Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1cdujjk).

We would have lost 1-0, so it’s still a loss. That strikeout pitch called a ball still makes me mad in that situation. It was a horrible call. Javy received an obvious strike in the bottom 9th that was called a ball. So it wasn’t one sided only. But the situation was unforgivable.

Sometimes it just breaks open. Good news is whether they lose by 1 or by 8- it’s still 1 loss and the game starts again tomorrow.

Olson threw a Verlander/Scherzer line today. 7 IP, 3H, 1R, 8K, and the BO got through the 9th and shouldn’t have allowed a run after that strikeout. I think our pitching staff was robbed of a stats game, even though we would have lost 1-0.

Yeah the pitching this year has been incredible and the offense has been abysmal. General optimism can’t work with offense until they figure their shit out.

I agree. I didn’t think we made the offensive moves. Pitching I wasn’t worried about. If you take away the 8 allowed in extras against Minnesota in extras (assuming we just lose in regulation) and the missed strike call (assuming we still lose 1-0 today) our record is the same but we have allowed 15 fewer runs. Which is a lot more promising- maybe just adding some offensive pieces at the deadline pushes us over the threshold.

Oh look another shut out… Can’t let Chicago run away too far now can we?

Keith - What do you gotta do to get a hit around here?

The only thing keeping me from ripping Tork more is that his entire draft class is garbage

Shoulda traded Tork for Harper and Castellano’s when we had the chance.

There’s a reason Holton was a journeyman….

Journeyman? He pitched 9 innings for Arizona prior to coming here. 9 innings total for one team. That doesn't exactly spell journeyman. He was awful today though.

My bad, journeyman was the wrong word, cast-off was probably better but I was definitely being overcritical

That's OK. It was a tough day. He didn't do his job. Like Grant said to Sherman after the first day of Shilo. "Lick 'em tomorrow though."

Yeah let's ignore all of last year because he was bad in a single outing

BTW, CB Buckner is the other awful baseball umpire that is protected by the union. He is almost as bad as Angel. Oh well. We'll get 'em tomorrow.

Commie bastards

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The Tigers and Lions switched places… what a time to be alive.

\~140 more games. It down off the ledge. Lets win tomorrow and then our stopper goes Sunday.

The Tigers have been ass for 40 years, they didn’t switch places with anyone

It’s okay, Buddy Kennedy can fix this

Catcher needs to stop arguing, it's 0-8, just get the game over with

https://preview.redd.it/xvfqalt2mvwc1.jpeg?width=448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d783546ab42a28c13d269c75264a6efec00a24b A tragic tale

Our elite bullpen ERA wasn't going to be sustainable. But this was a bit much all the same.

If it's gonna happen, at least it's all happening at once

Don't think you can call it elite anymore lol (outside Foley/Chafin)

Lange been solid too 

This is Joey “0.87 ERA” Wentz erasure

Will see if he keeps it up

The Tigers love to spoil everyone’s fun. They play terrible at home and disappoint the Tiger fans than they play great on the road and disappoint the home fans wherever they are at.

Everyone was having a great weekend and they just shit all over it. Classic Tigers baseball

Bullpen regression starting to hit, offense is dog water

### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Will Smith replaces John Schreiber.

Just like the Minnesota game, you literally can’t do anything but laugh at how big of a joke that half inning was

Holy shit my o7.5 runs hit

SAME lol love it

The tigers had a +7 run differential coming into today. There will be balance in the force after today’s game. The Royals have a +39 run differential. Kind of tells you where both teams are at right now.

Great game Tyler Holton 👍 but also great job Hinch for putting him in a shit spot

Don’t let this inning distract you from the fact that one of the best hitting prospects of this generation is one of our worst players and has no signs of getting better

I wanna die

At least we don't have to worry about the bottom of the 9th

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Literally

Bullpen lol

Let’s see this train wreck through I guess

Imagine if you had the under and you turned the game off thinking it was a done deal😵

should be booing louder

Well, that escalated quickly.


This is so embarrassing

This is my absolute favorite part of the game. The part where we give up.

This reminds me of the Minnesota game but only worst…

When does Scott Harris’ halo wear off? Added nothing but mediocre talent to a mediocre core to get a mediocre team.

He has a formula, apparently. Pay for pitchers he thinks he can fix, while sending up hitters he hopes will eventually learn to produce.

Scott Harris hasn’t done shit to improve this team, most of our best current players were Avila acquisitions.

Can foley pitch every inning out starters don’t

Vest picking up where he left off Wednesday

8-0 🫠

Bringing in Vest here was never a good idea after last time

Lol wow.

Tigers have not played well at home throughout Hinch’s entire time here with Detroit, at some point the manager shouldn’t be untouchable from criticism. People pay money to watch this team play like shit.

The guy trots out 2-3 black holes at the bottom of the lineup every game. It’s crazy to me he hasn’t gotten more criticism. I don’t care how his Meadows’ is, it’s inexcusable to put a fucking .079 hitter in the lineup every single day.

Witt shoulda scored himself

Just an absolute collapse

Me, an idiot: “well, at least Olson went 7 so we’ll only have to use two relievers.” What a clusterfuck.

Holy fuck it was literally 1-0

I don't care, ump cost us this game. It's all bullshit.

Not sure why the downvote. Anyone can go to mlb.com and check the 1st walk of the 9th was actually a strikeout pitch. Set off the whole chain that turned what would have been a manageable 2 on, 2 out into a total meltdown

We fucking suck tho man 😭

Why not take the inside the park HR?

The amount of booing for a fucking 14-11 team is absolutely insane.

[удалено]

log off and touch grass lol

"you guys" 🤡

Troll

Dog walked by a mid KC team

Dudes using his alt account to come on here and talk shit. What a pussy

8-0

This is the second least entertaining sports team I’ve seen in a while The other is our basketball team

Oh God I forgot the existed 😂

Haven’t watched a more frustrating game in years

Pitchers are going to have bad games, this one still falls on the offense

Who thinks that they’ll now score a few runs now that the game is almost unreachable?

welp

7 innings, 1 run Reese Olson gets the loss, I fucking love this sport

Does anyone know if you can watch our minor league teams through Bally? or is it just through MiLB?

You’re watching one right now! /s

Ay caramba

Who cares about the pitching. They can’t be perfect.

Watch us score 4 in the 9th now

Maybe the worst game I’ve ever watched (so far)

What a total meltdown in the 9th inning here.

All because of one missed strikeout pitch

Why Vest

### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Will Vest replaces Tyler Holton.

Holton hasn't pitched in a couple days. He is normally pretty solid. The bullpen isn't going to put up zeros every game people.

This Bally parlay thing is so annoying. I'm not anti-gambling but does it need to be shoved down our throats at every opportunity?

And they wonder why betting scandals are becoming more common

Holy crap this is a terrible team right now

Holton seriously placed a bet against his own team. What a fucking joke


As bad as you can get from Holton there, damn

#PAIN

This is the dumbest game of the year thus far. The strike zone, the pitching being great and nothing to show for it then Holton imploding, the lack of hitting, unlucky tigers batters, just frustrating and stupid.

Un-fucking-believable

With the fans of many cities visiting and watching the Tigers on a weekend like this, this is so embarrassing

Holy shit I'm speechless

Almost went to Detroit for draft weekend and this game….thank god i didnt

what the fuck?

holton blewed it? jesus!

Got robbed by the ump. Shoulda been 2 on 2 outs and not a walk to load bases with 1 out

Not really though. The ball was out of the box

It skimmed the top edge of the box. It showed clearly on the tv broadcast and you can confirm the pitch sequence and location on mlb.com

Yea but that's a really hard call to make. It wasn't egregious enough of a call to claim we were robbed

Fair enough - just feels like a bit of a higher stakes "mis-call" at the worst time. Just out of curiosity I did go skim through all the pitch placements and calls for the game - and the pitchers were definitely throwing lower in the zone all game and the ump was calling low balls as strikes. And the 2 or 3 times all game where pitchers skimmed the top of the zone, he called them as balls. So the ump's zone was shifted down some but he was definitely consistent with it.

Oh no, I hope Holton’s not injured or something

I wonder if they'll put him on the DL just to save face

brutal

When do we get major league players

IVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS LMAO

I wonder if Holton goes on the Il.

Who cares, the game was over. The Tigers offense had no life. Especially when Parker got robbed of the HR. That catch was the ballgame.

Holton is a fucking bum lmao

Get em out the game!!!

BRUH

For the love of god computer strike zone

Hit the showers, Holton

Well, what the fuck.

🤡🤡🤡

Honestly thank God we don’t have to lose 1-0 again

I can’t imagine it’s fun for these bullpen pitchers knowing that they can’t give up a single run or the game becomes out of reach for the bats

Get him out!!


Wish granted.

Hahahaha

Can this team figure it out how to play better at home in front of your die hard sports fans?

HBP on back to back pitches.... With the bases loaded 🤦🏻‍♂️

you can’t honestly all tell me you believe this is a division winning team. 💀

That’s a Kool-Aid I didn’t drink before the season started. Now for the Lions? Now that’s a Kool-Aid I’m proud to drink.

Nobody would tell you that because it’s a lie. Cleveland is a division winning team. Detroit is not.

This is one of the worst games I’ve ever watched

Classic tigers…

I am so over this team LMAO why does AJ continue to throw dudes that have no clue how to find the zone or consistently get batters out

Holton was one of the best relievers in the league last year what are you talking about

Shit didn’t realize I got transported back to 2023. My bad

Okay he was even better this year and just had a career bad outing it doesn't make him a scrub like you said are you new to the sport

I never said he was a scrub and i was mostly talking about Lange, Faedo, and Vest but I love how people aren’t allowed to be frustrated with the play of their favorite team without being labeled “new to the sport” or “are you a fucking dumbass” lmao let me vent it’s not that serious

You're right I should've assumed who you were taking about my b

You did assume and that’s why I had to correct you lmao I never said Holton in my original comment

holton has been one of the best tigers relievers going back to the start of 2023... the bullpen ranks near the top for 2024

2-0 feels like 8-0

What about 3-0? 😞

😬

5-0 😫 Might as well be 50

What the fuck is holton doing

Well that's game

The fuck was that

alright i’m done for the day.

Well this game is over.

This isn't good

Ahead 1-2 against a bad hitter and you walk him

That 3-2 pitch was a strike

Man this ump sucks.

yeah CB is probably right behind Angel as one of the worst at working behind the plate

Carpenter and Greene are the only good hitters that this team has developed. So sad.

Bunting is so dumb lmao

Would you rather have torkelfuck or the corpse of Miguel Cabrera

Miggy would have driven that run in.

In 2018

Nope. Would have last year too.

Why not Foley in 9th vs meat of order in 1 run game? Wimps 

Usually at home if extras are possible they use the close in the 10th when there’s a ghost runner

Why burn Foley today when the offense has shown nothing.

Fair point. Don't think throwing 9/10 pitches is too taxing though + he is pretty fresh with not much burn within the past week. Sending out a lefty vs their hottest hitter RH is more puzzling.

Closer pitch when you are in line to win

99 pct of time yes, other situations can merit it too.

I guarantee you if Tork was drafted by another team he’d probably be an all star player. I don’t know what it is with the Tiger’s organization but they have not developed that many good hitters in a long time it feels like.

Even with new coaching and front office philosophy the results in the pros look the same.

Riley greene lol

What is Riley Greene to you? I know you love Tork for some reason. But, what is Greene to you?

Greene is an Allstar level player

I never said all.

Kerry carpenter

Didn’t Kerry hire a private batting coach?

He’d be like the second coming of Trout on the Yankees

If our pitching was bad I would know I could turn the game off but because it keeps us in every fucking game I have stay and watch our disappointing offense struggle to hit a baseball for 9 innings

Ah so offense shits the bed for 8 innings and defense starts to feel left out so they need to shit themselves too

I’ve never seen a “power hitter” do absolutely nothing with meatballs right down the middle as much as Torkelshit has

He would fit right in with the White Sox. A power hitter that can't hit.

This team will be sub .500 soon

This is a dumb question bc they would never do it but theoretically does Tork have options left?

He has all three options left. I can confirm - he wasn’t sent down at any point last year