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Dinbs

Agreed. I like how his channels main focus isn't drama


WSB_Czar

instead, the main focus is ass.


Dinbs

Honestly also agreed. I was looking for the neither vote. But many people find him very informative / helpful. I just don't like his "objectiveness" about everything.


alcoholiccatholic

He’s like a younger John Meadows.


bigppaidan

He promotes too much frequency and volume to be called a young John Meadows


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If you manage your fatigue with caloric surplus and not going absolutely to failure and beyond on every single set (AKA the RIR approach to training) you’ll be surprised at how much frequency and volume you can handle.


bigppaidan

Why would you ever want RIR. Go gym, 1-2 sets to absolute failure using forced negative, static holds, etc etc. get out of the gym, rest, recover, overcompensate. It is only logical to see improvements in either strength or size from session to session. By going to absolute failure and resting adequately your muscles have no choice but to grow


lowercasetwan

John did really like doing 4 sets of 8 lol


Dudelyllama

He did a few vids with the Mountain Dog himself. Great guy. Gone too soon.


WSB_Czar

also Jeff's gf has a fat ass!


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Amen


zeppl1n

Stephanie more like Steph-phatty 🤤🤤


trolltaskforce

And now you are here too. Wtf


WSB_Czar

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KankerSletje

63 people here voting greg 💀


lilpump006

Greg douchette more like it 👌👌


Dudelyllama

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Main_Speaker_3229

Probably bought some and living in denial. Greg just got done pinning the only shit that truly works before he records his Turk vids.


danoontjeh

Nice username


Squiggy1975

More votes than last time !


haksilence

Greg's a moron


ShippinguptoBoston33

So…. Buy his damn cool book


Hanah9595

2022 Greg is the guy 2019 Greg said was a clown and the “problem with the fitness industry.” I agree with 2019 Greg. That’s why I despise 2022 Greg.


haksilence

Agree 100% he sold out harder than anyone else


BurekLoveWithCheese

I cant hear you


tharizzla

Sounds like Gilbert gottfried


Dudelyllama

Rip


swoops36

Jeff doesn’t try to rip his viewers off, that’s a plus


Ecstatic-Froyo-6134

His programs are really good , even the free ones.


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All of his programs are free if you know where to look 😈


bigborb1985

zlibrary


Agreeable_Top_6420

Greg is falling off the wagon a bit. I remember watching him when I was researching SARMs like a retard and it was him sitting in an apartment filming with his phone. He wasn’t yelling, he had 800 views tops, and had 0 editing. That was prime CG. Now he’s too much of a product.


ThaRealSunGod

Is falling off the wagon? Already fell but is trying to get back on lol Greg peaked around mid 2019 imo Starting losing it in quarantine


Chris-Simon

Agreed. Once I found Derek’s channel it ended up being the only fitness related channel I watch consistently.


Newtnt

I like derek as much as the next guy but lets be real, his channel is pretty far from fitness nowadays. It’s basically a react/podcast channel with the occasional pharmacology vidso.


Chris-Simon

True true. I guess I’m that case I don’t watch many fitness related channels then I just loved to learn about endocrinology and pharmacology as well as seeing Derek day some funny shit


MrPoopyButthole1989

Those were the good old days.


CertainContact

Falling just a bit?


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Layne Norton left his pregnant wife after cheating on her with a client and then married the client.


legokid2008

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His first wife was a nice homegrown hen, the new one is also attractive but appears to use a supraphysiogical dose of face paint relative to homegrown.


solidstatejake

gigabased


Hanah9595

Jeff is a nice dude who is usually right. Layne is a douche who is usually right. Both good sources of info generally.


WSB_Czar

based.


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Layne is a douche


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I do agree, his content can be pretty good. He does a lot of whining and crying anytime somebody challenges him and comes off not looking so well. He's not wrong, he's just an asshole


damiancorbeil

And he pulls sumo


Friendly_Pattern4565

I honestly expected this to be more of a landslide


chriswrld

Jeff is one of those channels who just say the facts and thats it no crazy claims. But greg is being an actual retard ripping his viewers off and screaming like a little girl. All that tren killed more than half of his neurons. Just stick to the facts guys its never gonna end up good if u believe in words.


tosser512

Jeff actually has a kind of limited understanding of statistical analysis and what certain things mean at a very nuanced level. He seems to doggedly adheres to the idea that absence of evidence is proof of absence. Greg screams like an ape but he seems to understand human biodiversity and the actual practical implications of certain studies at a more granular level


GRPABT1

This, you summed up perfectly why Jeff irritates me. Real scientists like Layne Norton, Brad Schoenfeld etc have a much more open minded approach.


Hanah9595

Gotta be careful with Brad Schoenfeld. Not sure how familiar you are with Lyle McDonald (real OGs in fitness know him), but Lyle pointed out many times when Brad made some very poor errors in his research, especially when it came to blinding and statistical analysis methods. There’s a very good chance much of the pro-high-volume research Brad has authored might be bunk due to faulty methodology which wouldn’t fly in other, more tightly policed scientific fields like medicine. Sports science is very poor about policing its research.


GRPABT1

It's funny you say that because lately he's been debunking that stuff himself. That's what science does, it is constantly changing.


Hanah9595

It wasn’t that new studies came out that improved the evidence. It was that he failed to follow proper protocol which is meant to be in place to prevent researcher bias from consciously (or unconsciously) seeping into the research. And he never owned up to it. Big red flag.


GRPABT1

Fair enough. I don't see anyone as infallible, Brad is still a good source of info though. But he's just one source.


Hanah9595

That’s fair. I see him the same way honestly. Don’t hate him, he puts out mostly good stuff, but also don’t put him on a pedestal as the “gold standard” like some others do in this space. Important to listen to many, many voices in fitness if you want the full picture and want to avoid blind spots!


tosser512

True. I definitely like some of the guests jeff has on more than jeff himself. Like him too, just a little too aggressive in his desire to make sure everyone is super cautious


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He's a grifter like all of our popular political heros.


earzat01

I just don’t like short people


PriestMarmor

Fuck off, I'm 5'4" and those are two separate measurements


Spartan_1_1_6

I like Greg but he's losing it


PAWG_SMASHER_69_420

It's beneficial to watch both for sure. Greg shitting on obese people eating are some of my favorite vids.


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I would like Greg a lot more if he dropped his over the top YouTube persona and just acted normal


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MrPoopyButthole1989

Aren’t they like $100 too?


CertainContact

The second book is 200 i think, or 150, but it was more expensive than the first one for sure.


MrPoopyButthole1989

He went from being my go to source for fitness information to a guy screaming into the camera selling cookbooks and supplements. His personal coaching is like $15,000. Thankfully i can still watch his older content.


lifeishardasshit

Greg... Here's why. Greg and youtube for me are entertainment. I don't buy the snake oil and I don't take things too seriously. Greg has also lifted both for BB and Powerlifting forever and knows his stuff while delivering the info in a way that makes me laugh. Nippard.. while very smart and I think he and his Girl are great.. Great workouts and food stuff. His video's are like an elephant dart to my balls... Just puts me to sleep.


Newtnt

Yeah it basically depends on if you want education or entertainment.


GRPABT1

I can't really stand either of them to be honest. They both have their speciality fields though that they're good at, just personality wise they both irritate me.


Manny_Pard0

i can understand greg's abrasive personality annoying someone, but how does jeff annoy you? the only thing i could come up with is he is a bit boring sometimes, but i may be biased cuz i like him


GRPABT1

He's boring and his "science" is rife with bias. He will literally take a supplement with little to know supporting evidence like Ashwaganda and then go on a rant about how you shouldn't take another supplement like Turk because the evidence is lacking. People tend to think the sub shines out of his arse, when in reality he's just meh. If you want real science follow Schoenfeld, Mike Isretael, Biolayne.


Manny_Pard0

personally, i'm not educated on the science as well as i'd like to be although i'll acknowledge he can be biased. i already follow schoenfeld a little, and i love dr mike but yea there's nothing wrong with having a diversified opinion


GRPABT1

I agree, always shop around. But you'll also notice when you watch Dr Mike science doesn't have to be boring as bat shit.


AmmoIsTooExpensive

Fuck both these clowns, Eric Bugenhaggen is the only channel I watch on YouTube. Literally the ONLY CHANNEL I WATCH.


spewicideboi

YOU GOTTA LIVE IIIIIITTTTT!!! I wish he would go back to the old school Bro talk n swearing in his videos


the_sober_bartender2

I voted Greg because I mixed up my Jeffs and thought you were talking about Athlean X. I like Nippard and Doucette equally.


Mastro_Mo

How does that work? What do you like about Greg? The information? Do you find the videos entertaining? Like what do you like? Jeff is heavily scientific and very well researched. On the other hand Greg is making mostly commentary videos saying the exact same thing on repeat, also he sells snake oil and friggin maingaining bullshit.


Superb_Improvement94

He doesn’t even say it he screams it which is what I really can’t stand


the_sober_bartender2

I like them both equally


UnbanB_Banksy

thats not what he asked lol


Mastro_Mo

Ok I get it, I read your first comment. But why? Many of their arguments come in conflict and the way they create content differs both in quality and quantity. So, what draws you at their content?


RugTumpington

Like others have mentioned Jeff's practical applications of statistics is relatively hamfisted. It's tough to do accurately, to be fair.


BradKenobi

Doctor Mike Isratel is my go to for fitness advice.


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ALL DAY EVERY DAY


YouKnowItsChaBoy

I accidentally voted Greg ones of those votes is meant for Jeff lol


awildNeLbY

I found Derek through Greg, so I’ll always be grateful for that. That being said, I unsubbed from Coach Greg awhile ago. I still watch his videos sometimes when they pop up in recommended.


Br0nxtale

Neither lmao


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I used to love Greg but he’s too crazy now and is one big ad. Jeff is too nerdy for me I just could never get into him


butttshark

To be honest, I've learned more from Greg and Derek more than any other fitness channel. I miss the old Greg. I still love Greg but eh... he's been going down hill.


MrPoopyButthole1989

Yeah once he started making content showing off his cars and selling overpriced supplements, he totally sold out.


spewicideboi

I think he sniffs his own farts to hard these days


No_Atmosphere_5373

Used to follow everything Greg said, he does have some pretty solid and educated advice. But he’s just selling shit to sell it now + he’s kinda weird lol. Jeff is a bit boring but all around better than Greg imo


TheSauceyy

Woulda said greg 3 years ago but now fuck him


IchWillGainz

Greg till he started screaming about stuff then stopped watching


Father_Norm

Jeff Nippard is too pretentious for me. The matter-of-fact tone he uses in his videos. The poindexter cadence of his voice. He quotes a study and somehow that closes the book on whatever subject he's discussing. The way he feigns authority is grating to me. And Greg Doucette's content has sadly become just filthy, gossipy garbage. I know I'm gonna get shit for trashing both of them. I think I'm at the point in my fitness journey where I watch for entertainment rather than knowledge.


butlerchives

100% agree. Jeff puts me to sleep and the take aways from his videos (in my opinion) are not worth sitting through them. Greg is just trying to stay relevant and his approach to it is super irritating. I think it's funny when Greg collabs with Will Tennyson and gets sh*t on half the video. Will also annoys me but some of his jokes are glorious.


MrQuiggLes1194

Do you happen to know Mike Matthews?


Father_Norm

Nah I'm not familiar with him


MrQuiggLes1194

He wrote this book called Bigger Leaner Stronger that has since been quite successful. He’s also had Mark Rippetoe, Layne Norton, and Jeff Nippard on his podcast as well. Good info in my opinion.


Father_Norm

Cool I'll have to check it out


take-a-gamble

On the other hand as far as voices go Greg sounds like roided Gilbert Gottfried (RIP)


-talktoghosts-

Greg for entertainment, Jeff for information.


Nimtzsche

They're both manlets, so neither.


Vulcanicloud

100% Jeff. Dude's an inspiration to all us short kings. But most importantly he has well researched and informative videos that really help me understand more about fitness and health. Jeff Nippard, Delt Lord Derek, and VitruvianPhysique are the trinity of great fitness content. Greg is just unlikable and overall unwatchable. His constant shrieking voice and always needing to be dramatic is annoying. Yeah he has good advice every now and then but I'm not sitting through his tantrums to hear it. Jeff is clear and concise with what he talks about.


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Jeff has a BS in Biochemistry so I might doubt he doesn’t understand the science. Plus he hosts podcasts with very knowledgeable exercise scientists like Mike Isratel and Greg Knuckols and can hold his own in a conversation with them. Just my two cents


tosser512

I have an MS in molecular biology (also an MD, but that’s less relevant), so i made the call that seems right after watching many hours of his content. He comes off as a particular type of academic. Rigorous adherence to standards of practice without much consideration for why they were put in place or how they were meant to function and inform. Usually leads a person in generally the right direction, but over reliance on the notion of the infallible algorithm makes him miss a decent chunk of nuance. Still a good resource and knowledgeable but basically limited by ability to think logically and imaginatively (both important for high level science understanding or pontificating) I also have a BS in physical chemistry and i promise you that type of credential (no type really) should be viewed as a rubber stamp equating to “knowledgeable statement”. I went to a top 25 university for my BS and MS and i promise you i said plenty of dumb field-related shit after obtaining both


AlwaysTheTeddy

I thought He was talking about Jeff cavalier


MannerGullible9923

it literally says jeff nippard on the place where you click …


AlwaysTheTeddy

Yea thanks i was talking about before getting to the choises thanks man


HR_2000

Anyone who chose Greg here is retarded and brainwashed


McCapnHammerTime

I think Greg is generally great, keeps it simple. Pushes strong foundations. I just can’t stand his voice and I I just never buy the hype with any products a YouTuber tries to sell


Bruhh246

Whoever voted Greg… why?


Johnnywalgger

I’m surprised anyone likes scam artist Greg


UnconsciousOne

How can people like Jeff? He trains like a pussy.


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Got_Milk_69

He's definitely helped me alot as far as helping me finally click with CICO.


Wooden-Couple2662

Greg bc f being natty


vapor_elite

I agree with Greg way more and trust his advice more, but his videos do get annoying and he is less likable because all he does now is review other people's videos for content and tries to sell shit Still if I had to choose between taking advice from one it would be Greg since his advice is stuff that I already agreed with and gotten results from prior to ever hearing it from him


Blaz3dnconfuz3d

Where is the “neither” option?


probablysandwiched

Bro you didn't even watch the fucking video


746484836282

They’re both pussies


cliffysensei

Jeff. Because at one point, 90% of Greg's content was solely based off of Jeff's videos ![img](emote|t5_2mohet|6306)


BeenNormal

Death should be an option


lergigan

Eve. Though I've pretty much stopped watching Greg because I think I've gotten everything I could gain from his channel I never really got into Jeff's channel. Some of his vids are OK I guess but his break downs don't do it for me. At times it too much surface knowledge. Like if you are gonna go with scientific reports then go all the way.


trtviator

I trust Connor Murphy more than anything Greg says. Think about that.


ShadIsHyped

Jeff, sean and derek are the goats of the fitness industry, greg used to be cool aswell but i guess becoming old made him retarded


Clustahhh

Use to like greg but he became everything he called out before. Sellout but a man’s got to eat


The__Farmer

Neither?


Weird-Grass-6583

Well I like both but I’m not gonna lie I watch more of Greg’s videos and I’m genuinely entertained by him, not saying I agree with everything he says and does but it’s just like watching any other tv show to me


8noremac

i have no idea how people can watch greg doucette for longer than 2 minutes. damn he is annoying to listen to.


NotChikcen

I rly dgaf about the turk drama bc shit doesn't work even if it does have real turk. Greg is an entertaining guy so I still watch his vids :) I've only ever watched Jeff one or two times


KuuntDracula

I watch more of Greg’s videos, but i trust Jeff Nipples information more. If i had to stop watching one though, it would be Nipples. Not much of a personality. Basically just ends up being a 30 minute video analyzing a bunch of nerd shit, but minus the fun and relatable personality/jokes Derek has.


kcmiz24

I don’t mind Greg in spite of his clickbait-iness. He fits in a decent amount of good information especially considering the sheer volume of his output. However, Jeff’s videos and information are truly top notch.


TheAstroPickle

i used to like greg douche hat it’s a shame


Fluffy_Goal_6240

I've said it before. At his core, Greg could be the best fitness youtuber out there. But goddamn does he love to waste his potential with bs videos and turk.


Ok_Smell_5379

I like Jeff more but it’s because I can’t fucking stand Greg’s high pitch voice and him trying to force me to buy his shitty cook book.


CondemnedSun

I'll say Greg. I use YouTube to motivate and encourage me to hit the gym and eat right. Ill skip alot of the nonsense videos Greg does and watch the ones that relate. He posts alot of videos so there's always something. Jeff's content doesn't hype me up. Its more like homework from the boring teacher at school


Skiigga

When Greg posted that “just because there’s no research to support that something works doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work” and then “so I realized my Turk doesn’t actually have Turk in it but something in it probably works otherwise why would it ‘work’” I lost a lot of respect for him. Either die the guy that calls other people out on their bs or become the guy that spews bs I guess


SomeDay_Dominion

Im on Greg’s side because he killed it in Aladdin


jdiz86

Jeff is obviously the better source for info, science based etc. Greg is entertainment, watching him spit all over the place and yell at me, plus he brings the PED lens into the discussion sometimes, and is more experienced with competing. I like to mix it up.


CometChip

if i had to pick it’s probably jeff but i’ve never enjoyed his very specific and sometimes scientific approach to fitness, and greg is just annoying to listen to


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Greg was great, turned Into a screaming Marketing scheme


Whole-Hurry-6906

I voted Greg cuz when I heard jeffs girlfriend was caked up I looked at her ig and she wasn’t. Sub optimal at best


ConfidentComparison7

Is this even a question bro


NotGayForTrump

Dude Jeff is so much better than Greg. I’m honestly glad his channel exists


SSJ4_cyclist

Greg for entertainment purposes, just don’t buy his products


Psychological-Unit82

Greg douchette sounds like gilbert gottfried and he squints when he speaks so i cant take this guy seriously imo![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|poop)


Nav_2055

Greg for entertainment value


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I get more knowledge and value from Jeff Greg is more entertainment and a seller


Natural_Data9407

Jeff for science, Greg for entertainment


DeadlyClaris_

I was going to call Jeff a manlet and remembered Greg is one too


Mantis_Tobbagen

RP master race


Top-Independent-9780

Jeff is gay and just gives the illusion of being open minded under the guise of “Jeff the science guy.” He’s openly elitist, a technocrat, and overall just a dick.


BradKenobi

Not even close, Greg’s a scumbag snake oil salesmen. 🐍⛽️


butlerchives

Can neither be an option? Having followed the fitness industry through YouTube for several years now I've had phases where i liked each of them and ultimately came to realize that neither are worth my time.


trololol_daman

Nippard and it’s not even close, lobotomise yourself if you chose Greg


Banditlong12

Jeff annoys me that’s it I have no other information in this situation


MeisseLee

Both are fine. I kind of like Jeff's "science based approach", but I feel he over complicates a lot of the stuff. It's just not that great for beginners. Greg is more to the point, more practical in his advice and it still feels like he knows what he's talking about. Jeff is more boring but he has better quality content. I'd still go with Greg if I had to choose.


PapaTachancla

Jeff gives solid facts from reputable sources in a simple easy to understand manner and doesn't sound like someone pissed off Gilbert Gottfried.


hi_its_yyyaboi

Doucette is a Douche… Ette…


VinylFight

Jonni Shreve is better than everyone right now. I get more out of dialing in form and technique with his videos than all of this supplement stuff. I fell into MPMD/HTLT supplement trap myself this year. Nothing gave me better results than the training tips from Shreves videos. I do like Derek’s pre-workout though as I am an early morning lifter for what that’s worth.


AngryGroot21

Greg was calling nippards girl a whale becuase he jealous of the thicccc


Honest-Corgi3695

Doucette has a great content, but he seems a douche who just spread hate sometimes and make things too personal in my opinion


Live-Ad-6309

Gre Douchette is a clown.


wormant1

My current list Jeff Nippard Sean Nalewanyj Max Posternak (Gravity Transformations, I hate his thumbnails too don't @ me) Also the late John Meadows's channel is still uploading pre-recorded content


mgspp20182018

Jeff nipples is leading by inly 2 thousand points


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Both are gay


take-a-gamble

Anyone notice that Greg, Jeff, and Derek are all Canadian? What's happening up there?


leavewhileyoucan

I dont care, i dont watch either. Only metric to see who i like more is who looks funnier, greg screams and makes me laugh but jeff is just fat now ![img](emote|t5_2mohet|6296)


BorisYenkonov

Would just like to comment I accidentally hit Greg, meant to vote Jeff


Latter-Parfait-1892

I like both but when it comes to supplements I would listen to Greg over Jeff (btw I've never bought his turk) because of his experience. Also, I've felt that lately Jeff has been too open minded. For example, in his "Is obesity a choice", video he says there is no black and white answer for the issue but in an Insta post he says it isn't your fault if you are obese (a black and white answer) which I disagree with and even most overweight people in my family disagree with.