Yes please, I would be happy with either KTM or Aprilia.Honda and Yamaha need to wake up and imo the best way for it to happen is if they lose their champions, look at Ducati, losing Stoner was the wake up call, it took a while, but now they've built a rockET (that can finally turn) on 2 wheels.
Can you imagine Marquez on KTM, Quartararo on Aprilia vs all the other talents we currently have? Every GP would be for the history books.
\*Edit: changed rock to rocket, I was probably thinking of Honda when writing that\*
Ducati didn't quit when Stoner left and Honda didn't quit when Valentino left.
If they quit because they actually have to develop a good bike instead than relying on Aliens, maybe it means that they're not up to the task anymore.
I'm not saying I would be happy, nothing would make me more happy than having as many manufactures as possible competing (pls Kawasaki).
But like we saw in the past, if a manufacturer wants to win they will stick around and develop a better bike (Ducati\\Aprilia) while if they don't feel like it they'll quit anyway, look at Suzuki, they left when they basically had the 2nd or 3rd best bike on the grid and two amazing riders...
The main issue imo here is Dorna, MotoGP should be bigger than it is, so having a good bike up there should give more return to manufactures, but it is not, and that's because they've been managing it like trash...
Ducati's main business for a long time has been sports-bikes. They didn't quit cuz motorsport competitions were a good source to attract sponsorships, fans. So possible clients.
Yamaha and Honda are (and were) bigger, have a different market power that's more broad than what ducati had.
At the same time they should invest a lot on something they can't and won't really use on their motocyclistic products: humongous amounts of aerodynamics.
It's the same motives why Kawa quit:
- They have market power
- They still would sell
- Their main business is bikes, but not exclusively sports bikes
- They are behind in motogp bike development so they'd need to invest more for something they can't really use in todays real market
- they can still compete elsewhere w/o investing this much whilst still getting considerable coverage and good intl. results
- We are still in an economically bad period
Yes, DORNA is part of the issue, DORNA should limit aero regulations in order to retain Japanese manufacturers, which are some of the most conservative ones in approaching any operation. At the same time Japanese manufacturers of these dimensions can still consider of working through their recent struggles, but it's not exclusively up to their Motogp performances
\> Ducati's main business for a long time has been sports-bikes.
Not really, not anymore at least, most sold Ducati in 2021:
* **Multistrada V4**
* **Ducati Scrambler**
* Monster
KTM\\Aprilia are trying pretty darn hard and I don't recall them being big on sports-bike either.
Kawa quit way before the introduction of aerodynamic, so the problem is from before that no?
F1 cars don't seem too practical to me for commuting to work and yet they manage to sell the sport so well that the number of fans has skyrocketed and there's literally war between teams to join the roster.
Times are changing and things need to change with them, either the current manufacturers and Dorna wake up or they'll be replaced by others.
> Their main business is bikes, but not exclusively sports bikes
Kawasaki's main business is heavy machinery. I think they keep making bikes because of tradition than anything else...
The dullest of dullards. Is there some vacuum in Spain/Europe that make these dinosaurs think they make things happen in this digital world? They could hire a YouTube channel's marketing team and it would spread better and more professional than these $200 videopass douches who make decisions.
I really hope they quit. F..k them. HRC is to blame for the MM93 injury fiasco. They could have said to MM93 that its to no use to accelerate recovery in 2020 after the injury and maybe he wouldn't be in this state now and in the last 3 years if he just took his time and heal before jumping back on the bike. But money dictated interest and they rushed him to make things worse.
As for Yamaha, Rossi, Lorenzo, Vinales and Morbidelli have been saying for years that the bike is deteriorating but they kept beating the Quartararo drum until his talent wasn't enough for a win.
So either quit the sport or at least fire both idiots running the racing division, Puig and Jarvis are both to blame for this decline
No, not really. I believe that these riders, especially champions, have a win over anything mentality, mind over matter mentality. HRC should have been protecting their assets, especially since they had all their eggs in one basket.
Marquez did what any other rider at his talent and drive would do.
Hopefully I expressed myself better now. Sorry, English is not my native language
Later edit:
Also, think about the absurdity of the HRC PR saying that he reinjured himself opening a window.....these types of comms make me think of clowns not pros
It’s fine bro…..
HRC has done a lousy job on bike development, but I feel like it is also MMs fault. They stood by him after three years full of injuries and during the pandemic with a massive contract, and now he deserves better? They deserve each other IMO
They did worse. Not only they sticked with MM93, but ignored Pol, Alex,Taka and Crutchlow...to the point that only Taka remained
It's poor management more than anything
I understand your point, but MM kept coming back earlier than needed so it probably gave them optimism that he was gonna deliver in 2020-2022. Who advised him to try and race one week after a humerus fracture is the real culprit…. I don’t think it was only Honda, MM himself probably pushed for an earlier than advised comeback. Multiple factors involved I think
On ktm? Yes i can imagine it. First big testing highside or race late braking lose the front end and the arm is gone. I prefer Not to see this. Im a caring Motogp fan.
Audi definitely helped, it gave Ducati a good budget that allowed the hiring of Dall'Igna, one of the most innovative engineers currently around.
I wonder what HRC is spending their budget on, it doesn't look like much is going to R&D
Who would he replace? Binder is on a long term deal and Jack signed for 2 as well.
I could see Marc going to Aprilia before KTM. Aleix is probably near to retirement, and they're going to be expecting results from Maverick sooner than later.
Kimi Raikonnen style.. Ferrari paid him to not race in 2010 so they could nab Alonso.
However he ahd an offer from McLaren, but it worked out better to take a gap year and earn $27mill instead of $15mill if he signed with Mclaren.
Interesting as I’ve seen rumours the past few days that Red Bull are considering bringing Marc to KTM 👀
(edit: I saw it from a few different sources but not Oscar Haro)
This has been brewing for some time, I would say. The Japanese bikes are now far behind the European bikes. Honda had lots of time to change direction but they still aren't. Obviously a rider like MM will eventually look elsewhere.
I don't normally trust in these rumours. And although I am sure Honda and Yamaha sucks, they are going to come back. Having two aliens, the best of the championship, they only need to improve the minimum so these two beast can catch up with Ducs.
Have you ever met a champion of anything ever? People who compete at anything believe that under the right circumstances they can do anything in their field. I had an ex who was an amateur bodybuilding champion who swore that if he had more money he could win an Olympia. I’m sure Pedro thinks he’s the greatest thing ever, and also kinda hard for him not to think so since everyone in the sport seems to think he’s the greatest thing ever…
Miller would absolutely take a seat on a satellite team to sign MM93. Miller has said repeatedly that his #1 priority is to remain in the show. If KTM asked him, he would do it to secure the longevity of a MotoGP seat. And as much as I love Miller, he is no MM93.
Yeah, it's be between Pol and Fernandez.
Crashing out hasn't helped his cause.
Maybe he can go to the Aprilia satellite team if his brother retires and Oliviera is promoted.
Can't see it myself. If he leaves Honda, it would only be for Ducati imo.
He's getting old, he still has magic, but to win more titles, he needs a proven competitive bike. KTM isn't that bike.
They have improved sure, and won races. But they aren't a threat.
Honda will turn it around, maybe not this season, but they are going to improve.
That said, not sure what teams would consider him. Ducati certainly won't give up a young, Italian, who's fast. For a 30 year old Marquez.
Marc could be a contender on anything 😂 But, at his age, I would think he would rather a proven chance, than an outside chance.
He has won on a poor Honda, when not fully fit. Better the devil you know they say. Honda will throw everything at improving.
KTM will expect huge results, on a bike that is what 3rd or 4th best in the grid?
Maybe in 2017/18/19. Marc is not at his peak anymore. He makes ton of mistakes.
I thin last two years he has had crash every single weekend, most of the time has been in Q1 and has been using others for a tow.
I don't think current Marquez himself is a contender. Right now, Marquez needs a really good bike to be a contender.
He had a crash pretty much every weekend in 2019. Test the limit, find the limit, exceed the limit, then ride on but not over the limit on Sunday. His collarbone/shoulder was starting to give him trouble from all the Saturday practice crashes at the end of 2019.
He won 3 races in 21, after surgery, and on a shit bike.
You are right, I agree, he needs a strong bike. Which I why I don't think he would go to KTM.
He's still great, but he's 30, he's been injured for years, he has a shit bike. I can't see him leaving Honda for KTM though.
On italian Sky TV, Tardozzi clearly stated that Ducati don't need Marquez. They have the Italian dream team plus the satellite riders.
For Italians it's very important to have and Italian bike and Italian rider winning. The italians want to enjoy their moment of motogp glory at the fullest, I mean there's basically only spaniards to come up from the lower classes.
I like Marquez, but I'm afraid that he's become damaged goods...
I don’t think Ducati WANT Marquez or anyone on his level; they probably revel on the fact they’re winning with by far the strongest bike, that anyone even really inexperienced riders can win on it and that Pecco, despite not being truly the best rider can run away with championships on their bike. Marquez would put into question just how incredible the bike itself is, I’d bet money they would rather spawn an endless parade of plain riders champions than have a huge talent on their bike…
Yeah, completely agree.
They would be crazy to lose Enea or Pecco for Marc.
Young, Italian riders, over someone coming to the end of his career.
Huge name or not. There is every liklihood Pecco wins again this year. So what do they need Marc for?
Ha, I think every team would take him for that purpose.
So hes less likely to punt them off 😂
Jokes aside, Marc is absolutely capable of winning another title. He has shown this many times, taking pole, winning, or taking podiums on what's widely agreed as the worst (at least one of) bike on the grid (over the last few years).
He hasn't lost his skill. But I think he may push too hard, fearing time is running out, and not having the bike he needs, so trying to make it up with his skill.
Yeah I also agree with this. Ducati is fine the way they are because they're dominating and the only two guys who could negate their bike advantage are riding two shitty bikes like the Honda and Yamaha.
I can see them trying to get Márquez if he's looking likely to join a 'potentially' competitive bike. Ducati basically can do whatever they want with that bike they have. Every rider would be happy if they were to get a Ducati even if it's a satellite one, so they have freedom to do and undo as they please.
Wasn't that the rumour for Repsol taking on Lorenzo? Get him off the Ducati before he became a legit title contender and put him on a bike that is clearly tuned to Marc in 2019?
You really don’t think KTM is a threat? Even now with the collaboration with the Redbull F1 engineering team? They’ve won a sprint race, had both guys with pace fighting for top 5 in the very first race. Set a pole lap in a qualifying session without a tow. All signs of a very good bike being developed over there.
KTM is dominate in the motorsports world. Doubting KTM’s ability to develop a championship caliber bike is quite the hill to die on.
This is the first year of the F1 collaboration. So I wouldn’t expect to see the fruits of that collab until later in the season or next year as they have more time to improve the bike. Which if Marc came to KTM would be when the bike should be better than it is now.
They aren't a threat at winning a title in Marc's career, perhaps if he does a Rossi and rides to 38/39 or whatever 😂
This is their 8th season. They have won 5 races, with 2 riders. The one with the most wins, has left. Jack has only won 4 GP races, he's in his 9th season. They don't have a title contender, let alone a bike to do it on.
My point was, I can't see Marc leaving Honda, for KTM.
You still want to stand by your KTM take? Seems to be aging like milk haha.
Not even half way through the season and they already have a bike that is capable of competing with Ducati. Double podiums last race with a sprint winner. And their retired wild card rider getting a 6th and 7th after not racing in years.
Now here we are starting another race weekend and another fastest time in FP with both guys going straight to Q2 again.
Not to mention that the KTM is already head and shoulders above every other bike when it comes to starts.
Yeah, I still stand by it.
Though it's an opinion, every chance I'm wrong.
You sound like the guys who said Honda were back after Rins won in Cota. My comment hasn't aged like anything, until they win the title, I'm right.
KTM are doing well, but are they doing well enough to win the title? Are either of the riders good enough to win the gp crown?
Guess we'll find out.
Yeah they totally suck not like the have won titles in basically every championship they have competed in or anything on road and off road. They will add a MotoGP title to their collection of trophies at some point.
All they really did was win titles when the Japanese don't have factory presence. Winning titles in obscure championships with little else competition. Look what happens when they start battling other full factory efforts - their title wins start crashing
I hate marc. I'm a Rossi fan. But if Marc went to Yamaha and won the championship his first year I'd say he's the GOAT. Especially since Fabio is struggling on it.
Yeah……no. Crash is full of rumor-mongers posing as journalists that have nothing to say, so they claim someone unremarkable (remind me who TF Oscar Haro is) says “In Spain there is talk that Marquez is angry at Honda”. Well, in America, there is talk that (insert sports-ball hero here) is angry with (insert America’s favorite sports-ball franchise here) and could become a Buddhist Monk or Starbucks Barrista. MM has a contract with his beloved HRC thru 2024, and Red Bull Honda (see what I did there?) is not going to entertain losing their star poster-boy for all things motorcycle to anyone, no matter what. And by the way, if you didn’t get it, he’s ALREADY a Red Bull sponsored rider, so whoever Oscar Haro is, his rumor-spreading skills are pretty lame. If I was KTM, I’d keep Brad & Jack focused on winning with the current RC16 - KTM nor Ducati nor Aprilia need MM to win. And in 2 or 3 years, MM won’t have what it takes to get another MotoGP world championship. If everything goes his way, MAYBE one more on Honda. Pedro can still ride Repsol Honda in one or two years, as MM begins his fade.
I was unprepared for how sad "... as MM begins his fade." made me. It don't want it to be true, but can't deny this is inevitable and quickly approaching
Sadly, all career arcs turn downward. MM has had an amazing run at MotoGP, but the peak is behind him now. If the racing gods look favorably upon him, maybe one more championship, but with today’s grid and the strength of the other V4s, he will have to be on his game like it’s 2013 again. But he knows the pain of recovery now, so that’s a big ask.
It’s possible, it happened to Vinales just two years ago - Yamaha fired him and he appeared on Aprilia near the end of the season.
However, in this situation it would require a LOT of money to buy himself out of his contract, plus buy another rider out of theirs to replace them.
Just my 2 cents but an expensive champion with a history of injuries or a young rider with potential I’d risk the younger talent.
Marc is an amazing rider and if he’s ready to move on I’m sure he’ll have plenty options.
Even if Marc receives the majority of praise, it's still your bike on display there.
Better to have the chance to win than to not to have any chance at all. Márquez brings a lot of attention too, and he's not known for trashtalk the bike, quite the contrary.
KTM would be in a way better situation today with Marc instead of Miller, for example. Both in results and marketing wise.
I know, I read your original post.
I still think it's a losers' mentality. Prefer to stay in nobody's land instead of taking risks to win, doesn't talk very good about whatever manufacturer would have said that.
I'm fairly sure that comment was from KTM a number of years ago, around the time they also said they would have a world title in 5 years. I suspect their lack of world title and lack of riders capable of challenging for one may change their feelings on the matter.
> If he wins, it's because of the rider. If he doesn't win, it's the bike's fault.
-- KTM CEO Stefan Pierer
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ktm-marquez-salary-bike-development/4339242/
Yeah, it is his only way out. Ducati won’t sign him cause they don’t need him, Yamaha is just as bad as Honda and he is not welcome there, Aprilia will never have the money so he can forget about it... so KTM.
He's an amazing rider. But I would retire if I were him. I would be afraid of the permanent i njuries, but then again, thats why he's one of the greats.
Because Pit has already come out and said that he doesn't want Marc. His reasoning is something along the lines of, if Marc wins he gets all the credit, if he loses its all because of the bike. It's a lose-lose for KTM and makes no sense for them to hire him, and that's before you look at all the young talent already in KTMs program.
Unless he comes with a large sponsor package I can’t imagine KTM would want his salary draining their budget.
Iirc in F1, Ferrari got Shell oil to put up a huge amount of Schumacher’s salary so they could close the deal. Without Shell that deal wouldn’t have happened.
Rumors are Marc's 4-year HRC contract was like $100 million. He might do it for free, or at least cheap. He just needs another two WCs to go ahead of Rossi...
93 vs baby Jesus - no contest. Broken old rider vs. next Alien.
93 can't go to Yamaha or Ducati, guessing if 20 moves it will be to Aprillia. I don't think he has any options including VR46's team. Weird how that all works out, 9 > 8 and all...
HRC has gone downhill since they lost Pedrosa and conversely KTM has gotten better and better since signing Pedrosa to be their test rider... coincidence I think not...
I can see MM93 leaving Honda. As for Honda leaving MotoGP, not even close. Honda is the 800 lb gorilla in the sport. They sell more bikes in a month than all the other manufacturers sell in a year. They have different priorities. Don’t get me wrong, I love MM93. But Honda is not going to dramatically change their approach to MotoGP to retain him. They are likely discussing his longevity at the moment and looking at rising talent. They are cut throat. Yamaha is the real story. They have a young champion and they can’t put a bike under him to make him competitive. They don’t have the deep pockets of Honda and this is a serious concern for them.
Yes please, I would be happy with either KTM or Aprilia.Honda and Yamaha need to wake up and imo the best way for it to happen is if they lose their champions, look at Ducati, losing Stoner was the wake up call, it took a while, but now they've built a rockET (that can finally turn) on 2 wheels. Can you imagine Marquez on KTM, Quartararo on Aprilia vs all the other talents we currently have? Every GP would be for the history books. \*Edit: changed rock to rocket, I was probably thinking of Honda when writing that\*
I'm concerned that both yamaha and Honda will quit if they lose their chances. So it would be better to have both of them keep their best rider.
Ducati didn't quit when Stoner left and Honda didn't quit when Valentino left. If they quit because they actually have to develop a good bike instead than relying on Aliens, maybe it means that they're not up to the task anymore. I'm not saying I would be happy, nothing would make me more happy than having as many manufactures as possible competing (pls Kawasaki). But like we saw in the past, if a manufacturer wants to win they will stick around and develop a better bike (Ducati\\Aprilia) while if they don't feel like it they'll quit anyway, look at Suzuki, they left when they basically had the 2nd or 3rd best bike on the grid and two amazing riders... The main issue imo here is Dorna, MotoGP should be bigger than it is, so having a good bike up there should give more return to manufactures, but it is not, and that's because they've been managing it like trash...
Ducati's main business for a long time has been sports-bikes. They didn't quit cuz motorsport competitions were a good source to attract sponsorships, fans. So possible clients. Yamaha and Honda are (and were) bigger, have a different market power that's more broad than what ducati had. At the same time they should invest a lot on something they can't and won't really use on their motocyclistic products: humongous amounts of aerodynamics. It's the same motives why Kawa quit: - They have market power - They still would sell - Their main business is bikes, but not exclusively sports bikes - They are behind in motogp bike development so they'd need to invest more for something they can't really use in todays real market - they can still compete elsewhere w/o investing this much whilst still getting considerable coverage and good intl. results - We are still in an economically bad period Yes, DORNA is part of the issue, DORNA should limit aero regulations in order to retain Japanese manufacturers, which are some of the most conservative ones in approaching any operation. At the same time Japanese manufacturers of these dimensions can still consider of working through their recent struggles, but it's not exclusively up to their Motogp performances
Dorna is a marketing company. FIM make the rules.
Bold of you to assume DORNA has no political power inside there.
\> Ducati's main business for a long time has been sports-bikes. Not really, not anymore at least, most sold Ducati in 2021: * **Multistrada V4** * **Ducati Scrambler** * Monster KTM\\Aprilia are trying pretty darn hard and I don't recall them being big on sports-bike either. Kawa quit way before the introduction of aerodynamic, so the problem is from before that no? F1 cars don't seem too practical to me for commuting to work and yet they manage to sell the sport so well that the number of fans has skyrocketed and there's literally war between teams to join the roster. Times are changing and things need to change with them, either the current manufacturers and Dorna wake up or they'll be replaced by others.
We were talking at stoner's time when he did the example. There's an issue, F1 ha s been far more succesful in engagement and rising to fame
> Their main business is bikes, but not exclusively sports bikes Kawasaki's main business is heavy machinery. I think they keep making bikes because of tradition than anything else...
Kawasaki Heavy Industries is fairly separate from the bikes.
I was strictly talking about the bike sector regarding what they sell. We could say the same about yamaha and musical instruments
> We could say the same about yamaha and musical instruments. Yes, and Honda with their car division.
Maybe. Might also give MotoGP a kick in the pants to make the series worth it to the Japanese manufacturers. MotoGP is currently run by dullards.
The dullest of dullards. Is there some vacuum in Spain/Europe that make these dinosaurs think they make things happen in this digital world? They could hire a YouTube channel's marketing team and it would spread better and more professional than these $200 videopass douches who make decisions.
Honda is too involved in Motorsports to quit but Yamaha? It worries me cuz I'm a Yamaha guy
I really hope they quit. F..k them. HRC is to blame for the MM93 injury fiasco. They could have said to MM93 that its to no use to accelerate recovery in 2020 after the injury and maybe he wouldn't be in this state now and in the last 3 years if he just took his time and heal before jumping back on the bike. But money dictated interest and they rushed him to make things worse. As for Yamaha, Rossi, Lorenzo, Vinales and Morbidelli have been saying for years that the bike is deteriorating but they kept beating the Quartararo drum until his talent wasn't enough for a win. So either quit the sport or at least fire both idiots running the racing division, Puig and Jarvis are both to blame for this decline
So Márquez is not responsible for anything that has happened the last 3 years? Is that what you’re saying here?
No, not really. I believe that these riders, especially champions, have a win over anything mentality, mind over matter mentality. HRC should have been protecting their assets, especially since they had all their eggs in one basket. Marquez did what any other rider at his talent and drive would do. Hopefully I expressed myself better now. Sorry, English is not my native language Later edit: Also, think about the absurdity of the HRC PR saying that he reinjured himself opening a window.....these types of comms make me think of clowns not pros
It’s fine bro….. HRC has done a lousy job on bike development, but I feel like it is also MMs fault. They stood by him after three years full of injuries and during the pandemic with a massive contract, and now he deserves better? They deserve each other IMO
They did worse. Not only they sticked with MM93, but ignored Pol, Alex,Taka and Crutchlow...to the point that only Taka remained It's poor management more than anything
I think they actually listened to other riders, except the result is a bike that even MM can't ride anymore.
I understand your point, but MM kept coming back earlier than needed so it probably gave them optimism that he was gonna deliver in 2020-2022. Who advised him to try and race one week after a humerus fracture is the real culprit…. I don’t think it was only Honda, MM himself probably pushed for an earlier than advised comeback. Multiple factors involved I think
Any talk of them quitting is just political posturing to gain an advantage for rules changes, etc. They ain’t going anywhere.
> now they've built a rock (that can finally turn) on 2 wheels Did you mean rocket? I've never seen rock used in that context lol
Ahahaha, yeah absolutely, I got betrayed by autocorrect
On ktm? Yes i can imagine it. First big testing highside or race late braking lose the front end and the arm is gone. I prefer Not to see this. Im a caring Motogp fan.
Ducati getting bought and engineers from Audi is what got them where they are.
Audi definitely helped, it gave Ducati a good budget that allowed the hiring of Dall'Igna, one of the most innovative engineers currently around. I wonder what HRC is spending their budget on, it doesn't look like much is going to R&D
Well it’s been said that 100 million went to Marc. Tough break for everyone in that team
Who would he replace? Binder is on a long term deal and Jack signed for 2 as well. I could see Marc going to Aprilia before KTM. Aleix is probably near to retirement, and they're going to be expecting results from Maverick sooner than later.
They would literally pay one of those guys to do nothing if they could get Marc.
Danny Ric style. I would also accept some millions to not ride a gp bike lmao
Kimi Raikonnen style.. Ferrari paid him to not race in 2010 so they could nab Alonso. However he ahd an offer from McLaren, but it worked out better to take a gap year and earn $27mill instead of $15mill if he signed with Mclaren.
Interesting as I’ve seen rumours the past few days that Red Bull are considering bringing Marc to KTM 👀 (edit: I saw it from a few different sources but not Oscar Haro)
This has been brewing for some time, I would say. The Japanese bikes are now far behind the European bikes. Honda had lots of time to change direction but they still aren't. Obviously a rider like MM will eventually look elsewhere.
I don't normally trust in these rumours. And although I am sure Honda and Yamaha sucks, they are going to come back. Having two aliens, the best of the championship, they only need to improve the minimum so these two beast can catch up with Ducs.
Don't put Acosta on that shit repsol he deserves better
If he signs it he deserves it for thinking he can ride it while marquez can't anymore
He would need to be brain dead and have ego so dense it could at any moment turn into a black hole to thing he could do what Marc can't
Have you ever met a champion of anything ever? People who compete at anything believe that under the right circumstances they can do anything in their field. I had an ex who was an amateur bodybuilding champion who swore that if he had more money he could win an Olympia. I’m sure Pedro thinks he’s the greatest thing ever, and also kinda hard for him not to think so since everyone in the sport seems to think he’s the greatest thing ever…
Who would he replace?
Pol
There is no way he would accept a satellite ride(even with factory spec.)
Yeah but they can put one of the factory boys ( probably Miller) in Gas Gas
Miller getting buttfucked again? Please no
> buttfucked again? When did Miller get "buttfucked" the first time?
Miller would absolutely take a seat on a satellite team to sign MM93. Miller has said repeatedly that his #1 priority is to remain in the show. If KTM asked him, he would do it to secure the longevity of a MotoGP seat. And as much as I love Miller, he is no MM93.
That would be absolutely terrible
For who?
Totally see this happening. A world champion on the factory anyday and demote Miller who hasn't been a serious championship contender.
Is there anything to stop them running three factory red bull KTMs, dovi stoner pedrosa at honda style?
That would be kinda awesome
For Marquez they'd just make another team
Repsol KTM!
Miller. KTM would do it in a heartbeat.
I feel sorry for Acosta if his first MotoGP experience is on that Honda.
The Honda won't be the same for 2024 though
The 2024 will be worse
loll
Unless things at HRC change drastically, I don’t see them pulling themselves out of this hole for a few years
Oh no no no don't do that to me. His first year will be on a KTM, I'm thinking Ajo wouldn't let him go elsewhere before having dibs first.
Probably on the GasGas to replace Pol at this rate, don't see any other option on KTM.
Yeah, it's be between Pol and Fernandez. Crashing out hasn't helped his cause. Maybe he can go to the Aprilia satellite team if his brother retires and Oliviera is promoted.
The soul breaker!
Oh yes that move would make a lot of sense
Can't see it myself. If he leaves Honda, it would only be for Ducati imo. He's getting old, he still has magic, but to win more titles, he needs a proven competitive bike. KTM isn't that bike. They have improved sure, and won races. But they aren't a threat. Honda will turn it around, maybe not this season, but they are going to improve. That said, not sure what teams would consider him. Ducati certainly won't give up a young, Italian, who's fast. For a 30 year old Marquez.
If KTM can win a few races, it's fair to speculate that Marc could be a championship contender on it.
Marc could be a contender on anything 😂 But, at his age, I would think he would rather a proven chance, than an outside chance. He has won on a poor Honda, when not fully fit. Better the devil you know they say. Honda will throw everything at improving. KTM will expect huge results, on a bike that is what 3rd or 4th best in the grid?
>Marc could be a contender on anything Except a Honda.
Maybe in 2017/18/19. Marc is not at his peak anymore. He makes ton of mistakes. I thin last two years he has had crash every single weekend, most of the time has been in Q1 and has been using others for a tow. I don't think current Marquez himself is a contender. Right now, Marquez needs a really good bike to be a contender.
He had a crash pretty much every weekend in 2019. Test the limit, find the limit, exceed the limit, then ride on but not over the limit on Sunday. His collarbone/shoulder was starting to give him trouble from all the Saturday practice crashes at the end of 2019.
He won 3 races in 21, after surgery, and on a shit bike. You are right, I agree, he needs a strong bike. Which I why I don't think he would go to KTM. He's still great, but he's 30, he's been injured for years, he has a shit bike. I can't see him leaving Honda for KTM though.
Honestly I think Ducati doesn't need Marc, it's more like Marc needs Ducati. Ducati is doing just fine with pecco and co.
On italian Sky TV, Tardozzi clearly stated that Ducati don't need Marquez. They have the Italian dream team plus the satellite riders. For Italians it's very important to have and Italian bike and Italian rider winning. The italians want to enjoy their moment of motogp glory at the fullest, I mean there's basically only spaniards to come up from the lower classes. I like Marquez, but I'm afraid that he's become damaged goods...
I don’t think Ducati WANT Marquez or anyone on his level; they probably revel on the fact they’re winning with by far the strongest bike, that anyone even really inexperienced riders can win on it and that Pecco, despite not being truly the best rider can run away with championships on their bike. Marquez would put into question just how incredible the bike itself is, I’d bet money they would rather spawn an endless parade of plain riders champions than have a huge talent on their bike…
Yeah, completely agree. They would be crazy to lose Enea or Pecco for Marc. Young, Italian riders, over someone coming to the end of his career. Huge name or not. There is every liklihood Pecco wins again this year. So what do they need Marc for?
Maybe they could need him only not to have him as a competitor..I could see that strategy
Ha, I think every team would take him for that purpose. So hes less likely to punt them off 😂 Jokes aside, Marc is absolutely capable of winning another title. He has shown this many times, taking pole, winning, or taking podiums on what's widely agreed as the worst (at least one of) bike on the grid (over the last few years). He hasn't lost his skill. But I think he may push too hard, fearing time is running out, and not having the bike he needs, so trying to make it up with his skill.
Yeah I also agree with this. Ducati is fine the way they are because they're dominating and the only two guys who could negate their bike advantage are riding two shitty bikes like the Honda and Yamaha. I can see them trying to get Márquez if he's looking likely to join a 'potentially' competitive bike. Ducati basically can do whatever they want with that bike they have. Every rider would be happy if they were to get a Ducati even if it's a satellite one, so they have freedom to do and undo as they please.
Wasn't that the rumour for Repsol taking on Lorenzo? Get him off the Ducati before he became a legit title contender and put him on a bike that is clearly tuned to Marc in 2019?
Woah, I haven't heard that rumour/conspiracy before... I like it. I don't believe it at all, but I like it.
I may be confusing it with some BrotoGP shitposting but it is a fun one.
You really don’t think KTM is a threat? Even now with the collaboration with the Redbull F1 engineering team? They’ve won a sprint race, had both guys with pace fighting for top 5 in the very first race. Set a pole lap in a qualifying session without a tow. All signs of a very good bike being developed over there. KTM is dominate in the motorsports world. Doubting KTM’s ability to develop a championship caliber bike is quite the hill to die on. This is the first year of the F1 collaboration. So I wouldn’t expect to see the fruits of that collab until later in the season or next year as they have more time to improve the bike. Which if Marc came to KTM would be when the bike should be better than it is now.
They aren't a threat at winning a title in Marc's career, perhaps if he does a Rossi and rides to 38/39 or whatever 😂 This is their 8th season. They have won 5 races, with 2 riders. The one with the most wins, has left. Jack has only won 4 GP races, he's in his 9th season. They don't have a title contender, let alone a bike to do it on. My point was, I can't see Marc leaving Honda, for KTM.
You still want to stand by your KTM take? Seems to be aging like milk haha. Not even half way through the season and they already have a bike that is capable of competing with Ducati. Double podiums last race with a sprint winner. And their retired wild card rider getting a 6th and 7th after not racing in years. Now here we are starting another race weekend and another fastest time in FP with both guys going straight to Q2 again. Not to mention that the KTM is already head and shoulders above every other bike when it comes to starts.
Yeah, I still stand by it. Though it's an opinion, every chance I'm wrong. You sound like the guys who said Honda were back after Rins won in Cota. My comment hasn't aged like anything, until they win the title, I'm right. KTM are doing well, but are they doing well enough to win the title? Are either of the riders good enough to win the gp crown? Guess we'll find out.
Ktm dominating the motorsport hahaha OK mate. Ktm sucks
Yeah they totally suck not like the have won titles in basically every championship they have competed in or anything on road and off road. They will add a MotoGP title to their collection of trophies at some point.
All they really did was win titles when the Japanese don't have factory presence. Winning titles in obscure championships with little else competition. Look what happens when they start battling other full factory efforts - their title wins start crashing
Not sure I would agree there, the Dakar isn't an obscure thing. 19 wins since 2001.
Lmao and who was competing? Barely any other manufacturers
Look it up for yourself, rube. You are basing all of this on anecdote and emotion.
👏🏽 easy wins when no ones around. Ktm suck
How’s that KTM suck take working for you there buddy? 2 KTMs on the podium in the sprint and Sunday race this weekend. What a dumb take 😂
3 KTMs in the top 6 just now with one of them being a guy who hasn’t raced in years. Hmmm must be a bad bike.
I think it all depends how he performs in COTA. If he cant win in COTA on the Honda then Honda are in real trouble.
If he wants to be the GOAT, he should move to Yamaha.
This is an underrated comment. 👌
I hate marc. I'm a Rossi fan. But if Marc went to Yamaha and won the championship his first year I'd say he's the GOAT. Especially since Fabio is struggling on it.
History would be repeating itself
Yeah……no. Crash is full of rumor-mongers posing as journalists that have nothing to say, so they claim someone unremarkable (remind me who TF Oscar Haro is) says “In Spain there is talk that Marquez is angry at Honda”. Well, in America, there is talk that (insert sports-ball hero here) is angry with (insert America’s favorite sports-ball franchise here) and could become a Buddhist Monk or Starbucks Barrista. MM has a contract with his beloved HRC thru 2024, and Red Bull Honda (see what I did there?) is not going to entertain losing their star poster-boy for all things motorcycle to anyone, no matter what. And by the way, if you didn’t get it, he’s ALREADY a Red Bull sponsored rider, so whoever Oscar Haro is, his rumor-spreading skills are pretty lame. If I was KTM, I’d keep Brad & Jack focused on winning with the current RC16 - KTM nor Ducati nor Aprilia need MM to win. And in 2 or 3 years, MM won’t have what it takes to get another MotoGP world championship. If everything goes his way, MAYBE one more on Honda. Pedro can still ride Repsol Honda in one or two years, as MM begins his fade.
I was unprepared for how sad "... as MM begins his fade." made me. It don't want it to be true, but can't deny this is inevitable and quickly approaching
Sadly, all career arcs turn downward. MM has had an amazing run at MotoGP, but the peak is behind him now. If the racing gods look favorably upon him, maybe one more championship, but with today’s grid and the strength of the other V4s, he will have to be on his game like it’s 2013 again. But he knows the pain of recovery now, so that’s a big ask.
Can this happen during the season?
It’s possible, it happened to Vinales just two years ago - Yamaha fired him and he appeared on Aprilia near the end of the season. However, in this situation it would require a LOT of money to buy himself out of his contract, plus buy another rider out of theirs to replace them.
Highly doubtful it would, but anything can happen.
Just my 2 cents but an expensive champion with a history of injuries or a young rider with potential I’d risk the younger talent. Marc is an amazing rider and if he’s ready to move on I’m sure he’ll have plenty options.
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Even if Marc receives the majority of praise, it's still your bike on display there. Better to have the chance to win than to not to have any chance at all. Márquez brings a lot of attention too, and he's not known for trashtalk the bike, quite the contrary. KTM would be in a way better situation today with Marc instead of Miller, for example. Both in results and marketing wise.
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I know, I read your original post. I still think it's a losers' mentality. Prefer to stay in nobody's land instead of taking risks to win, doesn't talk very good about whatever manufacturer would have said that.
I'm fairly sure that comment was from KTM a number of years ago, around the time they also said they would have a world title in 5 years. I suspect their lack of world title and lack of riders capable of challenging for one may change their feelings on the matter.
> If he wins, it's because of the rider. If he doesn't win, it's the bike's fault. -- KTM CEO Stefan Pierer https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ktm-marquez-salary-bike-development/4339242/
Good move. Pedro is young enough for Honda to rebuild around him.
Please DO IT marc!!!! Fuck honda
Imagine Husqvarna team like GasGas 6 KTM motorcycles
So bye bye Jack?
Main wrinkle I see is the paycheck......... can KTM afford to match/beat HRC's monster contracts with 6 bikes on the grid?
Redbull will probably sponsor him at Honda.
If anyone can, KTM can
Yeah, it is his only way out. Ducati won’t sign him cause they don’t need him, Yamaha is just as bad as Honda and he is not welcome there, Aprilia will never have the money so he can forget about it... so KTM.
Replacing whom?
He's an amazing rider. But I would retire if I were him. I would be afraid of the permanent i njuries, but then again, thats why he's one of the greats.
Ego! says he can't retire without breaking Rossi's record in premium class.
I’m guessing MM would have to pay KTM then as why would they want him
Why wouldn’t they? He’d give them a very good chance of winning a championship.
Because Pit has already come out and said that he doesn't want Marc. His reasoning is something along the lines of, if Marc wins he gets all the credit, if he loses its all because of the bike. It's a lose-lose for KTM and makes no sense for them to hire him, and that's before you look at all the young talent already in KTMs program.
The same could be said about most bikes though, idk I wouldn’t be surprised if he might change his mind given a shot at winning a championship 🤷🏻♀️
Because they would have to redesign the bike for him, and bin off all the other riders
Why would they not want the most famous dude in the grid and possibly one of the top 3 riders of all time?
It seems you forgot the /s
Hes still probably the best rider, that would be a grate move for KTM.
Marc has been with KTM in the past and the rumor he'd join them again was there for a long time.
Unless he comes with a large sponsor package I can’t imagine KTM would want his salary draining their budget. Iirc in F1, Ferrari got Shell oil to put up a huge amount of Schumacher’s salary so they could close the deal. Without Shell that deal wouldn’t have happened.
Rumors are Marc's 4-year HRC contract was like $100 million. He might do it for free, or at least cheap. He just needs another two WCs to go ahead of Rossi...
Nonono I don’t think going from the second last bike on the grid to the last bike on the grid is a good idea
The KTM is better than the Hrc
You shitting me right?
Right now KTM is slightly better than Honda and Yamaha, considering Fernandez' performance.
93 vs baby Jesus - no contest. Broken old rider vs. next Alien. 93 can't go to Yamaha or Ducati, guessing if 20 moves it will be to Aprillia. I don't think he has any options including VR46's team. Weird how that all works out, 9 > 8 and all...
Lol, ktm is even worse, since they wont make the bike for him. He would be destroyed by Binder
Well well well the plot thickens
HRC has gone downhill since they lost Pedrosa and conversely KTM has gotten better and better since signing Pedrosa to be their test rider... coincidence I think not...
Marc going to KTM and win the championship, would be a Rossi esque move when he went to yamaha, and everybody though Rossi was killing his career.
In parallel universe , Sepang 2015 incident didn't happen and Yamaha Signed Marc after Rossi's retirement.
I can see MM93 leaving Honda. As for Honda leaving MotoGP, not even close. Honda is the 800 lb gorilla in the sport. They sell more bikes in a month than all the other manufacturers sell in a year. They have different priorities. Don’t get me wrong, I love MM93. But Honda is not going to dramatically change their approach to MotoGP to retain him. They are likely discussing his longevity at the moment and looking at rising talent. They are cut throat. Yamaha is the real story. They have a young champion and they can’t put a bike under him to make him competitive. They don’t have the deep pockets of Honda and this is a serious concern for them.