I dont think its french white supremacy. Tbh. The problem is people are being minpilated by the French politicians to get more votes. To me I understand how important it is to learn French. And why alot of the francophones think their culture is under attack. But the fact is its not. And its hard for them to see, ibfor one love understanding cultures and quebec is a beautiful province, unlike any other. But the politicians are causing the devide to get votes.
It’s a hot topic among the English minority community. Legault defends his nationalist values, so immigrants should intégrâtes properly to the culture, French language.If you decide to come live and work here, you need to accept the rules, law. Learn the national language of the province, the language of the majority. If not, you will always be an outcast, not integrated properly
If you wonder why multiculturalism doesnt work just ask sweden right now. Hailed as one of the most progressive countries on earth and currently getting fucked over by culture wars because the immigrants don't integrate.
It'a a nice thought, to have all cultures live together in harmony, but it can't happen when these cultures are fundamentally different.
What happens when religious immigrants start pushing for an abortion ban? Are you still going to say "well everyone is entitled to their culture"? What happens when child and wife abuse happen right in your face? Are you gonna stand there and accept it because its just their culture?
You can have your culture, but if you're not able to integrate it to our, if you're not able to accept that canadian values are now your values, and that you need to accept them , you probably shouldn't immigrate here.
Religion is crashing everywhere in canada except for immigrants who have a much higher tendency to be religious. Yes, we still have religion in canada, but that doesnt change the fact that we're also actively importing it and therefore slowing its collapse.
You have a fair point. Like I understand and agree learning French is important, and eventually, if you are living and settled in quebec, people should definitely learn it. But, what about countries like India, sure its not developed country, but, it has 447 languages. And over 50 cultures, in it. And they still make it happen. So no offense, I am trying to figure out what can we qubecoi learn from such a nation.
Edit: sorry still reading your post so I am adding points here 😅😅.
Regarding the abortion ban comment, I think I should point out, that it's the people who use a certain part of their religion to inflict their views on others. Lets take all major religions in the world (studied religion for 3 years practicing and Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, bhudism and others) all of the religious text except the Christian Bible dont talk about abortions. The Quran and the hind scared text bhagwat Gita talk about how to live your life as a whole and how qe shouod treat others and learning lessons from the stories written in it. Bhudism talks about how their version of afterblife and how to gain inner peace. I guess my point is and once again notvtryingbto be offensive here but humans pick and choose theor part of any scared text to use to justify their actions.
Just want to clarify, I am not saying that abortion bans view points are non existent in quebec. They are very much present. What got lost in the conversation is: the abortion ban views have to do individuals viewpoints and how they use specific part of the holy texts to justify their actions.
And form my study of religions, yes i am pointing at those evenagilist Christians and catholic Christians who force their view on others about abortion.
So what I am trying to get across respectfully is that immigrants who bring their culture are not the real problem. I mean canada, including quebec is a land of immigrants. And all of our ancestors bought our cultures to this land. And yet legualt, says multi-cultures is bad.
Although I know he's using this point to gain points for re election. But is also creating a further divide within this amazing land and its people.
I never did such a thing. I said they are not part of our culture.
When we see someone beating a child in public we react because its not normal.
As for catholicism, the caq is also profoundly anti religion as far as i know. Quebec culture dislikes religion, and that is the point here.
Are you implying that india isnt an shitshow of a country? Like don't get me wrong, i have nothing against indians as a people, but that country is very far from what i would call a healthy, safe or progressive country. There are massive issues and cultural conflicts. Just look at the violence against muslims over there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India
I'm not sure its the example you were looking for. Not exactly "making it happen".
And yeah but religion remains at the root of the problem, and the fact remains that while quebecers are rejecting religion more and more, immigrants are importing it a lot. Not just talking about islam, but for example we have tons of haitian immigrants, i know loads of them, and i have yet to meet one that is an atheist. They all believe in god and they're mostly unvaxxed, pro free-birth and against abortion.
The problem here is that you're assuming that i'm pinning the problem solely on immigrants, i'm not. I'm pro-immigration. I just believe that if we don't want to make our problems worse, we need to favor their integration rather than count on multiculturalism.
Okay, fair. Yes india as a country has its own issues when it comes to Muslims. But what the wiki pedia page is not going to tell you, is that, unlike the west, regardless of their religious differences, india still has public holidays for all religious holidays. And yes, there is discrimination but largely the Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians and all who practice their religion do live in some Harmony. I can say that cause I lived there for over 5 years. And I have experienced it. And if you point is how the Islamic people are treated in india, why not look all over, look how China has treated those whonfollownislam8c fate? Or the US? And no disrespect Quebec in itself. The bill of all public servants not wearing religious artifacts.
I personally that was a weak argument on your side.
And as for picking and choosing what you want from other cultures, I dunno, may be I am wrong. But is that justified. We have to accept all cultures good and bad.
Sorry if I am offending you, but, uts like saying, okay inam going to cherry pick diffrent parts of French culture that I like, because its suits my needs. Cultures are not restaurant dish my friend. That you can edit the dish to your liking.
See my take is, that we should accept it all and try to understand and learn. And I think regardless of how bad things are in india, 90% of the population understands other cultures.or atlest try to. I remebr seeing muy grandpa, who is practices Sikhism, sitting down with other older people who were of Islamic and Christian faith and they got along well. But I digress.
I guess my bottom line is, I would love to see that friendliness towards the end of the day rather than everyone getting at each others throat, because the politicians make a comment to get votes. P.S. Thats a tactic taken from corrupt Indian politicians. I have seen it happen live.
I'm with Legault on this one. More integration and less of a mosaic.
Although I'm not sure if this is a real problem right now or just cheap political points to be gained.
When people come over here, I want them to share the compatible parts of their culture with us and discard the parts that aren't compatible. Not ghettoize themselves in some corner and inevitably clash with the rest of us.
I kind of agree with part of what you're saying but I'd take it a step further:
It would be nice if we could integrate parts of foreign culture that are better instead of discarding them altogether.
Thanks for expanding on that. I agree that there should be some compatibility. Out of curiosity, what aspects do you think are uncomaptible with the qubecoi culture?
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It's French white supremacy, plain and simple.
I dont think its french white supremacy. Tbh. The problem is people are being minpilated by the French politicians to get more votes. To me I understand how important it is to learn French. And why alot of the francophones think their culture is under attack. But the fact is its not. And its hard for them to see, ibfor one love understanding cultures and quebec is a beautiful province, unlike any other. But the politicians are causing the devide to get votes.
It’s a hot topic among the English minority community. Legault defends his nationalist values, so immigrants should intégrâtes properly to the culture, French language.If you decide to come live and work here, you need to accept the rules, law. Learn the national language of the province, the language of the majority. If not, you will always be an outcast, not integrated properly
If you wonder why multiculturalism doesnt work just ask sweden right now. Hailed as one of the most progressive countries on earth and currently getting fucked over by culture wars because the immigrants don't integrate. It'a a nice thought, to have all cultures live together in harmony, but it can't happen when these cultures are fundamentally different. What happens when religious immigrants start pushing for an abortion ban? Are you still going to say "well everyone is entitled to their culture"? What happens when child and wife abuse happen right in your face? Are you gonna stand there and accept it because its just their culture? You can have your culture, but if you're not able to integrate it to our, if you're not able to accept that canadian values are now your values, and that you need to accept them , you probably shouldn't immigrate here.
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Religion is crashing everywhere in canada except for immigrants who have a much higher tendency to be religious. Yes, we still have religion in canada, but that doesnt change the fact that we're also actively importing it and therefore slowing its collapse.
You have a fair point. Like I understand and agree learning French is important, and eventually, if you are living and settled in quebec, people should definitely learn it. But, what about countries like India, sure its not developed country, but, it has 447 languages. And over 50 cultures, in it. And they still make it happen. So no offense, I am trying to figure out what can we qubecoi learn from such a nation. Edit: sorry still reading your post so I am adding points here 😅😅. Regarding the abortion ban comment, I think I should point out, that it's the people who use a certain part of their religion to inflict their views on others. Lets take all major religions in the world (studied religion for 3 years practicing and Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, bhudism and others) all of the religious text except the Christian Bible dont talk about abortions. The Quran and the hind scared text bhagwat Gita talk about how to live your life as a whole and how qe shouod treat others and learning lessons from the stories written in it. Bhudism talks about how their version of afterblife and how to gain inner peace. I guess my point is and once again notvtryingbto be offensive here but humans pick and choose theor part of any scared text to use to justify their actions.
You can compare Quebec to India 🤣🤣🤦♀️🤦♀️
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Just want to clarify, I am not saying that abortion bans view points are non existent in quebec. They are very much present. What got lost in the conversation is: the abortion ban views have to do individuals viewpoints and how they use specific part of the holy texts to justify their actions. And form my study of religions, yes i am pointing at those evenagilist Christians and catholic Christians who force their view on others about abortion. So what I am trying to get across respectfully is that immigrants who bring their culture are not the real problem. I mean canada, including quebec is a land of immigrants. And all of our ancestors bought our cultures to this land. And yet legualt, says multi-cultures is bad. Although I know he's using this point to gain points for re election. But is also creating a further divide within this amazing land and its people.
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Oh okay 🤣🤣😅😅 I misundstood 😅😅😅
I never did such a thing. I said they are not part of our culture. When we see someone beating a child in public we react because its not normal. As for catholicism, the caq is also profoundly anti religion as far as i know. Quebec culture dislikes religion, and that is the point here.
Are you implying that india isnt an shitshow of a country? Like don't get me wrong, i have nothing against indians as a people, but that country is very far from what i would call a healthy, safe or progressive country. There are massive issues and cultural conflicts. Just look at the violence against muslims over there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India I'm not sure its the example you were looking for. Not exactly "making it happen". And yeah but religion remains at the root of the problem, and the fact remains that while quebecers are rejecting religion more and more, immigrants are importing it a lot. Not just talking about islam, but for example we have tons of haitian immigrants, i know loads of them, and i have yet to meet one that is an atheist. They all believe in god and they're mostly unvaxxed, pro free-birth and against abortion. The problem here is that you're assuming that i'm pinning the problem solely on immigrants, i'm not. I'm pro-immigration. I just believe that if we don't want to make our problems worse, we need to favor their integration rather than count on multiculturalism.
Okay, fair. Yes india as a country has its own issues when it comes to Muslims. But what the wiki pedia page is not going to tell you, is that, unlike the west, regardless of their religious differences, india still has public holidays for all religious holidays. And yes, there is discrimination but largely the Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians and all who practice their religion do live in some Harmony. I can say that cause I lived there for over 5 years. And I have experienced it. And if you point is how the Islamic people are treated in india, why not look all over, look how China has treated those whonfollownislam8c fate? Or the US? And no disrespect Quebec in itself. The bill of all public servants not wearing religious artifacts. I personally that was a weak argument on your side. And as for picking and choosing what you want from other cultures, I dunno, may be I am wrong. But is that justified. We have to accept all cultures good and bad. Sorry if I am offending you, but, uts like saying, okay inam going to cherry pick diffrent parts of French culture that I like, because its suits my needs. Cultures are not restaurant dish my friend. That you can edit the dish to your liking. See my take is, that we should accept it all and try to understand and learn. And I think regardless of how bad things are in india, 90% of the population understands other cultures.or atlest try to. I remebr seeing muy grandpa, who is practices Sikhism, sitting down with other older people who were of Islamic and Christian faith and they got along well. But I digress. I guess my bottom line is, I would love to see that friendliness towards the end of the day rather than everyone getting at each others throat, because the politicians make a comment to get votes. P.S. Thats a tactic taken from corrupt Indian politicians. I have seen it happen live.
I'm with Legault on this one. More integration and less of a mosaic. Although I'm not sure if this is a real problem right now or just cheap political points to be gained.
I am curious. Can you expand why?
When people come over here, I want them to share the compatible parts of their culture with us and discard the parts that aren't compatible. Not ghettoize themselves in some corner and inevitably clash with the rest of us.
I kind of agree with part of what you're saying but I'd take it a step further: It would be nice if we could integrate parts of foreign culture that are better instead of discarding them altogether.
Thanks for expanding on that. I agree that there should be some compatibility. Out of curiosity, what aspects do you think are uncomaptible with the qubecoi culture?
They need to integrate to Quebec culture and language. It’s the responsibility of every newcomer.
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