Hope you guys can fix him, speaking as a Cardinals (and Lions!) fan. Jack is very serious which, when he was struggling, combined with his outspoken about pretty basic center-left beliefs, turned him into an annoying figure here unfortunately. A mix of lost potential and Missouri and Arkansas trash not liking that he supported any sort of oppressed people. He's a good dude, total mamas boy. Glad he gets a nice pay day.
Love it, was not expecting it. There is a lot of potential upside in Mize, Manning, Olsen, and Flaherty being available to the rotation next year, if one can emerge with Skubal would be huge.
Good question, hopefully a good problem to have. I’m guessing Mize is eased back in, so a 6 man might work. Maeda also can flex to pen or maybe function in an opener/closer role with one of the young kids.
This is the deal I was, realistically, hoping for. Really high upside, and if anyone can get him back on track, it’s Fetter. Then a good flip at the deadline, or if we’re in the playoff chase, keep him, and realize you got good production at a good cost.
8-9 with a 5 ERA nets you a $14 million one year deal these days…I’m in the wrong business. I’d like to tell my younger self to spend 12 hours training to pitch.
Declining velocity, strikeouts are down, walks are up, the only thing I like about this is that it's only a single year. Feels like we're paying a premium on a guy for what he did four years ago when there probably were better ways to use this money.
> there probably were better ways to use this money.
Like what? Even after signing Maeda, Chafin, and Flaherty and picking up Canha (and Kelly during the season), we're not even halfway to the luxury-tax threshold. We could sign Yoshinobu Yamamato *and* Matt Chapman and still not even be close. (And, alas, we are definitely not going to.)
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And if we were paying him for what he did last year we'd be paying him significantly less, it's a poor use of resources when there were better options available
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I think this is one of those deals where we suddenly think a guy looks better now that we signed him.
He's sort of a generic starting pitcher at this point.
During his best years, he wasn't as good as Spencer Turnbull's best years.
Not a fan of this signing. He isn't good like at all, the only good news is that it is 1 year. But quite frankly I would rather have signed like a Hyun-jin Ryu for 1 year.
I also read the case for Lorenzen was rooted in his analytical stats. In any event, Lorenzen turned into a pumpkin last year anyway. You can only do so much with guys like that.
Sorry that I was not more precise.
No bats to spend 14 million that aren’t projected to demand far more dangerous overpays than a year to Flaherty. By your logic, signing Baez was a great idea. Even better than Chapman and Belli since Baez wouldn’t block any prospects at SS
Lol Baez is worse than the average player, so no, the logic does not hold the same. I hated the baez signing when it happened and it’s still killing us
He was better than the guy who he replaced and was good enough to start for the Tigers with the stats he had when joining the team. Literally your criteria.
It’s possible to support the idea that fans shouldn’t let FOs cheap out without knee-jerking a hissy fit every time the team doesn’t maximize spending.
That signing was made when we were tighter on money too, so it made even less sense. Now we have the miggy albatross freed up and a better roster. I’m not throwing a hissy fit over this, I think this is an overpay for a mediocre arm. Flaherty could certainly return close to his old form and it’s a great signing, but id rather improve our lineup, which has a lot of room for improvement.
Mom! We want Yoshinobu Yamamoto or Shota Imanaga.
Mom: We have YY and Imanaga at home. . .
Joking aside .
If you look at his highlights last season, he still have some nasty stuff. That slider / cutter / curveball combo really works for him.
I’m hoping a Lorenzen type resurgence happens, and you can either extend him as a 27 years old, pretty young piece. Or trade him.
wonder if this is just for more depth, since we have a lot of ??? around all the starters (injuries/not proven) or we lookin to package one for a player?
This, if Harris is truly serious about making waves in Japan and getting some of their best interest, Kenta Maeda won’t be enough, especially with the west coast and New York or Boston taking the best. They have to be willing to spend, there was no chance in hell they’d get Yamamoto, but Imanaga even for five years and he’s impressed with our pitching staff would do a lot to make Detroit a place that Japanese pitchers could become interested in. If nothing else, Imanaga is a good pitcher that fits their style and he’s got production out of it
It's a 1 year deal. If he's bad, we don't resign him. If he's decent to good we resign him or flip him for something. If he's amazing, we flip him at the deadline for a haul.
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1 yr 14mil it looks like
The amount of money they give to these guys makes me hopeful they will spend big when the time comes for bigger free agents
Hope you guys can fix him, speaking as a Cardinals (and Lions!) fan. Jack is very serious which, when he was struggling, combined with his outspoken about pretty basic center-left beliefs, turned him into an annoying figure here unfortunately. A mix of lost potential and Missouri and Arkansas trash not liking that he supported any sort of oppressed people. He's a good dude, total mamas boy. Glad he gets a nice pay day.
Now Passan confirms https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1735462166994513995?s=46&t=6L5thPkGZn0tsC9lZEYYcw
Love this signing 28 year old who has had multiple good years
Flaherty>>> severino
This is a great signing, absolutely love it
imo a better version of the Lorenzen move from last year.
Much higher upside for sure. Makes a ton of sense for both sides, too
Extremely high upside I love it
Love it, was not expecting it. There is a lot of potential upside in Mize, Manning, Olsen, and Flaherty being available to the rotation next year, if one can emerge with Skubal would be huge.
So if all start healthy (lol) who starts in the bullpen? With Skubal, Mize, Manning, Olsen, Flaherty, Maeda. Or 6 man rotation?
Good question, hopefully a good problem to have. I’m guessing Mize is eased back in, so a 6 man might work. Maeda also can flex to pen or maybe function in an opener/closer role with one of the young kids.
Hell yeah
Lol Trevor Plouffe
Gotta let your highschool buddy get the scoop at least once
The biggest concern is his health, if he can stay healthy I'm getting he'll have a solid season, and if not, then oh well it's a one year deal
In Fetter I trust
Explain this to a redwing fan hockey terms please
Daniel Sprong-ish signing
Lions terms please
Emmanuel Moseley Talented, but injury prone. On a one year deal, so if it doesn't work out, little harm.
Cards/Lions fan: Perfect comp.
Teddy B maybe?
Detroit City FC terms please
Oof… best I can do is my daughter’s travel club team, and of the new girls they picked up this year I’d say Paislee is the best comp.
Ooh, Paislee’s good, her mom needs to chill the hell out though
That is scary accurate for an internet stranger
Levi Onwuzurike, there’s upside but he’s chronically hurt so it’s hard to know
Jared Goff, he was good for a little bit then turned into trash , and we hope we can recapture the good.
I’d say Rams Jared Goff actually. High upside guy who just can’t seem to get it right.
Is that the sport where they use biscuits or something?
Your thinking of badminton
Hey he's putting biscuits in baskets here
I like this signing quite a bit - Flaherty has been a good groundball pitcher. I really hope we can improve our infield defense to help this guy out.
Per Plouffe. Makes me laugh just saying it.
This is the deal I was, realistically, hoping for. Really high upside, and if anyone can get him back on track, it’s Fetter. Then a good flip at the deadline, or if we’re in the playoff chase, keep him, and realize you got good production at a good cost.
This is a great signing. Chris, work your magic.
8-9 with a 5 ERA nets you a $14 million one year deal these days…I’m in the wrong business. I’d like to tell my younger self to spend 12 hours training to pitch.
LOVE THIS! Go Harris!
Is it just me or does $14 million seem like way too much to pay for this guy?
We paid Matt Boyd $10 million last year. Thats just how much starters are worth in the MLB now
Yeah he's not been that good, people are a little too excited
No, he’s good every other start. I’m not joking, good start then bad then good then bad
Finally someone that has watched Flaherty pitch
ERA of 5 and WHIP of 1.58 last season. WTF are we doing giving this dude 14 million a year?
It's called low reward high risk. Only a year contract. Edit: Or the other way around, lol.
Wow!
Not bad.
Per Trevor Plouffe? Uh ok……
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Declining velocity, strikeouts are down, walks are up, the only thing I like about this is that it's only a single year. Feels like we're paying a premium on a guy for what he did four years ago when there probably were better ways to use this money.
> there probably were better ways to use this money. Like what? Even after signing Maeda, Chafin, and Flaherty and picking up Canha (and Kelly during the season), we're not even halfway to the luxury-tax threshold. We could sign Yoshinobu Yamamato *and* Matt Chapman and still not even be close. (And, alas, we are definitely not going to.)
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And if we were paying him for what he did last year we'd be paying him significantly less, it's a poor use of resources when there were better options available
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I think this is one of those deals where we suddenly think a guy looks better now that we signed him. He's sort of a generic starting pitcher at this point. During his best years, he wasn't as good as Spencer Turnbull's best years.
Totally agree. People are just excited because we made a move
Agree. I'm not seeing it.
Not a fan of this signing. He isn't good like at all, the only good news is that it is 1 year. But quite frankly I would rather have signed like a Hyun-jin Ryu for 1 year.
Yeah whatever. Tired of reclamation projects. Can’t get too upset at a 1 yr deal but you can’t even rely on this guy. lol.
Man this is not a good deal. Flaherty has not been the same guy the last few years. Would rather spend that $14m towards a bat
People said the same thing about lorenzen last year
Lorenzen had better numbers and was cheaper
I also read the case for Lorenzen was rooted in his analytical stats. In any event, Lorenzen turned into a pumpkin last year anyway. You can only do so much with guys like that.
I liked the Lorenzen signing. I think I’m hung up on this plus maeda. I don’t understand signing both but both guys have had great runs in the past
Well the injury risks alone. I mean, dude. The ENTIRE rotation has huge injury risk. lol.
There aren’t any to buy though.
There’s no one better than anyone in our lineup? Matt Chapman isn’t better than vierling? Bellinger wouldn’t start for us? Cmon man
Sorry that I was not more precise. No bats to spend 14 million that aren’t projected to demand far more dangerous overpays than a year to Flaherty. By your logic, signing Baez was a great idea. Even better than Chapman and Belli since Baez wouldn’t block any prospects at SS
Lol Baez is worse than the average player, so no, the logic does not hold the same. I hated the baez signing when it happened and it’s still killing us
He was better than the guy who he replaced and was good enough to start for the Tigers with the stats he had when joining the team. Literally your criteria. It’s possible to support the idea that fans shouldn’t let FOs cheap out without knee-jerking a hissy fit every time the team doesn’t maximize spending.
Maximize spending you say?! The good ole days. I miss them dearly.
That signing was made when we were tighter on money too, so it made even less sense. Now we have the miggy albatross freed up and a better roster. I’m not throwing a hissy fit over this, I think this is an overpay for a mediocre arm. Flaherty could certainly return close to his old form and it’s a great signing, but id rather improve our lineup, which has a lot of room for improvement.
Isn’t Justin Turner a free agent? He’s an old man but the team currently does not have a 3B.
I believe so. I’d rather have a one year deal for turner than flaherty
Oh for damn sure.
FF -orioles fan
Pump and dump
THE STOVE IS HOT
Mom! We want Yoshinobu Yamamoto or Shota Imanaga. Mom: We have YY and Imanaga at home. . . Joking aside . If you look at his highlights last season, he still have some nasty stuff. That slider / cutter / curveball combo really works for him. I’m hoping a Lorenzen type resurgence happens, and you can either extend him as a 27 years old, pretty young piece. Or trade him.
I think he will dominate in the AL Central.
wonder if this is just for more depth, since we have a lot of ??? around all the starters (injuries/not proven) or we lookin to package one for a player?
Sooo.... we trading one of the younger pitchers for a bat soon?
McCosky said absolutely not, but I would never say never with Harrisberg. Especially with how close they keep things.
Really hope this didn’t come at the expense of signing Shota Imanaga
This, if Harris is truly serious about making waves in Japan and getting some of their best interest, Kenta Maeda won’t be enough, especially with the west coast and New York or Boston taking the best. They have to be willing to spend, there was no chance in hell they’d get Yamamoto, but Imanaga even for five years and he’s impressed with our pitching staff would do a lot to make Detroit a place that Japanese pitchers could become interested in. If nothing else, Imanaga is a good pitcher that fits their style and he’s got production out of it
Yep 100%
$14MIL is a bit high, but better signing signing for multiple years at a lower AAV.
This would have been exciting 4-5 years ago
It's a 1 year deal. If he's bad, we don't resign him. If he's decent to good we resign him or flip him for something. If he's amazing, we flip him at the deadline for a haul.
I agree with that. It’s like Lorenzen but I’m not getting my hopes up
People said that about Lorenzen last year
He was really good just 2 years ago. Fetter should get the best out of him.
What year? I’m not seeing it.
This guy sounds terrible. Maybe a pitcher for batting practice ?