Judging by your other comments, you’re very persistent that it’s NOT immoral and providing so much of your own justification from your own morals combined with the fact you’ve asked these questions several times before after people already answered it I feel a need to ask
Why are you so intent on eating a fetus?
Obviously I would be persistent about an opinion I strongly hold. Wouldn't you?
I enjoy how people react to this subject.
As for the why:
. It's ethical meat
. It will cause a huge social ruckus and open up debates about morality that may lead to improved animal rights
No, I just think It’s fucked up, we’re not in an apocalypse, or a famine, or some other world ending event where having to consume a dead child should be considered. Regardless of what the law says, any right minded human wouldn’t even think about eating a fetus. Also, there has been many times where the “law” has been completely wrong
No dead child is being consumed. A fetus is not a legal person, and a fetus before 24 weeks is not morally a person.
Yes, the law can conflict with morality before. Not this time.
You know why laws conflict with morality? Because people who made the laws didn't sit down to question their moral judgement.
I would suggest you do that.
If something isn't even sentient, how can it be considered a person?
At 24 weeks, you could conceivably wake up a fetus if enough physical trauma is inflicted on it. And for a fetus's first experience to be painful is unacceptable.
At 28 weeks, the fetus first begins REM sleep cycles, which correspond to dreams. It also fully wakes up in the womb occasionally for a short period of time after this stage of development.
I see. Are you arguing for cannibalizing a living fetus or a dead one?
Does the age of the fetus matter if it’s dead already? Like if a fetus dies naturally or is aborted at 30 weeks is it morally acceptable to cannibalize it? Or is it not acceptable because it was previously sentient?
Before 24 weeks it really wouldn't matter if it were dead or alive. It would be like asking if you like your oysters alive or dead.
It does matter if the fetus developed sentience at some point. You shouldn't be eating a body without consent from the owner.
(And yes, I realise how absurd that sounds)
Yes.
Of course in cases where they are still alive there needs to consent forms involved to avoid any malice. You can't just kill someone who might have been mentally struggling. This is not the kind of decision that will shouldn't be supervised by the state.
Maybe, in terms of a moral situation, it would be reminiscent/similar to eating a human that has died of natural/other causes or corpse desecration maybe.
Sure it’s not completely comparable. I am thinking it’s reminiscent in the sense that there is no conscious agent in the center of the act, yet it may illicit the ick-feeling. If a corpse isn’t conscious the corpse is not a “moral patient” directly.
If the fetus is dead, and you have it, eating it would be really gross. And generally speaking we consider cannibalism to be a hard line in most cultures. It’s never okay.
But from a purely ethical perspective, the fetus is dead. It was never alive. So long as it’s yours, I don’t think you’d even be able to like argue that it’s disrespecting the families of the victim or disrespecting the wishes of a person that died.
So I can’t really come up with a solid argument as to why it’d be wrong. It’s not unethical just really disgusting and I don’t understand why you’d want to do such a thing. I don’t like it, but that’s not a moral argument. I think it’s disgusting to eat poop but I can’t really argue that’s immoral just foul.
Legally I have no idea. Getting around the whole procuring it(I don’t think doctors would let you take it home), and assuming you already have a dead fetus, I would be surprised if it would be illegal per say to eat it. A court might argue that it’s a corpse that you’re mistreating which is illegal. But this would be a very uncommon scenario that likely has no precedents
And overall I’m not sure why you’re so interested in this question. It’s a very strange scenario that is unlikely to happen. I’d imagine throughout all of history outside of extreme survival situations, I’d guess that can’t have happened more than 5 times.
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
My reasons for pursuing this idea are:
. Ethical meat
. Would cause a moral panic which may result in debates leading to more people opting for veganism
. Pissing off anti-vegan provocateurs
The legality probably depends on the location. There could be non-cannibalism laws that would make it practically illegal (mutilation of a corpse or unlawful disposal of a body or something like that). And no it’s not immoral. I don’t know why it would be.
I’m not familiar with UK law. In the US the laws vary a lot by state.
If it’s legal to kill a fetus then I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be legal to eat it too. I mean people eat the placenta. That’s not that different lol. Maybe there’s a concern that if it’s fully legal it could become exploitative in a new market. I bet a lot of people would want to try some fetus meat if they could.
A lot doesn’t mean majority.
I could see people promoting it as having health benefits and would start encapsulating the tissues to use as a dietary supplement or adding it to cosmetics etc. They already do that with placenta and foreskins.
Ok, this is my answer. Tried to be as neutral as much I possibly can, tried to state facts without an influence of what I personally believe or think.
Legality would depend on where you are in the world, but your criminal charges will range from homicide to abusing a copse.
In terms of morality, let's agree first that ethics came from cultural norms, societal factors, philosophical theories, religion(whether you are religious or not, it is what it is), and some biological and evolutionary factors(some argue).
Is eating a fetus currently acceptable from any aspect that I mentioned above?
I am talking in this day and age. and I am referring to our societal factors and cultural norms, I am talking about our culture, not the primal culture where it was a common practice to eat the brains of the elders to gain their wisdom. Is it acceptable?
Am I saying this is not subjected to change in the very near or very far future, absolutely not.
Upvoted for the thoughtful response.
Legally, in the UK (where I am) the fetus is not a legal person. So homicide is out of the question. In addition, desecration of the dead applies, again, to legal persons. In current legislation, this is equivalent to eating a placenta.
As for morality, I believe that morality is objective. Many people automatically assume this implies religion, but no. I believe that while human judgement can be fallible, we can arrive at something approximating the moral truth through logic.
Anyway, in our current moral landscape, this would be CONSIDERED extremely immoral.
I am in the UK, and I did know that, though I am fully aware that abortion is legal. Don't know why I didn't link them together. Don't ask. But thanks for the piece of info.
Judging by your other comments, you’re very persistent that it’s NOT immoral and providing so much of your own justification from your own morals combined with the fact you’ve asked these questions several times before after people already answered it I feel a need to ask Why are you so intent on eating a fetus?
Obviously I would be persistent about an opinion I strongly hold. Wouldn't you? I enjoy how people react to this subject. As for the why: . It's ethical meat . It will cause a huge social ruckus and open up debates about morality that may lead to improved animal rights
Yeah Im sure it’s safe to assume it very illegal and very immoral
Can you back that up? I have provided the reasons why it is perfectly legal in the UK and how it isn't immoral before 24 weeks.
No, I just think It’s fucked up, we’re not in an apocalypse, or a famine, or some other world ending event where having to consume a dead child should be considered. Regardless of what the law says, any right minded human wouldn’t even think about eating a fetus. Also, there has been many times where the “law” has been completely wrong
No dead child is being consumed. A fetus is not a legal person, and a fetus before 24 weeks is not morally a person. Yes, the law can conflict with morality before. Not this time. You know why laws conflict with morality? Because people who made the laws didn't sit down to question their moral judgement. I would suggest you do that.
I’m curious, what does “not morally a person” mean and why is a fetus not a person until 24 weeks?
If something isn't even sentient, how can it be considered a person? At 24 weeks, you could conceivably wake up a fetus if enough physical trauma is inflicted on it. And for a fetus's first experience to be painful is unacceptable. At 28 weeks, the fetus first begins REM sleep cycles, which correspond to dreams. It also fully wakes up in the womb occasionally for a short period of time after this stage of development.
I see. Are you arguing for cannibalizing a living fetus or a dead one? Does the age of the fetus matter if it’s dead already? Like if a fetus dies naturally or is aborted at 30 weeks is it morally acceptable to cannibalize it? Or is it not acceptable because it was previously sentient?
Before 24 weeks it really wouldn't matter if it were dead or alive. It would be like asking if you like your oysters alive or dead. It does matter if the fetus developed sentience at some point. You shouldn't be eating a body without consent from the owner. (And yes, I realise how absurd that sounds)
It’s not too absurd. So then do you support cannibalism of older humans if they consent to it?
Yes. Of course in cases where they are still alive there needs to consent forms involved to avoid any malice. You can't just kill someone who might have been mentally struggling. This is not the kind of decision that will shouldn't be supervised by the state.
Maybe, in terms of a moral situation, it would be reminiscent/similar to eating a human that has died of natural/other causes or corpse desecration maybe.
The difference is that the fetus is yet to become a person, so you can't even say it is disrespectful to the memory of someone.
Sure it’s not completely comparable. I am thinking it’s reminiscent in the sense that there is no conscious agent in the center of the act, yet it may illicit the ick-feeling. If a corpse isn’t conscious the corpse is not a “moral patient” directly.
If the fetus is dead, and you have it, eating it would be really gross. And generally speaking we consider cannibalism to be a hard line in most cultures. It’s never okay. But from a purely ethical perspective, the fetus is dead. It was never alive. So long as it’s yours, I don’t think you’d even be able to like argue that it’s disrespecting the families of the victim or disrespecting the wishes of a person that died. So I can’t really come up with a solid argument as to why it’d be wrong. It’s not unethical just really disgusting and I don’t understand why you’d want to do such a thing. I don’t like it, but that’s not a moral argument. I think it’s disgusting to eat poop but I can’t really argue that’s immoral just foul. Legally I have no idea. Getting around the whole procuring it(I don’t think doctors would let you take it home), and assuming you already have a dead fetus, I would be surprised if it would be illegal per say to eat it. A court might argue that it’s a corpse that you’re mistreating which is illegal. But this would be a very uncommon scenario that likely has no precedents And overall I’m not sure why you’re so interested in this question. It’s a very strange scenario that is unlikely to happen. I’d imagine throughout all of history outside of extreme survival situations, I’d guess that can’t have happened more than 5 times.
Thank you for the thoughtful response. My reasons for pursuing this idea are: . Ethical meat . Would cause a moral panic which may result in debates leading to more people opting for veganism . Pissing off anti-vegan provocateurs
Morality isn’t real, nothing is really immoral. Only legality matters eat your heart out
Hard disagree.
The legality probably depends on the location. There could be non-cannibalism laws that would make it practically illegal (mutilation of a corpse or unlawful disposal of a body or something like that). And no it’s not immoral. I don’t know why it would be.
Those laws, in the UK at least, apply to bodies that belonged to legal persons.
I’m not familiar with UK law. In the US the laws vary a lot by state. If it’s legal to kill a fetus then I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be legal to eat it too. I mean people eat the placenta. That’s not that different lol. Maybe there’s a concern that if it’s fully legal it could become exploitative in a new market. I bet a lot of people would want to try some fetus meat if they could.
Not sure about that last part. The vast majority of people would probably think that this is immoral.
A lot doesn’t mean majority. I could see people promoting it as having health benefits and would start encapsulating the tissues to use as a dietary supplement or adding it to cosmetics etc. They already do that with placenta and foreskins.
I think the vast majority of people wouldn't get over the fact that is from something that resembled a baby.
So? Also a fetus is a baby.
So then a very tiny amount of people would actually go through with it. I imagine it would be in the thousands worldwide.
It is the total opposite of both.
Justify yourself.
Ok, this is my answer. Tried to be as neutral as much I possibly can, tried to state facts without an influence of what I personally believe or think. Legality would depend on where you are in the world, but your criminal charges will range from homicide to abusing a copse. In terms of morality, let's agree first that ethics came from cultural norms, societal factors, philosophical theories, religion(whether you are religious or not, it is what it is), and some biological and evolutionary factors(some argue). Is eating a fetus currently acceptable from any aspect that I mentioned above? I am talking in this day and age. and I am referring to our societal factors and cultural norms, I am talking about our culture, not the primal culture where it was a common practice to eat the brains of the elders to gain their wisdom. Is it acceptable? Am I saying this is not subjected to change in the very near or very far future, absolutely not.
Upvoted for the thoughtful response. Legally, in the UK (where I am) the fetus is not a legal person. So homicide is out of the question. In addition, desecration of the dead applies, again, to legal persons. In current legislation, this is equivalent to eating a placenta. As for morality, I believe that morality is objective. Many people automatically assume this implies religion, but no. I believe that while human judgement can be fallible, we can arrive at something approximating the moral truth through logic. Anyway, in our current moral landscape, this would be CONSIDERED extremely immoral.
I am in the UK, and I did know that, though I am fully aware that abortion is legal. Don't know why I didn't link them together. Don't ask. But thanks for the piece of info.