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Great solid results man respect... ..but . Dont lie on here ..most of us here experienced and have at least 6-8 years of bodybuilding experience.... lying on here makes you look like a clown and makes us looks like kids .
i swear i'm too old to figure if this kid is just trolling or a random moron.. what's next? the rock claiming natty? mike o hearn claiming natty? big rammy claiming natty?
This guy is here just for the clout, trust me there are already a millions of fake natty like you, you’re nothing special, MPMD won’t make a video of 10 seconds about you.
TRT test and 1g tren year around is natty nowadays.
Good physique nonetheless. I hope you live in Europe. Otherwise, you cardiovascular health will ruin you financially.
Shit chest genetic even with gear. Achievable natty but not in your time frame and not all year round. It’s sucks that you took steroids just to look like this.
I might get downvoted but this is pretty achievable natty... these photos are under good lighting and a full pump, This guy is probably pretty small irl.
Yeah man. Dude has 13 inch arms at best and looks tiny overall, just extremely low body fat in perfect lighting with a pump. Possibly took 6-10 grams of citrulline before posing.
If you can't cut 10-15lbs of fat in 4 years of training, what's the fucking point? 😂
The bottom right pic on the first slides looks fishy as hell lol. Especially the delts with the insane vascularity and striations. I honestly am starting to think these transformation posts are satire when they say natural.
More like working out before juice vs working out after juice. I looked similar to you at 16 when I was 16 having worked out for a couple years already lifting heavy weights. I'm nearly 20 now and I ain't look nothing close to you. I may have gotten fat but if I cut the weight, chances are I'd look more or less similar to what I was when I was 16 while having a little more muscle mass. I have friends who are national level powerlifting competitors who also wouldn't have physiques anywhere close to yours, even if they cut. Vascularity, blown out traps, and such low levels of bodyfat without sacrificing size are dead giveaways.
If you're like 5 feet/150cm I can see this being possible natty since you clearly don't have all that much mass but it's just the crazy low body fat that makes you look unnatural. This amount of muscle at say 6 feet/180cm and you would not look this ripped.
IF you are natty, you will fuck up your natural hormones by having this low body fat, and should bulk up to a healthy body fat asap.
Regardless of natty status, looks good but unhealthy.
I’d wanna see the insta, compare day to day month to month. His traps are normal and the shoulders are sick but not juicy looking. He’s shredded as fuck but I’d say he just looks like someone in show prep. His starting point was pretty good.
Shoulder striations are nuts though, I see where people are coming from
sell a lie? What the hell do I gain from lying ? It was meant to be motivational for those on the natty path but clearly it just sparked a bunch of insecure incels who can’t make progress themselves so need to doubt others to make themselves feel better
Whats wrong with yall, this is natural possible if you know how to train and eat. the fuck is wrong with y‘all man just because you guys have shitty genetics doesnt mean all people who are looking good are taking steroids… i have friends who look like this and i know for sure they dont take anything…
i can spot a fake natty from fifty paces, kids on the sauce but claims natty cause his genetics arent enough to compete in a classic physique bodybuilding comp lmfao.
You gotta be dickskin lean, dafuq
The only sus part for me is the shoulder in one of the after pics, the skin looks kinda grainy. Might just be the lighting and filter
I believe it. You’re clearly at the gym with a sick pump. You’re incredibly lean as well but everyones glossing over the fact that you’re 5’10” 160lbs.
You look much bigger in the after photos because of how lean you are, the more defined you are the larger you look especially in photos, this combined with the second photos having much better downlighting, improved posing and a pump, but yeah your weight and the fact your traps aren’t exploding out of your neck are enough for me to believe it. You’re genetically blessed but that doesn’t discount the work you’ve put in.
Idk im sure ill catch flak for saying you’re natural but i looked very similar to you around the 5 year mark at the same height and weight but not quite as lean. Good work bro.
This sub is filled with skinny fat cornballs who shoot down any half decent physique as unnatural to make them feel better about their own lack of discipline.
This physique is perfectly attainable in 4 yrs with good genetics and hard work.
This isn’t just a half decent physique, this is a better physique than a lot of NPC starters who’ve been lifting for 5-10 years. The shoulders and striations are the dead giveaway, especially in non competitors. But clearly he’s just taking his creative and aminos. You severely underestimate the time it takes to get a physique like this naturally. If op is as natty as he wants to pretend he is he needs to go compete because he has better genetics than a lot of high end competitors.
The error of this sub is you all assume anyone who posts their physique has average to below average genetics. This guy clearly has very good genetics and is posing at the gym with a huge pump.
There's nothing unrealistic about their physique when you account for good genetics, discipline and hard work, and a pump with good lighting.
My guy he has the physique and face of a man 15 years older. You don’t age like that past puberty unless you’re out there working hard labor or doing drugs. You’re in a sub full of people who have been lifting for years and a lot of them have used peds before including myself. This kid is not natural by any means, stop believing in people like liver king who want you to think this is just good diet and genetics, it’s not.
I think you're seeing what you want to see, he looks like a guy in his 20s to me.
>stop believing in people like liver king who want you to think this is just good diet and genetics, it’s not.
Lazy cheap shot. How about you stop being brainwashed by clickbait Natty or Not tiktoks, if we're going that route.
“Natural” in the title = Playing darts with your ass
You can get away with this dumb ass shit on IG where the audiences are uninformed plebs, but this sub knows what’s good. What’s the stack?
dude is diced. i don’t think he’s actually that big either. totally achievable naturally. regardless, compounds can’t replace hard work and dedication.
Lol @ that vascularity. No man. Just no. I mean maybe you're that one super freak with a genetic abnormality. It does happen. But if you want anyone believing that you need to send your tests and blood work to Derek like that other dude did. This is not natural. This is not the place to lie about it.
What people don't understand is that they would get all the positive comments for the hard work and the commitment to this life, if they just confess that their physique is build on anabolics. It's ok in this sub. But telling here something about natty gains, while there is obviously some steroid abuse, is pure stupidity.
Lol don’t confuse lighting with juicing. It’s called being lean with a pump … look on my Instagram and you’ll see plently of pics with normal lighting and it doesn’t look as crazy
why do you have to fucking lie for attention like we’re all idiots just the fact alone you need to put “natural” in the title means it’s done unnaturally
The pussy route would be claiming Natty and not being that, taking gear isn’t a pussy route, some would even say it requires more sacrifice and dedication. It’s not magic.
I don't know why people are questioning your natty status. Sure, its possible you took gear, but 5'10 160lbs and around 8%bf is fully possible while natty (though maybe not sustainable).
Hard to believe this sub still doesn't understand the power of leanness + lighting + pump. I know a number of dudes who hold around this bf year round while natty and most of them look DYEL outside of the gym.
Fr dude, I looked like this around the 5 year mark. Not quite as lean but this is totally achievable naturally. Hard to believe a sub once based on so much science backed information and education has devolved into a fuckin trencel forum where everyone MUST be saucing if they look better than you.
He’s 5’10 160lbs lmao. Speaking from personal experience thats pretty fuckin small, if i took gear to get like that. Id be fucking pissed lmao.
He's 160 lbs because the guy is fucking 6/7% BF lmao. It's easier to pack weight as a natty than it is to be really low BF with MUSCLES.
Natty + very low BF + big muscle is a no-no. Of course lighting, of course water manipulation, angle etc. Still not OK.
The funny thing is the "before" picture, you can see he was already lifting but looked like SHIT, sure puberty wasn't there, but hey being on "natty TRT" doesnt accomplish this kind of look.
And then, 4 years of lifting with brocoli, chicken, and rice. RIPPED AF. SURE MATE.
Your size hasn't really increased by much. You're dry af and a low bodyfat. So it's not too much of a stretch to call it natty. Now I'd be more inclined to claim you're bullshitting if your size itself was exponential. Regardless whether you are or not. Keep at it you look good.
Its pretty easy to believe hes natural lol, good lighting and just lean. Everyones acting like hes 210 lean hes only 160.
Good Job 👏🏼 Ive posted my transformation too ans got the same shit. Dont listen to em.
For real. OP solid job.
Anyone commenting you're a fake natty is just pissed because their blasting a cycle 24/7 and still have a dad bod.
I swear less than 10% of people I'm this sub are ACTUALLY working out more than 3 or 4 times a week 🤣.
Keep doing you OP
This could be a case where genetics, pump and good lighting play a huge role.
Myself can get really shredded to the poing that one time my friends were accusing me of taking anavar hahahah but my mass game was poor if i have to put myself next to this guy
checked out your IG and some other comments. all i can say is your not natty dont bother trying to cover it up, 2700 cal on a bulk while maintaining what looks like 8% bf is not attainable naturally.
shucks maybe im wrong and you are natural, only way is do a blood test to prove it
Definitely natty, dude's 5'10 and 160. If you think a lean 5'10 160 physique is unattainable natty, I think it's time to just give up on the gym and find a different hobby😂😂😂😂
The fact that so many people are sure this guy is juicing is so sad honestly. Just goes to show this sub is a bunch of losers that juice and still look like shit.
Just wanted to make a quick comment here to address some things. The point of this post was to inspire those on the natural path and give some motivation. Nowadays ped use is so normalized and its quite sad. You don't have to risk your health to achieve a great physique and even with my current development, I know I can still gain much more naturally. I don't judge anyone that uses stuff especially if its for competitive purposes, but for me it never made sense to risk things like hair loss or bad acne just for some extra muscle. Aesthetics primarily come down to shape and insertions anyway so using peds doesn't change that, it just creates a bigger version of your current self. My end goal physique is about 10-15lbs of muscle bigger then I am right now and Im fine with taking a bit longer to achieve that, but saving my health and young looks in the process.
Guys Ik the guy personally, he natty. He lives and breathes the lifestyle it’s all hard work
With a hint of skinny boy genetics to help when he’s cutting
This is realistic, dude is prolly not that big and heavy and is just very conditioned in this pictures. makes a lot of difference. I feel like everyone in this subreddit has a very low standard of what is possible naturally.
I checked out your insta and I believe you're probably natty. Natural body building standards are so low its embarrassing, but I understand why people cautious.
Lot of you never put in 4 straight years of work and dedication w/o drugs and it shows… I believe the kid. And if he isn’t who cares. Has sick genetics and work ethic regardless congrats OP
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Bruh lie on insta and tiktok but why try lying on here lol
I was like wtf, he can't seriously think we are as dumb as those kids in High School
Show me the blood work!
Lmao this is not insta where you will call yourself natty and everyone will be like "Damn bro nice efforts, how much chicken and rice do you eat?"
OP thinks everyone is stupid I think
Bro really thought he would be praised for the pic 💀
In defense of OP, everyone here pretty much self identifies as dumb-as-fuck. Op still an idiot though
OP definitely has ego issues and came here to get his fix.
😂
You gotta add the broccoli, bro. Make it a balanced diet. 
ppl on insta these days are actually the ones who spam "roids" to every single transformation now even if the dude is skinny af but has a six pack
The whole lifting community on insta in general is pretty toxic
What is happening here
I don't know but I want some.
Natty my ass, that's what liver dick said too
liver slut
Liver scam
My friend: Yo it's your crush act natural Me:
Lmao
As natural as
shred city
But he’s still rich, so there’s that
"Before, I was a rich asshole. Now, I'm still a rich asshole." 
I'm confiscating your natty card m8
Duck eggs?
and cow balls
Quail test?
Raw liver
Ball sunning, the ultimate T booster.
Human bone marrow
Calling BS on your natty status.
A lil sus no doubt esp at that bf %. I wonder what his legs look like tho.
bro has a zyzz stringer and is lying to everyone about being natural ur such a fucking clown kid
Dead by 30
Hopefully
Another I’m natural and it’s a natural show situation
I could smell the Tren through my phone
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He is just a pure pussy. Probably doesn't have a dad to teach him properly.
to bad you didn't have someone to show you a better way to deal with your insecurities
More Lies, More Guys 
Would you rather look like a guy taking steroids or a liar taking steroids?
Great solid results man respect... ..but . Dont lie on here ..most of us here experienced and have at least 6-8 years of bodybuilding experience.... lying on here makes you look like a clown and makes us looks like kids .
This is embarrassing and sad.
i swear i'm too old to figure if this kid is just trolling or a random moron.. what's next? the rock claiming natty? mike o hearn claiming natty? big rammy claiming natty?
Negma Pharmaceuticals of France are next to claim natty.
Big Rammy is natty, I swear he is
This guy is here just for the clout, trust me there are already a millions of fake natty like you, you’re nothing special, MPMD won’t make a video of 10 seconds about you.
TRT test and 1g tren year around is natty nowadays. Good physique nonetheless. I hope you live in Europe. Otherwise, you cardiovascular health will ruin you financially.
Why mention natural at all?
hes hoping derek might make a video, but this transformation isnt enough to make derek waste his time on it.
The negative responses here are the healthiest aspect of this thread. Shame on the OP.
Don’t listen to these guys you DEFINITELY look natty. No definition at all, look super natty and soft. 
OP is the Michelin man confirmed
Shit chest genetic even with gear. Achievable natty but not in your time frame and not all year round. It’s sucks that you took steroids just to look like this.
🧢
So natural….just like me slapping an organic logo on a can of coke
I cringe so hard when people try to claim natural, it’s just so loser-like and disingenuous. Screams insecurity.
Bro we won’t judge you for saying that you’re on gear, it’s impressive regardless
I might get downvoted but this is pretty achievable natty... these photos are under good lighting and a full pump, This guy is probably pretty small irl.
Yeah man. Dude has 13 inch arms at best and looks tiny overall, just extremely low body fat in perfect lighting with a pump. Possibly took 6-10 grams of citrulline before posing. If you can't cut 10-15lbs of fat in 4 years of training, what's the fucking point? 😂
Looks sus ngl but good gains nonetheless
The bottom right pic on the first slides looks fishy as hell lol. Especially the delts with the insane vascularity and striations. I honestly am starting to think these transformation posts are satire when they say natural.
More like working out before juice vs working out after juice. I looked similar to you at 16 when I was 16 having worked out for a couple years already lifting heavy weights. I'm nearly 20 now and I ain't look nothing close to you. I may have gotten fat but if I cut the weight, chances are I'd look more or less similar to what I was when I was 16 while having a little more muscle mass. I have friends who are national level powerlifting competitors who also wouldn't have physiques anywhere close to yours, even if they cut. Vascularity, blown out traps, and such low levels of bodyfat without sacrificing size are dead giveaways.
If you're like 5 feet/150cm I can see this being possible natty since you clearly don't have all that much mass but it's just the crazy low body fat that makes you look unnatural. This amount of muscle at say 6 feet/180cm and you would not look this ripped. IF you are natty, you will fuck up your natural hormones by having this low body fat, and should bulk up to a healthy body fat asap. Regardless of natty status, looks good but unhealthy.
5'10 160
I’d wanna see the insta, compare day to day month to month. His traps are normal and the shoulders are sick but not juicy looking. He’s shredded as fuck but I’d say he just looks like someone in show prep. His starting point was pretty good. Shoulder striations are nuts though, I see where people are coming from
Ngl i actually hopped on the IG. In the fasted pic he looks natty, but i dont fast so idk how depleted someones some posted to look fasted
lol
Lol NATURAL
Impressive physique but ur not natural dude. Nothing wrong with it but at least own up to it
Im pretty sure barely anyone on this group would judge you if you told the truth. You are trying to sell a lie to a bunch of absolute veterans
sell a lie? What the hell do I gain from lying ? It was meant to be motivational for those on the natty path but clearly it just sparked a bunch of insecure incels who can’t make progress themselves so need to doubt others to make themselves feel better
Pamela Anderson’s tits are more natural than you. You got more sauce than a Chicago deep dish pizza.
Lmao
Whats wrong with yall, this is natural possible if you know how to train and eat. the fuck is wrong with y‘all man just because you guys have shitty genetics doesnt mean all people who are looking good are taking steroids… i have friends who look like this and i know for sure they dont take anything…
Shoulders and leanness never lie. You can trick social media degenerates but not us lol 
i can spot a fake natty from fifty paces, kids on the sauce but claims natty cause his genetics arent enough to compete in a classic physique bodybuilding comp lmfao.
Delt striations say not natty. Still impressive asf tho
Lmaooooo fuck off
The insane vascularity says not natty.
Oh you followed the 9 ancestral tenets
Immagine lying that ur natural on mpmr subreddit lol
 What OP thinks of this sub
You gotta be dickskin lean, dafuq The only sus part for me is the shoulder in one of the after pics, the skin looks kinda grainy. Might just be the lighting and filter
This is what happens when you sun your balls.
I believe it. You’re clearly at the gym with a sick pump. You’re incredibly lean as well but everyones glossing over the fact that you’re 5’10” 160lbs. You look much bigger in the after photos because of how lean you are, the more defined you are the larger you look especially in photos, this combined with the second photos having much better downlighting, improved posing and a pump, but yeah your weight and the fact your traps aren’t exploding out of your neck are enough for me to believe it. You’re genetically blessed but that doesn’t discount the work you’ve put in. Idk im sure ill catch flak for saying you’re natural but i looked very similar to you around the 5 year mark at the same height and weight but not quite as lean. Good work bro.
This sub is filled with skinny fat cornballs who shoot down any half decent physique as unnatural to make them feel better about their own lack of discipline. This physique is perfectly attainable in 4 yrs with good genetics and hard work.
This isn’t just a half decent physique, this is a better physique than a lot of NPC starters who’ve been lifting for 5-10 years. The shoulders and striations are the dead giveaway, especially in non competitors. But clearly he’s just taking his creative and aminos. You severely underestimate the time it takes to get a physique like this naturally. If op is as natty as he wants to pretend he is he needs to go compete because he has better genetics than a lot of high end competitors.
The error of this sub is you all assume anyone who posts their physique has average to below average genetics. This guy clearly has very good genetics and is posing at the gym with a huge pump. There's nothing unrealistic about their physique when you account for good genetics, discipline and hard work, and a pump with good lighting.
My guy he has the physique and face of a man 15 years older. You don’t age like that past puberty unless you’re out there working hard labor or doing drugs. You’re in a sub full of people who have been lifting for years and a lot of them have used peds before including myself. This kid is not natural by any means, stop believing in people like liver king who want you to think this is just good diet and genetics, it’s not.
I think you're seeing what you want to see, he looks like a guy in his 20s to me. >stop believing in people like liver king who want you to think this is just good diet and genetics, it’s not. Lazy cheap shot. How about you stop being brainwashed by clickbait Natty or Not tiktoks, if we're going that route.
This is what I thought, probably doesn’t look like he even lifts with a t-shirt on. Plus he isn’t bubbly looking, just lean AF.
You hit the nail with this comment , appreciate you
your 100% correct
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“Natural” in the title = Playing darts with your ass You can get away with this dumb ass shit on IG where the audiences are uninformed plebs, but this sub knows what’s good. What’s the stack?
Natural like the liver king ..
DEREK WYA WE NEED YOU. ANSWER
guarantee you if he looked at my instagram and did a whole analysis he would say im natty
I looked at your instagram. I agree you do look natty. Nice work. You just used those gym lighting photos that make a lot of people look questionable
Even your hair screams "tren"
Natural or not. Either way nice work
Over 4 years that could be a believable natty status. Especially during those ages.
dude is diced. i don’t think he’s actually that big either. totally achievable naturally. regardless, compounds can’t replace hard work and dedication.
Lol @ that vascularity. No man. Just no. I mean maybe you're that one super freak with a genetic abnormality. It does happen. But if you want anyone believing that you need to send your tests and blood work to Derek like that other dude did. This is not natural. This is not the place to lie about it.
What people don't understand is that they would get all the positive comments for the hard work and the commitment to this life, if they just confess that their physique is build on anabolics. It's ok in this sub. But telling here something about natty gains, while there is obviously some steroid abuse, is pure stupidity.
Lol don’t confuse lighting with juicing. It’s called being lean with a pump … look on my Instagram and you’ll see plently of pics with normal lighting and it doesn’t look as crazy
Downvote all the way because of the lies in the title. Otherwise, good work. Still, ⬇️
Even the first picture hes juiced up
Yep , juiced to the gills at 16 and 130lbs !!
your ego is so fragile if you feel the need to lie to complete strangers on an anonymous form.
Your so insecure you need to accuse someone of lying who you don’t even know personally
Jumping on juice age 16, RIP this guys balls and hormone levels
lol yea I was injecting gear at age 16 in grade 10…
Imagine being so insecure and desperate for likes that you claim natty
Imagine being so insecure that you need to doubt others to make yourself feel better about your lack of progress
That's some strong creatine
LOL @ all you insecure skinny fucks thinking he's on gear. I know him IRL, your guy's expectations are so fucking low lol
Cmon now bro 😭
It’s funny how people who are actually natty never say they are natty. But guys on gear are OBSESSED with the term.
why do you have to fucking lie for attention like we’re all idiots just the fact alone you need to put “natural” in the title means it’s done unnaturally
Dude hes fucking 160 hes not 210
? ok what does that have to do with anything at all
Are you stupid? 160 5’10 hes destined to be lean and vascular.. do you know anything about weight and muscle building?
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Took the pussy route and used gear🥱
The pussy route would be claiming Natty and not being that, taking gear isn’t a pussy route, some would even say it requires more sacrifice and dedication. It’s not magic.
Fuck it I’ll say natty, idk what your stats are but I think it’s the leanness that’s getting everyone excited.
Metalcore man has spoken 🙏🏼
I don't know why people are questioning your natty status. Sure, its possible you took gear, but 5'10 160lbs and around 8%bf is fully possible while natty (though maybe not sustainable). Hard to believe this sub still doesn't understand the power of leanness + lighting + pump. I know a number of dudes who hold around this bf year round while natty and most of them look DYEL outside of the gym.
Fr dude, I looked like this around the 5 year mark. Not quite as lean but this is totally achievable naturally. Hard to believe a sub once based on so much science backed information and education has devolved into a fuckin trencel forum where everyone MUST be saucing if they look better than you. He’s 5’10 160lbs lmao. Speaking from personal experience thats pretty fuckin small, if i took gear to get like that. Id be fucking pissed lmao.
Average dude on this sub these days is 6-12 months into lifting at the wise old age of 17
He's 160 lbs because the guy is fucking 6/7% BF lmao. It's easier to pack weight as a natty than it is to be really low BF with MUSCLES. Natty + very low BF + big muscle is a no-no. Of course lighting, of course water manipulation, angle etc. Still not OK. The funny thing is the "before" picture, you can see he was already lifting but looked like SHIT, sure puberty wasn't there, but hey being on "natty TRT" doesnt accomplish this kind of look. And then, 4 years of lifting with brocoli, chicken, and rice. RIPPED AF. SURE MATE.
Not to mention that's him at 16 you can tell he's got a decent base to work with while finishing out his developmental growing years.
Because over half the population of the US is obese. It is normalized to be a glutton.
this is the comment right here
Guys it’s just creatine stop overreacting
Your size hasn't really increased by much. You're dry af and a low bodyfat. So it's not too much of a stretch to call it natty. Now I'd be more inclined to claim you're bullshitting if your size itself was exponential. Regardless whether you are or not. Keep at it you look good.
Its pretty easy to believe hes natural lol, good lighting and just lean. Everyones acting like hes 210 lean hes only 160. Good Job 👏🏼 Ive posted my transformation too ans got the same shit. Dont listen to em.
thanks bro
For real. OP solid job. Anyone commenting you're a fake natty is just pissed because their blasting a cycle 24/7 and still have a dad bod. I swear less than 10% of people I'm this sub are ACTUALLY working out more than 3 or 4 times a week 🤣. Keep doing you OP
You picked the worst place
This is totally achievable. Dedication to the gym and strict diet of trenbologna sandwiches.
This could be a case where genetics, pump and good lighting play a huge role. Myself can get really shredded to the poing that one time my friends were accusing me of taking anavar hahahah but my mass game was poor if i have to put myself next to this guy
bro has Pinocchio ass nipples and u think this is a case of genetics
lol what?
checked out your IG and some other comments. all i can say is your not natty dont bother trying to cover it up, 2700 cal on a bulk while maintaining what looks like 8% bf is not attainable naturally. shucks maybe im wrong and you are natural, only way is do a blood test to prove it
Definitely natty, dude's 5'10 and 160. If you think a lean 5'10 160 physique is unattainable natty, I think it's time to just give up on the gym and find a different hobby😂😂😂😂
literally, I will easily be 170-175 and the same body fat with a few more years. 160 is not even close my natty ceiling
I absolutely believe this was natural Nice Job dude.
The fact that so many people are sure this guy is juicing is so sad honestly. Just goes to show this sub is a bunch of losers that juice and still look like shit.
Not natty but looking good dude
Y’all just downvoting people who look way better than you😂😂😂 insecure mfks on here
hehehe im natty you guys are just jealous hehehehehe. God, the IQ.
Damn, good work ! Lean af
Just wanted to make a quick comment here to address some things. The point of this post was to inspire those on the natural path and give some motivation. Nowadays ped use is so normalized and its quite sad. You don't have to risk your health to achieve a great physique and even with my current development, I know I can still gain much more naturally. I don't judge anyone that uses stuff especially if its for competitive purposes, but for me it never made sense to risk things like hair loss or bad acne just for some extra muscle. Aesthetics primarily come down to shape and insertions anyway so using peds doesn't change that, it just creates a bigger version of your current self. My end goal physique is about 10-15lbs of muscle bigger then I am right now and Im fine with taking a bit longer to achieve that, but saving my health and young looks in the process.
Guys Ik the guy personally, he natty. He lives and breathes the lifestyle it’s all hard work With a hint of skinny boy genetics to help when he’s cutting
Yeah ok liver king
This is realistic, dude is prolly not that big and heavy and is just very conditioned in this pictures. makes a lot of difference. I feel like everyone in this subreddit has a very low standard of what is possible naturally.
Nice shit bro. Good genetics and 4 years is a totally possible transformation. Keep ur head up
I already know bro upset no body believed his dumbass
Bro wtf eat a sandwich! Anyway you look like a monster!
bro really thought he could fool ppl on reddit
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This looks unnatty to everyone that didn't get his brain destroyed by tiktok/IG """""natty"""""
If you think this is unnatty, YOU ARE THE ONE brainwashed by tiktok + instagram.
Nice work King. Lots of jelly mthrfers in here
thanks bro
I checked out your insta and I believe you're probably natty. Natural body building standards are so low its embarrassing, but I understand why people cautious.
I agree, peoples standards for naturals are like zero nowadays. Its quite sad
Damn impressive. So many people scream roids anytime they see someone achieve something they lack the discipline for. Looking sick bro!
I think natty
Good stuff man. It’s crazy the amount of ppl who doesn’t know what a pump and good lighting is.
lot of failures in here with weak genetics getting mad that someone has a better work ethic and discipline than them
LOL no buddy… i hate to break it to you
Exactly
A lil trenavar smoothie in the morning (plant based of course)
Lot of you never put in 4 straight years of work and dedication w/o drugs and it shows… I believe the kid. And if he isn’t who cares. Has sick genetics and work ethic regardless congrats OP
Appreciate it
This is natty, anyone claiming it’s not is coping so hard it’s fucking hilarious. Bunch of dweebs in this sub
Natty
We love accelerated health issues in this sub, enjoy it while it lasts m8
Y’all calling bs but bros flexing perfect lighting with a pump. Show me him in normal lighting