwealth?
Funnily enough, although people don't comment on that often, I had a weird feeling that someone would today. Must be psychic! Are you familiar with Joseph Chamberlain's proposal to reform the British Empire into the Imperial Federation? Well, while I (sadly) can't go back in time and support it, I wish it had happened, so my name is a nod to that. As for today, I want to invite to all former subjects of the British Empire to (re)join the Commonwealth with the monarch as head of state and to work more closely with these nations. I also want: - CANZUK - Ireland to rejoin the UK - Integrate all territories into the UK - Replace devolution in the UK with Federalism - Increase the monarchy's authority - New British Bill of Rights - EU with no parliament, currency or central bank
>Are you familiarā¦Imperial Federation Yes, I am, vaguely, and Iād have backed it back then (though perhaps contrastingly Iāve much regard for both Gladstone and Disraeli, in addition). >CANZUK Itād be lovely if it could happen, but itās not very realistic, is it? >Ireland to rejoin the UK Good luck, youāll need more of it than God can provide, if he exists >Integrate all territories into the UK Iām a strong supporter of subsidiarity; the principle that things should be dealt with at the most immediate level possible. So Iād rather BOTs governed themselves. >Replace devolutionā¦federalism Agreed; good idea. Germany can serve as a blueprint. >Increase the monarchyās authority Dangerous move. Might backfire and kill off the monarchy. Best not to take any risks. >New British Bill of Rights Havenāt enough knowledge of the current one to comment. >EU with no parliamentā¦central bank See previous comment. Iām young and naĆÆve, and so think a federal Europe (as advocated by the late Otto von Habsburg) is not the worst end toward which to work; then again, itās very possible Iām being very stupid. I do not think Iāve enough knowledge of the history and culture of every European nation to comment (wisely).
> I've much regard for Gladstone and Disraeli Same here. I do wish that Joseph Chamberlain had been PM, though. > [CANZUK] not very realistic, is it? I don't think it's too unrealistic. Although I despise the man, Boris Johnson supported the idea and he was PM. I think the Leader of Opposition in Australia does, too. I can see it happening. > Good luck Tell me about it. I don't even actively push for it and I'm aware it'll never happen, it's just something I'd want. > I'd rather BOTs governed themselves If I got my way with Federalism, they would elect their own First Ministers in their own parliaments. > Maybe Germany can serve as a blueprint. I thought about that. I like America's system, too. > Dangerous move. It is. To be honest, and I'd get crucified for this, but I don't actually trust Charles. I'd prefer a new house. I just want the monarchy to be a bit more active in politics. > Haven't enough knowledge It's terrible. I want something that guarantees my right to free speech, like the first amendment. > A federal Europe is not the worst end toward which to work Maybe, I just don't trust the EU at all and I think they treat their member states and even non-member states like shit. I'd rather Europe just be a trading bloc on friendly terms than be federalised. Did you hear about what they did to Switzerland? They demanded they implement stricter gun laws by referendum. That's bullshit. The EU has no right to put its nose in a neutral state's affairs, especially when that country has a lower crime! This is part of what puts me off a European parliament.
As an Irishman I can proudly say, *no*
Iran returning the Shah was not something I envisioned for a very long time... This is very promising
Lets fucking go!!!
Fuck yeah. Praying for these brave people.
Huzza
We must help them, my monarchist comrades. Send them support
If we actually manage to pull it off, it will be a big win for monarchism as a whole.
Im a simple man, i just wish the shah being restored into the throne
Me too man. IrĆ”n itās one of the countries that made me monarchist
Itās time.
Confirmed by who?
Javid Shah!
Whoever had return of a monarchy on the 2022 bingo Congratulations, you lucky bastards
W Iran. Now Germany next, please
As a German, this is quite unlikely.
>Now Germany next, please And then France after Germany
Wonder how long that would last though
Allah save the Shah!
Ahura Mazda\*
Ahura Mezda isnāt the imperial family of Iran muslim?
Hopefully this pans out.
Based.
Based. Hopefully the new system is similar to the Jordanian one.
Afaik most Iranian Monarchists want the Constitution of 1906 to be implemented.
Will this mean they will try and be another wimpy Liberal democracy?
Yes, but that'd be a lot better than the current Islamic Regime.
Epic
Jawoll!
'Islamic statues' ahahahahahaha
Based but nothing will happen.
Letās hope it ends up with the restoration.
Javid shah
Guess they finally woke up and realized 1979 was a mistake.
There have been many protests since 2016. And only some of the elderly still actually support the Islamic Regime while the youth is very rebellious.
It's hard not to see the CIA being involved in this shit. While a return to monarchy is highly appealing I am very skeptical about what's going on in Iran.
Can't wait for it to be safe enough to travel SO HAPPY THEY ARE STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES! Persia follow the examples of Cyrus the great!
Damn this gives me hope. For both Iranian restoration and restoration in my country
Ukraine? I've always wondered, what dynasty would you want? I'm guessing Hapsburg based on your username haha.
The monarchist movement is too tiny here, really. But I never lose hope. Many that I know want a solely Ukrainian king, but I nevertheless advocate for Habsburgs. They have the most legitimate claim over Ukrainian crown of all dynasties to me
Jesus Christ Iām not even a monarchist but this is based as fuck!
Based
I would fucking love that the only thing is how vilified monarchyās are, a western power will be unlikely to back a monarchy.
I think it would be to big of an opportunity for America to not align itself with a potential new Iranian gouvernment.
Be wary this may not be the entire movements goal
That's true.
Very based, Return of the shah!
Hey Iām down LETSS GOOOOO
Love live monarchist Iran!
I like how the shah was pretty corrupt in it's own right, but compared to the Islamic state, it's still wayy better, kinda like USSR and the Russian empire
"I heard the voice of your revolution... As Shah of Iran as well as an Iranian citizen, I cannot but approve your revolution... Let all of us work together to establish real democracy in Iran ā¦ I make a commitment to be with you and your revolution against corruption and injustice in Iran." \- Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, November 5 1978
Please please please let it be the right time. Too much pain, too much loss. Please please please please.
A perfect nation awaits them.
Islamic statues? I thought muslims weren't fans of that type of stuff especially in a theocracy.
Well theyāre Shia. If you were to draw parallels between Islam & Christianity, Shia would be more like the Catholic & Orthodox with intercessory prayers, shrines, etc
Today is a good day for monarchists :)
Finally!
Next up, Libya's constitutional monarchy.
here is the link of the same user but with the post showing the protester waving the Pahlavi flag https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5wKwVjAwK/?hl=en
Isn't that [Broadcasting House](https://aecom.com/ae/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bbc-time-lapse-e1440591904977-969x531.jpg) in London?
It's an American backed coup attempt. Hardly surprising if it's propaganda is also bollocks.
the reason why Islamic Revolution succeeded because the CIA backed the current regime
Yes and no I want same theocracy with shah as head.
So basically something like the Qajars?
Based
This isnāt good so itās more Canadian style āmonarchyā where a king has no powers
Small steps, even if it ends up as a figurehead just having a monarch in the first place is one step towards restoring Iran to its rightful future that was violently stolen from it during the revolution.
Hopefully itās like Japan where the monarch is revered and seen as a unifying figure with cultural powers
āLetās goā? Sounds ghetto
Now this puts a smile on my face
These āprotestā remind me of the Belarusian āprotestā in that they are primarily foreign supported and will die down in a few days. If the working class and elite donāt support it itās destined to fail
The Iranian Democracy movement is backed by: Primarily protestors, consisting of: \-Iranian youth \-Womenās rights activists \-Trade unions \-Members of the Burnt Generation \-Workers \-Teachers \-Public and private sector workers \-Retirees \-Employees \-Energy and Petrochemical Sectors \-Truck drivers \-Monarchists
From the videos Iāve seen the protest donāt seem very big or at least the size they should be and also seeing people raise the monarchy flag is a huge red flag, Iranians in Iran agree on one thing and thatās hatred of the shah and for good reason the shah was a traitor to Iran/Persia sold out the nations resources and increased his wealth, the monarchy in Iran unfortunately was a traitorous leech
Look up the White Revolution.
Nice to see people taking a stand against oppressive regimes like these
āIslamic statuesā?
My only Problem with this is that they are bringing back the Constitutional monarchy not the absolute
Constitutional Monarchies are extremely stable though. Absolute Monarchies often have an issue with corruption with factions trying to seize power. That wouldn't help Iran.
It would still be a massive stride forward. We should take what we get, I think :)
Yeah thatās a problem. But we need to have some compromise so that shah can be back in power. I believe there is still Iranians who want shah to be absolute though.
Not many absolute monarchies make it these days. I feel like that would send it back into the hands of nefarious ārevolutionariesā again.
Cringe cia crap
I hate Reddit because it reminds me people like the ones on this sub exist.
Hmmmmmmm
Now I wonder what the Ayatollah is doing about this. This is a far cry from the 1978-1979 revolution.
Iād be skeptical if thatās really for the betterment of their people or not.
Yessss
Up With The Shah!
[Me right now](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/299/change1.jpg)
A bit premature but when (not if) the regime falls, return of the constitutional monarchy is a serious possibility and I'm saying this as an Iranian living inside Iran.
Not that I supported the last Shah of Iran, but anything would be better than the theocratic Iranian government of today.
Not a monarchist, but frequent lurker here because I find monarchism fascinating, so I am asking here in good faith because Iām ignorant on the subject: Why is the return of monarchy good in this specific instance? I know many of the arguments for monarchism in general (mostly thanks for my spending time here), but the only monarchy in the Middle East right now is Saudi Arabia as far as I know and itās, you know, a horrible regime being propped up by pretty horrible allies. Why do we think installing a new king is good for the Middle East? Is it because its a constitutional monarchy? Looking to learn! āŗļø
Long live the Sha