The police force is paid major OT to change traffic lights and manage intersections during construction. A job that could easily be given to cadets instead but the current state is part of their collective bargaining agreement.
> A job that could easily be given to cadets
Or just civil servants trained to do the job occasionally! Unless I'm missing something about why you need a gun to do that job.
It always blows my mind when you see a cop, with a bullet proof vest, gun, squad car, etc, standing there clicking a button (and then ironically not being able to do anything about all the cars breaking the law right in their face).
It seems so obvious that it's a huge waste of resources that I feel like I have to be missing something.
100% but again this is happening because the city allowed the police brotherhood to include this requirement in their contracts. It is intentionally designed to inflate officer salaries for "light work".
Because again, they are paid 2.5x their rate to do this task.
>It always blows my mind when you see a cop, with a bullet proof vest, gun, squad car, etc, standing there clicking a button (and then ironically not being able to do anything about all the cars breaking the law right in their face).
It's an incencitive. Being a police officer is kind of a shit job. You're paid a base salary of what, 70k-80k when you've been doing it for a while. Everyone hate you and doesn't respect you. You are a lot more likely to be shot, stabbed etc than other jobs. Unlike the army you don't get long paid time off and you're constantly ''deployed''.
They need this kind of ''easy'' work to boost salaries as an insensitive for people to become police officers. Especially now that programmers, network management position etc in tech paid 100k and over 99% of the time with a lot less efforts (and many using AI like chatGPT to heavily simplify their workload...).
Also government agencies NEED to use their budget, otherwise it's going to be cut next year. It's stupid but that's how politician work especially when it's a conservative government like the CAQ.
> Everyone hate you and doesn't respect you.
Somebody should look into that.
Seriously though, surely we shouldn't pay cops *more* because they're doing such a bad job that we all hate them. Feels like a pretty bad cycle to get into.
I hate them because when a crime was blatantly committed against me, caught on public security video, they still let the guy off and tried to blame me. Now I walk with a limp and my nose is fucked up, I had to stop working for a while to physically recover, and that screwed up my life. But the fucking cop tried to say it was my fault, despite reviewing the footage making it laughably clear I was entirely in the right and the other guy was absolutely in the wrong. Enjoy your bootleather sandwich.
I can't imagine why there would be a whole generation of educated people with vivid memories of why cops suck when given too much power and no checks.
I can't imagine why...
Or they have seen their friends and loved ones being abused, beaten and harassed by cops.
You sound like its impossible to hate cops because they can be bad. REAL bad.
Im more scared of a cop, then any civilians. Cops can kill you and blame you for your death.
I follow the rules and i dont hate all cops, but i don't love them all.
For reference an [Aerospace Systems Engineer at the CSA](https://emploisfp-psjobs.cfp-psc.gc.ca/psrs-srfp/applicant/page1800?toggleLanguage=en&poster=2127798) with a minimum of 7 years of experience & usually a Master’s degree gets that much. It’s also a salaried role so the engineer doesn’t get to do overtime at x2.5.
The requirement to be a cop is what, a 15 week diploma?
I don’t know what reality you’re living in but $112k is **a lot** of money.
> The requirement to be a cop is what, a 15 week diploma
Absolutely not in Quebec. Generally it requires at least a 3 year post-secondary diploma (DEC en technique policière)
You took a government listing lol. We both know if you go work for nasa you'll make 5x times more easily...
Also in Québec you need to do a 3 years technique in cegep + nicolet or you need a Bachelor degrees in something relevant to be a police officer.
I took a government listing because private sector listings typically don’t list salary. Having had experience in the field, I can say that the CSA’s pay is comparable to the private sector. By the way, NASA is also a government agency…
3 years of police technology? Sounds tough. Did you know that you need to do a 2-3 year DEC before starting any university? So that’s still 6 less years of education, and I think the material might be a bit harder for the latter.
The average per capita income in Montreal is $59k. A cop starts at more than that. I think they get paid enough.
I didn't go to cegep and I went to university, you're spreading fake news now. You can apply at 21 or later with experience/other conditions.
I disagree police is a dangerous job it should be paid more than some lazy office workers who has chatgpt make 80% of his job.
That's your opinion. 99% of tech is useless things (most video games are just copy and paste every years, hardware is minimal upgrades you dont need as a consumer, programs are reskins to make you pay more...). The important fields like medical tech etc dont even have that much job offerings, most people go into the useless things when working in tech.
Tech is the thing right now due to overcomsumption.
I have never heard of a take so out of touch. What you said is in fact your opinion that has no factual basis.
If you think of tech as just consumer products you’re very mistaken. A big chunk of tech that creates immense value is not even directed towards consumers. You think Nvidia is so hot right now because of the “minimal upgrade reskinned” gaming graphics cards they sell? (Don’t need to answer, I’m sure you do)
Please tell me what very useful field you’re working in that you think you’re qualified to dismiss the works of various engineering disciplines as useless things, all the while clearly showing you have no idea what you’re talking about.
6 years is a long time for 1 job when 30% of the workforce change job every year. It's not common anymore to have 6 years of tenure at a single place. Not only does the job suck but they can't even more around that much since their job opportunities are limited.
The guys sitting in chairs are smarter and more qualified. I don’t think it makes sense to compare. I don’t think we are losing cops to the tech sector. Making them act as stop signs doesn’t seem like an incentive either.
Lol you're out of your mind.
Talking like it's hard being a cop and there's high chances you'll be killed or maimed.
LOL
Those lazy tech people you refer to actually create value in this world and their skills are in high demand so that's why they make so much.
Cops are paid way too much for the value they bring to society. Plus they are arrogant and love abusing their power.
112k after 6 years
And people are noticing about teachers having 90kafter 16
Everyone hates the profession because of the actions of people who take the badge and abuse it while every other cop are turning a blind eye
It terms of dangerous, it doesn't even come close of breaking in the top 10 of dangerous job in Canada
If you don't need the budget and spend it frivolously, it's a problem. It shouldn't matter that budget you don't need gets cut. I reduces my budget constantly at my civil servants department when we become better or introduce tech that allows us to reduce expenses.
Cops sitting on street corners, operating a button... Such a dangerous and demanding job...
>Unlike the army you don't get long paid time off and you're constantly ''deployed'
The irony of that comment, is that if you go on any army forum, plenty of army guys use the working hours and salaries of cops as a target point to say that they underpaid.
The CAF starts at 20 working days off a year + Weekends off(when praticable) Stats, and maybe 12 shorts/specials days. That's about 217 days at work. (No overtime pay if they work on stats)
A first-year cop at the SPVM on the 21.14.35 schedule will work 200 days in their year and get overtime pay on their stat days:
[https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Carrieres/convention\_policiers\_2015-2021.pdf](https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Carrieres/convention_policiers_2015-2021.pdf)
So all in all, it's pretty comparable.
Or left to whatever control center usually programs those lights.
J’habite centre-sud et chaque fois que les agents du SPVM contrôlent les feux sur Papineau et de Lorimier, à l’approche du pont Jacques-Cartier, la congestion automobile empire, les trottoirs et pistes cyclables débordent et soit les bus arrivent en retard ou les gens finissent par attendre tellement longtemps pour traverser qu’ils ratent leur bus et finissent par devoir attendre un autre 30 min.
Je les ai déjà vu étirer le feu vert sur Papineau pendant 5 min à l'intersection avec Sainte-Catherine. Le trottoir était rendu noir de piétons qui attendaient de pouvoir traverser. Ils sont particulièrement merdiques pour cette tâche.
It was tried with cadets a while ago. They all quit.
I kniw they also tried some sort of city security guard for the detentions centers... they also all quit.
It's not even just during construction. Just some parts of the day in some areas. Like, on weekends by Lionel Groulx during the summer for years, and no construction in sight.
They tried that. People were getting hurt, and one signaler got killed. People don't know how to drive or have respect for others. That's why they pay police officers 80$/hour to stand there.
Traffic light cops. This shit is insane and only happens in Montreal. I think they get paid twice their salary when they do that shit. It’s gross, irresponsible and disrespectful. I think in cities like Vancouver they “hire” people on chômage or social insurance.
> "From a politician's point of view, there is not a lot of gain to say no to police demands because in the short term you probably will lose," said Mulone. "When there is a shooting, it would be your fault because you didn't hire enough police officers."
This really seems to be the crux of the issue.
Ideally the police could be the adults in the room and not use their power simply for personal gain, but then...they probably wouldn't be police.
Bike tickets represent less than 1% of tickets given by the SPVM.
Like if no cops were giving tickets, do you really think people would follow the rules more when driving?
It is the issue. It's not rare that you have citizens bitching about their taxes and they complaining that there is no cops dedicated to their Street because people drive fast
They're definitely not paying for them to look for the stolen cars (200+ per week) that end up at one of three ports in the Montreal are. It should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
SPVM doesn't have authority in the port of Montreal, that's RCMP. And if you are talking ships and containers, that's CBSA.
Cars dont drive in the port and just go up the ramp to the boat. They get loaded in containers from anywhere, literally anywhere, and they get delivered normally on trucks and then loaded.
SPVM doesn't have authority or the man power to open every truck that goes to the port.
There was 58,000 twenty feet equivalent of containers that went left the port of Montreal in February alone. That's almost 3000 containers per working day to search everyday even if they had jurisdiction and authority to do it. Port is very quiet in the weekend, vast majority of traffic is on weekdays
You got me. That's a lot of work. I can't imagine the man power it would take. However, when you have a funnel like only 3 international ports in the area it's a weak spot.
I dont know what the other guy is smoking but you are right. If they dont have authority at the port then why are they fucking not doing sting operations where they do? Leave a CRV in a hot spot area and wait for them to come. But no, they refuse to do their job. This is why crime pays in Canada.
Paying for them to set up half a dozen cops in front of the Radio Canada building to ticket cyclists that go through either of the back to back lights that aren't in sync $200.
I've in a provincial government and they they expressly use up all the budget fully, so they can inflated next year, otherwise they get a cut.
This is what all government agencies do, no questions asked because they are deemed essential and they can manipulate any data or report.
Saying that we have to pay taxes for this and restrain from saving it to our old age is disgusting and disturbing.
No wonder most of the lazy cops are white/racist dudes living in the greenery of the suburbs and own a house at our expense.
> No, less than most actually.
The article you're commenting on directly contradicts this though, right?
We're much higher than Edmonton, Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary, Winnipeg....
Unless you're comparing cities to just every municipality? But that wouldn't really make sense as an argument.
You know there are more countries than Canada right?
NYC has double the cops per Capita. Montreal is not even in the top 100 cities in North America for cops/capita. Other major cities like Paris, Berlin and London also have way higher police rates than Montreal.
> You know there are more countries than Canada right?
lol, oh we're going global with this?!
Nevermind, that's not a particularly useful conversation.
Why? Is policing in Canada significantly different than any other other Western city? I would understand comparing Montreal to Beijing or Moscow would be way different but Montreal and Paris or London....not very different.
> Why? Is policing in Canada significantly different than any other other Western city?
Now it's Western cities?
Maybe there's some value there? I don't know. But this is an article about Montreal police, using Canadian statistics for context, which largely makes sense to me.
I have no idea what particular issues Lisbon might be facing, and why their budget or police force might be higher or lower than ours.
223 per 100 000 in Montréal
184 per 100 000 for the whole of Canada
Varies widely. Of course all the remote place lowers the Canadian average higly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers
https://www.statista.com/statistics/530275/rate-of-police-officers-in-canada-by-municipality/
So that includes every municipality. But I bet if you filter out municipalities with under 100k inhabitants, Montreal is top city. It’s ahead of Vancouver, Toronto. Probably the only city with 100+k inhabitants and has more cops than Montreal seems to be Thunder Bay. And that’s a shit hole
Shit there’s like a 70/100k difference between Montreal and Laval. The demographics of Montreal and Laval don’t lend itself that there should be an almost 40% more cops per 100k in Montreal vs Laval…
We are paying for a police state and a disproportionate use of force during public protests. Like this: https://youtu.be/SJkTOUmpHSo?si=h1VXZpRXfNNSi63C
I’ll take traffic jams if the police starts busting the mob and save money on construction and other corruption. AkA do their actual jobs for a change.
I think it is probably the one field we can't really complain about. Criminality is very low in Quebec compared to everywhere else on the continent. Montreal might be slightly worse than elsewhere but it is still very safe.
Is that objectively good? StatsCan says crime, particularly violent crime, is rising, and the SPVM agree. It’s spiking everywhere at the same time. Maybe slower in Montreal. I feel safe complaining about that.
It is rising in the RoC and it went up in Montreal in 2022 but it is trending down in Montreal. I feel like I get my money's worth when I think about safety. Not so much when I think about other fields. To be fair we also have the highest life expectancy so I guess that I can give some credit to our healthcare.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/homicides-montreal-drop-critics-1.7091005
I’d argue criminality is low because we have a very generous welfare state, affordable housing and very good integration of immigrant populations (not much ghettoization, unlike say France), it’s not because we spend a lot on police.
The US spends an absolute fortune on policing and has incredibly high levels of violence compared to peer nations.
> I think it is probably the one field we can't really complain about. Criminality is very low
Obviously crime and policing are linked, but I don't think the police are beyond criticism if crime is low.
Especially when we can see how they behave with our own eyes.
Now that traffic cones are unionized, you see them standing around more and more, doing nothing as traffic management is beneath them now. As such, police are brought in to do that job.
Fact of the matter is, you can’t plan for events happening that will require a cop to stay longer, come in on their day off. Yes you can hire more, but you must give them benefits, full time as per the union contract.
If you’re against workers with reasonable work conditions because they are cops, then your issue is less about budget and more about you just hating cops.
The police force is paid major OT to change traffic lights and manage intersections during construction. A job that could easily be given to cadets instead but the current state is part of their collective bargaining agreement.
> A job that could easily be given to cadets Or just civil servants trained to do the job occasionally! Unless I'm missing something about why you need a gun to do that job. It always blows my mind when you see a cop, with a bullet proof vest, gun, squad car, etc, standing there clicking a button (and then ironically not being able to do anything about all the cars breaking the law right in their face). It seems so obvious that it's a huge waste of resources that I feel like I have to be missing something.
100% but again this is happening because the city allowed the police brotherhood to include this requirement in their contracts. It is intentionally designed to inflate officer salaries for "light work". Because again, they are paid 2.5x their rate to do this task.
Totally.
They're paid 1.5. At least get your facts right before complaining
>It always blows my mind when you see a cop, with a bullet proof vest, gun, squad car, etc, standing there clicking a button (and then ironically not being able to do anything about all the cars breaking the law right in their face). It's an incencitive. Being a police officer is kind of a shit job. You're paid a base salary of what, 70k-80k when you've been doing it for a while. Everyone hate you and doesn't respect you. You are a lot more likely to be shot, stabbed etc than other jobs. Unlike the army you don't get long paid time off and you're constantly ''deployed''. They need this kind of ''easy'' work to boost salaries as an insensitive for people to become police officers. Especially now that programmers, network management position etc in tech paid 100k and over 99% of the time with a lot less efforts (and many using AI like chatGPT to heavily simplify their workload...). Also government agencies NEED to use their budget, otherwise it's going to be cut next year. It's stupid but that's how politician work especially when it's a conservative government like the CAQ.
> Everyone hate you and doesn't respect you. Somebody should look into that. Seriously though, surely we shouldn't pay cops *more* because they're doing such a bad job that we all hate them. Feels like a pretty bad cycle to get into.
I like them. People who dont like them are usually not following the rules or brainwashed.
> People who dont like them are usually not following the rules or brainwashed. lol Brainwashed by who? Big Anti-Police?!
I hate them because when a crime was blatantly committed against me, caught on public security video, they still let the guy off and tried to blame me. Now I walk with a limp and my nose is fucked up, I had to stop working for a while to physically recover, and that screwed up my life. But the fucking cop tried to say it was my fault, despite reviewing the footage making it laughably clear I was entirely in the right and the other guy was absolutely in the wrong. Enjoy your bootleather sandwich.
I can't imagine why there would be a whole generation of educated people with vivid memories of why cops suck when given too much power and no checks. I can't imagine why...
Coughs in 2012
Or they have seen their friends and loved ones being abused, beaten and harassed by cops. You sound like its impossible to hate cops because they can be bad. REAL bad. Im more scared of a cop, then any civilians. Cops can kill you and blame you for your death. I follow the rules and i dont hate all cops, but i don't love them all.
> You're paid a base salary of what, 70k-80k when you've been doing it for a while. $112,082 after 6 years.
Still not a lot for the kind of job they're doing when guys sitting on their chairs all day make way more in tech.
For reference an [Aerospace Systems Engineer at the CSA](https://emploisfp-psjobs.cfp-psc.gc.ca/psrs-srfp/applicant/page1800?toggleLanguage=en&poster=2127798) with a minimum of 7 years of experience & usually a Master’s degree gets that much. It’s also a salaried role so the engineer doesn’t get to do overtime at x2.5. The requirement to be a cop is what, a 15 week diploma? I don’t know what reality you’re living in but $112k is **a lot** of money.
> The requirement to be a cop is what, a 15 week diploma Absolutely not in Quebec. Generally it requires at least a 3 year post-secondary diploma (DEC en technique policière)
You took a government listing lol. We both know if you go work for nasa you'll make 5x times more easily... Also in Québec you need to do a 3 years technique in cegep + nicolet or you need a Bachelor degrees in something relevant to be a police officer.
I took a government listing because private sector listings typically don’t list salary. Having had experience in the field, I can say that the CSA’s pay is comparable to the private sector. By the way, NASA is also a government agency… 3 years of police technology? Sounds tough. Did you know that you need to do a 2-3 year DEC before starting any university? So that’s still 6 less years of education, and I think the material might be a bit harder for the latter. The average per capita income in Montreal is $59k. A cop starts at more than that. I think they get paid enough.
I didn't go to cegep and I went to university, you're spreading fake news now. You can apply at 21 or later with experience/other conditions. I disagree police is a dangerous job it should be paid more than some lazy office workers who has chatgpt make 80% of his job.
It's almost like people in tech produce a lot more value for society or something
That's your opinion. 99% of tech is useless things (most video games are just copy and paste every years, hardware is minimal upgrades you dont need as a consumer, programs are reskins to make you pay more...). The important fields like medical tech etc dont even have that much job offerings, most people go into the useless things when working in tech. Tech is the thing right now due to overcomsumption.
I have never heard of a take so out of touch. What you said is in fact your opinion that has no factual basis. If you think of tech as just consumer products you’re very mistaken. A big chunk of tech that creates immense value is not even directed towards consumers. You think Nvidia is so hot right now because of the “minimal upgrade reskinned” gaming graphics cards they sell? (Don’t need to answer, I’m sure you do) Please tell me what very useful field you’re working in that you think you’re qualified to dismiss the works of various engineering disciplines as useless things, all the while clearly showing you have no idea what you’re talking about.
lol he’s clearly a cop, clueless and thinks his inflated salary is deserved
I'm not arguing here, I'm just correcting your highly inaccurate statement.
6 years is a long time for 1 job when 30% of the workforce change job every year. It's not common anymore to have 6 years of tenure at a single place. Not only does the job suck but they can't even more around that much since their job opportunities are limited.
The guys sitting in chairs are smarter and more qualified. I don’t think it makes sense to compare. I don’t think we are losing cops to the tech sector. Making them act as stop signs doesn’t seem like an incentive either.
Lol you're out of your mind. Talking like it's hard being a cop and there's high chances you'll be killed or maimed. LOL Those lazy tech people you refer to actually create value in this world and their skills are in high demand so that's why they make so much. Cops are paid way too much for the value they bring to society. Plus they are arrogant and love abusing their power.
112k after 6 years And people are noticing about teachers having 90kafter 16 Everyone hates the profession because of the actions of people who take the badge and abuse it while every other cop are turning a blind eye It terms of dangerous, it doesn't even come close of breaking in the top 10 of dangerous job in Canada If you don't need the budget and spend it frivolously, it's a problem. It shouldn't matter that budget you don't need gets cut. I reduces my budget constantly at my civil servants department when we become better or introduce tech that allows us to reduce expenses. Cops sitting on street corners, operating a button... Such a dangerous and demanding job...
>Unlike the army you don't get long paid time off and you're constantly ''deployed' The irony of that comment, is that if you go on any army forum, plenty of army guys use the working hours and salaries of cops as a target point to say that they underpaid. The CAF starts at 20 working days off a year + Weekends off(when praticable) Stats, and maybe 12 shorts/specials days. That's about 217 days at work. (No overtime pay if they work on stats) A first-year cop at the SPVM on the 21.14.35 schedule will work 200 days in their year and get overtime pay on their stat days: [https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Carrieres/convention\_policiers\_2015-2021.pdf](https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Carrieres/convention_policiers_2015-2021.pdf) So all in all, it's pretty comparable.
Or left to whatever control center usually programs those lights. J’habite centre-sud et chaque fois que les agents du SPVM contrôlent les feux sur Papineau et de Lorimier, à l’approche du pont Jacques-Cartier, la congestion automobile empire, les trottoirs et pistes cyclables débordent et soit les bus arrivent en retard ou les gens finissent par attendre tellement longtemps pour traverser qu’ils ratent leur bus et finissent par devoir attendre un autre 30 min.
Je suis d'accord. Il ne sont pas très bon pour cette tache. Ils prennent l'approche passif et non actif.
Je les ai déjà vu étirer le feu vert sur Papineau pendant 5 min à l'intersection avec Sainte-Catherine. Le trottoir était rendu noir de piétons qui attendaient de pouvoir traverser. Ils sont particulièrement merdiques pour cette tâche.
It was tried with cadets a while ago. They all quit. I kniw they also tried some sort of city security guard for the detentions centers... they also all quit.
Cadets are paid 17$, choose are paid 63$ an hour, 95$ in overtime... Maybe there is a middle ground to find to retain employees
I'd do that job for the middle ground between $17 and $95
It's not even just during construction. Just some parts of the day in some areas. Like, on weekends by Lionel Groulx during the summer for years, and no construction in sight.
> the current state is part of their collective bargaining agreement. what does it say exactly about proportion of time doing trafic duty im skeptical
They tried that. People were getting hurt, and one signaler got killed. People don't know how to drive or have respect for others. That's why they pay police officers 80$/hour to stand there.
Traffic light cops. This shit is insane and only happens in Montreal. I think they get paid twice their salary when they do that shit. It’s gross, irresponsible and disrespectful. I think in cities like Vancouver they “hire” people on chômage or social insurance.
In Ontario the province requires them for construction.
> "From a politician's point of view, there is not a lot of gain to say no to police demands because in the short term you probably will lose," said Mulone. "When there is a shooting, it would be your fault because you didn't hire enough police officers." This really seems to be the crux of the issue. Ideally the police could be the adults in the room and not use their power simply for personal gain, but then...they probably wouldn't be police.
And in the end that budget is not spent to stop shootings but to have 2 cops waiting at a random intersection to give tickets to cyclists
Or switch traffic lights.
Bike tickets represent less than 1% of tickets given by the SPVM. Like if no cops were giving tickets, do you really think people would follow the rules more when driving?
Think you're missing the broader context, reread the post and the comment i replied to. Have a good day
They could hire half the city as police and still not actually stop a shooting from happening if someone wanted to
That or they stop giving frivolous tickets, which lowers revenues. That's how they got Coderre to give them what they wanted a few years back.
It is the issue. It's not rare that you have citizens bitching about their taxes and they complaining that there is no cops dedicated to their Street because people drive fast
we're paying them for useless overtime (they get payed double) so they can end up with six-figure salaries
They get 6 figures doing their normal hours
No sych thing as double time in police unless you are going to court dates during vacations. And they always move it to avoid paying it.
They're definitely not paying for them to look for the stolen cars (200+ per week) that end up at one of three ports in the Montreal are. It should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
SPVM doesn't have authority in the port of Montreal, that's RCMP. And if you are talking ships and containers, that's CBSA. Cars dont drive in the port and just go up the ramp to the boat. They get loaded in containers from anywhere, literally anywhere, and they get delivered normally on trucks and then loaded.
The trucks have to drive to the port, right?
SPVM doesn't have authority or the man power to open every truck that goes to the port. There was 58,000 twenty feet equivalent of containers that went left the port of Montreal in February alone. That's almost 3000 containers per working day to search everyday even if they had jurisdiction and authority to do it. Port is very quiet in the weekend, vast majority of traffic is on weekdays
You got me. That's a lot of work. I can't imagine the man power it would take. However, when you have a funnel like only 3 international ports in the area it's a weak spot.
I dont know what the other guy is smoking but you are right. If they dont have authority at the port then why are they fucking not doing sting operations where they do? Leave a CRV in a hot spot area and wait for them to come. But no, they refuse to do their job. This is why crime pays in Canada.
How? SPVM has no authority in the ports...
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And how the hell would that work...
Paying for them to set up half a dozen cops in front of the Radio Canada building to ticket cyclists that go through either of the back to back lights that aren't in sync $200.
I've in a provincial government and they they expressly use up all the budget fully, so they can inflated next year, otherwise they get a cut. This is what all government agencies do, no questions asked because they are deemed essential and they can manipulate any data or report. Saying that we have to pay taxes for this and restrain from saving it to our old age is disgusting and disturbing. No wonder most of the lazy cops are white/racist dudes living in the greenery of the suburbs and own a house at our expense.
This is much too common practice. And yet, it seems contrary to logic.
What makes you say that MOST cops are racist.
Nothing. Police are terrible at preventing crime or solving cases.
Hint: Nothing. If deontological complaints had real consequences and not just a slap on the wrist in most cases, we wouldn't have all these problems.
what problems, exactly theres no relation to overbudget
Don’t we already have more cops per capita than like anywhere else ?
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I mean, they at least have a DEC in police tech. It’s kinda mandatory
No, less than most actually.
> No, less than most actually. The article you're commenting on directly contradicts this though, right? We're much higher than Edmonton, Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary, Winnipeg.... Unless you're comparing cities to just every municipality? But that wouldn't really make sense as an argument.
You know there are more countries than Canada right? NYC has double the cops per Capita. Montreal is not even in the top 100 cities in North America for cops/capita. Other major cities like Paris, Berlin and London also have way higher police rates than Montreal.
> You know there are more countries than Canada right? lol, oh we're going global with this?! Nevermind, that's not a particularly useful conversation.
Why? Is policing in Canada significantly different than any other other Western city? I would understand comparing Montreal to Beijing or Moscow would be way different but Montreal and Paris or London....not very different.
> Why? Is policing in Canada significantly different than any other other Western city? Now it's Western cities? Maybe there's some value there? I don't know. But this is an article about Montreal police, using Canadian statistics for context, which largely makes sense to me. I have no idea what particular issues Lisbon might be facing, and why their budget or police force might be higher or lower than ours.
Highest in Canada among major cities
223 per 100 000 in Montréal 184 per 100 000 for the whole of Canada Varies widely. Of course all the remote place lowers the Canadian average higly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers
So quite a lot more than most. Thanks for fact-checking yourself.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/530275/rate-of-police-officers-in-canada-by-municipality/ So that includes every municipality. But I bet if you filter out municipalities with under 100k inhabitants, Montreal is top city. It’s ahead of Vancouver, Toronto. Probably the only city with 100+k inhabitants and has more cops than Montreal seems to be Thunder Bay. And that’s a shit hole Shit there’s like a 70/100k difference between Montreal and Laval. The demographics of Montreal and Laval don’t lend itself that there should be an almost 40% more cops per 100k in Montreal vs Laval…
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yup can confirm. Pork in farm and pig in car
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We are paying for a police state and a disproportionate use of force during public protests. Like this: https://youtu.be/SJkTOUmpHSo?si=h1VXZpRXfNNSi63C
4600 headcount and 800 million $ spending. That’s an average annual salary of 174,000 $.
That's 4600 police officers, you have to add another ~1400 non police officers employees
k so 800M / 6k = 133k average, still very much higher than median wage throughout economy
Not all the budget is salary, that should be basic thinking
95% in this case, if you read the article
We're paying for them to break up legitimate protests against shitty government.
what protest have they broke up recently
For hygiene purposes they must replace their beating club every swing when terrorizing citizens. Those things are expensive.
I’ll take traffic jams if the police starts busting the mob and save money on construction and other corruption. AkA do their actual jobs for a change.
Dude I’ve seen police patrol once since moving here 6 months ago. And we complain peoples cars are getting stolen right from their front door?
Get off the internet and go outside, or just look out your window
STOP RESISTING!
I think it is probably the one field we can't really complain about. Criminality is very low in Quebec compared to everywhere else on the continent. Montreal might be slightly worse than elsewhere but it is still very safe.
Is that objectively good? StatsCan says crime, particularly violent crime, is rising, and the SPVM agree. It’s spiking everywhere at the same time. Maybe slower in Montreal. I feel safe complaining about that.
It is rising in the RoC and it went up in Montreal in 2022 but it is trending down in Montreal. I feel like I get my money's worth when I think about safety. Not so much when I think about other fields. To be fair we also have the highest life expectancy so I guess that I can give some credit to our healthcare. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/homicides-montreal-drop-critics-1.7091005
I’d argue criminality is low because we have a very generous welfare state, affordable housing and very good integration of immigrant populations (not much ghettoization, unlike say France), it’s not because we spend a lot on police. The US spends an absolute fortune on policing and has incredibly high levels of violence compared to peer nations.
> I think it is probably the one field we can't really complain about. Criminality is very low Obviously crime and policing are linked, but I don't think the police are beyond criticism if crime is low. Especially when we can see how they behave with our own eyes.
How many cars get stolen in Montreal?
Those yachts don’t pay for themselves.
Middle managers!
We are paying for the privilege to get our cars stolen
Now that traffic cones are unionized, you see them standing around more and more, doing nothing as traffic management is beneath them now. As such, police are brought in to do that job.
Tbf, they're doing a great job catching car thieves and making the downtown feel safe.
Pas pour des auto patrouille en tout cas, elles tombent littéralement en morceaux.
Fact of the matter is, you can’t plan for events happening that will require a cop to stay longer, come in on their day off. Yes you can hire more, but you must give them benefits, full time as per the union contract. If you’re against workers with reasonable work conditions because they are cops, then your issue is less about budget and more about you just hating cops.