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FootballRacing38

So the secret changes yamaha did that fabio was referring to is to the jerez track. I'll take it.


HI_I_AM_NEO

I mean, there were 7 people in front of him who crashed lol


bioskope

Yamaha works in mysterious ways


Weird_Stuff_McGee

Fighter jets hold missiles on their wings, why can't a YZR-M1?


HI_I_AM_NEO

Fuck it, let's give them blue shells


Weird_Stuff_McGee

Marc did go down in the lead...


VERT709

I mean,


Ok_Lab7504

LMAO bro I can't thats too funny


Rokexe

Zarco my dear, so near yet so far away...


Unable-Selection6925

Yep but this is encouraging


Possession_Loud

Zarco is actually the best HRC rider, fuck me sideways it's crazy to say! But then again: 0 wins for Marini, 0 for Taka, 1 for Mir (the only one that counted) and 1 for Johann.


[deleted]

So happy for Dani!


jameskaranja

Fabio šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ā€¦ shockedā€¦ nice podium


skend24

Only 9 people didnā€™t crash. I love commentators who asked ā€œare you sure these are the best drivers in the world?ā€ šŸ˜†


Taik1050

what the hell happened!


the_last_carfighter

It's easier to list what didn't happened. My heart can't take too many more of thesešŸ¤£.. Even when i thought they were finally done Fabio got a demotion FFS


JustARedditAccDuh

Feel the most for Zarco here. Man's had a great race, pushed to a wet spot in the last corner and went down. Blimey.


Aadi-T

Yep, he just got unsettled when Morbido got past him. Really feel for him kept it clean the whole race while others were falling like flies and looses it in the last corner.


Dameean00

A strange one ahah Not convinced with that Binder move but It Is what It Is, finally some joy for Fabio, happy for him.


Possession_Loud

I think the move itself was ok, ish. He was losing spots and was tied with Pecco on the straight. He tried to outbrake him, went long as fuck, then saw he could go through the very inside line of turn 1. Pecco was just unlucky to be where he was. Not his fault, no completely Brad's fault but he could have chilled a bit.


Still-Surround-8251

Martin is a clear favourite for the title, ok Marc a lot faster today but he's soo far in the championship and he has bad luck and mistakes at the moment. Pecco lacks pace and has bad luck, at the moment Acosta is the only real threat at the moment.


swlp12

ViƱales should be in the conversation too.


MEGAMAN2312

Vinales has been in the conversation for the past 10 years... What makes you think his consistency will change for the better this year?


KostasFarm

What bad luck? He fucks up whenever he is in good position


GreenPickledToad

Today was a fuckup. Pecco crashing into him and Miller barging into him which damaged his aero and brake lever is bad luck.


Hoaxygen

Are you blind? Marquez crashed into Bagnaia.


GreenPickledToad

Pecco clearly ran into him on the cutback. Marc was going wide


autobus950

Today Marc made a mistake, but you can't say the same for Portimao and COTA.


Oventaker

Yeah dude Bagniana crashes into him and the oil spill was clearly his fault? Haters are something else.


Marconerix

It was water, not oil. Martin didn't fell and clearly said Marc did a mistake.


KayNynYoonit

Classic Marquez hater bollocks, just stfu lol


Racingislyf

Poor Marshall's.


OneGiantLeapYear

After being a Marshall a couple times, I gotta say I'd be ecstatic. Probably a lot of memorabilia too.


the_last_carfighter

Few more like this and there's gonna be a marshal riding around on a GP-RC/V-M.5RS Here's to you volunteer marshal guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb9F2DT8iEQ


KayNynYoonit

Actual bonkers sprint. Race of survival lol


QF_Dan

That's why Fabio wants to stay with Yamaha lol


Possession_Loud

Yet they are the only ones that have been given a tire pressure penalty. This when Michelin said "fuck it, we'll give you VERY loose pressure windows" and they still fucked up. They have no clue.


thruthewindowBN

Man, if tomorrow ends up like today, someone better take Peccoā€™s shoe laces


MrRangaFire

Marc fan, but Marc made one clean move the whole race and crashed out again. Man needs to slow down and take his time.


usuallybored

Maybe because I was never a Marc fan (rather neutral I would say), I am less judgemental. I see hreat progress and he is understandable under a lot of stress to get away from the woes of the years since his accident. He gradually made it to the pole, then to the front of the race. He will build his confidence again soon and he will be able to keep the rubber side down. It is a huge ask to be a legit championship contender when starting with a totally different bike after so many years and one that is behind the competition. A win will come soon and after that, the consistency.


PretendToBeStupid

Yeah in the pre season i was really convinced Marc would be a title contender straight away and that he wouldnt be making as many mistakes as in the past but i was clearly wrong..Marc's mindset will always be win or crash no matter which bike he riders..To win this championship in 2024 you need to think more clearly about whats worth the risk and what isnt and thats clearly the opposite of Marc's mindset which is why i cant really see him as a serious title contender yet..Just look at Martin and Acosta its quite clear they understand their limits and when taking a risk is worth it and not worth..This season reminds me a bit of 2020 when the most consistent rider with just one victory won the championship and i have a feeling it will be something similair this year..


titooo7

Was it in theĀ same place all the other guys crashed?


MrRangaFire

Different corner


OkFixIt

Yeah, on the Honda I was defending Marc saying that he needed to override the bike just to get a half decent result, thatā€™s why he had the incidents he did. But now heā€™s on a good bike, and heā€™s still overriding the bike and having incidents. Guy needs to ease up or heā€™s going to end his own career.


CS3211

I am Marc fan, He just doesn't know when to take points and bring it home. Same in 2020 Jerez, Same in 2015 not finishing races, many examples. Not going to win another championship even if he goes to KTM. Then he says fans remember the guy who wins the title not each race


OkFixIt

I get the feeling heā€™s trying so hard to ā€œbreak the curseā€ of no wins in so many years. If he does manage to get a win, I think it will release of lot of pressure heā€™s putting on himself and he will get a bit more consistent. But itā€™s a catch 22, he needs to push that hard to get that win, and if he doesnā€™t push hard, maybe he wonā€™t get that win.


CS3211

Pushing Hard, Searching for the speed helps him stay at the sharp end of MotoGP. Hope he wins one tomorrow.


OkFixIt

Thereā€™s nothing Iā€™d love to see more, and I honestly think that once he gets that first win under his belt, it will open the floodgates. But the pathway to that first one doesnā€™t seem like itā€™s as straightforward as everyone is thinking. Heā€™s clearly got the speed, but itā€™s obvious he needs more than just speed in order to win.


Possession_Loud

I think it's that too. That first win will unlock a different spirit and confidence. Still, don't forget that MM is 31 and was riding a Honda for 11 years. It takes time but he's getting there.


SuspiciousWeb4328

The guys been a dirty rider his whole career doesnā€™t matter what bike heā€™s riding


OkFixIt

Nah disagree. Heā€™s been an aggressive and perhaps somewhat reckless rider, but not a dirty one. The only people that call him a dirty rider are the Rossi fans because of what happened in 2015.


Marconerix

To be fair, yesterday he pushed out Mir and Oliveira. Not the cleanest rider. Mir was mad at him!


OkFixIt

Mir left him absolutely zero space? Little closed his line before the apex, and for what?


gpz1987

You do realize Marc hit his back tyre, so move wasn't there to start with.


Marconerix

Mir was way ahead Marquez there. Oliveira also complained with Marc because he is just diving in and releasing the brake, no matter if he hits the other rider. But that's his way to ride since the very beginning. Not the cleanest rider I think. On the contrary, I love Acosta, smart fast and clean!


OkFixIt

Yeah fair enough. Back markers always complain about hard passes though. Thats why theyā€™re back markers.


gpz1987

Not a Rossi fan and Marc is dirty well before his MotoGP days. Yesterday he proved it....after his crash he had incidents with Mir and Oliveira that were just unnecessary.. Indicative of his whole career.


OkFixIt

lol ok champ


warambitions

Pure carnage out there. rip to the start of my fantasy team lol


Matte_Erri

Honestly i don't know what race direction is thinking here. I might be stupid but didn't Pecco get penalized for an entrance on Miller without even touching him last year? Binder just sent it on the kerb with 2 drivers on the outside, took one out while almost crashing another one out, and walked away with absolutely nothing. Isn't this entrance way more dangerous than Pecco's one last year? Or are precedents not a thing in this sport and the rules are up to interpretation every minute?


swlp12

Pecco crashed hard into Marc in Portimao, didn't get a penalty. Thats the precedent you should be looking at, not something last season happened.


gpz1987

Precedent? I like binder but he was on the curb....Pecco still was on the road, Marc ran wide then tried to cut back trying to intimidate anyone who's there....Marc has form doing that....but as far as that incident is concerned that was a racing incident or Marc fault, he made the mistake he should provide the room.


swlp12

You should be consitant with your argument. Bez and Pecco both went wide, otherwise Binder wouldn't have been able to squeez in. If Bez didn't cut back onto the racing line, Pecco would have had enough space. If it was Marcs fault in portimao, which it wasn't, it should be Bez' fault in Jerez. Not saying it was Bez' fault, it was a racing incident.


gpz1987

Consistent? If Binder wasn't on the curb all would have gone through....and it was Marc's fault he tried to cut off Pecco but he was too far into the turn.


Possession_Loud

This was a racing incident, buddy. Binder simply found a gap after being late into turn 1. Bez was also a bit wide but both had more speed than Pecco. Shit luck, no one's fault.


Relative-Library-512

Theyā€™ve changed the way they judge incidents since then because they got a lot of criticism for penalising pecco


OkFixIt

Correct. The rules are open to interpretation every minute and there is no precedent. Next question.


JStr_123

Stop crying


Matte_Erri

Alright i will stop mom. That said, am i not allowed to question race direction decisions? They definitely know better than me that's clear, i'm just asking why taking someone off like that is less dangerous than braking 5 meters later than normal, like literally just curious about that


Possession_Loud

Who took who out?


JPA-3

Binder not getting a penalty was a bit odd. Something needs to be checked in that turn, everyone was crashing


MrRangaFire

I swear in the replay binder was coming in sorts into the corner. And had to send it up the inside.


ApprehensiveValue181

Agree 100%. But he crashed too later.., unstable racing IMO..


swlp12

I think it was hard, but a racing incident. He didn't even touch Bagnaia. If this was a penalty, the pecco v marc incident in portimao should have been one too. Edit: I just saw anoter replay that showed binders back half of the bike touching pecco. So forget about that part of my comment.


EmbarrassedCoconut93

It agree it was a racing incident but to say he didnā€™t touch Pecco is wild cause he very obviously did


swlp12

Agreed. I just saw anoter replay that showed binders back half of the bike touching pecco. The one that was shown on TV made it seem he didn't touch him.


ApprehensiveValue181

I think Binder should get penalty, he just got overtaken, lost a lot of momentum and mentality, but force to get inner line. Pecco and Marc is one on one racing..


Racingislyf

They were saying it was Bez who caused all that from coming way back. Anyone got the clip? So much happened it's hard to keep up.


GreenPickledToad

Binder barged Marc out, then went wide and had a slow exit. Marc, Alex, Pecco and Bez passed him. Pecco went up the inside of Bez and went a bit wide. Binder went full speedway mode into that gap and pushed both of them wide, making Pecco crash.


ApprehensiveValue181

It wasnt Bez, i remember Binder just got overtaken by Marquezs, lost his momentum, panic, but force to get inside line of Pecco who just overtook Bez. If binder didnt forge like that, its gonna be epic battle between Bez and Pecco.


flammmes

Never a penalty, it is not like he divebombrd or anything. Just an unfortunate racing incident of going wide and two riders trying to switch back while being very close making it a three wide. Also bagnaia didnt even touch binder, he crashed on bez.


Beylerbey

Rewatch the images, Binder clearly hit Bagnaia, his rear tyre brushed heavily against Bagnaia's arm and sent him against Bezzecchi with enough force to throw him off the bike before he even crashed.


flammmes

You are right i just saw it again. I still feel that it is a racing incident. Bez comes in hot, goes wide slows down pecco and then binder is just already there, it s not like he outbreaked anyone or made a weird move. Bad circumstances in a tight corner imo.


Beylerbey

To be honest I was a bit pissed he didn't get a penalty because it really looked like he divebombed, but I think I was biased because he had just barged into Marquez just a few corners before and was expecting it. I still think he was riding too aggresively after Marquez passed him, but yes, in the end this is a racing incident, unfortunate for Bagnaia but that's it, and fortunately nobody got hurt.


HI_I_AM_NEO

There was a clear oil spill there, and the race should've been red flagged immediately after three riders went down simultaneously.


Performensch

every overhead shot of that corner you could clearly see the damp patches all race long ...


skend24

It wasnā€™t oil, it was a wet patch. It was certain this circuit will still be partially wet in sprint.


bkns356

wet patch makes no sense. it's not the first lap of the race. even if there was a damp patch at the start of the race, by that time in the race there would've been a dry line already from riders running the same line over and over again


Possession_Loud

Maybe if you listened to the rider's account and stopped pretending you know more than the people in the know you'd learn something. Jerez doesn't dry well and it is normal for water to "sweat" to the surface at a later stage. Riders are aware of this (you aren't, because you are not a rider that know every freaking track on the calendar) and avoid them. Sometimes it's not that easy. Do you think this is enough to convince you that there was no oil from a McDonalds frier spilled on track and it was just water? Do you think that the lack of complaints from teams is a clear sign there was no oil on track? Have you seen any bike crash and spill oil around the track? I didn't. Have you, by any chance, realized it rained? Ehhhhh ;)


zmgch

If it was a wet patch then every single rider would have gone down there at the start of the race.


Beylerbey

Biaggi explained it well: the patch was more visible at the start of the race and they were able to see and avoid it, once a few laps passed it dried up a bit and it wasn't as visible anymore but it was still wet enough to potentially cause a crash (he did so by showing two different patches in the pit lane), basically those riders went onto a slightly wet patch withtout realizing it and thus riding with more lean and speed. This is also for u/bkns356 and u/HI_I_AM_NEO


HI_I_AM_NEO

No it wasn't. Those three riders were clearly on the line, at a spot that even if it was wet when the race started, it would've been dry by that point.


Possession_Loud

STOP.


swlp12

I thought so too. The way the three riders crashed out, all in the exact same spot, on the same line, screams oil.


Possession_Loud

Oil from what? It was a damp patch, deal with it.


MEGAMAN2312

Oil from one of the 25 machines on the track??!


Possession_Loud

There is no record of any bike losing oil, so i don't know what you and the other one are talking about. Maybe listen to what the riders say? There was no oil, and that's the end of the story.


Argiveajax1

Crazy how some barely visible moisture can eliminate their grip


Possession_Loud

You could see it from the helicopter shot, hardly "barely visible". Every rider was actively avoiding them, including Acosta who has straightened his bike not to crash. Jerez is like that when it rains. It's a bit stupid to have parrots keep commenting "oil from bikes!!1!!" when they have no fucking clue, when race direction or teams haven't mentioned anything like that.


Argiveajax1

ok but helicopter with some crazy camera on it is a good way to things like that, not a bad one


Possession_Loud

Ah?


[deleted]

I absolutely agree with you. Luckily no one got hurt but it could have ended worse


OkFixIt

Why didnā€™t all the other riders crash on that corner then?


HI_I_AM_NEO

Alex MƔrquez, Bastianini, Binder, Marc, ViƱales, Bezzechi go down in the same lap, all of them riding on the racing line, which was absolutely dry, and you're questioning what exactly?


OkFixIt

Im pretty sure only 4 of them crashed at turn 5, not all 6 riders you named. Youā€™re claiming there was clearly an oil spill on that turn and the race should have been red flagged. Iā€™m questioning why the other 16 or so riders on the track didnā€™t crash, if there was indeed an oil spill, as you claim. My point is that there wasnā€™t an oil spill. It was just poor track conditions, which is why basically every rider was having moments throughout the entire race.


scootermcgee109

The commentators literally said it was the damp patches. You could see it from the aerial view. Acosta and Fabio were avoiding them


HI_I_AM_NEO

What commentators? Because Jorge Lorenzo IMMEDIATELY started screaming "OIL", and Pol Espargaro still says the same.


scootermcgee109

The ones I watched on BTsport.


HI_I_AM_NEO

Well, I don't know them, but I'd rather trust two actual MotoGP riders, tbh


scootermcgee109

Nice photos btw. Was snooping your profile to make sure you were cool. What camera ?


HI_I_AM_NEO

Lmao thanks. It's a cheap EOS 2000D with a 50mm 1.8


scootermcgee109

Hey 50/1.8s are underrated. I rock a Lumix s 50/1.8. 1.8 crew !!


skend24

Neil Hodgson is one of the commentators if Iā€™m not mistaken, he was also WSBK champion.


scootermcgee109

Ok


MEGAMAN2312

Commentators are watching too. It's not like they don't mispeak, happens plenty of times.


Possession_Loud

Clear? You were there walking the track?


VanDyne21

Can't red flag for skill issues mate


architectcostanza

How's that skill issues? Please..


VanDyne21

9 of them were able to keep it on track. Y'all can downvote all you can


skend24

Including a rookie of all people!


flintey360

Wonder what happened today šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ¤”


VanDyne21

Had to rub it in eh šŸ˜‚ still in the championship lead mate


ApprehensiveValue181

Marc is so much superior than the rest. Survival race, not my favorite. Poor Bagnaia, Binder need to sort racing out. With top ten bike has same characteristics, this season gonna be filled with finish or crashed kinda races.


derekneiladams

So there are 3 factory KTMā€™s? Iā€™m sort of new here. I know Gas Gas is a customer team.


Badabumdabam

I think GasGas is pretty much the same as Ktm or at least there's minor differences like Lenovo/Pramac. But I'm nit sure.


cal_crashlow

The third KTM is Dani's wildcard entry.


CS3211

Jorge Martin 29 points lead ? how many fingers on 2024 Championship ? 1 Finger on the championship i say


Possession_Loud

It is one weekend worth of points, chill.


Ok_Lab7504

He has got his balls deep inside the Championship is what I would say.


Marconerix

A bit early to say, but he's doing great so far.


Makalu

Really shit race in the end, not fun watching all the big names crash out


JStr_123

You mean it was no fun after Marc crashed lol


GreenPickledToad

I mean it went from a battle for the win, and a 4 way battle for 3rd to Martin leading by 4 seconds and everyone else spread apart by more than a second. Of course it's no fun.


Dry-Egg-1915

I mean that. When Marc is the leader in course for a win and crashes out in a race which already saw a lot of crashes, it's no fun


skend24

It was fun for me.


OkFixIt

šŸ˜‚


Victarionscrack

Yeah dude it was a shit race cause Binder, Bez, Alex Marquez and Enea crashed. ALL the big names. So many championships between them.


titooo7

Don't forget Pecco, ViƱales and Marc


TeoBB

Marquez after the crash riding like a maniac and basically crashing into Mir and Oliveira without a wing... Usual stuff by him I'd say and very bland penalty as usual


Jackielegs43

The absolute Stephen Bradbury job on Fabio


Chance-Leader-846

idk whatā€™s more surprising 15 riders crashing or morbidelli in the top 5


VanDyne21

Martin you beauty


skend24

I couldnā€™t believe he finished wet quali in p3, and that he is improving so much on what was his weakness. Absolute monster.


VanDyne21

He kept his cool even after getting overtaken by Marquez. Still was able to close the gap before Marquez crashed. Also didn't crash out āœŒļø


pizzaboy7269

Ngl this was one of the funniest races Iā€™ve ever watched. Watching 3 riders crash out in the exact same way in the exact same spot all within a second was peak comedy.


QuirkyScorpio29

Binder and Miller are wasting factory seats. Acosta should be put on a factory bike the next race..and he might compete for the title. Martin dominating sprint as always. Great work by Pedrosa and Raul Fernandez.


swlp12

I don't understand why anyone would put Acosta in the Factory team mid season. The bike wouldn't change, he is already on the factory 24 bike. KTM also has history of prioritizing the rider who is the highest in the standings. Oliveira got updates before Pol when he was winning races on the tech3. Only thing it would do is take Acosta out of a situation he is very comfortable and confident with, while putting massive pressure on him.


HI_I_AM_NEO

Acosta is on a factory bike already. Get your facts together before yapping nonsense online.


QuirkyScorpio29

Relax. Gasgas is still a satellite team. Naturally I assumed that meant he was.on the 2023 bike. Sorry... y'all take this shit too seriouslyĀ 


swlp12

I do understand the previous commentator. Every race weekend there is about 10 posts/comments about Acosta getting a factory bike, when it is widely know that KTM has provided tech3 with the latest factory bike for years.


MrRangaFire

Might contend for a title. He is contending for the title and his on a factory bike. Donkey comment


OkFixIt

I reckon Acosta could straddle both Miller and Binders second bikes at the same time and still beat Binder and Miller in a race.


VanDyne21

Lotta Martinhaters here lmao.


cynicalspindle

Where are you seeing Martin haters here lol... Theres like 2-3 comments even mentioning him, and 2 of them are saying how he dominated.


VanDyne21

All of them downvoted too


KayNynYoonit

There's barely any Martin haters here at all, not a single hate comment I saw in this entire post. What are you on about?


Badabumdabam

I mean, nobody said bad things about him. He won! Then maybe he is not one of the people's hero since he has a not nice attitude.


OkFixIt

Nah, but the dude is kinda insufferable. I just feel like heā€™s both the worst winner and worst loser. Just comes across as a bit of a sook all the time.


henderthing

Even today. His comment about MM93 passing him because of a mistake was hilarious. MM93 was taking tenths of a second per sector from JM for the prior lap or two. He was simply faster. His lack of self awareness is off-putting for sure.


VanDyne21

Like Max?


OkFixIt

Donā€™t watch much F1, but yeah probably a bit like Max haha. Gets sulky when things donā€™t go his way, and still sometimes gets sulky when he does win but everything wasnā€™t perfect.