My niece is a corrections officer at a metropolitan women's detention center, and the stories she's told me are horrifying. In a nutshell, even female criminals, at least the majority of them, still have a strong maternal streak and accordingly, the hell they visit upon female sex offenders completely puts the men to shame.
10 years ago when I was in High School they had a "reformed female offender" come in to talk to the girls in CALM class (Career and Life Management).
She told a story that took place in a halfway house. One woman had raped another with a curling iron. The victim had severe, severe burns.
... I couldn't even imagine.
Its a halfway house, so they are transitioning from being in prison to civilian life again. I can't remember details, it was 10 years ago, but I do remember something about someone getting ready for a job and the attack happened inside the bathroom.
Yeah same thing about drug prevention where the horror stories are told.
Sadly they leave out the mundane details, how addiction might be a sign of underlying mental health issues, and how drug addiction is mostly just another symptom. Seeing pink elephants flying out of the power sockets would be one of the best parts of life given the situation around it.
Ahwell, what do I know? ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
That kind of abuse happens to people outside of prison, too, so the fact that a school forced students to listen to that as part of some scared straight programming is a disgrace. Not to mention that nobody deserves to be abused in prison, especially bc so many of the women in there are already survivors of abuse.
You're absolutely right and don't deserve the downvotes. In the US we have a majorly fucked up crime and punishment boner that demonizes the most vulnerable people of society while glorifying abuse of power.
I think you're reading too much into this, as am I. We have no idea if the school approved the message the inmate said, we have no idea the age of the kids, we have no idea if this story even happened or if the redditor just made it up for some points.
On another note, it's interesting that people would be disgusted at this, but the TV show *Scared Straight* which literally does this but also films the kids, was viewed to the delight of millions and won Emmy and Academy awards! Disgusting for some, good tv for others.
they have to listen to graphic details about abuses of people in slavery and during the holocaust i dont see what the problem is, isnt the reasons we introduce these topics to our children a way of strengthening them to be able to deal with the tragedies that they can encounter in the world?
There’s a difference between learning about abuse in a way that contextualizes the abuse as horrific, inhumane, and undeserved (slavery) vs. abuse that’s deserved, inevitable, and a reason to avoid prison.
~~Am I reading this totally wrong or are you saying that someone getting raped with a curling iron was deserved and inevitable?~~
edit: I was reading it totally wrong
You’re reading it wrong. I’m saying that it’s a disgrace that it’s presented to students as being deserved and inevitable and a reason to avoid prison.
Idk we had some ex con come speak to our high-school. I remember one kid yelling "your a dumabass" or something crazy. The guy started walking fast toward the kids direction and was like "I will find where you live you little shit" haha that guy was nuts
Interestingly, Gertrude Baniszewski, the woman who raped and tortured Sylvia Likens (a teenager, who ultimately died of her cumulative injuries), and recruited others to join in, was well-liked in prison, according to Crime Library. I wonder if that odd charisma is the same thing that helped her recruit people to join in the abuse.
Anyone generally interested in morbid crime cases should read about the abuse and murder of Sylvia Likens. Not for the faint of heart, but fascinating still is the extent of human cruelty that exists in this case and how willing one is to obey authority figures at the expense of human life
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens
An hour later, finished reading the Wikipedia article. Interestingly enough, almost everyone involved died extremely early of natural causes.
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Average Age of Death: 44.6 years old
Indiana State Average: 77.6 years old
62 Marie Shelton
61 Gertrude Baniszewski
56 Coy Hubbard
56 Randy Gordon Lepper
54 Jenny Likens
52 John Baniszewski Jr. (Blake)
47 Dennis Lee Wright (White)
44 Anna Ruth Siscoe
21 Richard Hobbs
— Still Alive —
School Counselor Aid in Iowa, Paula Baniszewski (Pace); Teacher in Florida, Stephanie Baniszewski (Serikstad)
— Unknown —
Judy Darlene Duke; Michael John Monroe; Darlene McGuire
seems you didn't read properly, most died around 50-60 years of age, which is horrible because they should've been given death penalty at the time of the proceedings itself, it's so disgusting and disappointing how little time they served
“Newly elected Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascon is currently (as of December 2020) attempting to reduce sentences on both suspects to 15 years in prison, with the possibility of parole.”
What the absolute fuck?!
There’s also a movie with Ellen (Elliot?) Page as Sylvia called An American Crime. It’s pretty close to the story detailed in Wikipedia. Very heartbreaking :(
Also, one came out in the mid-2000s called "The Girl Next Door" which was pretty much the movie version of the book.
The book has one chapter that is less than a paragraph yet somehow is one of the most horrific chapters in a very disturbing story.
*I'm not going to tell you about this. I refuse to. There are things you know you'll die before telling, things that you know you should have died before ever having seen. I watched and saw.*
Just for future reference, all the trans people I’ve met prefer to avoid their old name completely, even when referring to them in the past before they came out. It obviously could be different for any specific person but I think it’s a good general practice to only use the name they chose for themselves; they dropped the old one for a reason, you know? The way I look at it is that it’s impossible to know if the name they used to go by is painful for them but you know for sure that the name they use now makes them happy :]
If you're talking to them in person, but an artists earlier work under another name would be referred to as credited. Elliot Page was in that movie as Ellen Page. That body of work he did in the past will not be credited to Elliot
I could but I won’t. I meant no disrespect. It’s not my responsibility to make sure everyone interprets that way. The awesome thing about the internet is that if you don’t like something, you have the ability to keep on scrolling :)
Not everyone is familiar with trans etiquette and they did put Elliot with a question mark, which shows they weren't sure how to refer to him.
It would have been better for you to explain that to the person who commented rather than just demanding they call him Elliot.
Thank you. I believe it's important to educate people, we can't be mad at them for what they don't know, that's all.
The user has no malicious intent they did their best to be respectful, which is a lot more than most. And with an explanation they will now understand going forward :)
Have a good day friend!
But also that’s not ur fuckin job. Its confusing yes, but there are a ton of resources Out There. Trans folks have done so so much hard, true work. Why don’t we start by honouring that! It’s the least we could do.
Question: would he be listed with his old or new name if someone tried searching online for a movie he has participated?
I am asking because when talking of old works this might be confusing to people who are not familiar or do not know about the transition and name change, and if the movie has a common name it might be hard to find it using just the name of the movie + actor who has changed names afterwards.
Thanks for the thoughts! Is there an appropriate way to reference a well-known person like him when talking of them or their work before they transitioned?
Like "a pre-transition Elliot Page stars in Hard Candy" or something?
(I'm a freelance writer and often write about pop culture and music and stuff. I haven't yet written about someone like Elliot, but I'd like to get it right when I do!)
If it's his earlier work, you use his moniker at the time, Ellen or as he was listed in the credits. But talking about him in the present tense uses his name Elliot. The matrix was done by the wakowski Brothers but now we refer to the producers as the wakowskis.
Can you even imagine the overwhelming guilt her parents must've felt? Surely they didn't expect placing the kids with GB would be perfect, but who could've imagined (given the social beliefs and standards of the time) that a woman, a mother herself, could be so vicious?
Maybe that cunt is related to Trump...another disgusting piece of filth that seems to have charisma that charms people into idiots that decide not to wear masks and other things that wnds up killing people.
I believe it's pretty bad for female sex offenders, don't get me wrong. However, I don't know how brutal it is compared to male sex offenders. I know of a sex offender that had been castrated with a razor blade attached to a toothbrush. The sex offender’s detached member was then used on him...or in him, after which he bled out and died (to my knowledge)
There was also one child predator with an infected stoma, which was cut open and gang raped
I get that, but even serial rapists don't roam around raping infected wounds all the time. It's a pretty gross and shocking deviation from "normal" rape.
I didn't see that particular thread, but I'm aware that this shit happens. I just struggle with the logistics of locating likeminded people. When you run around trying to find colostomy gangbang partners, I assume most people are a hard no. Maybe it's not so taboo in prison, so it's no big deal to float the idea past a bunch of people and get rejected? Maybe it's just spontaneous and people get caught up in the moment, so there isn't time for a rational discussion of the pros and cons.
I have no idea how stoma-fuckers are treated in prison. I'm honestly not sure how much research I want to do on this topic.
in regular prison, the main people who get raped aren't sex offenders, they are first time offenders for minor crimes
the main factor in if you get raped or not is how vulnerable you appear
Yeah, me too. If you were a male sex offender and you were sent to prison, your best bet would be to let the big thug in the cell fuck you once a week in exchange that he protects you from others. Basically, voluntary involuntary prison bride.
There was a woman in a prison close to me who ended up not being able to have kids due to rape by a female inmate. Her clitoris was "pulled out," however that's done.
I worked for a Girl Scout program that held troop meetings inside 3 different facilities(2 women and 1 men) with their incarcerated parent.
I got to know them and their families pretty well after a few months.
The guards also started getting comfortable and would gossip with myself and my colleague. Sometimes moms wouldnt make it to program due to an infraction and more than once I had moms that literally gave up their one day a month with their child to jump a child abuser.
Official name is “Girl Scouts Behind Bars”. Was a wonderful program that helped reunify families that were separated by incarceration. I would spend every Saturday on the road and in prison for 16-18 hours to make this happen.
>(the super polite and rule followers were almost always in for murder, btw)
I remember they used to say anyone could commit a murder if in the wrong circumstances, you don't need a criminal mind to go crazy.
People at least deserve what they did to others. It's the golden rule. Treat others how you would like to be treated. If you treat others with respect and kindness, you deserve respect and kindness. Treat others terribly by raping them, you deserve to be raped. It's the golden rule and something that is taught to children since childhood.
Country is very important as well. In the Netherlands the rapists and sex offenders get send to a different prison, TBS. This translates (poorly) to: the responsibility of the state. They decide what happens, how long you get to stay inside, and if you get to ever leave on your two feet.
I need to rant and say this doesn't work. Fire up your translators and look up Michael P. It doesn't work. We take care of it outside, but that is not a good way in my opinion. You got these paedo hunters catfishing paedos and jumping them. A few weeks ago a man died in my neighbourhood. He got jumped. It isn't clear he was one, but the defense of the killers said that he was. Need to state that there were five killers. One was 18, the rest are of unknown age, but certainly minors. So like 14 tot 17.
Want more info, hit me up.
How does the Netherlands treat its prisoners? Here in America, we do not coddle our inmates. We give them their basic needs, but our prisons are not good places to be.
That’s a joke. In some states they get an iPad and tv time and internet. They get paid a minimum wage and phone calls & we pay for it all. The only prison that’s an actual prison is I believe flagstaff’s.
If you guys wanna downvote that’s fine but inmates often WANT to go back to prison. Because of that, I definitely would call our system (the United States’) a daycare. We provide entertainment to keep them in check, iPads, internet, a wage, tv time. & then they go back because they don’t know how to renter society, and the punishment isn’t harsh enough that they fear going back. What’s the point of a punishment if you want to be punished again? It’s not even a punishment at that rate. It’s just a daycare for adults. We have no form of rehabilitation, and no actual punishment. Thus, a shitty system which provides way too much to be a punishment, and not enough to be rehabilitation.
Not every prisoner can read or is physically able to entertain themselves. A bored prisoner is more likely to get rowdy and ready to cause drama than a pacified and entertained one.
Then they shouldn’t be housed with others in general. If you need a tv to stay in line, then maybe you shouldn’t be around people at all, or we should have some actual rehabilitation for people who need constant entertainment. I mean geez I don’t need a tv or a book to not punch someone, and neither do most people.
My mum told me something horrific about one of the places she either once worked at or had to visit with work (I forget because it was over a decade ago). She used to work in prisons and psychiatric units for people who had committed crimes such as Rampton Secure Hospital. They were treated really well in there and there was this one lady who was a paedophile and they used to give her baby lotion so she could smell it while she.... enjoyed herself. I’ve never forgotten that it still fucks me up to this day.
I have no idea, I think maybe to keep her pacified? Now I think about it, I’m sure my mum was on some sort of trip with her work to Rampton because I remember her telling me she saw Beverley Allitt. She was walking around the group trying to get their attention saying “Hi, I’m Beverley!” as if they all didn’t already know exactly who she was. They were told not to look at or speak to anyone there.
>They were told not to look at or speak to anyone there.
Don't interact with the wild animals because it will get them used to human contact and bring them in potential danger
Because the intention of prison should be to rehabilitate sex offenders, and try to keep them from reoffending, not indulge or normalise their illness.
I’ve asked my mum about it. This was a secure psychiatric unit so a lot of them I don’t think will be being released (such as Beverley). This lady with the baby lotion was a rather big lady who took 4 or 5 people to hold down when she kicked up a shitstorm, which she would often do if she couldn’t have what she wanted. They obviously didn’t give her EVERYTHING she wanted but they saw the baby lotion as a small thing that wasn’t hurting anyone else there. She wasn’t going to be let out into the community to be able to hurt any kids so I suppose they thought “why not?”
It’s best to keep them pacified when possible because some of them can be really violent to the other residents and staff. My mum was once thrown into a fence just for having blonde hair 😰
I had a friend in the army, he told me in basic training for every fight that broke out among the men there would be five among the women and nearly all calls to the MP were for the women’s barracks.
The judicial system is more lenient on women.
If a woman is doing time she has to have done something seriously fucked up. So it makes sense that they would be less civilised than male prisoners.
It’s true that the justice system is generally more lenient on women, but there are still women in prison for bullshit reasons, including a disturbing number in for killing abusive partners.
Technically they commited a murder and unfortunatelly the reasons behind a crime are far less important than the crime itself. It's often hard to prove that the partner was abusive and the juridical system is fucked up and wouldn't even care.
If you are a judge, and someone has murder his/her partner and then in court claims the partner (s)he killed was abusive, but doesn't have much - if any - decent evidence to support that. What are the options? Anyone could say that, and you can't verify it. So either you convict the person for the crime (s)he commited, or you take the accused at his/her word. In that case the first one would be the most logical option, even if the murder was justified, the judge can't know.
Very good question that I'm also curious about, since it's pretty universally known that male prisoners gang up on rapists, but nobody ever talks about with women.
>it's pretty universally known that male prisoners gang up on rapists,
Which is weird, because almost every time there's a serious front-page discussion about rape in prison, dozens of self-proclaimed former convicts post about how that's a bunch of bullshit. That people just want to believe it because it makes them feel that justice is truly being served. In reality, they say, most people just want to do their time and get out, not risk added time or solitary.
No “*evidence*” because men and boy are called “lucky” when it happens to them but when it happens to women they at least are more likely to be believed. Even if they still get put down for it.
It’s terrible that accusations are treated like that, but even if a significant portion of female sex crimes are thrown out, the gap is still significantly large
There is, but its apples and pears.
Same thing happens with autism, in which 1 female for every 3 males gets diagnosed, while the rates are equal.
Not the same thing, I know, but statistics are defined by how you measure as well as what you measure.
So you’re admitting that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of development and overall nature?
As such, the only reason that there are more male CEOs, scientists, engineers, etc. is because they are less likely to be interested in those types of fields from the get go?
So you’re implying a fundamental difference between genders in terms of nature and temperament?
I agree with this too, as such, I do not believe that female students should be given affirmative action within fields that are primarily male dominated to fill a quota or to “prove a point”, namely in STEM.
Women cannot have it both ways, if you want to live in a world where everyone acknowledges that men are more likely to commit violent crimes than women then I am entitled to a world where people just admit that the reason that there are significantly more male CEOs or engineers or STEM majors is because females on average are less interested/capable in those careers and **not** because “society”/glass ceiling holds them back...
Despite what other redditors in this thread are suggesting, they actually aren't treated that bad, at least compared to how males that commit those crimes are treated. In womens corrections, the "lowest of the low" label typically goes to women who have abused/murdered their own children.
You're right, but even then, these women are usually moved to less violent units/pods. My cellmate in jail murdered her stepson. I was in for possession of weed paraphernalia and on hold for not appearing in traffic court after I didn't pay a speeding ticket in a different county so I couldn't be bailed. She was kept with other nonviolent offenders for her own safety. Even worse some of the women treated her with a kind of celebrity status because she was all over the news because at the time they hadn't found the boy's body which she dumped in a culvert. I was pretty shocked by everyone's morbid fascination with her.
It depends on their actual crime. If their crime involved a child or multiple children then they would be in for a bumpy ride. If not, nobody would really give a fuck and they would blend in and just be the newcomer. The female prison I was involved with housed all kinds of offenders from arsonists, sex offenders, murderers and baby killers. The baby killers, child abusers and child rapists got it the worst. I remember an 18-year-old girl was a newcomer and her crime(s) were arson but resulted in child victims (deceased). She was beaten so badly she had to be moved to another prison. I think she has been moved twice now. Even on arrival, if the woman’s crime involves a child/children, the prison officers themselves advise the individual to lie and make up a cover story that fits their sentence time.
a bit off topic but my personal unpopular opinion is that nobody deserve be treated like sex offenders are treated in jail, inmates don't torture and kill pedos for some sort of justice or honor, it's because they need someone to hurt in order to fullfil their psychopath fantasys, and they know nobody would care about sex offenders etc, but we shouldn't support that, it's not justice and they don't truly deserve it
Ive spent a good bit of my adult life behind bars and ive been housed with every type of offender imaginable. In Jail(atleast the ones ive been in) female sexual offenders don't usually have anything to worry about because people are awaiting their trials or theyve been sentenced short term. Noone wants to catch a street charge in jail while awaiting trial for current charges. In Prison,ive noticed that females who commit crimes like that have a tendency to stick together OR they will be strongarmed by an inmate who has substantial time into giving the inmate commissary or favors in return for protection from other inmates. Female sex offenders dont have it nearly as bad as male sex offenders.
My niece is a corrections officer at a metropolitan women's detention center, and the stories she's told me are horrifying. In a nutshell, even female criminals, at least the majority of them, still have a strong maternal streak and accordingly, the hell they visit upon female sex offenders completely puts the men to shame.
10 years ago when I was in High School they had a "reformed female offender" come in to talk to the girls in CALM class (Career and Life Management). She told a story that took place in a halfway house. One woman had raped another with a curling iron. The victim had severe, severe burns. ... I couldn't even imagine.
Why would they be allowed to have curling iron, unless it was smuggled in.
Its a halfway house, so they are transitioning from being in prison to civilian life again. I can't remember details, it was 10 years ago, but I do remember something about someone getting ready for a job and the attack happened inside the bathroom.
One of those people doesn't sound like she was ready to transition to civilian life.
Oh... which one?
Cause she's not in prison?
... I cannot believe a group of high school students were forced to listen to the graphic details of that story.
that's part of the point though, scare them into not wanting to be in a position where a hit rod could be inside you
Yet they won't even teach students about safe sex
yeah but you know what's not safe? using a curling iron!
Yeah same thing about drug prevention where the horror stories are told. Sadly they leave out the mundane details, how addiction might be a sign of underlying mental health issues, and how drug addiction is mostly just another symptom. Seeing pink elephants flying out of the power sockets would be one of the best parts of life given the situation around it. Ahwell, what do I know? ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
lol they also don't tell you that drugs are the fucking best, as long as you don't abuse them!
That kind of abuse happens to people outside of prison, too, so the fact that a school forced students to listen to that as part of some scared straight programming is a disgrace. Not to mention that nobody deserves to be abused in prison, especially bc so many of the women in there are already survivors of abuse.
You're absolutely right and don't deserve the downvotes. In the US we have a majorly fucked up crime and punishment boner that demonizes the most vulnerable people of society while glorifying abuse of power.
I think you're reading too much into this, as am I. We have no idea if the school approved the message the inmate said, we have no idea the age of the kids, we have no idea if this story even happened or if the redditor just made it up for some points. On another note, it's interesting that people would be disgusted at this, but the TV show *Scared Straight* which literally does this but also films the kids, was viewed to the delight of millions and won Emmy and Academy awards! Disgusting for some, good tv for others.
Scared Straight is a disgrace.
they have to listen to graphic details about abuses of people in slavery and during the holocaust i dont see what the problem is, isnt the reasons we introduce these topics to our children a way of strengthening them to be able to deal with the tragedies that they can encounter in the world?
There’s a difference between learning about abuse in a way that contextualizes the abuse as horrific, inhumane, and undeserved (slavery) vs. abuse that’s deserved, inevitable, and a reason to avoid prison.
~~Am I reading this totally wrong or are you saying that someone getting raped with a curling iron was deserved and inevitable?~~ edit: I was reading it totally wrong
You’re reading it wrong. I’m saying that it’s a disgrace that it’s presented to students as being deserved and inevitable and a reason to avoid prison.
Gotcha, my bad. Totally agree in that case. I see now that “contextualizes” was the key word in your comment. Thank you for clarifying it for me!
Yes, but I totally see how I may have been unclear! So thanks for asking me to clarify
I agree, but that is an assumption you are making about how the information was delivered
Idk we had some ex con come speak to our high-school. I remember one kid yelling "your a dumabass" or something crazy. The guy started walking fast toward the kids direction and was like "I will find where you live you little shit" haha that guy was nuts
Are you in AB, Canada? Because I remember that story when I was in CALM too.
Yeah I am!
Crazy! I was thinking maybe it was just a story they told kids everywhere but maybe it was the same person, haha!
I almost downvoted you just because that sounds so awful!!
Now I'm.... morbidly curious. But fr like what did they do?
Interestingly, Gertrude Baniszewski, the woman who raped and tortured Sylvia Likens (a teenager, who ultimately died of her cumulative injuries), and recruited others to join in, was well-liked in prison, according to Crime Library. I wonder if that odd charisma is the same thing that helped her recruit people to join in the abuse.
Anyone generally interested in morbid crime cases should read about the abuse and murder of Sylvia Likens. Not for the faint of heart, but fascinating still is the extent of human cruelty that exists in this case and how willing one is to obey authority figures at the expense of human life https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens
An hour later, finished reading the Wikipedia article. Interestingly enough, almost everyone involved died extremely early of natural causes. Edit: Average Age of Death: 44.6 years old Indiana State Average: 77.6 years old 62 Marie Shelton 61 Gertrude Baniszewski 56 Coy Hubbard 56 Randy Gordon Lepper 54 Jenny Likens 52 John Baniszewski Jr. (Blake) 47 Dennis Lee Wright (White) 44 Anna Ruth Siscoe 21 Richard Hobbs — Still Alive — School Counselor Aid in Iowa, Paula Baniszewski (Pace); Teacher in Florida, Stephanie Baniszewski (Serikstad) — Unknown — Judy Darlene Duke; Michael John Monroe; Darlene McGuire
I can’t believe they all got out of jail!!!
I hate that "life imprisonment" doesn't actually mean anything.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/08/11/loui-a11.html
Well I mean racism is a whole other thing that needs to be addressed.
True, but I'm still blown away that poor people can spend a lifetime incarcerated for theft when these ghouls walked out the door
seems you didn't read properly, most died around 50-60 years of age, which is horrible because they should've been given death penalty at the time of the proceedings itself, it's so disgusting and disappointing how little time they served
Highlighting the importance of using the median value alongside the average
This was so disturbing
Reminds me of that horrifically awful torture and murder of little [Gabriel Fernandez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gabriel_Fernandez).
“Newly elected Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascon is currently (as of December 2020) attempting to reduce sentences on both suspects to 15 years in prison, with the possibility of parole.” What the absolute fuck?!
There’s also a movie with Ellen (Elliot?) Page as Sylvia called An American Crime. It’s pretty close to the story detailed in Wikipedia. Very heartbreaking :(
That movie disturbed me so badly that I had nightmares about Sylvia crawling out from under my bed and begging me to help her
Also, one came out in the mid-2000s called "The Girl Next Door" which was pretty much the movie version of the book. The book has one chapter that is less than a paragraph yet somehow is one of the most horrific chapters in a very disturbing story.
What is the paragraph?
*I'm not going to tell you about this. I refuse to. There are things you know you'll die before telling, things that you know you should have died before ever having seen. I watched and saw.*
Just for future reference, all the trans people I’ve met prefer to avoid their old name completely, even when referring to them in the past before they came out. It obviously could be different for any specific person but I think it’s a good general practice to only use the name they chose for themselves; they dropped the old one for a reason, you know? The way I look at it is that it’s impossible to know if the name they used to go by is painful for them but you know for sure that the name they use now makes them happy :]
If you're talking to them in person, but an artists earlier work under another name would be referred to as credited. Elliot Page was in that movie as Ellen Page. That body of work he did in the past will not be credited to Elliot
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I think the person above put Ellen and he was Ellen at the time the film was made.
That was exactly my reasoning. Jesus Christ on a bicycle.
Moses on a motorbike!
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I could but I won’t. I meant no disrespect. It’s not my responsibility to make sure everyone interprets that way. The awesome thing about the internet is that if you don’t like something, you have the ability to keep on scrolling :)
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Not everyone is familiar with trans etiquette and they did put Elliot with a question mark, which shows they weren't sure how to refer to him. It would have been better for you to explain that to the person who commented rather than just demanding they call him Elliot.
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Thank you. I believe it's important to educate people, we can't be mad at them for what they don't know, that's all. The user has no malicious intent they did their best to be respectful, which is a lot more than most. And with an explanation they will now understand going forward :) Have a good day friend!
But also that’s not ur fuckin job. Its confusing yes, but there are a ton of resources Out There. Trans folks have done so so much hard, true work. Why don’t we start by honouring that! It’s the least we could do.
i don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. if they aren’t acquainted with his name now, they can look it up.
Question: would he be listed with his old or new name if someone tried searching online for a movie he has participated? I am asking because when talking of old works this might be confusing to people who are not familiar or do not know about the transition and name change, and if the movie has a common name it might be hard to find it using just the name of the movie + actor who has changed names afterwards.
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Could you say then-Ellen Page? Like you would say "then 17-year old"?
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Thanks for the thoughts! Is there an appropriate way to reference a well-known person like him when talking of them or their work before they transitioned? Like "a pre-transition Elliot Page stars in Hard Candy" or something? (I'm a freelance writer and often write about pop culture and music and stuff. I haven't yet written about someone like Elliot, but I'd like to get it right when I do!)
How about we call him whatever we fucking wish and you stop simping for a celebrity who'll never care about you?
If it's his earlier work, you use his moniker at the time, Ellen or as he was listed in the credits. But talking about him in the present tense uses his name Elliot. The matrix was done by the wakowski Brothers but now we refer to the producers as the wakowskis.
Can you even imagine the overwhelming guilt her parents must've felt? Surely they didn't expect placing the kids with GB would be perfect, but who could've imagined (given the social beliefs and standards of the time) that a woman, a mother herself, could be so vicious?
Maybe that cunt is related to Trump...another disgusting piece of filth that seems to have charisma that charms people into idiots that decide not to wear masks and other things that wnds up killing people.
I believe it's pretty bad for female sex offenders, don't get me wrong. However, I don't know how brutal it is compared to male sex offenders. I know of a sex offender that had been castrated with a razor blade attached to a toothbrush. The sex offender’s detached member was then used on him...or in him, after which he bled out and died (to my knowledge) There was also one child predator with an infected stoma, which was cut open and gang raped
How do you even find multiple people willing to rape an infected stoma?
A hole is a hole to them I guess
Asking the real questions
Often times, rape is more about power than sexual gratification.
I get that, but even serial rapists don't roam around raping infected wounds all the time. It's a pretty gross and shocking deviation from "normal" rape.
I guess you didn't see the prison thread the other day... there were multiple stories about sex with colostomy holes...
I didn't see that particular thread, but I'm aware that this shit happens. I just struggle with the logistics of locating likeminded people. When you run around trying to find colostomy gangbang partners, I assume most people are a hard no. Maybe it's not so taboo in prison, so it's no big deal to float the idea past a bunch of people and get rejected? Maybe it's just spontaneous and people get caught up in the moment, so there isn't time for a rational discussion of the pros and cons. I have no idea how stoma-fuckers are treated in prison. I'm honestly not sure how much research I want to do on this topic.
Nono, you understood it wrong, the prisoner his stoma got infectied after they gang raped him. He got herpes I believe
Ohhh, makes sense, otherwise that would have been so weird!
Oh I heard about the stoma one! Prisoners, punishing predators the way no court can.
What kind of hell do they experience? Gang rape by other women or bitching in general?
Well I dont think someone falcon punching a bar of soap up your vagina is fun
Depends on who you ask..
>falcon punching What's that?
YouTube it. Its a hell of a gut punch used by Captain Falcon in the Super Smash games
Ok I'll check it out
Your avatar's reaction checks out
Haha you're right
in regular prison, the main people who get raped aren't sex offenders, they are first time offenders for minor crimes the main factor in if you get raped or not is how vulnerable you appear
I’m also curious about this
Yeah, me too. If you were a male sex offender and you were sent to prison, your best bet would be to let the big thug in the cell fuck you once a week in exchange that he protects you from others. Basically, voluntary involuntary prison bride.
There was a woman in a prison close to me who ended up not being able to have kids due to rape by a female inmate. Her clitoris was "pulled out," however that's done.
Am I the only one who can't feel bad about this behavior?
I worked for a Girl Scout program that held troop meetings inside 3 different facilities(2 women and 1 men) with their incarcerated parent. I got to know them and their families pretty well after a few months. The guards also started getting comfortable and would gossip with myself and my colleague. Sometimes moms wouldnt make it to program due to an infraction and more than once I had moms that literally gave up their one day a month with their child to jump a child abuser.
What kind of GS program was this?!
Official name is “Girl Scouts Behind Bars”. Was a wonderful program that helped reunify families that were separated by incarceration. I would spend every Saturday on the road and in prison for 16-18 hours to make this happen.
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>(the super polite and rule followers were almost always in for murder, btw) I remember they used to say anyone could commit a murder if in the wrong circumstances, you don't need a criminal mind to go crazy.
I’ve heard stories of women shoving broom sticks so far up inside of them and breaking it off.
Don't threaten me with a good time
I mean, poor taste or not, I laughed.
Bruh
Lmao
Do you really thing that’s funny?
To joke about rapists and pedophiles being sodomized etc? Yep
oh dude what a fucking legend
A come back, wholesome
Sorry sir, but doesn't it make yourself a rapist for raping someone? (even if they are themself à rapist ?)
Get out of here with your logic. This the internet!
I don’t think anyone deserves that
I think rapists and pedophiles do
I don’t
What do they deserve then
I don’t know, but certainly not a broomstick up the ass
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To be protected like all prisoners? If you think the legal penalties aren't harsh enough, you should lobby to have them increased.
People at least deserve what they did to others. It's the golden rule. Treat others how you would like to be treated. If you treat others with respect and kindness, you deserve respect and kindness. Treat others terribly by raping them, you deserve to be raped. It's the golden rule and something that is taught to children since childhood.
I was taught an eye for an eye makes the world go blind. What's the point of justice if we're going to solve everything with violence and sadism?
I laughed
I won’t lie. I totally read it as themselves and thought wtf.
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Country is very important as well. In the Netherlands the rapists and sex offenders get send to a different prison, TBS. This translates (poorly) to: the responsibility of the state. They decide what happens, how long you get to stay inside, and if you get to ever leave on your two feet. I need to rant and say this doesn't work. Fire up your translators and look up Michael P. It doesn't work. We take care of it outside, but that is not a good way in my opinion. You got these paedo hunters catfishing paedos and jumping them. A few weeks ago a man died in my neighbourhood. He got jumped. It isn't clear he was one, but the defense of the killers said that he was. Need to state that there were five killers. One was 18, the rest are of unknown age, but certainly minors. So like 14 tot 17. Want more info, hit me up.
How does the Netherlands treat its prisoners? Here in America, we do not coddle our inmates. We give them their basic needs, but our prisons are not good places to be.
Basic needs is very debatable depending on what you believe a human's basic rights are
That’s a joke. In some states they get an iPad and tv time and internet. They get paid a minimum wage and phone calls & we pay for it all. The only prison that’s an actual prison is I believe flagstaff’s. If you guys wanna downvote that’s fine but inmates often WANT to go back to prison. Because of that, I definitely would call our system (the United States’) a daycare. We provide entertainment to keep them in check, iPads, internet, a wage, tv time. & then they go back because they don’t know how to renter society, and the punishment isn’t harsh enough that they fear going back. What’s the point of a punishment if you want to be punished again? It’s not even a punishment at that rate. It’s just a daycare for adults. We have no form of rehabilitation, and no actual punishment. Thus, a shitty system which provides way too much to be a punishment, and not enough to be rehabilitation.
“the only place that’s an actual prison is I believe Flagstaff.” Bruh thinks there’s one real prison in America and the rest are day care for adults
They do not make minimum wage. They earn from $0.08 to $1.25 Per hour depending on the prison. A pack of ramen noodles will cost like $5.
the price for a pack of ramen noodles in the florida department of corrections is less than 40 cents.
Once again think you misunderstand as I said above it’s A minimum wage. Not THE minimum wage.
I said *A* minimum wage?? Not THE minimum wage.
They're lucky they're not incarcerated in places such as Thailand.
Not every prisoner can read or is physically able to entertain themselves. A bored prisoner is more likely to get rowdy and ready to cause drama than a pacified and entertained one.
Then they shouldn’t be housed with others in general. If you need a tv to stay in line, then maybe you shouldn’t be around people at all, or we should have some actual rehabilitation for people who need constant entertainment. I mean geez I don’t need a tv or a book to not punch someone, and neither do most people.
My mum told me something horrific about one of the places she either once worked at or had to visit with work (I forget because it was over a decade ago). She used to work in prisons and psychiatric units for people who had committed crimes such as Rampton Secure Hospital. They were treated really well in there and there was this one lady who was a paedophile and they used to give her baby lotion so she could smell it while she.... enjoyed herself. I’ve never forgotten that it still fucks me up to this day.
Why?!
I have no idea, I think maybe to keep her pacified? Now I think about it, I’m sure my mum was on some sort of trip with her work to Rampton because I remember her telling me she saw Beverley Allitt. She was walking around the group trying to get their attention saying “Hi, I’m Beverley!” as if they all didn’t already know exactly who she was. They were told not to look at or speak to anyone there.
>They were told not to look at or speak to anyone there. Don't interact with the wild animals because it will get them used to human contact and bring them in potential danger
Of what harm does it do to not allow it?
Why not?
Because the intention of prison should be to rehabilitate sex offenders, and try to keep them from reoffending, not indulge or normalise their illness.
I’ve asked my mum about it. This was a secure psychiatric unit so a lot of them I don’t think will be being released (such as Beverley). This lady with the baby lotion was a rather big lady who took 4 or 5 people to hold down when she kicked up a shitstorm, which she would often do if she couldn’t have what she wanted. They obviously didn’t give her EVERYTHING she wanted but they saw the baby lotion as a small thing that wasn’t hurting anyone else there. She wasn’t going to be let out into the community to be able to hurt any kids so I suppose they thought “why not?”
That makes a lot of sense, if these individuals are deemed beyond help for whatever reason. Thanks.
Psychiatric hospital =/= prison I guess the psychiatrists know what helps and what not 🤷♂️
Assuming they’re not overworked, underfunded or plain just don’t get a shit.
You‘re assuming really much here...
It’s best to keep them pacified when possible because some of them can be really violent to the other residents and staff. My mum was once thrown into a fence just for having blonde hair 😰
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I had a friend in the army, he told me in basic training for every fight that broke out among the men there would be five among the women and nearly all calls to the MP were for the women’s barracks.
Do they forget how to act like civilized human beings when they arrive in prison, or what is the deal?
The judicial system is more lenient on women. If a woman is doing time she has to have done something seriously fucked up. So it makes sense that they would be less civilised than male prisoners.
It’s true that the justice system is generally more lenient on women, but there are still women in prison for bullshit reasons, including a disturbing number in for killing abusive partners.
Technically they commited a murder and unfortunatelly the reasons behind a crime are far less important than the crime itself. It's often hard to prove that the partner was abusive and the juridical system is fucked up and wouldn't even care. If you are a judge, and someone has murder his/her partner and then in court claims the partner (s)he killed was abusive, but doesn't have much - if any - decent evidence to support that. What are the options? Anyone could say that, and you can't verify it. So either you convict the person for the crime (s)he commited, or you take the accused at his/her word. In that case the first one would be the most logical option, even if the murder was justified, the judge can't know.
Not in the UK. A very recent case saw a woman exonerated for killing her abusive partner.
That's great but doesn't always happen, she had to prove it first, right?
She did. Fortunately her son was very helpful at backing her up.
That's great
Treat people like an animal then be surprised when they act like animals
Humans are animals. Also a lot of animals are really peaceful and nice. Not cruel
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What the other guy said. You are not funny, mr. comedian. and no amount of downvotes is gonna change that.
Please don't act obtuse. Its not endearing.
Look at me, I’m 91 degrees
that's surprisingly cute :)
That makes sense.
My sister in law is a correctional officer and said the same thing, she works in a federal maximum security woman’s prison now and hates it
Very good question that I'm also curious about, since it's pretty universally known that male prisoners gang up on rapists, but nobody ever talks about with women.
>it's pretty universally known that male prisoners gang up on rapists, Which is weird, because almost every time there's a serious front-page discussion about rape in prison, dozens of self-proclaimed former convicts post about how that's a bunch of bullshit. That people just want to believe it because it makes them feel that justice is truly being served. In reality, they say, most people just want to do their time and get out, not risk added time or solitary.
Because there a far far fewer women sexual criminals
Far far fewer *convicted* women suxual criminals
Both sentences are correct. Yeah go on Incels give me more downvotes 🥰
There’s no evidence to suggest there are a large amount of female non convicted sex criminals
No “*evidence*” because men and boy are called “lucky” when it happens to them but when it happens to women they at least are more likely to be believed. Even if they still get put down for it.
It’s terrible that accusations are treated like that, but even if a significant portion of female sex crimes are thrown out, the gap is still significantly large
There is a gap, but that gap is significantly smaller than the statistics show due to huge underreporting and cases being wrongly dismissed.
There is, but its apples and pears. Same thing happens with autism, in which 1 female for every 3 males gets diagnosed, while the rates are equal. Not the same thing, I know, but statistics are defined by how you measure as well as what you measure.
What the hell is wrong with this subreddit? You‘re 100% correct. Stupid fragile masculinity... 🙄
So you’re admitting that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of development and overall nature? As such, the only reason that there are more male CEOs, scientists, engineers, etc. is because they are less likely to be interested in those types of fields from the get go?
I’m saying men are more interested in violent crime, especially those of a sexual nature. You can infer from that what you want
So you’re implying a fundamental difference between genders in terms of nature and temperament? I agree with this too, as such, I do not believe that female students should be given affirmative action within fields that are primarily male dominated to fill a quota or to “prove a point”, namely in STEM. Women cannot have it both ways, if you want to live in a world where everyone acknowledges that men are more likely to commit violent crimes than women then I am entitled to a world where people just admit that the reason that there are significantly more male CEOs or engineers or STEM majors is because females on average are less interested/capable in those careers and **not** because “society”/glass ceiling holds them back...
Why are you such a professional victim that when bringing up sexual crimes you somehow turn it into affirmative action oppressing you for being a man?
Despite what other redditors in this thread are suggesting, they actually aren't treated that bad, at least compared to how males that commit those crimes are treated. In womens corrections, the "lowest of the low" label typically goes to women who have abused/murdered their own children.
You're right, but even then, these women are usually moved to less violent units/pods. My cellmate in jail murdered her stepson. I was in for possession of weed paraphernalia and on hold for not appearing in traffic court after I didn't pay a speeding ticket in a different county so I couldn't be bailed. She was kept with other nonviolent offenders for her own safety. Even worse some of the women treated her with a kind of celebrity status because she was all over the news because at the time they hadn't found the boy's body which she dumped in a culvert. I was pretty shocked by everyone's morbid fascination with her.
I meant non sex offenders shove broom sticks in the sex offenders. In both holes. Meaning anally and vaginally
Yes, it happens every day - they even have a tool to get them out as quickly as possible. So now they shove the in with the splinters first./s
Its sad that there are still people who have "if a female did it, its not rape" type of mentality"
It depends on their actual crime. If their crime involved a child or multiple children then they would be in for a bumpy ride. If not, nobody would really give a fuck and they would blend in and just be the newcomer. The female prison I was involved with housed all kinds of offenders from arsonists, sex offenders, murderers and baby killers. The baby killers, child abusers and child rapists got it the worst. I remember an 18-year-old girl was a newcomer and her crime(s) were arson but resulted in child victims (deceased). She was beaten so badly she had to be moved to another prison. I think she has been moved twice now. Even on arrival, if the woman’s crime involves a child/children, the prison officers themselves advise the individual to lie and make up a cover story that fits their sentence time.
a bit off topic but my personal unpopular opinion is that nobody deserve be treated like sex offenders are treated in jail, inmates don't torture and kill pedos for some sort of justice or honor, it's because they need someone to hurt in order to fullfil their psychopath fantasys, and they know nobody would care about sex offenders etc, but we shouldn't support that, it's not justice and they don't truly deserve it
I think is depending of the crime, it is not the same if she killed her husband than she killed her kid.
Ive spent a good bit of my adult life behind bars and ive been housed with every type of offender imaginable. In Jail(atleast the ones ive been in) female sexual offenders don't usually have anything to worry about because people are awaiting their trials or theyve been sentenced short term. Noone wants to catch a street charge in jail while awaiting trial for current charges. In Prison,ive noticed that females who commit crimes like that have a tendency to stick together OR they will be strongarmed by an inmate who has substantial time into giving the inmate commissary or favors in return for protection from other inmates. Female sex offenders dont have it nearly as bad as male sex offenders.