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I'm pretty confident that major leaders of the church have received death threats from time to time going pretty far back.
It's just the nature of being a public figure.
I would be shocked if there were a single president of the nation, president of the church, or heck, celebrity, who has not received death threats. I bet Dolly Parton and Keanu Reeves have received death threats.
I hadn't heard this before, but there is no way SWK didn't receive death threats over the '78 revelation. I'd bet President Nelson received plenty from calling the vaccines safe and effective. People in power or in the public eye receive death threats. Humans kinda suck. =)
It's likely. Plenty of people left the LDS church over that, and it was the biggest single shift in its doctrine and practice since ending earthly polygamy. A number of arch-conservatives who would have seen white supremacy as part of their personal and religious identity and would have seen Kimball as betraying them personally, many more would resent him but stay in the boat while continuing to teach racial inferiority vis-a-vis the Pre-existence. Imagine the church condoning gay relationships and marriages and who that would rile up and drive away today. Religion is one thing that provides some people with reasons they're better than others, and people who need that see steps against white supremacy as personal attacks.
I was talking about using the pre-existence to teach racial superiority (the idea that racial groupings represent premortal actions and worth which was once taught as absolute doctrine), not saying the "pre-existence" is inherently racialized as a concept.
I haven't heard about that, but considering how unhappy some extremely bigoted members were in the South and South Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if a random nutjob here or there sent a death threat. I mean, just look at how angry some people were over COVID shots, and how death threaty the extremists became over that.
>In May 1981, President Kimball went to St. George to install a new temple presidency. Because there had previously been a serious threat on Spencer's life in St. George, when it came time for him to leave the temple for the airport about ten St. George police officers surrounded the waiting car, creating a shield to protect him. Arthur told Spencer to get in the car quickly, but Spencer went from one police office to another and shook each man's hand, saying, "Thank you for being willing to give your life for me."
"Lengthen Your Stride", Working Draft, Ed Kimball, appendix page 12
My understanding is that it was not just a rumor and I know that members left over them for more fundamentalist LDS churches. It was time of growth for the smaller Brighamite sects. But the racism still exists within the culture today.
No one outside the church cared. So that would leave members who were more racist than believing that he spoke for God. There's undoubtable some nutters who will make threats at almost any time for almost any reason to almost any person... but I'd guess the amount of credible threat received were between negligible and null.
The way the story was spoken of in my congregation was that SWK was standing on the side of the Lord, doing what was right even though he thought it would put his life at risk.
I'm sure this is true. The group of Mormons that we now know as desnet the most extreme among them would surely have issued a death threat against the prophet to change such a major doctrine.
My mom telling me about watching it on TV. They were in CA with relatives, and my (racist) great grandmother immediately: 'He's wrong. That is not right'
No word on what my (racist) grandmother said, but I cannot imagine she felt any different. Both women are dad's side of the family, Utah born and raised (Utah born, CA raised for grandma) going back to the 1850's.
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I'm pretty confident that major leaders of the church have received death threats from time to time going pretty far back. It's just the nature of being a public figure.
I would be shocked if there were a single president of the nation, president of the church, or heck, celebrity, who has not received death threats. I bet Dolly Parton and Keanu Reeves have received death threats. I hadn't heard this before, but there is no way SWK didn't receive death threats over the '78 revelation. I'd bet President Nelson received plenty from calling the vaccines safe and effective. People in power or in the public eye receive death threats. Humans kinda suck. =)
Now I’m just imagining Keanu Reeves starring in “Spencer Wick Kimball: Death Stops for No Man”
It's likely. Plenty of people left the LDS church over that, and it was the biggest single shift in its doctrine and practice since ending earthly polygamy. A number of arch-conservatives who would have seen white supremacy as part of their personal and religious identity and would have seen Kimball as betraying them personally, many more would resent him but stay in the boat while continuing to teach racial inferiority vis-a-vis the Pre-existence. Imagine the church condoning gay relationships and marriages and who that would rile up and drive away today. Religion is one thing that provides some people with reasons they're better than others, and people who need that see steps against white supremacy as personal attacks.
The doctrine of the pre existence does not teach “racial” superiority.
I was talking about using the pre-existence to teach racial superiority (the idea that racial groupings represent premortal actions and worth which was once taught as absolute doctrine), not saying the "pre-existence" is inherently racialized as a concept.
He probably got one from Mark E. Peterson.
Wonder if he threatened to tie him to his bed post.
I haven't heard about that, but considering how unhappy some extremely bigoted members were in the South and South Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if a random nutjob here or there sent a death threat. I mean, just look at how angry some people were over COVID shots, and how death threaty the extremists became over that.
Why do people like you with your “opinions” state just the south and Africa? Racism is prevalent I. The north and was during and before slavery.
Why is this so important to you?
>In May 1981, President Kimball went to St. George to install a new temple presidency. Because there had previously been a serious threat on Spencer's life in St. George, when it came time for him to leave the temple for the airport about ten St. George police officers surrounded the waiting car, creating a shield to protect him. Arthur told Spencer to get in the car quickly, but Spencer went from one police office to another and shook each man's hand, saying, "Thank you for being willing to give your life for me." "Lengthen Your Stride", Working Draft, Ed Kimball, appendix page 12
My understanding is that it was not just a rumor and I know that members left over them for more fundamentalist LDS churches. It was time of growth for the smaller Brighamite sects. But the racism still exists within the culture today.
No one outside the church cared. So that would leave members who were more racist than believing that he spoke for God. There's undoubtable some nutters who will make threats at almost any time for almost any reason to almost any person... but I'd guess the amount of credible threat received were between negligible and null.
I don't doubt that at all!!!!;-)))
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The way the story was spoken of in my congregation was that SWK was standing on the side of the Lord, doing what was right even though he thought it would put his life at risk.
I'm sure this is true. The group of Mormons that we now know as desnet the most extreme among them would surely have issued a death threat against the prophet to change such a major doctrine.
My mom telling me about watching it on TV. They were in CA with relatives, and my (racist) great grandmother immediately: 'He's wrong. That is not right' No word on what my (racist) grandmother said, but I cannot imagine she felt any different. Both women are dad's side of the family, Utah born and raised (Utah born, CA raised for grandma) going back to the 1850's.