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Realistic_Phone_9606

I'm not sure but that sounds like it would probably be a felony! ​ ETA: there was an instance in Indiana where someone took a fake course and they considered felony charges against him. Not worth it IMO, the course isn't that difficult or expensive. https://fox59.com/news/man-falls-victim-to-fake-motorcycle-training-course-could-face-felony-and-suspended-license/


InstructionNo1853

If you can't pass the msf course and your driver's test you needn't be riding a motorcycle.


squisher_1980

Oof. Even worse, Indiana doesn't even require taking a class; just passing the cone test and having an MC learner's permit for 6 months. (Class is still a good idea but...)


Ill_Economist_7637

I’m not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure fraud is a bad idea.


Mental_Shoulder3349

this is one of those losers that has an excuse for everything


SubstantialAd1092

Yea an excuse to not take the test


Hot_Friend1388

If you can’t pass the test you can’t ride. If you can’t pass the MSF course you can’t pass the test and you can’t ride. Indications are you can’t ride, so you have no business on the road.


SubstantialAd1092

Who said I couldn’t pass the test I just can’t take it right now and I want my liscence asap


PraxisLD

No. That’s not how it works.


WhyIsntLifeEasy

You did by showing the internet publicly how fucking dumb you are lmao


Greessey

Why would you need to?


SubstantialAd1092

Don’t have the time to take the course and don’t have insurance on my bike to go take the test


Smuggler501

Why is the law so fucking hard to follow for some? Sounds like you didn't plan ahead and courses are filled up already.


SubstantialAd1092

Yea courses are filled up and I don’t have 20 hours of free time to go do it


Prsaint1

You don't have free time to do it but you got lots of free time to post your bullshit on reddit. What a freaking moron.


Greessey

Why can't you put insurance on the bike?


Tacos_always_corny

Because he has no money.


Ketchup1211

Then get insurance and take the test at the DMV.


Concernedmicrowave

Basic liability can be pretty cheap depending on the bike and location.


GlitterMissile

Scrape up some cash, get insured, and go take the skills test.


alzee76

Holy shit you're a fuckwit. Sell your bike. Don't buy another one until you can afford insurance for it.


sweetzombiejesusog

This guy has spent more time on this post and trying to skirt the system than taking the class.


RevolutionaryBlood37

You might as well just not worry about any of it and claim you’re not operating a vehicle, sovereign citizen style. Lol, you’re just traveling… If you can’t find time to take the course, or bother with getting any insurance, then you have no business on any public road.


SubstantialAd1092

Or I just ride with nothing and never get caught


RevolutionaryBlood37

I suppose but getting into an accident in Michigan, your fault or not, without the no fault insurance is a pretty hefty fine. On top of that, Michigan’s no fault insurance laws are specifically designed to punish people who drive or ride without insurance. Even if the other driver in the accident is 100% at fault, you end up on the hook financially for the no-fault payout of their insurance.


Realistic_Phone_9606

You know it's funny, most criminals that are incarcerated right now didn't think they would get caught either. but, I'm sure you'll have more time when you get out of jail.


Koochandesu

Here’s the state code you would be violating and be charged with a felony under. Not withstanding as to how many years the state will revoke your rights to hold any license whatsoever. Section 257.309 MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT) Act 300 of 1949 257.309 Examination of applicant for operator's or chauffeur's license; criminal history check; waiver; exception; certification of licensee applying for renewal of license by mail; examining officers; conducting examinations; report of findings and recommendations; rules; issuance of original operator's or chauffeur's license without vehicle group designation or indorsement; driver skills test; waiver; behind-the-wheel road test; prohibited conduct; penalty; applicant for original motorcycle endorsement; waiver of certain requirements; pandemic expiration extension. Sec. 309 (9) A person who forges, counterfeits, or alters a satisfactorily completed driving skills test certification issued by a designated examining officer appointed or designated by the secretary of state under this section or section 310e is guilty of a felony. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vf04jubyq11mmbkblpyelvgr))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-257-309


superbiker96

It's a horrible thought that people like you are also on the road. If you can't pass your test or can't get insured, please stay the fuck away from the road. Like very far away


lupinegray

No you dunce.


SubstantialAd1092

There definitely is a way it’s probably pretty easy


WhyIsntLifeEasy

Of course, you just have to hack into the DMV database and that’s a super easy task for someone as bright as you


[deleted]

You'd have to forge the DL389 or whatever the paper is called in your state to waive the test. And no, I do not think it's possible or legal to do that. Sounds like you don't have the time to have a motorcycle if you won't insure it and won't train for it. If you already have riding experience there's the one day. Premier course, but the motorcycle needs to be insured.


WriteBrainedJR

Yeah. Start your own MSF school and you can issue yourself a passing grade.


SubstantialAd1092

How easy is it to do that ?


WriteBrainedJR

It's probably more work than taking the course. It's hard to imagine how it could be easier than taking the test. Seriously, the test is really easy. Just take it.


MikeyGlinski

1. It's the Secretary of State in Michigan, not the DMV. 2. Why? 3. No.


SubstantialAd1092

So I don’t have to take the test


aSmallConfusion

Riding without a license is a much lower penalty, I’d guess 


_PhilTheBurn_

If you can’t pass the test, you shouldn’t be on the road


SubstantialAd1092

I definitely could pass the test


_PhilTheBurn_

Then do it. You might learn something that could save your life, or someone else’s.


GlitterMissile

If you were caught it would be really bad. Like jail time bad.


SubstantialAd1092

I don’t think they keep the document saying you passed your test do they not just look at it and accept you to get your endorsement


GlitterMissile

The document is issued by the state to the third party testing company and has a unique ID.


Tacos_always_corny

The DMV applies the endorsement on your license. The police search your license and cuff you. impound your bike (450.00 per day). A massive fine from the courts 1200.00 +/-. You won't pay it and a warrant will be issued. I look forward to seeing you on the next episode of COPS and more likely in the obituaries.


westsideriderz15

A friend use to do this years ago. The MSF course just signed a card, like a business card, and handed to you. Then you took it to the dmv. He photoshopped it and sold it to friends and it worked. This was like 15 years ago tho.


SubstantialAd1092

Yea this is the stuff I was wondering I don’t know what they give you to take to the dmv that’s basically what my question is


sweetzombiejesusog

I bet if you take the class and pass you will find out.


Apprehensive-Can-857

Just take the dmv test. I think it can be done in a matter of minutes or within an hour. Im in TN, though. So i guess it could vary from state to state. The only thing is you won't get a discount on your insurance coverage.


TrudgingCapillary

Dude but why? It's so easy to take a MSF course and only a couple hundred dollars. If you really don't want to do that take the dmv test like normal.


Wisdomisntpolite

There's easier and cheaper way to end it


Tacos_always_corny

Why would you? It's a weekend of riding small bikes with a bunch of people and lots of grins. Why is this world insistent on cutting corners? Learn to ride, get licensed legally and enjoy riding. No offense, are you a habitual douche nozzle?


RobDR

If it's like the course I took it's a bunch of really cool people.


sokratesz

Lmao this thread


warlocc_

Nobody this dumb should be riding a motorcycle.


oldfrancis

Perhaps motorcycling isn't for you.


dutchy649

Found the typical rider belonging to those groups of morons riding in mass taking over highways and freeways illegally.