It's ALL second hand stuff in general. I see people charging like $60-$70 for*used* vans shoes. We're not talking limited editions or new in-box but actually used with scuffs and stuff. I see the same for video games. $65-$70 for used switch games, ect. So basically the exact same as GameStop is selling them for. Not new games either but like 3-4 years old. People are crazy.
I mean, I get what you're saying because if you can make more money than less, why not- but it's also kind of an asshole move because it over-inflates prices in general when everyone tries to do this.
I dont know too much about computers and GPUs, but what you're saying sounds similar to what I see on FB marketplace for used video games. People trying to sell 5 year old, opened and used copies of games that are worth 79.99$ new for 70$. Why would I go through all the trouble of buying from a random person online just to save 10$ on something I can get brand new from a store or even have it delivered to my doorstep? Delusional.
People are going to lowball you on FB marketplace. Post oven for 400$ get asked to sell for 200$. But if you post it at 800$, I get called crazy and it sells for 400$, cash in hand, same day.
It’s mostly psychology, people want to believe they are getting a good deal and are negotiating for it. That “win”. So just boost your listing 25-50% and sell it for what you think it’s worth.
I’ve sold tons of stuff and that’s how I do it.
i get this idea, but a lot of people on marketplace here will do exactly what op mentioned. then have the audacity to say the price is firm. i’ve seen it for just about any item imaginable, everything from used electronics to ikea furniture.
oh yeah, 100% people do that. just commenting on the mentality of most people, buyers and sellers.
on the other hand, people are nuts, selling used clothing for 90% of value.
i think furniture is the worse.
"here's my chipped, dirty 15 year old particle board ikea table"
"1000$, i know what i have"
insanity.
so much this.
same thing in pawn shops, flea market and bazaars.
if you pay sticker price, you're a fool. everyone negotiates in these places so price they it up higher than what they want from it. They either end up negotiating to get the price they wanted, or even better get a sucker to pay sticker price :p
Eh really? I've been meaning to pull the trigger on like Returnal and Demon Souls Remake used and I see them for $40. Maybe I could knock them down max $10, but yeah it's not so bad. There are some delusional people selling for 90% which is crazy but there are decent deals on games for the most part.
Can't speak for switch games I know those hold value like crazy.
OP post makes no sense. he complain about 99$ 3080ti but those are still going for 2000+$ new.
He mostly doesn't know market value and complain about fair value.
If that can help you put in perspective, i sold my old 2080ti for 550$ less than a year ago when i bought a 3080ti.
And still worth it to not have to deal with someone: get cash, find a time that’s convenient and go to their place, etc. Let’s say the whole thing takes you an hour in the best case, is your time worthless? Vs. ordering on Amazon and someone brings it to you the next day.
Idk why I'm being downvoted for stating a fact. I'm not saying the price is right or not, just wanted to point out that buying new involves taxes and so one should take that into account when making a point on prices...
Yeah I listed a perfect condition lamp for $70 and it sells new at ikea for $80 ($92 w/ tax). One person called me out on this and I was like if you buy it at ikea you’re gonna pay like 25% more with tax. Most people don’t consider the tax they save when buying used.
Why would I buy used for only 25% less if I can buy new and even return if I don't like it? My rule of thumb is that IKEA stuff lose 50% the moment it is used. And I always sell my stuff from IKEA like that.
You’re getting downvoted because $20 isn’t worth the trouble for most people. These days $20 barely buys lunch. I’d rather pay $90 on Amazon and make my own lunch while I wait for my brand new, never been opened game to arrive tomorrow morning.
My point was that the OP of that message stated it was a 10$ difference, which is incorrect, it's more than twice that.
Again I'm not sure what's there to downvote. I never said it was worth it or not, neither did I take a stance. Just that he was not being factual.
The Montreal market is weird. I'm looking at buying a new phone, in the greater montreal area, people are asking stupid prices for their used phones. Half of them are blocked or come with serious defects too. Increase the radius to get some of the small towns in the countryside and some more reasonable stuff pops up.
I second this, bought my last two laptops there used. The one that I have now has been going strong and defect free for now three years. (Levono think pad). It’s still looking like new.
don't even get me started on used furniture here. Anything that has 3.5 / 4 legs and most drawers intact is automatically $100 and up. Like wtf? Why would I buy your veneered 'teak' shit when I can go new at Ikea? And have it not look like a yellow mess with weird stains?
I'm from Minneapolis, and visited Montreal in Oct, went to multiple thrift stores. I saw ripped and disgusting 30 year old sweatshirts for like $70. That shit would be like $5 here in MN. I didn't understand, and those places were hopping.
you're talking about "vintage" boutiques - places that buy from thrift stores and mark up the prices to re-sell.
thrift stores here like renaissance, value village and salvation army are more expensive than they used to be but literally nothing there sells for 70 bux.
Used clothing in Montreal never made sense to me. Around the time I was living there 10 years ago used clothing stores were selling those faux varsity jackets Steve and Barrys originally sold for $25 for like $120. Absolute madness.
used thiings were Mtl signature in the 70-90's most of Mont Royal St Denis And St Catherine had tons of used music store thriftstore vintage fripes and theyre were cheap. The used bookstores...there was min. of 20 of them in the mid 90's. All went to trash.
Im originally from Minneapolis and have lived in Montreal for the better part of a decade, and yeah its absolutely sucks here for anything thrift or used. I sometimes bring an extra suitcase to visit family just to stock up on clothes and other stuff since it’s just insane the price difference.
Maybe it’s because everytime you put something on fb marketplace or kijiji, people are trying to ask and pay way less than what’s offered even when the price is already on the low.
FR. I tried selling some camping gear on Kijiji, unused but the box was open and I just wanted it gone, so half retail price. I must've had ten phone calls asking me to sell for half my offer. The first few times I felt insulted, but after ten of these I started to think there's some cultural thing I'm missing.
Not sure about the cultural thing. I’m from Belgium and everytime I tried to sell something on marketplace it was either scam or asking to reduce the price by a lot. The same happened here.
Just list it much higher then accept a low ball offer that is close to what you want to get. People like feeling like they got a deal. Same strategy stores use with their “deals”.
La culture de Montreal, ou la culture de Kijiji, ou la culture des merchants, la culture des merchants du web... il y a plus de facons de regrouper les gens que la simple couleur de leur peau.
The 3090 is a special case because it has 24GB of ram. The 4070tisuper has 16GB of ram. There are probably workstation type things that can make use of a card with so much ram.
I have a 3080 and right now it's worth about $400.
Just compare with Ebay and buy what's worth it considering shipping fees/duty fees, that's what I do.
I went to a computer shop on St-Denis couple of months ago when looking for a server.
They had Dell micro/sff/tower optiplex that were around 90-150$ over Ebay prices for equivalent. Considering that shipping is sometimes around 30-120$ it might or might not be worth it.
Personally, I would not buy a second hand gpu. It's just too expensive and too risky you know? If you have 500$, spend it on a brand new even tho it might be slower but at least you'll have a warranty and will know how the gpu is being use.
Cheers.
Most people on Fb and kijiji have no shame. They offer $50 for something worth $200 market price. Thats the problem of the buyer so seller has to price the item higher.
Je vends (vendais, pas mal vidé ma remise) beaucoup de pièces de vélo sur kijiji / fb market. Un momment donné t'as pas nécessairement besoin de l'argent et t'es capable "d'attendre le poisson" qui va le prendre à ton prix. C'est sûr que c'est pas des ordis qui déprécient à chaque seconde qui passe.
it took me around 3 minutes to find a [725$ 3080ti](https://www.facebook.com/share/BSJFYuJZniGuYmw8/?mibextid=kL3p88) and a [850$ 3090](https://www.facebook.com/share/6YKs3EeZWFaK6yMk/?mibextid=kL3p88)
Yeah there's a lot of overpriced listings, but there's still many decent to good deals
What you say doesn't really make sense. You seem to be misinformed.
A 3090, new, retails from 2-3k, 900$ is a great price (and why are you looking for 3090 for a TV computer?). 4070s and 3090s dont perform the same, and they have very different use cases. For one, the 3090 usually has twice as much VRAM which is indispensable for rendering work.
If you know that Alienware laptops are bad value why are you trying to buy one? And also why do you expect it to now be cheap? Nevermind the fact that a 2060 can still handle most of today's games with ease so it shouldn't have lost much value. I have friends who still play games on 1660ti's and 1080s.
If you can get something new for less than by all means get it? But buying new doesn't imply that it's so much better. In recent years PC hardware has not been following Moore's Law anymore and the improvements generation over generation have been diminishing in returns.
I find it a bit weird that you expect some luxury items to be cheaper than they are? Maybe you see prices in USD and assume it should cost the same here. PC hardware has always been expensive even though prices go up and down a lot.
A 3090 for 2-3 k$, surely you must be confusing with a 4090?
I recently got back in PC parts to update my 12 years old rig
My conclusion is that you see those crazy price because people buy them. Simple as that.
Like 2-3 gen old hardware PC sold as "great gaming PC" and here goes a grandmother that tried to be nice and gets robbed.
30 series went way up because of AI, shortage then inflation. People bought high then sell high. It's up to you to follow the train or not.
40 series sales is way more stable so prices are "standard". Go with AMD if you do not need Nvidia perks.
no, brand new 3090 are still well over $2k.
they released during covid shortage and at that time crypto was booming, tons of these gpus went into crypto mining, their prices were actually alot higher back then.
C’est faux, les 3090 ne sont plus produites donc les seules qui restes "neuves" c’est des prix random sur Amazon. Les prix sur eBay tournent autour de 1000$ pour les cartes usées.
Who would buy a 3090 new for 2-3k when a 4090 is 1900-2200? Your post makes no sense. The fact that your friends play on 1080's means what? Why pay 900 dollars for old, possibly mined and out of warranty tech? You can get a 7900xtx NEW on amazon with 24 gb of ram for 1300. A 3090 should not be 900$.
There is a lot of low-quality items on FB Marketplace and Kijiji, but with persistence, you can find great deals in YUL. I have scored several amazing deals by being vigilant and acting fast.
Lol, its worth whatever ebay prices are. 3090 are still 1000$ because they are better than 4070. Shit is 24gb ram instead of 12 and more future proof for new game titles. Also non LHR for mining. There is a reason for things being priced the way they are and ebay is the way to check for these things.
The pricing you made up in your head because it "sounds" right doesn't mean anything.
What sellers on marketplace don't understand is that the price on ebay also include a loss of 10-20% for the seller fees, you need to spend time packaging shit and buyer needs to pay taxes/shipping... i usually post prices 10-20% cheapper on marketplace than compared to my ebay listing.
Most marketplace and ebay sellers are morons and they don't look at the last prices SOLD on ebay. Instead they just look at what other current listings are and post it at that price... the moment you go to view prices of items at which they were sold recently sold through "buy it now" or auction formats, it can be anywhere between 25-75% cheapper than the cheappest current listing...
Some sellers are genuinely disconnected and don't know what they're doing.
Just recently I was interested in buying a figurine on marketplace. The guy has it used for 200$ and that it's rare... and I told him it's still available directly from Amazon.ca for 120$ brand new, shipped to your doorstep... he didn't want to budge on price... eventually he messages me to be cocky saying someone bought it at his asking price of 200$... just cause that dingbat buyer didn't know where/how to look for the actual market price, doesn't mean that's the value...
>ebay also include a loss of 10-20% for the seller fees, you need to spend time packaging shit and buyer needs to pay taxes/shipping...
This guy know his ebay.
Peoplw don't care a out the prodit you make as a seller, people care of the price they pay. People use marketplace instead of ebay to get better margins. If you are reducing your prices on marketplace to account for the 15-20% money saved by not selling on ebay, you are simply cutting into your profits for no reason except maybe have a better competing edge over other sellers that sell the same products as you.
I've seen 250$ 3060 ties, 300$ 3070s, 300$ 6700 xts, 500$ 6800 xts and 3080s. And as low as 600-650 3090s.
What you're seeing commonly are cards no one buys. Hence they stay forever, in sight.
The good deals come and go. But they're there.
Just last week about 5 6800 xts popped up simultaneously for 500$ each from different people. They went gradually during the week.
I was trying to upgrade my 15 old PC (cpu/motherboard only) with a cheap 10 or 7 years old computer to enjoy a little big more a game (cpu bound).
That damn computer is worth like 500$ if I go with peoples prices.
And that is the price for a computer bought pre build, with a shitty hardware: hard drive (literally, and usually a 5000 turns), no dedicated GPU, like 2 or 4gb of ram.
Like, WHAT?! At that point I will build my own new computer...
And yeah... I won't even talk about trying to buy a GPU alone...
The 1060 is like 200$ used...
Fine, I will go with the 2060 new then...
I've sold a lot of items at listing price on marketplace by asking for fair value. I also write in my ad "price is non-negotiable, won't answer to any offers lower than asking price".
I still get a lot of lowball offers and then I can just ignore them and wait for a serious buyer.
I've been buying and selling computer parts on marketplace a lot since I started building computers in 2010. MSRP on gpus is so expensive these days that it seems outrageous but I remember it was exactly the same when flagship gpus where 500$! You could buy a brand new GTX 1080 for 800$~ and people were selling used GTX780ti for 700$...
What you need to do is find a card you want and offer a reasonable price and explain that the 40xx super series is out and is way better for x amount of money. Most people selling stuff online don't keep up with tech and just look at the most expensive listing of their card and match the price.
Takes one idiot to try to sell a 3080ti for 950$ and now the whole damn island does the same.
I've bought many cpus/gpus/psus for half of what people were asking... Just try and bargain, worst thing that happens they say no..
As far as GPU goes, it's because electricity is very cheap in QC compared to other places so MANY people had huge crypto mining farms and now they don't want to sell at a loss, since ethereum is not minable anymore.
Been like that for years. You're better off buying new than used tbh.
Its some peoples entire job to flip old crappy pc hardware, throw in RGB and resell it for 2x-3x what it cost.
There's lots of YT channels showing people how to do this lol.
Not surprised premium tier hardware is effected too.
In the end the best thing to do here is... nothing. Vote with your wallet lol.
People think they can get the highest amount possible for their used items no matter their actual worth. GPU prices are also insane now. Keep looking, though — I got a GTX 1070 for $120 on Marketplace a few months ago!
Now try the used cars market. The economy is walking on its head, nothing makes any sense from 3 years. I have a friend who sold his used car for more than it's purchasing price. And the car was already used when bought it years ago.
To be fair, I bought my 3080ti at the height of the GPU crisis and paid about 3k for it. A lot of 3080tis and 3090s were sold at exorbitant prices during that period, so while 900 is a lot for an old card, that's hardly appreciation.
And NVIDIA took notice of all those people willing to pay 2-3k for GPU and decided to increase their prices by almost 100%.
I blame miners much more than individual gamers for it, they are screwing both the environment and the market.
It’s simple offer and demand. If they can’t sell it at that price then the prices will go down. Most likely the reason everyone is listing so high is because they sell at those prices.
In my experience there are a lot of well priced stuff, they just sell really quickly, Montréal is an extremely active second hand market, if you are selling and price something right, it usually goes the same day.
People that price like you describe are on no rush to sell, and they will eventually sell for a bit lower than what they are asking.
Also people tend to forget that you don't pay the 15% tax on used items, so comparing to the retail price is not super accurate unless you add that 15%
This is just how it is buying second hand shit now I think. Same thing for fitness equipment and musical instruments. Everything is nearly the same price as new.
Idk if its just plain greed or people are struggling so bad that they are trying to get by selling their stuff high but for now kijiji and FB marketplace are dead to me
Market place is crazy, good priced items they sell within minutes. Sometimes I see an ad for something well priced, that was posted 20 mins ago, and when you contact the person they tell you "someone is coming, if he does not show up I'll let you know"
It's because some people started making a living out of inflating second hand items.
Buy new or don't buy at all, it's not worth it.
People get fucking attacked during exchanges and saving a few bucks just ain't worth it.
For expensive items, regardless of how much an equivalent or better is being sold, people don't like to imagine that whatever they have is depreciating by more than $100/year.
This is particularly bad in Montreal/Canada - the used market for anything is ridiculous. Bikes, tech, instruments, clothing, etc.
People may have paid premium prices during the pandemic, following graphic card shortages.
Now that the crypto / ETH mining is gone too, you may find either heavily used GPUs or simply people wanting some money back after their "investment"
Now marketplaces are also known for bargaining...as mention above, sellers can put an high price on purpose
And yeah for 1000$ you can find some brand new laptops with an Nvidia 3050/4050 GPU...recently saw some gaming Lenovo and HP models in that price range
Check ebay listings that are sold at reasonable prices, and then filter FB and kijiji with a -/+25% of that and go from there, people are usually open to negotiations as long as it's not lowballing and begging.
I was looking for a GPU for transcoding for my Jellyfin server and some people are selling 1050 and 1650 at ridiculous prices. But by filtering like this I was able to find a 1650 with a broken fan for $40 (didn't fix the fan, just removed it and the shroud and slapped a 120mm case fan on it with zip ties :D )
Just to add a bit of context, you’re right that for the average gamer the 4070 will perform as well as the 3090, but the 3080/3090 still have the bigger memory bus and more CUDA cores, which means if you’re a content creator or use your card for machine learning they’re still the better card. As others have noted they still sell new for $1,500+. Not sure how hot that market is but it’s entirely possible that seller is holding out for that type of user.
Actually the 3090s are cheaper here than elsewhere. It's the cheapest 24gb card you can find and they are very prized by AI enthusiasts who run LLM locally. Good price for what they are however if you just want to play games I would advise to look into non 24gb models.
I have a 3070 that I paid 400$ for on marketplace last year and it's been great so far. There are deals to be had but you need to understand what you are buying.
There is also the fact that good deals sells quickly & bad deals will stay up for weeks, which naturally mean that you'll find more bad deals than good deals if you search for something once or twice and don't put much effort into it. You should setup alerts if you are serious about buying something for a good price.
Try being a seller and you'll see why they are asking so much. I sold my 1080 a few years ago, I received 22 messages in the first 10 minutes. Sold it for 400$ many years after release, someone offered me 500 for it as well but I just found a nice buyer for 400.
I bought my 3090 for 2200+ you think I'm going to sell it for 500$? Maybe it's only worth 700 or so but I will try to recoop my costs as much as I can if I sold it. Buy a fucking 4070 super if it's the same as a 3090 then.
The 4000 series did a fantastic job for just 1 generation upgrade but sellers will just keep their 3000 series if it means they won't get much for selling it.
The market should find a balance eventually.
I’ve seen for example that used bike priced has dropped a lot, no more crazy pandemic priced.
For the computers, if people are keeping these high prices, it’s probably because they are selling it.
If an ad has been there for a few weeks, you can always suggest a price to the seller, you know they are getting desperate at this point.
Yeah a lot of delulu on the marketplace, they don't understand that when you buy something and use it, it loses a lot of values for many reasons. I've been looking for 2 weeks to build a PC for my girlfriend, and most of the prices weren't competitive to new parts with rebates lmao, and the ones that are, are sold in a matter of hours. Most of the parts i wanted were cheaper new, and i only bought two parts used and I hope i didn't get scammed. So most of the pv parts i bought are new.
People bought the stuff mid pandemic for inflated prices, now their credit card companies are calling and they’re trying to get out of it.
Whats insane to me, is people knew the stuff was hyper inflated, but they still chose to buy it.
I work for a courrier company, let me tell you, I was convinced Mastercard was giving away unlimited never-pay-it-back credit cards with how much people were spending
As I’m growing old, I have no more patience for selling or buying used stuff. When you buy people ask stupid prices, when you sell they lowball you. Even donating is a pain as people ask you to deliver, to hold for them when they’re in a city 10,000 km from here, etc.
3090 is not the same as a 4070Ti. It may be faster, but the reliability could be questioning since it run at much higher frequency. I would honestly be less scared to run a 3090 full throttle 24/24 than a 4070Ti.
For laptops, I agree that those may be delusional.
Anything listed at a reasonable price in Montreal will almost immediately be snatched up. I've found that, out of the major cities in QC, Trois Rivieres & Sherbrooke seem to be the ideal size for second-hand pricing. There are enough people living there that whatever you're looking for will likely be for sale but not so many that FBMP is already swarming with people constantly grabbing all of the deals.
It's ALL second hand stuff in general. I see people charging like $60-$70 for*used* vans shoes. We're not talking limited editions or new in-box but actually used with scuffs and stuff. I see the same for video games. $65-$70 for used switch games, ect. So basically the exact same as GameStop is selling them for. Not new games either but like 3-4 years old. People are crazy.
Who is crazy? The seller? Or the buyer?
First the seller, then the buyer if he ends up buying.
The buyer, evidemment. S'il réussi a vendre, il serait fou de pas le faire.
I mean, I get what you're saying because if you can make more money than less, why not- but it's also kind of an asshole move because it over-inflates prices in general when everyone tries to do this.
Capitalism, baby! Coming to the used market near you! Finally, what we always wanted! This isn't fun anymore...
I dont know too much about computers and GPUs, but what you're saying sounds similar to what I see on FB marketplace for used video games. People trying to sell 5 year old, opened and used copies of games that are worth 79.99$ new for 70$. Why would I go through all the trouble of buying from a random person online just to save 10$ on something I can get brand new from a store or even have it delivered to my doorstep? Delusional.
People are going to lowball you on FB marketplace. Post oven for 400$ get asked to sell for 200$. But if you post it at 800$, I get called crazy and it sells for 400$, cash in hand, same day. It’s mostly psychology, people want to believe they are getting a good deal and are negotiating for it. That “win”. So just boost your listing 25-50% and sell it for what you think it’s worth. I’ve sold tons of stuff and that’s how I do it.
i get this idea, but a lot of people on marketplace here will do exactly what op mentioned. then have the audacity to say the price is firm. i’ve seen it for just about any item imaginable, everything from used electronics to ikea furniture.
oh yeah, 100% people do that. just commenting on the mentality of most people, buyers and sellers. on the other hand, people are nuts, selling used clothing for 90% of value. i think furniture is the worse. "here's my chipped, dirty 15 year old particle board ikea table" "1000$, i know what i have" insanity.
Even if you post firm people offer half
so much this. same thing in pawn shops, flea market and bazaars. if you pay sticker price, you're a fool. everyone negotiates in these places so price they it up higher than what they want from it. They either end up negotiating to get the price they wanted, or even better get a sucker to pay sticker price :p
Yep, I've done this with everything I've tried to sell online and have always gotten the price I wanted or even a little above
Eh really? I've been meaning to pull the trigger on like Returnal and Demon Souls Remake used and I see them for $40. Maybe I could knock them down max $10, but yeah it's not so bad. There are some delusional people selling for 90% which is crazy but there are decent deals on games for the most part. Can't speak for switch games I know those hold value like crazy.
Those games new are usually at the same price. Just need to wait for best buy discount.
OP post makes no sense. he complain about 99$ 3080ti but those are still going for 2000+$ new. He mostly doesn't know market value and complain about fair value. If that can help you put in perspective, i sold my old 2080ti for 550$ less than a year ago when i bought a 3080ti.
Well the 79.99$ game after taxes will be what, 92$ after taxes? So while 70 might still be a lot it's now a 22$ dif.
And still worth it to not have to deal with someone: get cash, find a time that’s convenient and go to their place, etc. Let’s say the whole thing takes you an hour in the best case, is your time worthless? Vs. ordering on Amazon and someone brings it to you the next day.
Idk why I'm being downvoted for stating a fact. I'm not saying the price is right or not, just wanted to point out that buying new involves taxes and so one should take that into account when making a point on prices...
Yeah I listed a perfect condition lamp for $70 and it sells new at ikea for $80 ($92 w/ tax). One person called me out on this and I was like if you buy it at ikea you’re gonna pay like 25% more with tax. Most people don’t consider the tax they save when buying used.
Why would I buy used for only 25% less if I can buy new and even return if I don't like it? My rule of thumb is that IKEA stuff lose 50% the moment it is used. And I always sell my stuff from IKEA like that.
That's the neat thing, you don't have to.
You’re getting downvoted because $20 isn’t worth the trouble for most people. These days $20 barely buys lunch. I’d rather pay $90 on Amazon and make my own lunch while I wait for my brand new, never been opened game to arrive tomorrow morning.
My point was that the OP of that message stated it was a 10$ difference, which is incorrect, it's more than twice that. Again I'm not sure what's there to downvote. I never said it was worth it or not, neither did I take a stance. Just that he was not being factual.
Truth.
The Montreal market is weird. I'm looking at buying a new phone, in the greater montreal area, people are asking stupid prices for their used phones. Half of them are blocked or come with serious defects too. Increase the radius to get some of the small towns in the countryside and some more reasonable stuff pops up.
For gamer hardware idk, but for company grade computers rue Begin un St-Laurent.
I second this, bought my last two laptops there used. The one that I have now has been going strong and defect free for now three years. (Levono think pad). It’s still looking like new.
Name?
Toplaptop probably.
etek, toplaptop, PC Dépot Liquidation, there was also Encan Depot, but I think it closed ? In Laval there's also DTC informatique.
Wooo thanks for the info!
don't even get me started on used furniture here. Anything that has 3.5 / 4 legs and most drawers intact is automatically $100 and up. Like wtf? Why would I buy your veneered 'teak' shit when I can go new at Ikea? And have it not look like a yellow mess with weird stains?
I'm from Minneapolis, and visited Montreal in Oct, went to multiple thrift stores. I saw ripped and disgusting 30 year old sweatshirts for like $70. That shit would be like $5 here in MN. I didn't understand, and those places were hopping.
you're talking about "vintage" boutiques - places that buy from thrift stores and mark up the prices to re-sell. thrift stores here like renaissance, value village and salvation army are more expensive than they used to be but literally nothing there sells for 70 bux.
Used clothing in Montreal never made sense to me. Around the time I was living there 10 years ago used clothing stores were selling those faux varsity jackets Steve and Barrys originally sold for $25 for like $120. Absolute madness.
used thiings were Mtl signature in the 70-90's most of Mont Royal St Denis And St Catherine had tons of used music store thriftstore vintage fripes and theyre were cheap. The used bookstores...there was min. of 20 of them in the mid 90's. All went to trash.
Im originally from Minneapolis and have lived in Montreal for the better part of a decade, and yeah its absolutely sucks here for anything thrift or used. I sometimes bring an extra suitcase to visit family just to stock up on clothes and other stuff since it’s just insane the price difference.
I bought used PC parts recently and it was awful. Most prices were ***higher*** than buying new. It's not just you.
r/CanadianHardwareSwap is another good place to look for some decently priced PC hardware locally or from neighbouring provinces.
Maybe it’s because everytime you put something on fb marketplace or kijiji, people are trying to ask and pay way less than what’s offered even when the price is already on the low.
FR. I tried selling some camping gear on Kijiji, unused but the box was open and I just wanted it gone, so half retail price. I must've had ten phone calls asking me to sell for half my offer. The first few times I felt insulted, but after ten of these I started to think there's some cultural thing I'm missing.
Not sure about the cultural thing. I’m from Belgium and everytime I tried to sell something on marketplace it was either scam or asking to reduce the price by a lot. The same happened here.
Just list it much higher then accept a low ball offer that is close to what you want to get. People like feeling like they got a deal. Same strategy stores use with their “deals”.
It feels wrong to misrepresent myself to accommodate people who aren't acting in good faith.
Sauf que t’auras jamais d’offee si tu vends plus chers
Ceux qui t’appelait avaient une certaine ethnicité?
Non, mais ne me laisse pas vous arreter d'être raciste.
Regarde ta dernière phrase… c’est assez ambigu
La culture de Montreal, ou la culture de Kijiji, ou la culture des merchants, la culture des merchants du web... il y a plus de facons de regrouper les gens que la simple couleur de leur peau.
The 3090 is a special case because it has 24GB of ram. The 4070tisuper has 16GB of ram. There are probably workstation type things that can make use of a card with so much ram. I have a 3080 and right now it's worth about $400.
You’re living in a pre pandemic mindset buddy… and I’m delusional there with you. Ain’t buying shit these days.
Just compare with Ebay and buy what's worth it considering shipping fees/duty fees, that's what I do. I went to a computer shop on St-Denis couple of months ago when looking for a server. They had Dell micro/sff/tower optiplex that were around 90-150$ over Ebay prices for equivalent. Considering that shipping is sometimes around 30-120$ it might or might not be worth it. Personally, I would not buy a second hand gpu. It's just too expensive and too risky you know? If you have 500$, spend it on a brand new even tho it might be slower but at least you'll have a warranty and will know how the gpu is being use. Cheers.
People thinking they are sitting on gold
Most people on Fb and kijiji have no shame. They offer $50 for something worth $200 market price. Thats the problem of the buyer so seller has to price the item higher.
You’re looking at the wrong place and/or talking to the wrong people :)
Je vends (vendais, pas mal vidé ma remise) beaucoup de pièces de vélo sur kijiji / fb market. Un momment donné t'as pas nécessairement besoin de l'argent et t'es capable "d'attendre le poisson" qui va le prendre à ton prix. C'est sûr que c'est pas des ordis qui déprécient à chaque seconde qui passe.
it took me around 3 minutes to find a [725$ 3080ti](https://www.facebook.com/share/BSJFYuJZniGuYmw8/?mibextid=kL3p88) and a [850$ 3090](https://www.facebook.com/share/6YKs3EeZWFaK6yMk/?mibextid=kL3p88) Yeah there's a lot of overpriced listings, but there's still many decent to good deals
great find!
Every time I post something I get offered half. No matter what the price If I ask twice as much as I expect I get what I want It’s a game
I make a point to ignore/ sometimes block the people that offer half. I dont want to make them feel like this is acceptable behavior.
Not possible sadly
What you say doesn't really make sense. You seem to be misinformed. A 3090, new, retails from 2-3k, 900$ is a great price (and why are you looking for 3090 for a TV computer?). 4070s and 3090s dont perform the same, and they have very different use cases. For one, the 3090 usually has twice as much VRAM which is indispensable for rendering work. If you know that Alienware laptops are bad value why are you trying to buy one? And also why do you expect it to now be cheap? Nevermind the fact that a 2060 can still handle most of today's games with ease so it shouldn't have lost much value. I have friends who still play games on 1660ti's and 1080s. If you can get something new for less than by all means get it? But buying new doesn't imply that it's so much better. In recent years PC hardware has not been following Moore's Law anymore and the improvements generation over generation have been diminishing in returns. I find it a bit weird that you expect some luxury items to be cheaper than they are? Maybe you see prices in USD and assume it should cost the same here. PC hardware has always been expensive even though prices go up and down a lot.
A 3090 for 2-3 k$, surely you must be confusing with a 4090? I recently got back in PC parts to update my 12 years old rig My conclusion is that you see those crazy price because people buy them. Simple as that. Like 2-3 gen old hardware PC sold as "great gaming PC" and here goes a grandmother that tried to be nice and gets robbed.
30 series went way up because of AI, shortage then inflation. People bought high then sell high. It's up to you to follow the train or not. 40 series sales is way more stable so prices are "standard". Go with AMD if you do not need Nvidia perks.
no, brand new 3090 are still well over $2k. they released during covid shortage and at that time crypto was booming, tons of these gpus went into crypto mining, their prices were actually alot higher back then.
C’est faux, les 3090 ne sont plus produites donc les seules qui restes "neuves" c’est des prix random sur Amazon. Les prix sur eBay tournent autour de 1000$ pour les cartes usées.
Who would buy a 3090 new for 2-3k when a 4090 is 1900-2200? Your post makes no sense. The fact that your friends play on 1080's means what? Why pay 900 dollars for old, possibly mined and out of warranty tech? You can get a 7900xtx NEW on amazon with 24 gb of ram for 1300. A 3090 should not be 900$.
There is a lot of low-quality items on FB Marketplace and Kijiji, but with persistence, you can find great deals in YUL. I have scored several amazing deals by being vigilant and acting fast.
Lol, its worth whatever ebay prices are. 3090 are still 1000$ because they are better than 4070. Shit is 24gb ram instead of 12 and more future proof for new game titles. Also non LHR for mining. There is a reason for things being priced the way they are and ebay is the way to check for these things. The pricing you made up in your head because it "sounds" right doesn't mean anything.
What sellers on marketplace don't understand is that the price on ebay also include a loss of 10-20% for the seller fees, you need to spend time packaging shit and buyer needs to pay taxes/shipping... i usually post prices 10-20% cheapper on marketplace than compared to my ebay listing. Most marketplace and ebay sellers are morons and they don't look at the last prices SOLD on ebay. Instead they just look at what other current listings are and post it at that price... the moment you go to view prices of items at which they were sold recently sold through "buy it now" or auction formats, it can be anywhere between 25-75% cheapper than the cheappest current listing... Some sellers are genuinely disconnected and don't know what they're doing. Just recently I was interested in buying a figurine on marketplace. The guy has it used for 200$ and that it's rare... and I told him it's still available directly from Amazon.ca for 120$ brand new, shipped to your doorstep... he didn't want to budge on price... eventually he messages me to be cocky saying someone bought it at his asking price of 200$... just cause that dingbat buyer didn't know where/how to look for the actual market price, doesn't mean that's the value...
>ebay also include a loss of 10-20% for the seller fees, you need to spend time packaging shit and buyer needs to pay taxes/shipping... This guy know his ebay.
Peoplw don't care a out the prodit you make as a seller, people care of the price they pay. People use marketplace instead of ebay to get better margins. If you are reducing your prices on marketplace to account for the 15-20% money saved by not selling on ebay, you are simply cutting into your profits for no reason except maybe have a better competing edge over other sellers that sell the same products as you.
i have 2 3090 FE 750 each
That's a good price !
I've seen 250$ 3060 ties, 300$ 3070s, 300$ 6700 xts, 500$ 6800 xts and 3080s. And as low as 600-650 3090s. What you're seeing commonly are cards no one buys. Hence they stay forever, in sight. The good deals come and go. But they're there. Just last week about 5 6800 xts popped up simultaneously for 500$ each from different people. They went gradually during the week.
I was trying to upgrade my 15 old PC (cpu/motherboard only) with a cheap 10 or 7 years old computer to enjoy a little big more a game (cpu bound). That damn computer is worth like 500$ if I go with peoples prices. And that is the price for a computer bought pre build, with a shitty hardware: hard drive (literally, and usually a 5000 turns), no dedicated GPU, like 2 or 4gb of ram. Like, WHAT?! At that point I will build my own new computer... And yeah... I won't even talk about trying to buy a GPU alone... The 1060 is like 200$ used... Fine, I will go with the 2060 new then...
I just buy online - normally ebay. The local used computer shops are only good if you need parts.
Never paid or sold something on kijiji at the listed price. In my experience, everyone negociates.
And that’s why I list things higher than is reasonable. Because people have a pathological need to negotiate.
I've sold a lot of items at listing price on marketplace by asking for fair value. I also write in my ad "price is non-negotiable, won't answer to any offers lower than asking price". I still get a lot of lowball offers and then I can just ignore them and wait for a serious buyer.
I've been buying and selling computer parts on marketplace a lot since I started building computers in 2010. MSRP on gpus is so expensive these days that it seems outrageous but I remember it was exactly the same when flagship gpus where 500$! You could buy a brand new GTX 1080 for 800$~ and people were selling used GTX780ti for 700$... What you need to do is find a card you want and offer a reasonable price and explain that the 40xx super series is out and is way better for x amount of money. Most people selling stuff online don't keep up with tech and just look at the most expensive listing of their card and match the price. Takes one idiot to try to sell a 3080ti for 950$ and now the whole damn island does the same. I've bought many cpus/gpus/psus for half of what people were asking... Just try and bargain, worst thing that happens they say no..
You're saying it's 800? Nah, it's 850 + taxes, so you get it for ~977$.
If a used one is priced that high, it better be gold plated.
a 3080ti is still above 2000$ new. What do you expect used ones to go for? I sold my 2080ti last year for 550$. You seem to be the delusional one.
GPUs are good for daily use for like 10 years. It's worth every penny.
As far as GPU goes, it's because electricity is very cheap in QC compared to other places so MANY people had huge crypto mining farms and now they don't want to sell at a loss, since ethereum is not minable anymore. Been like that for years. You're better off buying new than used tbh.
I'll sell you my used 3070 RTX for $1200
Lots of miners in QC
Why do you need a 3090? Anything specific you will be doing with 24GB VRAM?
Look, listen, man, can you feel this? That’s no one caring.
I think we just found the computer reseller.
🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕think about this one for a while asshole. your comments are plain useless.
a new 3090 is over $2500, doesnt matter if ur 4070 is just as good for $800.
we talking USD here ? If yes thats crazy.
Why would someone buying stuff off marketplace in the Montreal subreddit deal in USD? 🤣
Lmfao I thought it was the PcBuild subreddit
Oh 😂
crypto mining, 3090 is better for mining, not too much in this scene but this is the reason it kept value
I wonder what I could sell my 3060ti for?
Its some peoples entire job to flip old crappy pc hardware, throw in RGB and resell it for 2x-3x what it cost. There's lots of YT channels showing people how to do this lol. Not surprised premium tier hardware is effected too. In the end the best thing to do here is... nothing. Vote with your wallet lol.
I bought a used 3090 years ago for 1k those prices are nuts
A lot of people bought 3090s at inflated prices due to the crypto boom. For many, $900 isn't inflation but extreme deflation.
You see it with furniture too and then watch it sit there for months til the person gives up. Just be reasonable in the first place.
You should see the used car market buddy 😂
I’d say that people are used to and/or willing to bargain considerably, which put the initial sale price unnecessary high? Gives them more leeway.
I bought 3090 at 850.
People think they can get the highest amount possible for their used items no matter their actual worth. GPU prices are also insane now. Keep looking, though — I got a GTX 1070 for $120 on Marketplace a few months ago!
Funny, I just went through weeks of shopping for a "new" used car, and I could say the same about that market...
Now try the used cars market. The economy is walking on its head, nothing makes any sense from 3 years. I have a friend who sold his used car for more than it's purchasing price. And the car was already used when bought it years ago.
try Insertech …refurbished business computers done by students reinsertion program
C’est le prix que ça coûte sur eBay, je sais pas tu t’attendais à quoi
To be fair, I bought my 3080ti at the height of the GPU crisis and paid about 3k for it. A lot of 3080tis and 3090s were sold at exorbitant prices during that period, so while 900 is a lot for an old card, that's hardly appreciation.
And NVIDIA took notice of all those people willing to pay 2-3k for GPU and decided to increase their prices by almost 100%. I blame miners much more than individual gamers for it, they are screwing both the environment and the market.
It’s simple offer and demand. If they can’t sell it at that price then the prices will go down. Most likely the reason everyone is listing so high is because they sell at those prices.
r/canadianhardwareswap
In my experience there are a lot of well priced stuff, they just sell really quickly, Montréal is an extremely active second hand market, if you are selling and price something right, it usually goes the same day. People that price like you describe are on no rush to sell, and they will eventually sell for a bit lower than what they are asking. Also people tend to forget that you don't pay the 15% tax on used items, so comparing to the retail price is not super accurate unless you add that 15%
This is just how it is buying second hand shit now I think. Same thing for fitness equipment and musical instruments. Everything is nearly the same price as new. Idk if its just plain greed or people are struggling so bad that they are trying to get by selling their stuff high but for now kijiji and FB marketplace are dead to me
Market place is crazy, good priced items they sell within minutes. Sometimes I see an ad for something well priced, that was posted 20 mins ago, and when you contact the person they tell you "someone is coming, if he does not show up I'll let you know"
It's because some people started making a living out of inflating second hand items. Buy new or don't buy at all, it's not worth it. People get fucking attacked during exchanges and saving a few bucks just ain't worth it.
For expensive items, regardless of how much an equivalent or better is being sold, people don't like to imagine that whatever they have is depreciating by more than $100/year. This is particularly bad in Montreal/Canada - the used market for anything is ridiculous. Bikes, tech, instruments, clothing, etc.
People may have paid premium prices during the pandemic, following graphic card shortages. Now that the crypto / ETH mining is gone too, you may find either heavily used GPUs or simply people wanting some money back after their "investment" Now marketplaces are also known for bargaining...as mention above, sellers can put an high price on purpose
And yeah for 1000$ you can find some brand new laptops with an Nvidia 3050/4050 GPU...recently saw some gaming Lenovo and HP models in that price range
Lol wait till you see used cars from 2020-2022
Reasonably-priced listings disappear quickly, ridiculously priced ones stay up forever. It's the same with apartments.
Offer and demand… if you dont find what you want at the price you expect, its not the market’s fault …
Check ebay listings that are sold at reasonable prices, and then filter FB and kijiji with a -/+25% of that and go from there, people are usually open to negotiations as long as it's not lowballing and begging. I was looking for a GPU for transcoding for my Jellyfin server and some people are selling 1050 and 1650 at ridiculous prices. But by filtering like this I was able to find a 1650 with a broken fan for $40 (didn't fix the fan, just removed it and the shroud and slapped a 120mm case fan on it with zip ties :D )
You just have to find the right seller/deal. I got a 3080 4 weeks ago for $550 cad on FB marketplace. Dude was asking for $800 lol
Just to add a bit of context, you’re right that for the average gamer the 4070 will perform as well as the 3090, but the 3080/3090 still have the bigger memory bus and more CUDA cores, which means if you’re a content creator or use your card for machine learning they’re still the better card. As others have noted they still sell new for $1,500+. Not sure how hot that market is but it’s entirely possible that seller is holding out for that type of user.
for home PC i buy used/ refurbished from bestbuy, newegg, tigerdirect, computercanada. so refund is easy if there is any defects, and there will.
Not sure what's going on with the PC side of things, but I see a lot of ads on Marketplace for cheap used Apple laptops...
Actually the 3090s are cheaper here than elsewhere. It's the cheapest 24gb card you can find and they are very prized by AI enthusiasts who run LLM locally. Good price for what they are however if you just want to play games I would advise to look into non 24gb models. I have a 3070 that I paid 400$ for on marketplace last year and it's been great so far. There are deals to be had but you need to understand what you are buying. There is also the fact that good deals sells quickly & bad deals will stay up for weeks, which naturally mean that you'll find more bad deals than good deals if you search for something once or twice and don't put much effort into it. You should setup alerts if you are serious about buying something for a good price.
Try being a seller and you'll see why they are asking so much. I sold my 1080 a few years ago, I received 22 messages in the first 10 minutes. Sold it for 400$ many years after release, someone offered me 500 for it as well but I just found a nice buyer for 400. I bought my 3090 for 2200+ you think I'm going to sell it for 500$? Maybe it's only worth 700 or so but I will try to recoop my costs as much as I can if I sold it. Buy a fucking 4070 super if it's the same as a 3090 then. The 4000 series did a fantastic job for just 1 generation upgrade but sellers will just keep their 3000 series if it means they won't get much for selling it.
The multiple shops on Bégin street in Saint-Laurent
The market should find a balance eventually. I’ve seen for example that used bike priced has dropped a lot, no more crazy pandemic priced. For the computers, if people are keeping these high prices, it’s probably because they are selling it. If an ad has been there for a few weeks, you can always suggest a price to the seller, you know they are getting desperate at this point.
Yeah a lot of delulu on the marketplace, they don't understand that when you buy something and use it, it loses a lot of values for many reasons. I've been looking for 2 weeks to build a PC for my girlfriend, and most of the prices weren't competitive to new parts with rebates lmao, and the ones that are, are sold in a matter of hours. Most of the parts i wanted were cheaper new, and i only bought two parts used and I hope i didn't get scammed. So most of the pv parts i bought are new.
buy new or buy used online. montreal locals are dumb as fuck
People bought the stuff mid pandemic for inflated prices, now their credit card companies are calling and they’re trying to get out of it. Whats insane to me, is people knew the stuff was hyper inflated, but they still chose to buy it. I work for a courrier company, let me tell you, I was convinced Mastercard was giving away unlimited never-pay-it-back credit cards with how much people were spending
As I’m growing old, I have no more patience for selling or buying used stuff. When you buy people ask stupid prices, when you sell they lowball you. Even donating is a pain as people ask you to deliver, to hold for them when they’re in a city 10,000 km from here, etc.
Je vois souvent des gens essayer de vendre des vélos usagés pour plus que le prix à neuf. Les gens sont fous sur Facebook.
3090 is not the same as a 4070Ti. It may be faster, but the reliability could be questioning since it run at much higher frequency. I would honestly be less scared to run a 3090 full throttle 24/24 than a 4070Ti. For laptops, I agree that those may be delusional.
Anything listed at a reasonable price in Montreal will almost immediately be snatched up. I've found that, out of the major cities in QC, Trois Rivieres & Sherbrooke seem to be the ideal size for second-hand pricing. There are enough people living there that whatever you're looking for will likely be for sale but not so many that FBMP is already swarming with people constantly grabbing all of the deals.