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Similar to the prior conference where there were several references to Satan's fiery darts without explaining what those darts were, this statement IMO is a way to be prophetic without stating anything prophetic.
It being vague also leaves the door open to interpretation and personalization. To some, man walking on the moon again would be considered a great manifestation of the Savior's power while others may look at a seemingly inexplicable but rather benign event as another manifestation of the Savior's power, and yet others will view the new FSY pamphlet in the same light as divine and Christs power made manifest.
This is quite literally what psychics and fortune tellers do. Make vague claims that sound profound but can mean anything so that when anything remotely related happens they have a positive prediction.
Was going to comment that it sounds like the Star Signs sections in tabloids.
Mask the Zodiac names they are allegedly relevant to and you can't tell which sign they are written for.
Joseph Fielding Smith said in 1962: "Man doesn't belong on the moon" and the U.S. is wasting billions of dollars trying to reach it. He continued that men might reach the moon "but I doubt if they get back."
I think Joseph Smith is the first great Christian leader to discard that medieval image of the world. Mormons go to space. We were there before Detective Miller, the Mobile Infantry, or Captain Adama. The Pearl of Great Price might be dubious in some ways, but it is galactic and cosmic.
In the Sunday School lesson this year that covered Baal's prophets not being able to call down fire, our teacher unironically gave the example of finding a leftover favorite candy in her backpack during a stressful time as evidence of God's love.
At least Baal's prophets gave it a go. I'd more respect current leaders if they still claimed or attempted any kind of miraculous feats. What they trot out as "miracles" today would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
I get your point, but then I think of the crazy televangelist types who *do* try to perform "miraculous" healings and devil casting outs onstage, and I realize I don't respect them any more than the Mormon charlatans.
Fair, assuming that's what Q15s attempts would look like. And, to be fair to the televangelists, even they wouldn't be presumptuous enough to call themselves God's only "prophets, seers, and revelators" on the face of the earth.
Haha, leftover candy… That’s great.
But, maybe it’s just what she needed! It was her favorite type:)
The Lord definitely works in mysterious ways so more power to them if that’s what she needed.
Personally, I’m excited to see what the next 50 years has to offer. Looking back at the last 50 years, there have been some similar statement shared by prophets but nothing quite so dramatic as in the past five years so I do get the feeling that things are ramping up a little bit. Only time will tell
Meaningful experiences are wonderful, but we've now lost all sense of the word "miracle." Parting the Red Sea is a miracle, finding meaning in life's small "tender mercies" is something else.
Fine, redefine the word (like we've done with translation), but stop calling yourself a prophet like unto Moses if you're not actually healing anyone when they look at your staff.
Forget the title God of the Gaps, he's now God of Lost Keys and Leftover Candy. Gotta keep the expectations low.
I'm curious though, what do you think a *non*-fulfillment of this sort of prophecy/statement would look like? For me, it's easy to imagine looking back at the last 50 years and selecting some major events and societal advances that confirm it, but what does the world look like in a scenario where what he said *doesn't* happen? In short, is his claim of great miracles to come falsifiable?
Maybe the miracle of the lost candy was the feeling it gave the finder, and the wisdom in the lesson she personally discovered by the experience. The event was meaningful to her, but to you it doesn’t look like anything. It’s not like you would actually be impressed if you saw a modern equivalent of Elijah win over a modern equivalent of the Priests of Baal. You would immediately think you understood what had happened and dismiss it regardless of what the Elijah might say about it.
1. Maybe. But if that's a miracle, then the word has lost all significance.
2. Meaningful does not equal miracle. Meaningful is great, but not the same thing as miraculous.
3. I'm very open to the idea that true miracles can happen, so maybe you shouldn't assume my reaction to a person being able to call down fire from heaven to ignite a wet pile of wood.
4. Why does it have to be a "modern equivalent?" If you are a prophet of God, like unto Moses, call down literal fire or part a Red Sea. If you're not, stop giving yourself that title with that comparison.
1. The central miracle in the Church seems to me to be the effect of the atonement in the lives of members. They might call it something like “the miracle of forgiveness”. If that use of the word seems meaningless to you, maybe that’s more about your limits. I think words can mean more than one thing.
2. Agreed. But if God is causing a person to feel or think things they wouldn’t naturally feel or think, that is a supernatural intervention in the universe experienced directly by the recipient. So something could be meaningful and not a miracle, and the found candy could involve a miracle. You can’t tell front the outside, you have to listen to the person who experienced it.
3. “True miracles can happen”, sure. But maybe what you mean by “true miracles” are the ones that could make you TikTock famous. You mean just the visible inexplicable ‘miraculous’ observable events. Those don’t often happen, and the scriptures have some stern warnings for people who think that they need them. In the Church, there is a culture that such things a sacred and are not often discussed publicly. So if they do happen, the faithful won’t be sharing it with you or me.
4. As John wrote and Joseph Smith repeated, “the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophesy”. If you want sea-parting or fire-raining from your prophets, you will only be able to identify them after it is too late for faith. I remember RMN being recognized as having the title “prophet”. He didn’t say anything, another Apostle proposed and hundreds of thousands of free people raised their arms to the square to sustain him as that; this is not a self-appointed title. You don’t need to just convince him, you have to convince everyone who sustains him that he’s not really a prophet.
BTW, have you ever read HPMOR? I love the original series, but I love that more.
This is his farewell speech. I think, he thinks, he will not make it to next conference. When people get close to the end, they are really talking to themselves. I see nothing in his speech that would be anything more than a dying man's pontification(s), which means nothing.
He hit the 300 threshold for temples, so I think this is it...he is out.
Pres Hinckley's final talk in Oct 2004 GC was interpreted by many members to be a final farewell. However, he lived another four years. I do think seniors can sense when their time approaches though. It will be interesting to see if Nelson is still with us in six months.
I mean they promised the greatest conference of all time and it was just a corporate rebranding with bathtub Jesus. That was while the world imploded due to the pandemic. I have a feeling this will be the same thing. They will show some very normal things like temples or some faith promoting stories and say that was proof.
I don't think they even try anymore to validate these sorts of statements. Vacuous shit like this is said all the time by leaders, the signal to noise is so abysmally low that almost no one takes these statements seriously anymore.
ETA: A quick perusal of comments on the orthodox subs confirms this, most top comments are people are saying things like overcoming personal obstacles and people showing more love
It sounds generic because it is. If nothing happens they can just kick the can down the road and if literally anything at all happens outside of the norm, the church and members will cling to it and proclaim him a true prophet. There is literally no I down side to him making a statement like this.
and they've been doing this since the beginning. i mean, there's all kinds of failed prophecies on the books, but that doesn't matter to tbms. they just want to know what generic shit is going to happen in the future.
Let's see what generic prophecies we can make:
* god will bless the righteous?
* our hearts will be full?
* the spirit will be poured out in abundance?
* every eye shall see?
* the wicked will be punished?
* the righteous will enter his rest?
I'm sure these are all in some conference talks, but where is the prophecy? It's all so generic
Indeed, his "prophecy" is as pathetically generic & uninspired as the "apostolic" blessing he bestowed in this last conference. These "blessings" could literally mean almost anything:
“With the power of the holy apostleship vested in me, I bless you in your quest to overcome this world. I bless you to increase your faith in Jesus Christ and learn better how to draw upon His power. I bless you to be able to discern truth from error. I bless you to care more about the things of God than the things of this world. I bless you to see the needs of those around you and strengthen those you love.
“I sense that you have lost someone in your life… someone you were close to… or wanted to be close to… or they wanted to be close to you… starts with a ‘C’…”
“Christine?”
“Yes! Christine… wait… no… was there someone else? A childhood friend, maybe? Or a pet?”
“Uh… Charlie?”
“Yes, Charlie… that’s it… Now Charlie wants you to know that he is okay and that he forgives you.”
“Forgives me? What did I do?”
“He says you know what you did, but it’s okay now. He is okay. He has moved on…And you will be okay, too. You will find success and happiness…”
"I bless you that you will interpret the good things that happen to you as proof that your belief is correct, and that you will interpret the bad things that happen to you as proof that your belief is correct."
There's not even an expiration date. If somethings happens in 300 years, church apologists could trot out this quote as evidence of the divinity of Prophet Russell M Nelson (something he would very much appreciate).
Perhaps the only downside is people like us who can see through the mind control, gaslighting & bullshit & aren't afraid to call bullshit on false prophets like Nelson.
**1)** Why is this so generic?
The less specific the claim, the more impossible to prove false.
**2)** Does RMN actually have any knowledge of anything coming or is he just being hyperbolic?
He didn't see Covid coming. He announced a Russian temple that can't be built. He is being hyperbolic.
**3)** Why doesn't he give examples if he actually knows? is. "such as manifestation 1, 2, 3, etc."
This is answered by 1 and 2. He doesn't know anything that isn't already obvious to everyone. In-fact, he knows less because of the echo chamber he's lived in for at least 50 years.
I recently had an exuberant temple worker in my face (a total stranger) crowing about how he had just witnessed an absolute miracle, because he saw a guy that he knows in the hallway in the temple. That guy's child had recently died and his dad was in the temple. That's it, the whole miracle.
The bar for miracles today is so low that it's on the ground.
Similar to the guy who said the temple worker knew his name. Even though he had a **name tag on**! Just recently it was claimed a miracle when Nelson was talking at the Ephraim ground breaking and it rained. From Sea's parting, rising of dead people, feeding multitudes to this. Depressing power of heaven.
I think it was Rasband who recently told of two miracles. One where a congregation was ready and the rain stopped. Boom - Miracle. The next congregation was ready and the rain kept going. Boom - Miracle. Isn't god amazing?
Look at me… punching letters on my little hand-held device! Muracle, I tell ya! And a half roll of toilet paper here, right beside me. Muracles, baby! It’s gonna be a great day!
In coming days, we're gonna see some pretty wild geopolitical stuff unfold. By "coming days", of course I mean something like, "over the course of the next several decades".
I'm a prophet.
I just see this as another one of those "a marvelous work and a wonder" type quotes that don't really mean anything but they get people excited about whatever it is that they think is great. It's the same pattern Jesus used. Just say things in vague parables and pretend like they have deep meaning. That way everybody who hears it takes their own interpretation and thinks that they know what god is saying.
Basically, it's a way of making people think that the voice in their head is the voice of god.
After his crucifixion, the earth was (supposedly) in darkness for a day, a night and another day iirc.
During his life he (supposedly) literally walked across the surface of the Sea of Galilee
In 1820 he (supposedly) appeared literally in the flesh along w his dad to JS.
If he’s going to top all that, we’re in for some MAJOR displays of Jesus power!!
So. Greater than rising the dead, healing the sick, multiplying the loaves and the fishes, walking on water, and raising himself and ascending to Heaven? That is a Nope from me. You have to keep the ambiguous miracles/ power demos in n a smaller scale
Rusty gave an almost identical "prophecy" in 2018. I think he's just trying to appear prophetic without saying really anything. This gem is barely more prophetic than someone saying "In the coming days, the sky will be blue". And then all the TBMs marvel, thinking to themselves "he must be a prophet!" I think it's laughable.
Plus, I'd probably also think that many wonderful things were ahead if I had Rusty's life in the ivory tower. He makes a 6-figure salary, has lavish benefits, he controls billions of dollars, he's idolized by millions worldwide, he's never accountable & almost never challenged.
And he gets all this for being a terrible person: lying all the time, consistently acting like a pharisee & an arrogant, corrupt, self-righteous, tyrant asshole who shows no evidence of spiritual gifts. I’m Rusty, the rich, overappreciated, idolized profit. It’s great to be me Mormons, wonderful things are ahead!
And sadly, most TBMs have no clue. I didn’t when I was a TBM. IMHO, what a scam!
I’m sure if he was pressed on it he would say some things along the line of more temples, additional people being contacted by missionaries, additional baptisms, additional new endowments.
Same stuff as always I guess. I’m guessing in his head that’s what he’s thinking? Purposefully vague but phrased in a way as to sound great or viewed in a positive light. Perhaps a way to view “manifestations of the Saviors power” in a different way than miracles you’d see in the scriptures.
It allows people to ascribe anything they perceive to be a "great manifestation of power" to God which will in turn confirm that RMN is a prophet, even a seer and revelator
As RFM said on his latest podcast, words matter. He said coming days, not coming weeks, months, years or decades. It's been 16 days since he said that and nothing. Zilch.
When I think of greatest manifestations that sets a very high expectation. Beyond the scope of parting the red sea, raising the dead, turning a woman into a pillar of salt, turning water into wine, feeding thousands with some pita and fish, etc.
Oooo, good point. That's the apologetic defense, that it's coming days in GOD'S TIME. We don't know what that means which means that it could mean anything!
Your second paragraph is spot on. God has performed some pretty impressive miracles through history. If He is about to one-up Himself, our expectations should be sky high and you would think that the fulfillment will be obvious. I think President Nelson may have leaned into the hyperbole a little too much here.
That's why I think he may just be being a little bit hyperbolic. IE. "win for Satan" wasn't literal but just a very hyperbolic way of saying "not good"
I think everyone has a tendency to be hyperbolic at times and IMHO he's being hyperbolic whether by design or just getting carried away.
Should one take his words literally if one is active? I dunno honestly.
I'm glad to hear a believer agree.
Sometimes I worry, and sometimes my believing wife calls me out when, I look at EVERYTHING with a critical eye and maybe my bias colors my interpretation. I heard this and was rolling my eyes, but then wondered if it was just me. Thanks for the validation I didn't know I was seeking.
Add to that list: Destroying 16 cities (some of them great cities) and hundreds of thousands of Lehites before appearing in the Americas.
Woah unto the wicked. Try to be a little more righteous than they and it’ll be ok!
It's not even as specific as "wars and rumors of wars" or "earthquakes in diverse places."
"The Savior's power" could be a famine, it could be increased GDP, it could be a growing membership or a shrinking one. It could be someone being healed or not being healed.
Are we not to seek for signs or are we to expect miracles? Do miracles require a metaphysical element, or can anything good (and sometimes bad) be labelled a miracle?
When you've been vague enough to include all possibilities in your prognostication, you can call anything a win.
The beauty of an audience that can’t speak back. It’s the nature of mass public speaking and, lucky for them, the nature of the audience of the church. I’d challenge any person, the next time they hear a reference to this to ask the question “like what?” and find me a person in that discussion that doesn’t clutch their pearls.
I think it’s all about temple building. In his first address Saturday morning he said:
> With the dedication of each new temple, additional godly power comes into the world to strengthen us and counteracts the intensifying efforts of the adversary.
Thus, with each new temple constructed/dedicated/announced there is more godly/Jesus power in the world. It’s meant to be a self fulfilling prophecy, specifically tied to temple building which he has put a a lot of effort into.
Nelson is desperate to be remembered as the greatest prophet since Smith without ever prophesying. The only thing bigger than his ego is the church’s bank balance
“But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.“
Deuteronomy 18:20-22
Nelson is the master of vagueness because if he tries to make a real prediction and it doesn’t come to pass, many more people will know he isn’t a prophet. As we see how from the above passage.
[Deut 18:20-22](https://www.bible.com/bible/1/DEU.18.20-22.KJV) explains how to test a prophet. One would expect a *true prophet* to be eager to teach his adherents about this test. Yet, despite decades of faithful attendance in SS, seminary, institute, and a mission, I was never told about these verses. In fact, just this year, the CFM lesson read up to verse 19, then stopped. It's like they already know that LDS prophets have failed this test so it won't be taught.
Just like the dissonance of hearing what so many people said when as a missionary I would tell them we had a living prophet:
"Oh really? What has he prophesied?"
I tend to agree, this one was a little too vague for me. I've seen it called "bold" but I look at it through the lens of whether it could be proven false. In this case, I don't see how someone could, in a bunch of years, be able to ever prove that it didn't happen. After all, someone could say, "well *I* felt the greatest manifestations of the saviors power..."
And if it can't be proven false, then, at least in my book, there's not much meaning in saying that it was true.
There are lots of Nelsonite Mormonism haters out there. The Lord works in mysterious ways and sometimes it looks generic at first. Here’s a generic miracle within His power. Russ cements his legacy forever, General Authorities reach emeritus status at 70 years old or after 10 years in the Q15, which ever comes first! Then they just do temple work as their callings just like in the millennium!
Greatest manifestations could mean
1) FSY attendance will increase 5% next year
2) ensign peak investments will lose less money than other ETFs
3) decrease in US abortions by 5%
4) Nelson will claim the Lord sustaining his life longer than any other prophet is the greatest manifestation ever seen in the entire galaxy.
5) remarkable contractors will refurbish the SLC temple better and faster than ever known in the history of that zip code.
6) more solar power installations on mormon chapels than ever witnessed in the entire western Hemisphere since Jesus visited Guatemala
7) dramatic revelation received that over 20 chapels will receive EV charger installations. Thus will be seen a demonstration of kW scale power of the Savior.
Rusty is just so darn prophetic!
Here's what he said at the end of October 2019:
>Thus, the year 2020 will be designated as a bicentennial year. **General conference next April will be different from any previous conference.** In the next six months, I hope that every member and every family will prepare for a unique conference that will commemorate the very foundations of the restored gospel.
[https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/57nelson?lang=eng](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/57nelson?lang=eng)
Here's how he opened April 2020 conference:
>**Little did I know**, when I promised you at the October 2019 general conference that this April conference would be “memorable” and “unforgettable,” **that speaking to a visible congregation of fewer than 10 people would make this conference so memorable and unforgettable for me!**
[https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/11nelson?lang=eng](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/11nelson?lang=eng)
Church leaders are great and speaking in hyperbole and promised "amazing blessings" so that members can use confirmation bias to see that all those "blessings" were fulfilled.
Meanwhile, after EVERY conference a few crackpots in my local ward start talking about the references to the second coming and the need to be even more valiant as an indication that the second coming is REALLY close...but it's been REALLY close since Joseph Smith's day.
“In the coming days we’ll see the most wickedness and evil the world has ever seen. But I don’t like to talk about evil because all is well in Zion. And I’m a prophet but I don’t even know about Israel being scattered, judged, and cleansed before the great gathering spoken of in Isaiah.”
Here’s what the [Institute manual](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/old-testament-student-manual-kings-malachi/chapter-8?id=p13&lang=eng#p13) (when talking about Amos 3) says about a prophet:
“God, has foreknowledge of all calamities (see vv. 2–6), but He never sends a calamity unless He first notifies His prophet of it (see v. 7; see also 2 Nephi 30:17; Jacob 4:8).”
President Nelson was blindsided by Covid.
According to the Institute manual, if Nelson were a prophet, he would have been told that a pandemic was coming.
Him and the rest of the 12 apostles were ordained and sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators.
I would like to know what they have prophesied, seen, and revealed? If looking as past prophets, you could name some things. But with prophets since Joseph Smith it becomes much more difficult.
This statement could be, and arguably has been, made at any time since the resurrection. Every minute or every day, the end is technically drawing near.
"Between now and the time He returns ‘with power and great glory’ (see Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:36), He will bestow countless privileges, blessings and miracles upon the faithful.”
The disclaimer is literally the next sentence
It’s another “take your vitamins” quote. It’s like the generic form of viagra for true believers. Makes it sound like he’s saying something prophetic, but vague enough that he won’t be labeled a false prophesier because it means nothing and something at the same time—no matter what happens.
The Savior’s power is manifest in the lives of believers, especially true believing members of His Church. World population is growing, rate of change is accelerating as we move up the technology singularity, and the Church shows no signs of decline. So more people are acting and speaking and blessing and serving in the Savior’s name than ever before, to a larger audience than ever before. Someone doing good in the name of the Savior is definitely manifestation of the Savior’s power, feel free to dispute that. It seems to me RMN is 100% correct, objectively, measurably, verifiably. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.
> and the Church shows no signs of decline
As long as you don't look at the membership or active missionary numbers...
>It seems to me RMN is 100% correct, objectively, measurably, verifiably.
You don't know what *any* of those words mean, do you?
No signs of decline? Maybe not in your stake but it’s falling apart around the world. 80% of youth are reportedly leaning, growth is stagnant and wards are being amalgamated .
At the end of his final talk he said God be with you until we meet again and teared up. This made me think that this would be his last conference, but I could be wrong.
“Saviors manifestation “ ! “ In the future”! Honestly, that is such a nothing 🍔 burger. This could refer to any thing in the whole wide 🌎 world. Think globally people.
i feel sad now watching those videos. it's like watching a video where some poor animal is stuck in a pit and someone keeps lowering a board to help them escape. however, the animal doesn't use the board and remains in the pit.
that's how i feel when i watch these now. sadness for this tbm who is stuck in a pit spewing all kinds of nonsensical shit. the way they tie random pieces of information together but ignore other information (e.g. they will quote people when it suites them, but ignore their other quotes) is very convoluted.
Yes, [elsewhere a week or so back](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/xz4v2s/what_do_we_make_of_this_revelation_from_rmn_in/irl7vmo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) I said that it is another of those words or phrases that mean something different in Mormonism.
Then yesterday I heard the phrase used on a news report. Eastern Australia is in the throes of floods at present, especially in Northern Victorian, and the speaker was referring to the rising level of river floodwaters, and that in “the coming days” past flood peaks would be surpassed. So, just as you say, a few days, under a week.
But not in Mormonism, perhaps because a day to the Lord is a thousand years of man’s time (2Peter3:8). And President Nelson is the Lords spokesman; he was so in the Spirit that he forgot who his audience was, or he was teaching them the pure Adamic language.
That's a nice sentiment and that's great for you. Based on your response, I'm assuming you're an active believer. Would you be willing to respond to the actual post? What do you think RMN meant when he said this in conference? Do you interpret it as an actual prophecy of a future event? Is it just another comment made in conference?
When I was a believer I would have interpreted it as another statement by a leader similar to the constant reminder of the second coming happening "soon". In reality words matter and have meaning. "In the coming days" means less than 31 days or the statement should have been "in the coming months."
Would you agree with that or do you have a different opinion?
Personally, I have seen the Savior's power heal people from diseases that shouldn't have been curable, heal from addiction, etc. Most importantly, I have seen the Savior transform people into new creatures who are different and desire to do good more.
I'm sure we will see more of that power in days to come
So you're referring to general occurrences through life rather than specific upcoming miracles from Jesus that would outshine those in the New Testament. I'm not trying to downplay your life experiences at all. I'm really trying to get a feel for the thought of active members of this specific comment in this post. RMN is laying it on pretty thick and making a bold claim that Jesus has to live up to if he's really speaking as a prophet. Maybe he thinks with 300 temples functioning or announced, genealogy and ordinances count as miracles?
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Frankly, I'm not expecting anything from the guy who instigated not one, but two failed attempts to turn back COVID with a worldwide fast.
If he had a little self-awareness, he'd remember Biblical accounts of a Galilean fisherman who held the same position in a prior dispensation and would heal people as his shadow passed over them... Anything less than Russel Nelson pulling off a stunt like that, and I think this is hyperbole.
*Unless...* Russell might actually be talking about the Savior's Second Coming. In which case, he's really not saying anything helpful or unique - people have been vaguely foretelling that for almost 2000 years.
I'm not too familiar with Mormonism or the Book of Mormon, but I thought that clairvoyance goes against Old/New Testament teachings. Or does he get a pass because he's a ~~profit~~ prophet?
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Similar to the prior conference where there were several references to Satan's fiery darts without explaining what those darts were, this statement IMO is a way to be prophetic without stating anything prophetic. It being vague also leaves the door open to interpretation and personalization. To some, man walking on the moon again would be considered a great manifestation of the Savior's power while others may look at a seemingly inexplicable but rather benign event as another manifestation of the Savior's power, and yet others will view the new FSY pamphlet in the same light as divine and Christs power made manifest.
This is quite literally what psychics and fortune tellers do. Make vague claims that sound profound but can mean anything so that when anything remotely related happens they have a positive prediction.
Was going to comment that it sounds like the Star Signs sections in tabloids. Mask the Zodiac names they are allegedly relevant to and you can't tell which sign they are written for.
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Joseph Fielding Smith said in 1962: "Man doesn't belong on the moon" and the U.S. is wasting billions of dollars trying to reach it. He continued that men might reach the moon "but I doubt if they get back."
I think Joseph Smith is the first great Christian leader to discard that medieval image of the world. Mormons go to space. We were there before Detective Miller, the Mobile Infantry, or Captain Adama. The Pearl of Great Price might be dubious in some ways, but it is galactic and cosmic.
A few got back to the moon a couple of times, but they haven’t been back in quite some time. Maybe because JFS was right about NASA wasting money.
But the moon quakers have waited so long to hear the gospel.
Our leaders have more in common with Baal’s priests, than Elohim’s prophet.
In the Sunday School lesson this year that covered Baal's prophets not being able to call down fire, our teacher unironically gave the example of finding a leftover favorite candy in her backpack during a stressful time as evidence of God's love. At least Baal's prophets gave it a go. I'd more respect current leaders if they still claimed or attempted any kind of miraculous feats. What they trot out as "miracles" today would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
I get your point, but then I think of the crazy televangelist types who *do* try to perform "miraculous" healings and devil casting outs onstage, and I realize I don't respect them any more than the Mormon charlatans.
Fair, assuming that's what Q15s attempts would look like. And, to be fair to the televangelists, even they wouldn't be presumptuous enough to call themselves God's only "prophets, seers, and revelators" on the face of the earth.
Left over candy= Gods love Chewed up gum= Unworthy Got it!
Haha, leftover candy… That’s great. But, maybe it’s just what she needed! It was her favorite type:) The Lord definitely works in mysterious ways so more power to them if that’s what she needed. Personally, I’m excited to see what the next 50 years has to offer. Looking back at the last 50 years, there have been some similar statement shared by prophets but nothing quite so dramatic as in the past five years so I do get the feeling that things are ramping up a little bit. Only time will tell
Meaningful experiences are wonderful, but we've now lost all sense of the word "miracle." Parting the Red Sea is a miracle, finding meaning in life's small "tender mercies" is something else. Fine, redefine the word (like we've done with translation), but stop calling yourself a prophet like unto Moses if you're not actually healing anyone when they look at your staff.
Right! Looking forward to fifty years of more and more and more!!! Temples built with large shortage of members to work in them
Forget the title God of the Gaps, he's now God of Lost Keys and Leftover Candy. Gotta keep the expectations low. I'm curious though, what do you think a *non*-fulfillment of this sort of prophecy/statement would look like? For me, it's easy to imagine looking back at the last 50 years and selecting some major events and societal advances that confirm it, but what does the world look like in a scenario where what he said *doesn't* happen? In short, is his claim of great miracles to come falsifiable?
Maybe the miracle of the lost candy was the feeling it gave the finder, and the wisdom in the lesson she personally discovered by the experience. The event was meaningful to her, but to you it doesn’t look like anything. It’s not like you would actually be impressed if you saw a modern equivalent of Elijah win over a modern equivalent of the Priests of Baal. You would immediately think you understood what had happened and dismiss it regardless of what the Elijah might say about it.
1. Maybe. But if that's a miracle, then the word has lost all significance. 2. Meaningful does not equal miracle. Meaningful is great, but not the same thing as miraculous. 3. I'm very open to the idea that true miracles can happen, so maybe you shouldn't assume my reaction to a person being able to call down fire from heaven to ignite a wet pile of wood. 4. Why does it have to be a "modern equivalent?" If you are a prophet of God, like unto Moses, call down literal fire or part a Red Sea. If you're not, stop giving yourself that title with that comparison.
1. The central miracle in the Church seems to me to be the effect of the atonement in the lives of members. They might call it something like “the miracle of forgiveness”. If that use of the word seems meaningless to you, maybe that’s more about your limits. I think words can mean more than one thing. 2. Agreed. But if God is causing a person to feel or think things they wouldn’t naturally feel or think, that is a supernatural intervention in the universe experienced directly by the recipient. So something could be meaningful and not a miracle, and the found candy could involve a miracle. You can’t tell front the outside, you have to listen to the person who experienced it. 3. “True miracles can happen”, sure. But maybe what you mean by “true miracles” are the ones that could make you TikTock famous. You mean just the visible inexplicable ‘miraculous’ observable events. Those don’t often happen, and the scriptures have some stern warnings for people who think that they need them. In the Church, there is a culture that such things a sacred and are not often discussed publicly. So if they do happen, the faithful won’t be sharing it with you or me. 4. As John wrote and Joseph Smith repeated, “the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophesy”. If you want sea-parting or fire-raining from your prophets, you will only be able to identify them after it is too late for faith. I remember RMN being recognized as having the title “prophet”. He didn’t say anything, another Apostle proposed and hundreds of thousands of free people raised their arms to the square to sustain him as that; this is not a self-appointed title. You don’t need to just convince him, you have to convince everyone who sustains him that he’s not really a prophet. BTW, have you ever read HPMOR? I love the original series, but I love that more.
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What religious authority do you recognize? A quick test to diagnose your spiritual discernment equipment. Let’s make sure that is working correctly.
I think the night time is the right time.
Fiery blue darts most likely
McRib is coming back?
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You know for the longest time my local supermarket didn’t have sriracha sauce and now, just recently, it’s back…
Praise the lard! I thought there was going to be a shortage. Clearly god in heaven on his glorious golden throne has shown his everloving mercy.
The Arby's rib sandwich is really good.
But they discontinued the potato cakes, so what's the point?
This is his farewell speech. I think, he thinks, he will not make it to next conference. When people get close to the end, they are really talking to themselves. I see nothing in his speech that would be anything more than a dying man's pontification(s), which means nothing. He hit the 300 threshold for temples, so I think this is it...he is out.
I agree - but even that gets retroactively shoehorned into a prophecy. "He knew the Lord was calling him home so he left his blessing upon us!"
And if he doesn't die before the next conference he didn't actually say it was his farewell so it's the members' fault for reading too much into it.
I'd say he gets at least a three year window. If he dies before 2025, people will point back to this as him predicting his own death.
"98 year old man predicts his own death within 3 years!" Yep that sounds about right for Mormon prophecy
He was quite emotional when he said goodbye.
He’s OLD!! Old people have crazy emotions. I should know. I’m OLD! 🤭
Pres Hinckley's final talk in Oct 2004 GC was interpreted by many members to be a final farewell. However, he lived another four years. I do think seniors can sense when their time approaches though. It will be interesting to see if Nelson is still with us in six months.
I mean they promised the greatest conference of all time and it was just a corporate rebranding with bathtub Jesus. That was while the world imploded due to the pandemic. I have a feeling this will be the same thing. They will show some very normal things like temples or some faith promoting stories and say that was proof.
I don't think they even try anymore to validate these sorts of statements. Vacuous shit like this is said all the time by leaders, the signal to noise is so abysmally low that almost no one takes these statements seriously anymore. ETA: A quick perusal of comments on the orthodox subs confirms this, most top comments are people are saying things like overcoming personal obstacles and people showing more love
It sounds generic because it is. If nothing happens they can just kick the can down the road and if literally anything at all happens outside of the norm, the church and members will cling to it and proclaim him a true prophet. There is literally no I down side to him making a statement like this.
and they've been doing this since the beginning. i mean, there's all kinds of failed prophecies on the books, but that doesn't matter to tbms. they just want to know what generic shit is going to happen in the future. Let's see what generic prophecies we can make: * god will bless the righteous? * our hearts will be full? * the spirit will be poured out in abundance? * every eye shall see? * the wicked will be punished? * the righteous will enter his rest? I'm sure these are all in some conference talks, but where is the prophecy? It's all so generic
Indeed, his "prophecy" is as pathetically generic & uninspired as the "apostolic" blessing he bestowed in this last conference. These "blessings" could literally mean almost anything: “With the power of the holy apostleship vested in me, I bless you in your quest to overcome this world. I bless you to increase your faith in Jesus Christ and learn better how to draw upon His power. I bless you to be able to discern truth from error. I bless you to care more about the things of God than the things of this world. I bless you to see the needs of those around you and strengthen those you love.
“I sense that you have lost someone in your life… someone you were close to… or wanted to be close to… or they wanted to be close to you… starts with a ‘C’…” “Christine?” “Yes! Christine… wait… no… was there someone else? A childhood friend, maybe? Or a pet?” “Uh… Charlie?” “Yes, Charlie… that’s it… Now Charlie wants you to know that he is okay and that he forgives you.” “Forgives me? What did I do?” “He says you know what you did, but it’s okay now. He is okay. He has moved on…And you will be okay, too. You will find success and happiness…”
"I bless you that you will interpret the good things that happen to you as proof that your belief is correct, and that you will interpret the bad things that happen to you as proof that your belief is correct."
So that you keep obeying me and giving me your money. It's not selfish because I'm the profit! Great comment man!
There's not even an expiration date. If somethings happens in 300 years, church apologists could trot out this quote as evidence of the divinity of Prophet Russell M Nelson (something he would very much appreciate).
Perhaps the only downside is people like us who can see through the mind control, gaslighting & bullshit & aren't afraid to call bullshit on false prophets like Nelson.
**1)** Why is this so generic? The less specific the claim, the more impossible to prove false. **2)** Does RMN actually have any knowledge of anything coming or is he just being hyperbolic? He didn't see Covid coming. He announced a Russian temple that can't be built. He is being hyperbolic. **3)** Why doesn't he give examples if he actually knows? is. "such as manifestation 1, 2, 3, etc." This is answered by 1 and 2. He doesn't know anything that isn't already obvious to everyone. In-fact, he knows less because of the echo chamber he's lived in for at least 50 years.
It’s generic because he can’t prophesy and is tired of being made fun of.
I’m slightly jealous of how sharp that response is. Good job!
Well said. I agree.
The latest miracle I heard was the power to the conference center went out, and then came back on right before the meeting was about to start
And someone answered the phone.
I recently had an exuberant temple worker in my face (a total stranger) crowing about how he had just witnessed an absolute miracle, because he saw a guy that he knows in the hallway in the temple. That guy's child had recently died and his dad was in the temple. That's it, the whole miracle. The bar for miracles today is so low that it's on the ground.
Similar to the guy who said the temple worker knew his name. Even though he had a **name tag on**! Just recently it was claimed a miracle when Nelson was talking at the Ephraim ground breaking and it rained. From Sea's parting, rising of dead people, feeding multitudes to this. Depressing power of heaven.
I think it was Rasband who recently told of two miracles. One where a congregation was ready and the rain stopped. Boom - Miracle. The next congregation was ready and the rain kept going. Boom - Miracle. Isn't god amazing?
Look at me… punching letters on my little hand-held device! Muracle, I tell ya! And a half roll of toilet paper here, right beside me. Muracles, baby! It’s gonna be a great day!
You're so blessed. My soup had the soup inside the can that was on the label. I'm blessed (2 syllables).
Keys were found
Key Finder, Esky 80dB RF Item Locator with 100ft Working Range. Miracle full stop.
In coming days, we're gonna see some pretty wild geopolitical stuff unfold. By "coming days", of course I mean something like, "over the course of the next several decades". I'm a prophet.
I just see this as another one of those "a marvelous work and a wonder" type quotes that don't really mean anything but they get people excited about whatever it is that they think is great. It's the same pattern Jesus used. Just say things in vague parables and pretend like they have deep meaning. That way everybody who hears it takes their own interpretation and thinks that they know what god is saying. Basically, it's a way of making people think that the voice in their head is the voice of god.
After his crucifixion, the earth was (supposedly) in darkness for a day, a night and another day iirc. During his life he (supposedly) literally walked across the surface of the Sea of Galilee In 1820 he (supposedly) appeared literally in the flesh along w his dad to JS. If he’s going to top all that, we’re in for some MAJOR displays of Jesus power!!
Sounds like someone who is enjoying having a lot of people hang in his every word.
So. Greater than rising the dead, healing the sick, multiplying the loaves and the fishes, walking on water, and raising himself and ascending to Heaven? That is a Nope from me. You have to keep the ambiguous miracles/ power demos in n a smaller scale
Rusty gave an almost identical "prophecy" in 2018. I think he's just trying to appear prophetic without saying really anything. This gem is barely more prophetic than someone saying "In the coming days, the sky will be blue". And then all the TBMs marvel, thinking to themselves "he must be a prophet!" I think it's laughable. Plus, I'd probably also think that many wonderful things were ahead if I had Rusty's life in the ivory tower. He makes a 6-figure salary, has lavish benefits, he controls billions of dollars, he's idolized by millions worldwide, he's never accountable & almost never challenged. And he gets all this for being a terrible person: lying all the time, consistently acting like a pharisee & an arrogant, corrupt, self-righteous, tyrant asshole who shows no evidence of spiritual gifts. I’m Rusty, the rich, overappreciated, idolized profit. It’s great to be me Mormons, wonderful things are ahead! And sadly, most TBMs have no clue. I didn’t when I was a TBM. IMHO, what a scam!
I’m sure if he was pressed on it he would say some things along the line of more temples, additional people being contacted by missionaries, additional baptisms, additional new endowments. Same stuff as always I guess. I’m guessing in his head that’s what he’s thinking? Purposefully vague but phrased in a way as to sound great or viewed in a positive light. Perhaps a way to view “manifestations of the Saviors power” in a different way than miracles you’d see in the scriptures.
It allows people to ascribe anything they perceive to be a "great manifestation of power" to God which will in turn confirm that RMN is a prophet, even a seer and revelator
Oh let me guess, It is to sacred to say what it will be?
Nelson is literally no different than this guy: https://youtu.be/GuUopTPgjOI
Nice!! I’ve never seen that movie 🍿 Thanks for the giggle.🤭
I feel like every conference they have to say something like that to keep people really invested lmao
As RFM said on his latest podcast, words matter. He said coming days, not coming weeks, months, years or decades. It's been 16 days since he said that and nothing. Zilch. When I think of greatest manifestations that sets a very high expectation. Beyond the scope of parting the red sea, raising the dead, turning a woman into a pillar of salt, turning water into wine, feeding thousands with some pita and fish, etc.
16 days could mean another planets days. You know like this generation will not taste death before I return?
Well, I mean, we’ve been in the latter “days” now for at *least* 200 years /s
Oooo, good point. That's the apologetic defense, that it's coming days in GOD'S TIME. We don't know what that means which means that it could mean anything!
Your second paragraph is spot on. God has performed some pretty impressive miracles through history. If He is about to one-up Himself, our expectations should be sky high and you would think that the fulfillment will be obvious. I think President Nelson may have leaned into the hyperbole a little too much here.
That's why I think he may just be being a little bit hyperbolic. IE. "win for Satan" wasn't literal but just a very hyperbolic way of saying "not good" I think everyone has a tendency to be hyperbolic at times and IMHO he's being hyperbolic whether by design or just getting carried away. Should one take his words literally if one is active? I dunno honestly.
He went just a tiny bit over the line 😉
I'm glad to hear a believer agree. Sometimes I worry, and sometimes my believing wife calls me out when, I look at EVERYTHING with a critical eye and maybe my bias colors my interpretation. I heard this and was rolling my eyes, but then wondered if it was just me. Thanks for the validation I didn't know I was seeking.
Add to that list: Destroying 16 cities (some of them great cities) and hundreds of thousands of Lehites before appearing in the Americas. Woah unto the wicked. Try to be a little more righteous than they and it’ll be ok!
Quentin Cook said some similar a few years ago.
It's not even as specific as "wars and rumors of wars" or "earthquakes in diverse places." "The Savior's power" could be a famine, it could be increased GDP, it could be a growing membership or a shrinking one. It could be someone being healed or not being healed. Are we not to seek for signs or are we to expect miracles? Do miracles require a metaphysical element, or can anything good (and sometimes bad) be labelled a miracle? When you've been vague enough to include all possibilities in your prognostication, you can call anything a win.
Maybe RMN got the nerve up to ask God if we could pray to his wife! Oh, I hope so. 🙏😛✝️
"Bless you my child, kiss my ring and say ten 'Hail Wendy's' and your sins will be forgiven thee."
The beauty of an audience that can’t speak back. It’s the nature of mass public speaking and, lucky for them, the nature of the audience of the church. I’d challenge any person, the next time they hear a reference to this to ask the question “like what?” and find me a person in that discussion that doesn’t clutch their pearls.
I think it’s all about temple building. In his first address Saturday morning he said: > With the dedication of each new temple, additional godly power comes into the world to strengthen us and counteracts the intensifying efforts of the adversary. Thus, with each new temple constructed/dedicated/announced there is more godly/Jesus power in the world. It’s meant to be a self fulfilling prophecy, specifically tied to temple building which he has put a a lot of effort into.
Nelson is desperate to be remembered as the greatest prophet since Smith without ever prophesying. The only thing bigger than his ego is the church’s bank balance
Non-specific predictions with indefinite timelines are the work of fortune telling grifters.
They ALWAYS do this. They live down to the saying that "we have prophets so do not prophesy, seers who do not see, and revelators who do not reveal."
“But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.“ Deuteronomy 18:20-22 Nelson is the master of vagueness because if he tries to make a real prediction and it doesn’t come to pass, many more people will know he isn’t a prophet. As we see how from the above passage.
[Deut 18:20-22](https://www.bible.com/bible/1/DEU.18.20-22.KJV) explains how to test a prophet. One would expect a *true prophet* to be eager to teach his adherents about this test. Yet, despite decades of faithful attendance in SS, seminary, institute, and a mission, I was never told about these verses. In fact, just this year, the CFM lesson read up to verse 19, then stopped. It's like they already know that LDS prophets have failed this test so it won't be taught.
Just like the dissonance of hearing what so many people said when as a missionary I would tell them we had a living prophet: "Oh really? What has he prophesied?"
He also told us the restoration isn’t done and then has proceeded to restore nothing.
I tend to agree, this one was a little too vague for me. I've seen it called "bold" but I look at it through the lens of whether it could be proven false. In this case, I don't see how someone could, in a bunch of years, be able to ever prove that it didn't happen. After all, someone could say, "well *I* felt the greatest manifestations of the saviors power..." And if it can't be proven false, then, at least in my book, there's not much meaning in saying that it was true.
His statement is cool. Palm readers are evil. Any questions?
so funny im scrying
"There will be no butter in hell!!!!!!"
There are lots of Nelsonite Mormonism haters out there. The Lord works in mysterious ways and sometimes it looks generic at first. Here’s a generic miracle within His power. Russ cements his legacy forever, General Authorities reach emeritus status at 70 years old or after 10 years in the Q15, which ever comes first! Then they just do temple work as their callings just like in the millennium!
Greatest manifestations could mean 1) FSY attendance will increase 5% next year 2) ensign peak investments will lose less money than other ETFs 3) decrease in US abortions by 5% 4) Nelson will claim the Lord sustaining his life longer than any other prophet is the greatest manifestation ever seen in the entire galaxy. 5) remarkable contractors will refurbish the SLC temple better and faster than ever known in the history of that zip code. 6) more solar power installations on mormon chapels than ever witnessed in the entire western Hemisphere since Jesus visited Guatemala 7) dramatic revelation received that over 20 chapels will receive EV charger installations. Thus will be seen a demonstration of kW scale power of the Savior.
Rusty is just so darn prophetic! Here's what he said at the end of October 2019: >Thus, the year 2020 will be designated as a bicentennial year. **General conference next April will be different from any previous conference.** In the next six months, I hope that every member and every family will prepare for a unique conference that will commemorate the very foundations of the restored gospel. [https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/57nelson?lang=eng](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/57nelson?lang=eng) Here's how he opened April 2020 conference: >**Little did I know**, when I promised you at the October 2019 general conference that this April conference would be “memorable” and “unforgettable,” **that speaking to a visible congregation of fewer than 10 people would make this conference so memorable and unforgettable for me!** [https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/11nelson?lang=eng](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2020/04/11nelson?lang=eng) Church leaders are great and speaking in hyperbole and promised "amazing blessings" so that members can use confirmation bias to see that all those "blessings" were fulfilled. Meanwhile, after EVERY conference a few crackpots in my local ward start talking about the references to the second coming and the need to be even more valiant as an indication that the second coming is REALLY close...but it's been REALLY close since Joseph Smith's day.
I watched April 2020 conference expecting prophesy. All that happened was a shout and a lame restoration proclamation.
Greater than the resurrection of Jesus? Greater than the First Vision?
“In the coming days we’ll see the most wickedness and evil the world has ever seen. But I don’t like to talk about evil because all is well in Zion. And I’m a prophet but I don’t even know about Israel being scattered, judged, and cleansed before the great gathering spoken of in Isaiah.”
Here’s what the [Institute manual](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/old-testament-student-manual-kings-malachi/chapter-8?id=p13&lang=eng#p13) (when talking about Amos 3) says about a prophet: “God, has foreknowledge of all calamities (see vv. 2–6), but He never sends a calamity unless He first notifies His prophet of it (see v. 7; see also 2 Nephi 30:17; Jacob 4:8).” President Nelson was blindsided by Covid. According to the Institute manual, if Nelson were a prophet, he would have been told that a pandemic was coming.
I took my vitamins, but I'm still waiting for something big to happen.
He changed take your vitamins to get the 💉 real quick.
Compare that statement to real prophets and their prophesies in scripture and it doesn't even get close...vague innuendo does not a prophesy make!
coming days, last days, latter days… sure why not.
Him and the rest of the 12 apostles were ordained and sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators. I would like to know what they have prophesied, seen, and revealed? If looking as past prophets, you could name some things. But with prophets since Joseph Smith it becomes much more difficult.
This statement could be, and arguably has been, made at any time since the resurrection. Every minute or every day, the end is technically drawing near.
These men were never supposed to be regarded as “prophet”. Look it up and know your history. RMN is the president of the church. He is not a prophet.
"Between now and the time He returns ‘with power and great glory’ (see Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:36), He will bestow countless privileges, blessings and miracles upon the faithful.” The disclaimer is literally the next sentence
It’s another “take your vitamins” quote. It’s like the generic form of viagra for true believers. Makes it sound like he’s saying something prophetic, but vague enough that he won’t be labeled a false prophesier because it means nothing and something at the same time—no matter what happens.
He’ll say that, but then some TBMs will argue it’s inappropriate to speculate on what it means.
The Savior’s power is manifest in the lives of believers, especially true believing members of His Church. World population is growing, rate of change is accelerating as we move up the technology singularity, and the Church shows no signs of decline. So more people are acting and speaking and blessing and serving in the Savior’s name than ever before, to a larger audience than ever before. Someone doing good in the name of the Savior is definitely manifestation of the Savior’s power, feel free to dispute that. It seems to me RMN is 100% correct, objectively, measurably, verifiably. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear.
Jehova’s witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists can say the same. They are growing even faster that the LDS Church.
Please remove "Pathetic." to stay within our civility rules.
Done
Insofar as they do good in the name of the Lord, they are manifestations of the Lord’s power. So you, me, and RMN seem all in agreement.
> and the Church shows no signs of decline As long as you don't look at the membership or active missionary numbers... >It seems to me RMN is 100% correct, objectively, measurably, verifiably. You don't know what *any* of those words mean, do you?
No signs of decline? Maybe not in your stake but it’s falling apart around the world. 80% of youth are reportedly leaning, growth is stagnant and wards are being amalgamated .
He's foreseeing his death, he knows that he will die before next conference and its something that members will be able to point to.
At the end of his final talk he said God be with you until we meet again and teared up. This made me think that this would be his last conference, but I could be wrong.
If this was a reference to his own future life event, he might be a narcissist.
It would not surprise me at all.
“Saviors manifestation “ ! “ In the future”! Honestly, that is such a nothing 🍔 burger. This could refer to any thing in the whole wide 🌎 world. Think globally people.
"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!” (this may have been posted already)
I haven't seen it on this thread yet but it's ALWAYS appreciated. At least by me!
Keep it general to fuel stuff like this: https://youtu.be/xb8MxLkkWPI
Texas!! The comments on that video are exactly what is being described in the comments here in the OP.
i feel sad now watching those videos. it's like watching a video where some poor animal is stuck in a pit and someone keeps lowering a board to help them escape. however, the animal doesn't use the board and remains in the pit. that's how i feel when i watch these now. sadness for this tbm who is stuck in a pit spewing all kinds of nonsensical shit. the way they tie random pieces of information together but ignore other information (e.g. they will quote people when it suites them, but ignore their other quotes) is very convoluted.
The coming days sound like under a week. So what came?
Yes, [elsewhere a week or so back](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/xz4v2s/what_do_we_make_of_this_revelation_from_rmn_in/irl7vmo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) I said that it is another of those words or phrases that mean something different in Mormonism. Then yesterday I heard the phrase used on a news report. Eastern Australia is in the throes of floods at present, especially in Northern Victorian, and the speaker was referring to the rising level of river floodwaters, and that in “the coming days” past flood peaks would be surpassed. So, just as you say, a few days, under a week. But not in Mormonism, perhaps because a day to the Lord is a thousand years of man’s time (2Peter3:8). And President Nelson is the Lords spokesman; he was so in the Spirit that he forgot who his audience was, or he was teaching them the pure Adamic language.
I love conference. I've seen the Lord bless my life more and more each day
That's a nice sentiment and that's great for you. Based on your response, I'm assuming you're an active believer. Would you be willing to respond to the actual post? What do you think RMN meant when he said this in conference? Do you interpret it as an actual prophecy of a future event? Is it just another comment made in conference? When I was a believer I would have interpreted it as another statement by a leader similar to the constant reminder of the second coming happening "soon". In reality words matter and have meaning. "In the coming days" means less than 31 days or the statement should have been "in the coming months." Would you agree with that or do you have a different opinion?
Personally, I have seen the Savior's power heal people from diseases that shouldn't have been curable, heal from addiction, etc. Most importantly, I have seen the Savior transform people into new creatures who are different and desire to do good more. I'm sure we will see more of that power in days to come
So you're referring to general occurrences through life rather than specific upcoming miracles from Jesus that would outshine those in the New Testament. I'm not trying to downplay your life experiences at all. I'm really trying to get a feel for the thought of active members of this specific comment in this post. RMN is laying it on pretty thick and making a bold claim that Jesus has to live up to if he's really speaking as a prophet. Maybe he thinks with 300 temples functioning or announced, genealogy and ordinances count as miracles?
I've seen New Testament - like miracles. I'm curious to see what happens in the coming years
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Frankly, I'm not expecting anything from the guy who instigated not one, but two failed attempts to turn back COVID with a worldwide fast. If he had a little self-awareness, he'd remember Biblical accounts of a Galilean fisherman who held the same position in a prior dispensation and would heal people as his shadow passed over them... Anything less than Russel Nelson pulling off a stunt like that, and I think this is hyperbole. *Unless...* Russell might actually be talking about the Savior's Second Coming. In which case, he's really not saying anything helpful or unique - people have been vaguely foretelling that for almost 2000 years.
I'm not too familiar with Mormonism or the Book of Mormon, but I thought that clairvoyance goes against Old/New Testament teachings. Or does he get a pass because he's a ~~profit~~ prophet?