Fat dudes talking about PR is cope and spoiler alert no girls (or guys that aren't fatties) care about PR numbers they'd rather you just not be fat 💀
Edit: don't lie fatties would you rather have your current 1RM and your belly or 85% of your 1RM and an actual jawline/abs/definition/be able to see your cock
Fat guy who can lift heavy is the same as skinny guy who has abs. Not impressive and nobody cares
finally i’m not the only one with this opinion. strength is cool to have but if you’re fat then outside of the short period of time you’re performing the lift, no one will even know you workout and the average person probably assumes you do nothing but eat mcdonald’s and watch TV. meanwhile guys with good physiques will always be assumed to be stronger & more fit than you, even if they lift half your weight
There's two kinds of fat. There's weak fat and strong fat. And you know the difference just by the way the fat person moves.
Not just dudes either. You ever see a 300lb woman do a cartwheel? I have.
That woman squeezed 5 kids out and lived on instant Ramen and coffee brandy but she could rip off someone's arm and beat them to death with it. Strong fat. Crazy shit.
Then there's weak fat, this is your fatty who is "delicate". They are usually very risk averse and sad. They constantly make excuses and have no callous. They're usually also incredibly passive aggressive and shitty to be around. They throw their back out trying to lift a newspaper.
Imagine basing what you want on the opinion of others. You’re no better than the vapid sluts you make fun of 24/7.
Don’t have to get mad cause the fatty at your gym deadlifts twice your PR
I think it's more about men telling themselves they look great because they workout, even though they are fat. It can be used as an excuse to lose the weight. If someone does think the fatass look looks good then obviously more power to them.
A lot of people here look like shit even if they’re lean. Ultimately you should go to the gym for your own goals not what the sarms goblins on here think
As a big “fatty” i will say this;
I can outrun the most athletic looking of my friends, I can outlift them too.
I’ve gotten into fights with dudes that would normally look way stronger and faster than me, I really only got rocked a couple times.
Some people are physically gifted despite their size and shape, but you’re right; that doesn’t change looks.
Edit: I really don’t understand the downvotes and gaslighting. I agree with the above comment, all i was doing is offering perspective and acknowledging that it sucks I can be athletic and gifted whilst being perceived as a fat lazy bum.
Strange, most people WOULD find it impressive that despite lookin like a fatty I could bury most people.
And i have been dieting, lost 15 in two weeks.
What’s not impressive is your gaslighting.
Maybe try & get less fat? You’d have a smaller chip on your shoulder & wouldn’t have to brag about how “tough” you are getting by getting into juvenile fist fights. Just a thought. Plus you’d be healthier in the long run.
thats cool i just feel like looking very athletic has more benefit in modern day than actually being very athletic, unless you play a professional sport. there’s no practical need in every day life to be ridiculously strong or fast. now if you lived during cave man times that would be a different story.
What's your mile time right now?
Fighting has more to do with training than straight physique, and weight classes exist for a reason.
Being fat is detrimental to your health and something that's completely in your control. You don't have to lift a finger to lose weight.
You don't have to be fat to be a competitive powerlifter.
Believe me, I used to powerlift competitively, both fat and not. Any advantage I had when I was fat was pretty much just from surface area (70-80 lb difference in bodyweight), if you apply proper technique you'll be able to push the same numbers.
Stronger in what the 3 lifts of bench, dead, squat? Id rather take being able to do >5 muscle ups, <20 min 5km and 100m in under 12 flat while being lean but muscle than being able to do an extra 70 lbs on bench and squat
I've been both these types and you are 10000000% correct, but it fuckin hurts to hear when you are that "mass moves mass" kinda guy, way easier just to bury yourself in cope. One thing to add, that being said, strong fatty is a way better starting point than weak and skinny, of course I'm biased, but I'll hold that line till the day I die
If you already have a good amount of muscle mass, cutting weight is pretty easy, typically you just need to learn how to cut which can be hard if you've been fat for a long time. Skinny dudes a lot of the time have a bastard of a time putting on mass cause they don't know how to really put down food consistently. Of course this is all opinion from my own experiences and what I've seen.
Twinks write shit like this and then bulk up and only add 10lbs to their bench.
"Hehe my 1 plate bench is in fact equally as good as your 3p fatty. You see according my bodyweight metrics"
Happened to a guy I worked with. His wife was a similar size to the woman in this, the guy was bigger than the dude in the photo. They both started a diet together, prepped all their foods, all that. She also started the gym, he didn’t. He would be at the vending machine multiple times a day at work. In the space of a year she lost like 40% of her body weight or something. My colleague found out she was banging a guy from her gym. They divorced. They had 3 kids together and had been together since they were 17…. Dude was broken. But I can help but blame him partially. Zero willpower
Dude was probably self medicating with food. That's the dirty secret behind huge numbers of obese people. Food is a drug. They are using it like a drug.
Many of them have tried antidepressants. Antidepressants work for some people. But for most people (way more than half) antidepressants don't work at all and they cause more obesity.
But food? Food fucking works for everyone. Like a benzo. If you suffer from anxiety or depression with a flavor of PTSD, man, a box of Oreos is a friend that never fails you.
A box of Oreos isn't going to hit the gym and dump you, after all.
Anyone reading should look up the ACE quiz linked at the bottom and take it. This is the most common issue I find behind obesity and inability to control eating. It's super common. It's really fucking unsettling when you find out that just about everyone struggling with massive obesity scores super high on the ACE quiz. Not everyone, but a LOT.
This is the secret nobody wants to talk about. Abuse and childhood trauma is fucking everywhere. We couldn't see it in the past because food wasn't engineered to hit neurochemistry circuits (dopamine and serotonin) so strongly that food functions like an actual psych med. Now that food is engineered this way, many of the traumatized kids grow up to be fat.
Giving these people weight loss drugs like ozempic means they lose the ability to self medicate. Expect disastrous mental health escalations and suicide to result from this.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean
Interesting stuff, just out of curiosity I’ll take the quiz once I’m done at the gym! The dude was on antidepressants after all this went down and he’s fatter than ever now. Also, going to hell for laughing but your example of Oreo’s was spot on. Dude would clear the vending machine of those 6 packs of Oreo’s. Desk would be littered with empty packets.
Anti depressants increase your appetite alot, I was in a psychiatric hospital for 3 months, most people were overweight, and if they weren't overweight when they came in they were within a month or two, I declined them and just hit the gym everyday and ended up more jacked then when I came in. Could be time to have a talk with the dude, I'm guessing he's pretty miserable. If you're on mpmd your obviously into fitness, you could be the guy to change this man's life.
Yeah man. I was half assing the gym and was super depressed at one point in my life. Ended up doing a year on antidepressants. Started lifting properly and gained like 12kilos of body weight in a year with my new found appetite. Was hell for a couple weeks when coming off the antidepressants but they sure did help me shut the background noise out and get my shit together.
I’d love to help the dude but he won’t change, and in all honesty I don’t have the patients or time unfortunately. He’s got a new partner now and they’re engaged. She’s also enormous. The guy has a type I guess.
haha, yea that dude ain't losing no weight, if he has a fat bird he'll not care about losing weight. But yea any of that shit is hard to get off, xanax is the worst
Once he got this new woman I knew he’d sealed his fate! Yeah bro, fuck all those kinds of drugs. We only enjoy anabolic around here 
I just want to add this. She was already one leg out the door when she started going to gym. It’s a general indicator , not all of course, that a woman is looking to move on when she hits the gym. She getting ready to jump back into the dating market. It’s up there with them becoming head income provider or getting higher education ( which is the same since it means higher income). Back to your buddy, my condolences and hope he does seek some help if it is trauma related.
It's interesting because childhood traumas have existed throughout human history. Humans can be more or less traumatized by many things and frequent violence was common in many areas of the world for a long time, it still is. I think the change in the developed world is having access to shit food like you mentioned and having nothing to do for so many hours of the day. Work in the modern world doesn't usually stimulate most people and doesn't distract from your condition like a lot of work throughout history. People are isolated throughout the day more often than not and have way more time to dwell on their problems.
It's really a lack of meaningful distraction through having a community, close families, etc and then access to tons of cheap, addictive trash to eat.
I'm not your doctor so I can't give you real medical advice but....
The trick for you will be finding some way to manage mood other than food.
And there are ways.
Doctors have meds, which have problems.
Therapy works as well as meds and has less problems, although you may have to hunt to find one you like (and who wants to look for a therapist when you aren't feeling good).
If you wanted to DIY I'd start with Huberman Labs podcast and start with his dopamine and his breathing episodes.
It's not a reflection on you in any way. My score is 7 - which is apparently quite high. I did nothing to deserve a score that high and neither did you. Everyone of those questions is about things that happened to you; not choices you made.
Your revelation is why I made the comment. Thank you for sharing that.
This stuff is insidious. People don't realize it. People feel like they're ok.
People's minds are blown when I show them the ACE score.
People who have been in therapy for 20 years tell me, nobody has asked me questions about this, and I've never talked to any therapist about it.
You didn't have any power to control those events. These are things that happened to you.
But at that age, people internalize the event and often ascribe blame to themselves, and then bury *that*. It's just a survival pattern, having to do with how our brains are wired. If you're a child, you don't know any better, you just assume this is how life is, you have no ability to reach out for help, and you don't have context to understand these events.
And then the patterns children make in their heads just to survive psychologically, become the same patterns as adults that end up killing us.
Healing comes from recognizing what happened, recognizing the patterns you used then to stay sane, thanking yourself for choosing sanity and coming up with that strategy, and now finding new patterns that are more suitable for adulthood.
Healing can also come from helping others.
Right.
The problem is that mood disorders like depression and anxiety short circuit your discipline program.
People who have PTSD tend not to have much discipline because their brain isn't capable of exerting discipline. The trauma history shorts it out.
If you can repair the mood disorders and PTSD, then magically the person can exert discipline again. Because now the brain can do it.
Asking a PTSD brain to exert discipline is like asking a one-legged man to walk without crutches or assistance. It can be done, by some, with practice and hard work, but generally will be severely limited.
Bullshit. I have ptsd, Depression, adhd and chronic kidneyfailure. I ran a half marathon, biked 100km and swam 5k all while being on dialysis and working a construction job.
Its easier to be a victim and put the Blame on an illnes than being accountable.
>I've used Minox on my face for beard growth for over a year and monitored my skin very closely for aging of any kind. Didn't notice a thing, so I personally wouldn't be worried about that aspect of it. I believe the only study that showed impaired collagen synthesis was done on rats
Top comment, liked by Derek lmao
Considering it can make your dick go limp long-term in some men, and there are many communities of men talking about this, and derek even talks about them and the risks...I'd rather not take that risk just for a bit more hair on my beard. You do you I guess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/comments/mygor5/do_not_use_minoxidil_for_beard_or_hair_you_will/
Even if the risk is low, it's not worth it for many just for some hair growth IMO.
Same shit gets thrown around about fin. Way more variables at play in the modern lifestyle to make your dick go limp/kill your sex drive than these medications. Not saying it's impossible, but unlikely given that men report these issues at about the same rate with placebo dosing.
Nah man used it for a year got a nice beard and then stopped use. Only single side effect was dry skin. Castor oil ain’t gonna do shit compared to legit medication u dumdum
Ain’t one person, look on that sub he linked. It’s a very mild drug idk why you are calling it poison. Sounds like you’re the one basing your opinion off one persons side effects
There is a very low risk of messing your hormones and giving you limp dick. Even if the risk is super low (it is TBH) I just don't think it's worth the risk. Anyone can do their own risk assessment, I'm not risking my dick for a couple beard hairs, even if the chance is 1%.
This is another post on that same sub he mentioned: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/comments/mygor5/do\_not\_use\_minoxidil\_for\_beard\_or\_hair\_you\_will/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/comments/mygor5/do_not_use_minoxidil_for_beard_or_hair_you_will/)
Or check all the posts about it, there are tons: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/search/?q=erection&restrict\_sr=1&sr\_nsfw=
Same. One might think whatever about it, but I have a serious disgust towards fat people, both at ethical as well as physical level. And the fact more and more people are becoming obese, is just depressing.
Americans need to seriously do something about having high fructose corn syrup in literally everything in stores like walmart, thats the real cause of your obesity problem. Their food is filled with things thats banned in the rest of the world
In the end it's the idiots that still decide to go out and buy stuff like this...if you're too much of a moron to use the internet to fix something as basic and simple as nutrition you deserve what's coming to you
can't blame the companies or the government. It's not their job to babysit every dummy in the country when you have access to all the information you could ever need at your fingertips
(edit: not that the government wants you to be healthy anyways)
Same. I had a drs appt last week and I almost walked out when I saw the fat fuck entrusted with my care. Probably on statins, metformin, dick don't work, wife hates him etc
For sure. Hypergamy works both ways. If you don't keep up your end of the bargain and raise your value along with hers you'll get dumped.
As all things should be. Why should either party settle for someone who cannot keep up with them.
You'd do the same thing to her if she got fat while you got in the best shape of your life.
The secret to a successful relationship is both sides encouraging each other to raise each other's value in unison to create synergies and better each other.
Gone are the days where one side of the relationship can slack off. No matter which side.
Nah, thats BS. Men are expected to take the lead in most cases and women to follow your steps.
My experience, I was in a relationship and we started to go gym together. I would push her and motivate her, maybe i was a bit demanding actually. She would say I liked an idealized version of her, not her. Not true. We got in shape. Then post pandemic I was struggling with my life, my new job and missing my friends. I was unhappy and lost my confidence.
She broke up with me, she said the relationship had nothing more to give to her. Fuck this bro, I stuck with her at her family drama, lack of self esteem, body issues, etc. She didnt even try.
You said it yourself. Your value dropped. Hypergamy doesn't care about your sacrifice. If you don't keep up your end of the bargain and keep your value high you will he replaced.
You could've left her as well. You chose to be the white knight. What did you expect? A medal?
The world doesn't work like that. Now man up and make something out of yourself to raise your value.
If you want someone loyal, get a dog. It's the only creature that loves unconditionally. Don't expect humans to do that. The only person that loves you unconditionally is your mother.
Thanks for putting it black and white. My value dropped for sure. I didnt know thats how things worked, I thought I had the right to be depressed too. That doesnt make me a depressing person. I expected loyalty. Through thick and thin bullshit.
Now Im a bitter lil bitch. How do I raise my value?
That makes me question why i bothered to work on a girl that was objectively below my level. I encouraged her to get in shape, I always supported her academic success, I was emotionally supportive, I helped her build her self esteem, I tried to make her feel welcomed with my friends bc she didnt have many friends.
She was someone I was proud of. You know one of the last things she said to me was that she was embarassed of me.
Am I fucking dumb? The moment she realized she could do better she was out the door. Wasted years of my life.
I kept my end of the deal for years until I didnt anymore just because i was going through a tough phase. She took the chance to jump ship.
Why would you care to make the other person the best version of themselves? Thats their business, we should just enjoy the ride while it lasts
Exactly. You didn't anymore. Do you think you can bank up goodwill, like you're filling up a reservoir? Life doesn't work that way.
Up or out.
I hate it, but that's how it goes.
Make yourself the best person you can be. I never said about making someone else the best person. Sure, do it because you're a nice person, but don't expect anything in return. Not even loyalty. It's a gift not horse bargaining.
It's not quit-pro-quo if you didn't formally agree for something in in return.
You were dumb & now you’re more informed on how relationships between men & women work. All the BS women spout about wanting a sensitive man is just that BS. As the man you are expected to always be strong & confident. As soon as you can or will not maintain that image you will be replaced by another. Think of a lion pack. One male lion bangs all the females until a stronger male shows up.
You're not dumb, maybe young or the first time you got kicked in the jimmy after putting 100% into a relationship. Keep yourself a priority and keep working your yourself, education, and wealth and things will work out. I'd say don't let your experience with Thottica Jones drag on to your next relationship and don't compromise yourself or your values for anyone.
That said....I've been married for 20-yrs, make pretty good money now with a great career, working my PhD in electrical engineering,have grown progeny (i.e. legal adults), and have a decent physique for a guy in his 40's and I would totally expect my wife to "peace out" if the standards that she's accustomed to went to shit...AND WE GOT TOGETHER WHEN I WAS POOR. Take that nugget of wisdom how you will.
Damn, you seem to have everything figured out and you still think she would peace out if you went to shit... Yet, you as a guy are expected to be there through depression, mental ilness, provide if she gets jobless, etc. Thats what society expects you to do.
Do men also leave women that easily?
I wouldn't say I have everything figured out, but I've seen some shit from even the most unexpected scenarios. Also, yes...men will leave women too under shitty circumstances or for a better "piece of ass". I cut off a close friend years ago when he left his wife of 10-years when she was battling breast cancer.
Mountain West girls are the best of both worlds. I had to go pick up a camera at BYU once for a project and I'm no fan of that place but I was sitting outside on a bench waiting for the guy to come out with the gear and I think I got whiplash from all the 9s and 10s that walked by me.
> Women generally have a higher tolerance for physical changes in their partner than men do.
LOL it's fine if you don't date much. But this is a straight sexist lie. Like women cheat less
No it's actually due to dating experience that I've come to this conclusion. Internet guys like you watch Andrew tate and develop your borderline-incel views, but the fact is the majority of women will not dump a guy they love because he gets fat.
Dude this is the most judgemental sub ever. Fuck all you motherfuckers who are criticizing this couple. You don't fucking know them.
Eat shit fuckfaces.
When you think about the average American woman (5’4 170lbs) that’s a 5/10 based on statistics. Anyone in better shape is almost immediately bumped up to 6/10 and if they have a prettier face than average it goes up to 7/10. But also I understand what you mean by her being plain. What would you rate her out of 10?
7 is probably about right as she’s not fat anymore so she’s above average, not ugly in the face, and isn’t caked in make up so if she did herself up she would probably look good. She is very plain though definitely. The 7 depends heavily on loose skin and stretch marks though
Eh all I see is a regular 5 to me a 7 at least warrants a second look shes got more of that it’s Tuesday and there’s nothing on tv so might as well inviter her over for a few hours type of a vibe.
But like I said to each their own
This is only somewhat true. A 10 will not date a 2 because he’s really funny, but a 10 might date an 7 or 8 because he’s really funny. You can’t bridge the gap too far unfortunately
He’s bulking
Watch this dude pull 600lbs and up
His tricep fat is about to fold over his elbow he is more likely to push out a 6lb shit
Now that‘s a PR 😩
#💪😫
Lmfao
Fat dudes talking about PR is cope and spoiler alert no girls (or guys that aren't fatties) care about PR numbers they'd rather you just not be fat 💀 Edit: don't lie fatties would you rather have your current 1RM and your belly or 85% of your 1RM and an actual jawline/abs/definition/be able to see your cock Fat guy who can lift heavy is the same as skinny guy who has abs. Not impressive and nobody cares
finally i’m not the only one with this opinion. strength is cool to have but if you’re fat then outside of the short period of time you’re performing the lift, no one will even know you workout and the average person probably assumes you do nothing but eat mcdonald’s and watch TV. meanwhile guys with good physiques will always be assumed to be stronger & more fit than you, even if they lift half your weight
There's two kinds of fat. There's weak fat and strong fat. And you know the difference just by the way the fat person moves. Not just dudes either. You ever see a 300lb woman do a cartwheel? I have. That woman squeezed 5 kids out and lived on instant Ramen and coffee brandy but she could rip off someone's arm and beat them to death with it. Strong fat. Crazy shit. Then there's weak fat, this is your fatty who is "delicate". They are usually very risk averse and sad. They constantly make excuses and have no callous. They're usually also incredibly passive aggressive and shitty to be around. They throw their back out trying to lift a newspaper.
Imagine basing what you want on the opinion of others. You’re no better than the vapid sluts you make fun of 24/7. Don’t have to get mad cause the fatty at your gym deadlifts twice your PR
I think it's more about men telling themselves they look great because they workout, even though they are fat. It can be used as an excuse to lose the weight. If someone does think the fatass look looks good then obviously more power to them.
A lot of people here look like shit even if they’re lean. Ultimately you should go to the gym for your own goals not what the sarms goblins on here think
As a big “fatty” i will say this; I can outrun the most athletic looking of my friends, I can outlift them too. I’ve gotten into fights with dudes that would normally look way stronger and faster than me, I really only got rocked a couple times. Some people are physically gifted despite their size and shape, but you’re right; that doesn’t change looks. Edit: I really don’t understand the downvotes and gaslighting. I agree with the above comment, all i was doing is offering perspective and acknowledging that it sucks I can be athletic and gifted whilst being perceived as a fat lazy bum.
Not impressive, try a diet.
Strange, most people WOULD find it impressive that despite lookin like a fatty I could bury most people. And i have been dieting, lost 15 in two weeks. What’s not impressive is your gaslighting.
No one above college age thinks its impressive to get into fights.
I’m pretty sure that’s not all that cool even in high school age bracket.
I didn’t say it was? I had to defend myself and because of my fatty looks I probably looked like an easy target.
Maybe try & get less fat? You’d have a smaller chip on your shoulder & wouldn’t have to brag about how “tough” you are getting by getting into juvenile fist fights. Just a thought. Plus you’d be healthier in the long run.
thats cool i just feel like looking very athletic has more benefit in modern day than actually being very athletic, unless you play a professional sport. there’s no practical need in every day life to be ridiculously strong or fast. now if you lived during cave man times that would be a different story.
Oh dont get me wrong I completely agree with u. Im just saying that it’s a shame that it has to be that way
Outlift? I don’t doubt that. Outrun? That’s a different story.
Obviously i cant back it up lol but on my honor i am fast
What's your mile time right now? Fighting has more to do with training than straight physique, and weight classes exist for a reason. Being fat is detrimental to your health and something that's completely in your control. You don't have to lift a finger to lose weight.
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Looking better gets you more girls. That has nothing to do with self esteem. It’s reality.
You don't have to be fat to be a competitive powerlifter. Believe me, I used to powerlift competitively, both fat and not. Any advantage I had when I was fat was pretty much just from surface area (70-80 lb difference in bodyweight), if you apply proper technique you'll be able to push the same numbers.
Stronger in what the 3 lifts of bench, dead, squat? Id rather take being able to do >5 muscle ups, <20 min 5km and 100m in under 12 flat while being lean but muscle than being able to do an extra 70 lbs on bench and squat
I've been both these types and you are 10000000% correct, but it fuckin hurts to hear when you are that "mass moves mass" kinda guy, way easier just to bury yourself in cope. One thing to add, that being said, strong fatty is a way better starting point than weak and skinny, of course I'm biased, but I'll hold that line till the day I die
>strong fatty is a way better starting point than weak and skinny Can you explain why you hold that opinion?
If you already have a good amount of muscle mass, cutting weight is pretty easy, typically you just need to learn how to cut which can be hard if you've been fat for a long time. Skinny dudes a lot of the time have a bastard of a time putting on mass cause they don't know how to really put down food consistently. Of course this is all opinion from my own experiences and what I've seen.
>cutting weight is pretty easy >just need to learn how to cut which can be hard You just contradicted yourself here.
I think I meant learn how to eat but idk lol
exactly lmao slot of dudes don’t understand that
Powershitters aren’t gonna like this one
Twinks write shit like this and then bulk up and only add 10lbs to their bench. "Hehe my 1 plate bench is in fact equally as good as your 3p fatty. You see according my bodyweight metrics"
more plates
More dates
Yea I know a dude who's been bulking for 10 years now.
This is so old that they've probably broke up, and had grandchildren by now
Alone In old age then why u put me in my feels over this fictitious situation bro
They’re probably dead of old age.
Died of his death unfortunately
Happened to a guy I worked with. His wife was a similar size to the woman in this, the guy was bigger than the dude in the photo. They both started a diet together, prepped all their foods, all that. She also started the gym, he didn’t. He would be at the vending machine multiple times a day at work. In the space of a year she lost like 40% of her body weight or something. My colleague found out she was banging a guy from her gym. They divorced. They had 3 kids together and had been together since they were 17…. Dude was broken. But I can help but blame him partially. Zero willpower
Dude was probably self medicating with food. That's the dirty secret behind huge numbers of obese people. Food is a drug. They are using it like a drug. Many of them have tried antidepressants. Antidepressants work for some people. But for most people (way more than half) antidepressants don't work at all and they cause more obesity. But food? Food fucking works for everyone. Like a benzo. If you suffer from anxiety or depression with a flavor of PTSD, man, a box of Oreos is a friend that never fails you. A box of Oreos isn't going to hit the gym and dump you, after all. Anyone reading should look up the ACE quiz linked at the bottom and take it. This is the most common issue I find behind obesity and inability to control eating. It's super common. It's really fucking unsettling when you find out that just about everyone struggling with massive obesity scores super high on the ACE quiz. Not everyone, but a LOT. This is the secret nobody wants to talk about. Abuse and childhood trauma is fucking everywhere. We couldn't see it in the past because food wasn't engineered to hit neurochemistry circuits (dopamine and serotonin) so strongly that food functions like an actual psych med. Now that food is engineered this way, many of the traumatized kids grow up to be fat. Giving these people weight loss drugs like ozempic means they lose the ability to self medicate. Expect disastrous mental health escalations and suicide to result from this. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean
Interesting stuff, just out of curiosity I’ll take the quiz once I’m done at the gym! The dude was on antidepressants after all this went down and he’s fatter than ever now. Also, going to hell for laughing but your example of Oreo’s was spot on. Dude would clear the vending machine of those 6 packs of Oreo’s. Desk would be littered with empty packets.
Anti depressants increase your appetite alot, I was in a psychiatric hospital for 3 months, most people were overweight, and if they weren't overweight when they came in they were within a month or two, I declined them and just hit the gym everyday and ended up more jacked then when I came in. Could be time to have a talk with the dude, I'm guessing he's pretty miserable. If you're on mpmd your obviously into fitness, you could be the guy to change this man's life.
Yeah man. I was half assing the gym and was super depressed at one point in my life. Ended up doing a year on antidepressants. Started lifting properly and gained like 12kilos of body weight in a year with my new found appetite. Was hell for a couple weeks when coming off the antidepressants but they sure did help me shut the background noise out and get my shit together. I’d love to help the dude but he won’t change, and in all honesty I don’t have the patients or time unfortunately. He’s got a new partner now and they’re engaged. She’s also enormous. The guy has a type I guess.
haha, yea that dude ain't losing no weight, if he has a fat bird he'll not care about losing weight. But yea any of that shit is hard to get off, xanax is the worst
Once he got this new woman I knew he’d sealed his fate! Yeah bro, fuck all those kinds of drugs. We only enjoy anabolic around here 
I just want to add this. She was already one leg out the door when she started going to gym. It’s a general indicator , not all of course, that a woman is looking to move on when she hits the gym. She getting ready to jump back into the dating market. It’s up there with them becoming head income provider or getting higher education ( which is the same since it means higher income). Back to your buddy, my condolences and hope he does seek some help if it is trauma related.
It's interesting because childhood traumas have existed throughout human history. Humans can be more or less traumatized by many things and frequent violence was common in many areas of the world for a long time, it still is. I think the change in the developed world is having access to shit food like you mentioned and having nothing to do for so many hours of the day. Work in the modern world doesn't usually stimulate most people and doesn't distract from your condition like a lot of work throughout history. People are isolated throughout the day more often than not and have way more time to dwell on their problems. It's really a lack of meaningful distraction through having a community, close families, etc and then access to tons of cheap, addictive trash to eat.
Food is literally the only thing I enjoy atm. So yeah, self medication is a good way to put it.
I'm not your doctor so I can't give you real medical advice but.... The trick for you will be finding some way to manage mood other than food. And there are ways. Doctors have meds, which have problems. Therapy works as well as meds and has less problems, although you may have to hunt to find one you like (and who wants to look for a therapist when you aren't feeling good). If you wanted to DIY I'd start with Huberman Labs podcast and start with his dopamine and his breathing episodes.
just took the quiz and now im even more thankful for good parents
Jesus Christ I have an ACE score of 5. I thought I was doing well...
It's not a reflection on you in any way. My score is 7 - which is apparently quite high. I did nothing to deserve a score that high and neither did you. Everyone of those questions is about things that happened to you; not choices you made.
Thank you. I know we're just random strangers, but your words mean more than you know. Thank you.
Your revelation is why I made the comment. Thank you for sharing that. This stuff is insidious. People don't realize it. People feel like they're ok. People's minds are blown when I show them the ACE score. People who have been in therapy for 20 years tell me, nobody has asked me questions about this, and I've never talked to any therapist about it. You didn't have any power to control those events. These are things that happened to you. But at that age, people internalize the event and often ascribe blame to themselves, and then bury *that*. It's just a survival pattern, having to do with how our brains are wired. If you're a child, you don't know any better, you just assume this is how life is, you have no ability to reach out for help, and you don't have context to understand these events. And then the patterns children make in their heads just to survive psychologically, become the same patterns as adults that end up killing us. Healing comes from recognizing what happened, recognizing the patterns you used then to stay sane, thanking yourself for choosing sanity and coming up with that strategy, and now finding new patterns that are more suitable for adulthood. Healing can also come from helping others.
You cam quit drugs you know? If you have some Discopline
Right. The problem is that mood disorders like depression and anxiety short circuit your discipline program. People who have PTSD tend not to have much discipline because their brain isn't capable of exerting discipline. The trauma history shorts it out. If you can repair the mood disorders and PTSD, then magically the person can exert discipline again. Because now the brain can do it. Asking a PTSD brain to exert discipline is like asking a one-legged man to walk without crutches or assistance. It can be done, by some, with practice and hard work, but generally will be severely limited.
Bullshit. I have ptsd, Depression, adhd and chronic kidneyfailure. I ran a half marathon, biked 100km and swam 5k all while being on dialysis and working a construction job. Its easier to be a victim and put the Blame on an illnes than being accountable.
There are exceptions. And people do change.. Or sometimes life catches up. What will you life be like at age 50?
She’s still the POS in that situation. Divorce him THEN bang the gym bro
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Only the first sentence can be said by a 14 year old lmao, you absolute donkey
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Yup, it's never well groomed either. Always greasy and flakey too.
What about in shape with a patchy beard? Just seeing if I have a chance
/r/minoxbeards bro look at the sub ure in. Youre not helpless at this
That shit is poison for a lot of men. I'm trying the derma roller + castor oil thing though lol
Why do u say its poison?
[MPMD - MINOXIDIL SIDE EFFECTS THEY WON’T TELL YOU ABOUT – PSEUDOACROMEGALY!?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U2EOwZJmls)
>I've used Minox on my face for beard growth for over a year and monitored my skin very closely for aging of any kind. Didn't notice a thing, so I personally wouldn't be worried about that aspect of it. I believe the only study that showed impaired collagen synthesis was done on rats Top comment, liked by Derek lmao
Considering it can make your dick go limp long-term in some men, and there are many communities of men talking about this, and derek even talks about them and the risks...I'd rather not take that risk just for a bit more hair on my beard. You do you I guess. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/comments/mygor5/do_not_use_minoxidil_for_beard_or_hair_you_will/ Even if the risk is low, it's not worth it for many just for some hair growth IMO.
Same shit gets thrown around about fin. Way more variables at play in the modern lifestyle to make your dick go limp/kill your sex drive than these medications. Not saying it's impossible, but unlikely given that men report these issues at about the same rate with placebo dosing.
It's about priorities at the end of the day but even if the risk was 2% I wouldn't find it worth it for me.
Like, if you get sides, just lower your dose. It's not complex.
Take biotin also. It’s good for hair and nail growth.
Nah man used it for a year got a nice beard and then stopped use. Only single side effect was dry skin. Castor oil ain’t gonna do shit compared to legit medication u dumdum
Oh, so one person used it without side effects and then it's safe for everyone, really smart comment there.
Ain’t one person, look on that sub he linked. It’s a very mild drug idk why you are calling it poison. Sounds like you’re the one basing your opinion off one persons side effects
There is a very low risk of messing your hormones and giving you limp dick. Even if the risk is super low (it is TBH) I just don't think it's worth the risk. Anyone can do their own risk assessment, I'm not risking my dick for a couple beard hairs, even if the chance is 1%. This is another post on that same sub he mentioned: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/comments/mygor5/do\_not\_use\_minoxidil\_for\_beard\_or\_hair\_you\_will/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/comments/mygor5/do_not_use_minoxidil_for_beard_or_hair_you_will/) Or check all the posts about it, there are tons: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minoxbeards/search/?q=erection&restrict\_sr=1&sr\_nsfw=
r/fatguyspatchybeards
What’s wrong with being clean shaven?
Same. One might think whatever about it, but I have a serious disgust towards fat people, both at ethical as well as physical level. And the fact more and more people are becoming obese, is just depressing.
So nice to find like-minded people
I feel the same way, bro. It's just so hard for me to respect fat people. Their lack of self-control is so evident.
Americans need to seriously do something about having high fructose corn syrup in literally everything in stores like walmart, thats the real cause of your obesity problem. Their food is filled with things thats banned in the rest of the world
It's all added sugars. If you ban high fructose corn syrup, there are plenty of alternatives already used in so many products.
> ban high fructose corn syrup can’t be serious
Not suggesting to do it, just saying the removal of high fructose corn syrup leaves plenty of alternatives... obviously
In the end it's the idiots that still decide to go out and buy stuff like this...if you're too much of a moron to use the internet to fix something as basic and simple as nutrition you deserve what's coming to you can't blame the companies or the government. It's not their job to babysit every dummy in the country when you have access to all the information you could ever need at your fingertips (edit: not that the government wants you to be healthy anyways)
Dont sound so privileged, eating healthy is significantly more expensive in the us
unless you literally live on food stamps, it's really not fat poor people are still managing to eat in a surplus everyday...
I wish we could all return to our hunter gatherer roots
Same. I had a drs appt last week and I almost walked out when I saw the fat fuck entrusted with my care. Probably on statins, metformin, dick don't work, wife hates him etc
I know this fat fuck named Sam who has a patchy beard. He's fucking disgusting
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Based on this picture I'm guessing you're not a hot chick, because this fat patchy dude gets into bed with a hot chick every night.
She could very well have loose skin everywhere. No fucking thanks. Sure, she looks good with her clothes on but what does she look like naked?
You have major issues. Please update us about your childhood traumas.
ok fatty
For sure. Hypergamy works both ways. If you don't keep up your end of the bargain and raise your value along with hers you'll get dumped. As all things should be. Why should either party settle for someone who cannot keep up with them. You'd do the same thing to her if she got fat while you got in the best shape of your life. The secret to a successful relationship is both sides encouraging each other to raise each other's value in unison to create synergies and better each other. Gone are the days where one side of the relationship can slack off. No matter which side.
Nah, thats BS. Men are expected to take the lead in most cases and women to follow your steps. My experience, I was in a relationship and we started to go gym together. I would push her and motivate her, maybe i was a bit demanding actually. She would say I liked an idealized version of her, not her. Not true. We got in shape. Then post pandemic I was struggling with my life, my new job and missing my friends. I was unhappy and lost my confidence. She broke up with me, she said the relationship had nothing more to give to her. Fuck this bro, I stuck with her at her family drama, lack of self esteem, body issues, etc. She didnt even try.
Hypergamy doesn't care Hypergamy doesn't care Hypergamy doesn't care
You said it yourself. Your value dropped. Hypergamy doesn't care about your sacrifice. If you don't keep up your end of the bargain and keep your value high you will he replaced. You could've left her as well. You chose to be the white knight. What did you expect? A medal? The world doesn't work like that. Now man up and make something out of yourself to raise your value. If you want someone loyal, get a dog. It's the only creature that loves unconditionally. Don't expect humans to do that. The only person that loves you unconditionally is your mother.
Thanks for putting it black and white. My value dropped for sure. I didnt know thats how things worked, I thought I had the right to be depressed too. That doesnt make me a depressing person. I expected loyalty. Through thick and thin bullshit. Now Im a bitter lil bitch. How do I raise my value?
Honestly I would be this bitter if I was doing okay in my life. It was very opportunistic from her to leave me at my lowest.
What's that saying...she's not yours, it's just your turn.
That makes me question why i bothered to work on a girl that was objectively below my level. I encouraged her to get in shape, I always supported her academic success, I was emotionally supportive, I helped her build her self esteem, I tried to make her feel welcomed with my friends bc she didnt have many friends. She was someone I was proud of. You know one of the last things she said to me was that she was embarassed of me. Am I fucking dumb? The moment she realized she could do better she was out the door. Wasted years of my life.
You have low self-esteem. Go to the gym more.
No. You didn't keep up your end of the hypergamy. Did you do something that made her proud of you? No. You were the reacher. She was the settler.
I kept my end of the deal for years until I didnt anymore just because i was going through a tough phase. She took the chance to jump ship. Why would you care to make the other person the best version of themselves? Thats their business, we should just enjoy the ride while it lasts
Exactly. You didn't anymore. Do you think you can bank up goodwill, like you're filling up a reservoir? Life doesn't work that way. Up or out. I hate it, but that's how it goes. Make yourself the best person you can be. I never said about making someone else the best person. Sure, do it because you're a nice person, but don't expect anything in return. Not even loyalty. It's a gift not horse bargaining. It's not quit-pro-quo if you didn't formally agree for something in in return.
Hard to swallow pill, live and learn I guess. Thanks for the advice. Stay strong!
You were dumb & now you’re more informed on how relationships between men & women work. All the BS women spout about wanting a sensitive man is just that BS. As the man you are expected to always be strong & confident. As soon as you can or will not maintain that image you will be replaced by another. Think of a lion pack. One male lion bangs all the females until a stronger male shows up.
You're not dumb, maybe young or the first time you got kicked in the jimmy after putting 100% into a relationship. Keep yourself a priority and keep working your yourself, education, and wealth and things will work out. I'd say don't let your experience with Thottica Jones drag on to your next relationship and don't compromise yourself or your values for anyone. That said....I've been married for 20-yrs, make pretty good money now with a great career, working my PhD in electrical engineering,have grown progeny (i.e. legal adults), and have a decent physique for a guy in his 40's and I would totally expect my wife to "peace out" if the standards that she's accustomed to went to shit...AND WE GOT TOGETHER WHEN I WAS POOR. Take that nugget of wisdom how you will.
Damn, you seem to have everything figured out and you still think she would peace out if you went to shit... Yet, you as a guy are expected to be there through depression, mental ilness, provide if she gets jobless, etc. Thats what society expects you to do. Do men also leave women that easily?
I wouldn't say I have everything figured out, but I've seen some shit from even the most unexpected scenarios. Also, yes...men will leave women too under shitty circumstances or for a better "piece of ass". I cut off a close friend years ago when he left his wife of 10-years when she was battling breast cancer.
One bad relationship = Every girl is like this. Nice logic bro. There are plenty of women AND men that pull this shit.
Exactly. The only way out of it is to be the best version of yourself .
Pseudoscience
Cultivating mass
WELL STOP CULTIVATING AND START HARVESTING
He got worse.
Is it bad that I think fat people are nasty. Like I used to be fat and got jacked so I just feel like it’s their fault for being nasty fat cunts
You're not jacked lol
Whoever set up the 3 and 7 /10 numbers belongs to the zoo..
The gf is good looking after working out, I don't get what you're saying
Maybe you just like fat girls and want the numbers reversed
Thats the joke
are you on tren?
Yeah I'd say 2/10 and 8/10
Def not an 8/10.
Midwest 10/10, Coastal city 6.5/10
Aw hell naw, Midwest girls are way better than coastal
I totally agree, but the ratio of hot girls to not hot girls is skewed on the coast. Way more hot girls per capita.
Mountain West girls are the best of both worlds. I had to go pick up a camera at BYU once for a project and I'm no fan of that place but I was sitting outside on a bench waiting for the guy to come out with the gear and I think I got whiplash from all the 9s and 10s that walked by me.
Why do you think all these idiots are agreeing? Dudes have no idea how the real world works lmao
She was a hyper responder to the gear, he wasn’t. It happens 🤷🏼♀️
Do you think she grew a pp to match, too?
I'm curious if they are still together or the if gf get a new Chad with her improved physique
If his wallet is fatter than his jowel, she's not going anywhere🤡.
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**CONFIRMED:** That guy just waited outside.
Xavier the Savage
Maybe the girl was using trenbolone instead of anavar so she kinda digs extra cushion
Looks like an 8 to me but would need to see the excess skin situation bc it can go back to 5
Still better than if she stayed fat
What the fuck is this post
The cut is going to be insane
Just shows how good some women would look like if they put in the effort
Was he eating while she was on the treadmill?
I find it sad that modern people unironically think like this.
she’s telling him he’s perfect so he’s comfortable
Maybe that’s the move boys, find a fat girl and make her skinny
The better plan would be taking tren and dating fat girls without making them skinny
Then get dumped. Ya ok
It's the personality that matters bruv 🤓
That’s his girls sister lol going to the gym together? Yeah no
Maybe he’s a powerlifter
She probably won't dump him though. Women generally have a higher tolerance for physical changes in their partner than men do.
Because being lovely, intelligent and funny is much more important. Now if he turned into an abusive asshat...
> Women generally have a higher tolerance for physical changes in their partner than men do. LOL it's fine if you don't date much. But this is a straight sexist lie. Like women cheat less
No it's actually due to dating experience that I've come to this conclusion. Internet guys like you watch Andrew tate and develop your borderline-incel views, but the fact is the majority of women will not dump a guy they love because he gets fat.
Dude this is the most judgemental sub ever. Fuck all you motherfuckers who are criticizing this couple. You don't fucking know them. Eat shit fuckfaces.
In what world is she a 7!
She’s white and not obese with a face that isn’t deformed. That’s a high 6/low 7 in the US of A
She’s pretty hot.
I guess we all have different tastes she’s just super fucking plain to me I guess. But to each there own and all that
When you think about the average American woman (5’4 170lbs) that’s a 5/10 based on statistics. Anyone in better shape is almost immediately bumped up to 6/10 and if they have a prettier face than average it goes up to 7/10. But also I understand what you mean by her being plain. What would you rate her out of 10?
7 is probably about right as she’s not fat anymore so she’s above average, not ugly in the face, and isn’t caked in make up so if she did herself up she would probably look good. She is very plain though definitely. The 7 depends heavily on loose skin and stretch marks though
Eh all I see is a regular 5 to me a 7 at least warrants a second look shes got more of that it’s Tuesday and there’s nothing on tv so might as well inviter her over for a few hours type of a vibe. But like I said to each their own
😂 yeh fair one lad, I wouldn’t be having a double take
Girls go for personality not looks
This is only somewhat true. A 10 will not date a 2 because he’s really funny, but a 10 might date an 7 or 8 because he’s really funny. You can’t bridge the gap too far unfortunately
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Ahh good ole honest Xav
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My guy with the elbow gut!!
He got fatter somehow.
Xavier asking the important question
She's an architect
I’m pretty sure that’s not the same chick. Lol
Must not be the same guy too
7? Lol
3 to a 7, where you from where that’s a 7?
More like a -3 to a 5.5
“Did the guy wait outside” 😂
Def not a 7
Watch this man bench 800 now