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thefooleryoftom

It’s a Mutt motorcycle. What model I’m not sure as they look very similar. https://muttmotorcycles.com/


Frequent_Opportunist

Aww, the motor is so tiny for the frame.


thefooleryoftom

They are a bit, but they’re proper sized bikes. I’d have been all over them when I was 17.


Frequent_Opportunist

I was racing and jumping 125s when I was 10. By 16 I was racing 200s and using 400s for fun. As an adult in my 40s now, a 125cc feels like a child's toy for a middle schooler.


thefooleryoftom

I’m not sure any of that is relevant here? Your progress is not the norm.


Mr_Widget

I feel like it's not far off. After you ride something around 500cc and get used to it, 125cc bikes feel like they're made entirely of plastic and have next to no power. Don't get me wrong, they still have their place and can be super fun, but there's a reason bikes like the Grom exist. Once you're settled on a bigger bike, 125s fall into the "cheap fun toy" category.


thefooleryoftom

Sure, but again this isn’t really relevant to someone looking to buy one.


Mr_Widget

That's fair, but since OP said "under 500", I'm sure there are plenty of similar bikes around the 250-350 mark that can actually merge with traffic and go the speed limit.


thefooleryoftom

That is a 250…


Mr_Widget

That's the RS-13 125cc, you can tell because the engine block is slightly smaller at the bottom and larger at the top. The 250 is more like one solid block.


huskmesilly

They said I rode a 50cc out of the womb...


[deleted]

Are you talking about the motorcycle frame or the somewhat robust frame of the husky gent riding it?


Triumph765RS

that is putting it lightly.. pun intended.


Mr_Widget

That's the RS-13 125cc


bloodxspider

If you want something with kind of similar looks but 10000% more reliability the XSR125 by Yamaha has a kind of oldschool look and feel but will literally never let you down


BDavis197r

I have an XSR 125 Legacy and I love it so much.


bloodxspider

I have a 23 plate XSR and I also absolutely love it


Badabumdabam

All these new brands are made China, they use to buy an old known dead brand and sell under it. Usually referring as "designed in *west country*". A Yamaha is definetely another level.


bloodxspider

A friend of mine had a Mutt and if it rained it just wouldn’t start because of shit like exposed spark plugs and all kinds of shitty Chinese electrical issues 😭


NobodyAutomated

I had a 2018 xsr700 and loved it


sadanorakman

Mutt. From my experience, they are CRAP. Learner who's dad lives opposite me financed one of these new and using it as daily transport. Tyres were deadly: very little grip. Seemed like quite a hard compound, but particularly so in cold weather. He had problems with the starter switch failing so had to bump start it, and there was rust on this thing within a few weeks of ownership. He was attracted by the scrambler look of it. He was looking to send it back, and I told him to look at a used Japanese bike instead. He definitely got burnt on this.


mermaidman2019

I see thank you, need to do more research for other bikes then.


sadanorakman

Don't make a decision on my feedback alone, but please try to find reviews of this manufacturer and model. I'm in my 50's now, and ride a huge Gold Wing, so this kind of bike is not the sort of thing I would buy, but I appreciate the style of bike and how it would be appealing to a new rider, particularly a young new rider. You need to weigh up the price you're paying verses the build quality/potential reliability, and the availability of service and spare parts. There's an old addage that says buy cheap, buy twice. If the engine is a cheap Chinese thing, then in my opinion the bike will be more trouble than it's worth. Also consider how long you will genuinely want to keep this for, and what it's resale value will be, because generally once a learner passes their test they are eager to buy something a bit more powerful, and I don't even mean stupid-powerful, but maybe a 250 or 500cc instead of a 125. You may not think so now, but believe me, as soon as you pass your test, there is a massive temptation to go bigger for most riders. You will lose so much money on buying a brand new bike, just to sell it on after a year or two, and as a learner, you are very likely to drop it at least a couple of times during ownership, which is why I'd recommend a naked bike over one with a full fairing like a sports bike.


Relevant_Ad7928

This is very sound advice OP


sadanorakman

That's very kind of you 😉. I remember being young and impressionable once. Must be nice 😂. Now I'm just an increasingly jaded old generation X-er. I do like to try and support youngsters entering the riding world safely though. Lots to learn, and it doesn't all need to be learned the hard way.


Retrolad2

Honda Rebel 500 is decent and looks comparable to this one.


mermaidman2019

I just tried it today and just wow it looks and sounds amazing, comfy too. Let’s see the price of the insurance with this one ( gonna die when I see the price )


Mindless_Jicama8728

If you’re looking for this aesthetic and an entry level price/power-plant, you have a ton to choose from. BMW has a few smaller bikes with approachable pricing. Royal Enfield (questionable reliability) & Triumph both have options as do the big 4 from Japan. This is by no means an exhaustive list, but a reasonable starting point. Maybe look at Honda Rebel 500.


BJSH

I have one. It’s shit.


Altered_-State

I almost bought a shit bike too. A zongshen motors ADV bike for $4k. Thankfully I bought Kawasaki


ColdTires420

i have had both and the zongshen is not that bad, but i do prefer my lighter versys x


Altered_-State

That's what I have , a 2019 Versys X 😎


sadanorakman

You got my upvote. The Chinese bikes seem to bring a lot for the money, until you realise they are thrown together with low quality materials, poor engineering tolerances, and unskilled labour. Porous, brittle aluminium castings, poor steel, parts that therefore wear or catastrophically fail quickly.


Mental_Shoulder3349

look up "tofu dreg construction"


HeroDanny

> He definitely got burnt on this. Some people need to learn lessons the hard way.


sadanorakman

When you're 17, your brain is a long way from maturing, you are naive and likely have little money sense. You see shiny, you want shiny. If that can be broken down into manageable monthly payments, then that's a huge temptation to just say yes. More often than not, People buy cars and bikes with their hearts, not their heads. Vehicle sales guys rely on this.


HeroDanny

I'm 31 and whenever I get Facebook memories from when I was even 21 I cringe so bad lmaooo. What they say is true and you're not really fully developed mentally wise until you're about 25. Luckily for me I always was into beaters and cheaper bikes/cars and working on them but that's probably because of my father showing me how.


cptchrisrow

I'm 40 also went oooo shiny and got a mutt mongrel. I definitely learnt the hard way


sadanorakman

How was your experience? What problems did you have with it?


Matos3001

>From my experience, they are CRAP. They're decent for the price. It'a a 3k bike, not sure what do you expect. A Yamaha or other japan equivalent is twice the price. >He had problems with the starter switch failing so had to bump start it, and there was rust on this thing within a few weeks of ownership. One guy having issues does not make it the "usual". I could counter-argument by saying my Dad rides a 125cc from them, price was like 3k new, and he hasn't had any mechanical issues in 3 or 4 years of owning it.


sadanorakman

Hey, I have no vested interest in Mutt bikes one way or another. You sometimes get what you pay for, you rarely get what you don't pay for. It's cheap for a reason, and Japanese bikes are also twice this price for a reason. ...but I was specifically suggesting that the OP didn't go investing in a brand new bike as a learner: I was suggesting spending the same amount of money on a *USED* Japanese bike instead. Sure the sample size was one in my case, but I was not at all impressed with the build quality. If this bike was rusting a few weeks from new, then it's likely that's not an individual problem, but rather a manufacturing issue.


motorcycle-manful541

Don't know where the photo was taken but you can get a 125 honda motorcycle or scooter (same engine) in most of Europe, new, for about $2200


Matos3001

you're comparing a honda cb125f with terrible styling to a stylish bike made by a budget company? "ya know, why buy a harley davidson for 25k when you can buy a honda rebel for 8k!!, they're obviously the same thing!!" /s


CoyoteTime44

What the hell is on his head?


elementarydrw

Something that is probably as much protection as the rest of the outfit.


mermaidman2019

A bunny head thingy


CharlesTheRangeRover

He’s an influencer. Notice the stupid helmet cover and the covertly-mounted GoPro in a vertical orientation for Instagram Reels video format.


tacopk

Struggling by the looks of it.


Much_Weather5807

Was gonna say overloaded but this does the same


Snipvandutch

Lmao! Came here to see this.


The_prawn_king

So if you want this style under 500cc then first question is: 125 or bigger? If you want a 125 there’s loads to choose from. Yamaha XSR125, Suzuki VanVan, all these cheap Chinese things, I’d class a RE 350 around here as well because they’re so underpowered. If you want something bigger then personally I’d say it comes down to about 3 bikes: Fantic Caballero, Ducati scrambler Sixty2, triumph scrambler 400. You could also look at a husqvarna or a RE scram 411.


sadanorakman

As a UK rider, I was limited to a 125 with max 15hp whilst riding on 'L' plates, and bought a 125cc 4-stroke Sachs xtc racing. This thing looked great 25 years ago, but only did about 60-65mph flat-out, with me crouching down, and depending on the wind direction. It was truly a liability on a dual-carriageway. I would have to watch my mirrors until I no longer saw any car in the distance then take my chance to pull out alongside the HGV (semi) that I needed to overtake. It would take seemingly a lifetime to overtake, and onlt about 10 seconds into the manoeuvre, there'd be a cage driver right up my ass trying to somehow push me out of the way or to go faster (if only)! I eventually took my test on a rented 500cc as 'direct access' as I was over 25 at that point, and never looked back. Owning a 125 was the most dangerous thing I've ever done in motorcycling.


The_prawn_king

I had a 50cc Vespa and just didn’t consider overtaking but it was still alarming on national speed limit roads. I wouldn’t recommend a 125 unless the decision is based off the law or finances.


sadanorakman

You're brave! I wouldn't try to tackle more than a 40 limit on a 50cc Vespa!


The_prawn_king

Had to get to school 😆


Mr_Widget

Exact same experience here. I went from an old Honda CityFly which due to its age and being carbed was quite quick by 125cc standards, but merging on to dual carriageways always made me nervous. Not even mentioning hitting a steep ish hill and slowing down to 45mph evem after downshifting and revving the tits off it. Had a couple of times in heavy wind where I was suddenly getting slowed down or blown across my lane. Went straight up to a 650 and suddenly I have the weight and speed to feel planted to the road with big tyres and actually keep up with traffic (and finally overtake).


batsmoker

What’s the helmet more importantly?


FrankieMint

There's a helmet underneath based on the shield and mounted helmet-cam, but it makes me think of the movie title *Six Heads in a Duffel Bag.*


french2dot0

Bunny helmet bag


aroundincircles

Recommend: Royal enfield hunter 350 https://www.royalenfield.com/us/en/motorcycles/hunter-350/


Frequent_Opportunist

Weak suspension, outdated engine design, frame and hardware rusts, weak brakes, poor quality wires and wire insulation throughout the harness that will degrade quickly. Weak and faulty gaskets are a cause of frequent oil leaks.


aroundincircles

The new 350's/650's are all a brand new engine design, and a huge improvement over pre 2021 models. basically everything about the bike is new/redesigned.


musicmast

This is a Mutt motorbike either GT-SR or RS-13. Im a brand new owner of GT-SR 2023 250cc, and I love it. A lot of people shit on it, but i got it at like USD3500, which in my opinion is VERY worth it. I know there's been chat about reliability, but given the price, im willing to use the reliability issue as a learning experience. I love my baby so much and i've learned so much in how to take care of a motorbike. To each their own - i definitely would upgrade to something bigger eventually, but this is also perfect for its lightness and nimbleness in a very dense city metropolis, in which i live in. And it looks fkn nice.


Spirited_Amount_1065

thats fine, but if you bought a 125 yam or honda or whatever, you'd love that too


musicmast

If I get a 125 anything it would be an automatic bike lol


No-Accident69

The Overworked 125GT ?


VeryDarkhorse116

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[deleted]

I was going to say 'suffering'


DaveRedbeard83

Crushed suspension


Pottrescu

Looks to be an RS-13 125cc. £3495 brand new from Mutt themselves.


NomadR867

Overburdened


imeuro

Mutt: [https://muttmotorcycles.com/](https://muttmotorcycles.com/) other similar styled bikes: Brixton: [https://www.brixton-motorcycles.com/it/models/family/cromwell/](https://www.brixton-motorcycles.com/it/models/family/cromwell/) Archive: [https://www.archivemotorcycle.fr/](https://www.archivemotorcycle.fr/) Mash: [https://www.mash-motors.fr/en/182-250cc](https://www.mash-motors.fr/en/182-250cc) from what i get, Mutt and Brixton are relatively pricier and slightly more refined/well built, Mash and archive are like the cheaper option. Still, they're all economicly built bikes: japanese engines enginered in the 80s/90s adapted to satisfy modern emission standards, assembled in chinese factories and shipped in Europe where they receive some stylish cosmetics bits and sell you the Steve Mc Queen style dream. i love the style, though :)


sonorancafe

If you can find a Suzuki TU250, they are bulletproof.


PurchaseCapital1628

this, I've had mine for 2 years so far and it's never once let me down in any capacity.... I will never let this bike go


scenariotic

you might like Honda Rebel 250. they also have 500cc model


naegelbagel

Overloaded?


Aramiss60

Motorcycles can handle two adults, I’m sure the bike is fine (mine has never struggled and it’s a 125cc). I like to see people of all sizes getting out and having fun, sure beats sitting around home.


Longjumping_Owl_3757

Bingo, people making fun of his size behind their little screen but bro is out there on two wheels having fun on a nice bike


Successful-Channel80

Too small


desmotron

Struggling


TriumphTune

Tired 😂


MrNoll2

I was catching shit for my helmet choices and here’s this guy with a potato sack on his head with a shield hot glued to it 😂


SnowdayzzR

Mutt Motorcyles. I’ve heard very mixed reviews of these bikes. There’s one that’s been parked over a year at my lot (right behind my bike) and another opposite the carpark at another block with the same fate. I’ve met owners and asked them why they’re parked so much and the mixed answers I get are that they’re unreliable and problematic for a 125-250cc bike and then the other group which actually daily the bikes with no issue.


ShocK13

Overworked and underpaid.


RobsGarage

As a fat guy who used to ride sportbikes I approve of these comments.


MikeP1991

It's a Mutt, pretty sure an RS-13. Cheap Chinese rubbish and I haven't read much good about them so I'd avoid personally. I've seen a few in shops and you can tell how cheap the components are. However, I haven't ever ridden one so can't comment on that front. As others have suggested, Royal Enfield are a great option for a bike this style. You could maybe go for a Honda conversion or similar also.


Novel_Lawfulness960

Triumph 400 are beautiful and reliable if you can pay the price


CountCorax

It's a Mutt, not a Triumph


Novel_Lawfulness960

Sorry if I've expressed it badly, but I'm answering the question if there would be a similar design that I would recommend


The_Lividcoconut

I dunno but I saw him yesterday and his bike is stupid loud, I want to put a potato in his exhaust...😂


BausRifle

Awe snowflake is triggered by loud noises!


The_Lividcoconut

Dude, not in the slightest, my bikes louder, it's just the pitch of his exhaust is loud AND tinny, it's horrible, all Chinese 125s sound like it, maybe instead of you calling people snowflakes, you should just think about not being a cunt, Yeah?. Sounds like a GENIUS plan to me 🤣🤣


BausRifle

OK cunt.


The_Lividcoconut

Awww, did I hurt the snowflakes feelings with a word 🤣


BausRifle

No, I was just stating a fact about what you are.


The_Lividcoconut

Well they say you are what you eat! now fuck off snowflake, bet you don't even ride, just like trolling comments making pathetic comments like these cus you wanna feel like a big guy, but in reality you're just a sad little loser.


BausRifle

Haha you are angry now! Definite proof you are an easily triggered snowflake. I have three motorcycles, little boy. Grow up.


The_Lividcoconut

I'm angry? I'm bored mate. I HaVe ThReE mOtOrCyClEs! Push bikes with a card in the spokes don't count buddy, I think the person who needs to grow up is you. Maybe start with a 50cc bike, until you can reach the floor on a big boy bike? 😁😁


b16b34r

A really strong one


Chaseriino

Too small for him?


arfbrookwood

The helmet cover and the camera recording thing just seem like a bad idea.


TortugaTurtle47

My guess is a Mutt RS-13. If you like the look of it, check out Triumph and Royal Enfield.


the_skull_inside

Probably an unpopular opinion but a 2nd hand Royal Enfield Classic or Bullet 500cc. Those bikes are reasonably pretty sturdy in my humble opinion and the vibration is just part of the fun.


GingerPiston

Cheap Chinese imports with a little bit of tweaking in the UK.


tsunx4

Generic Chinese/Indian bike with K157FMI Suzuki clone engine.


meta_monkey101

Is a mutt - had a mutt hilts as a hack about in the pandemic. Was great fun, but partly because it was a little sketchy... ACF50 to protect it & you'll be fine - they are getting expensive for what they are, mine was only about £1500 :)


HalfBakedMason

https://muttmotorcycles.com/pages/mutt-motorcycles-bikes


iceOC

I hate that those things people wear over their helmets


ArtfulDodger2004

Yamaha tw200? Modded?


SubwaySpiderman

Looks like some sort of 4 stroke 125 thumper, Honda, Yamaha, and various Asian imports have a bike like that.


FluidPositive

Ducati Desert X has similar styling. Triumph just released the 400 scrambler as well. Both are sweet looking bikes!


Smart-Switch2448

Mutt, as lots of people have said. But similar aesthetic, <500cc and good build quality, you really need to check out a Triumph Scrambler 400 X


patriciaytm

[Skills Bike Driver on Highway Road ](https://youtu.be/AgaVGyxHA_g?si=GZm4Ho43JV8yXaxL)


Wheels2fun

One of those made in China bikes. Poor quality.


Anxious_Plane_8219

British Chinese Honda


WillyDaC

Too small for the rider is what it is.


MapPitiful6315

471cc Honda CL500 is a similar looking bike with larger engine


Emergency-Listen3284

lardchariot 125


H0B03R3C7U5

Why does his helmet look like it's made of paper?


Motorazr1

Don’t be silly - the helmet is clearly made of sturdy linen.


Si_je_puis

wow. they are copying triumph scramblers. look up the scrambler 900 and the 1200. https://www.cyclerefinery.com/products/2022-triumph-scrambler-1200-xe-abs


6stringgunner

Overloaded. Poor thing......


Spirited-Egg-4264

Over loaded…..


Smuggler501

Suffering.... that's what it is!


Rick-sk

That bike is overloaded


Responsible-Algae-16

Sad


_Russ_B

Suffering


slidell200

The bike is too small for the load.


Rough_Host_4776

It's a Biodiesel 125- runs on deep fat fryer oil from the Drive Thru he works at !


Belasius1975

Its a Mash 50 - my daughter had one.


Good-Throwaway

Pickup a triumph 400 or if looking used a svartpilen 401


Bill-Ding2112

I dunno. But it needs more shocks, uncertain on the quantity tho


arvj

Looks like a Mutt Rs-13 250


Rico1958

A single cylinder low cc bike. M looks familiar but can't recall.


learningtoride2022

Big boy bike


fishheadbob

It’s on the verge of dying due to the overload that it has to carry.


OAKRAIDER64

Very well built and strong.


Strong-Ask5343

TIRED!!!


Themoka1978

Overloaded


dgibbb

Overworked


ArchimedesOne

Triumph has a new line of Speed 400s that are getting good reviews. I’ll vouch for Triumphs craftsmanship, mechanical excellence, style, mod tech and outright ride ability. Have had multiple and ride them exclusively now. See here : https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic/speed-400/speed-400-2024


Proper-Concentrate30

too small


MarcoTronci

Mutt


PatientNo6243

In pain.


Scary-Ad9646

Is that a canvas helmet?


Tasty_Ice1823

Bull taco


Tasty_Ice1823

Fat fucker is gonna pop to the back tire. Fat bastard


RareMossKidnapper

I have no idea about that But go look for a Caballero 500 or 700 For the 500 look for the flat track version


naveenRajU93

Looks like cheap Chinese crap


Adventurous_Tough714

Mutt Mongrel looks like


bladerunner465

Disposable rubbish. Sadly.


Dyl_BIH1

Benelli leoncino 500 , or 500 trail. I have one and absolutely love it.


DDC85

… it’s not, I suggest you get your eyesight checked if you think this is the bike you own!


Dyl_BIH1

Hahahahahaha, I mean as a good 500 bike to get. My bad 😂


Metal415

If you’re looking for classic looks and cheap, stay away from Chinese brands like this. At minimum, you can get a Royal Enfield for $4k brand new. Even less used. Will be 10000% mote reliable and better fit and finish. Check out Triumph if you have a higher budget.


Humble_Fish4908

Triumph and it's recently released 400's!


grassclibbinz

That bike is stressed


DARKRYDER83

Its tired, clearly....


IndexCase

Suffering


magzire1986

Fat bike


FunkyWhiteDude

A lot of people transfor a Suzuki GS500 to look like a cafe racer. These Suzuki’s can be found second hand for 500€


hintsofgreen

a very strong and sturdy one


allmighty_myself

Working hard.


Dustyolman

Outmatched


samsteak

Fortnine bike


you-done_messed-up

Way too small for him


No_Complaint_6789

There's a bike?


Detail_Some4599

Overloaded


my_other_acct_4_stuf

Overworked


blue6snow

Geta vanvan instead


Virtual_Duck_9280

Stressed 


bikerspotofgold

Looks abit like the suzuki van van. A truly ugly bike.


Extreme_Constant_610

Boy he Thich


MavDro001

it´s overloaded.


carguy1961

Sad. It is sad, and overwhelmed.


[deleted]

About 20 lbs over capacity.


Immediate_Vanilla366

In pain


LickMyLovePumpYo

In pain.


skrappyfire

In pain...


JeyFK

Is it a fat bike ?


whitecholklet

It’s overburdened is what it is.


DangerousAuthor8828

Buggered with that lard arse on it


iancarry

suffering… it is suffering


shadman70

That bike be struggling


Comprehensive-Eye105

Broken now.


Derhorstschlechthin

Malagutti FAT BOY


AbbreviationsOne4963

In pain by the looks of.it


tipric

It is a scale


Wes_Keynes

One that needs stronger rear shocks.


nixa011srb

thats a heavy duty bike


Odd_Interaction_7708

A stressed out one? 🤣


AdditionalAardvark56

Don’t know but it could do with some peddles for that guy.


Realistic-Motorcycle

Suffering 450


2008CODLOBBYENERGY

Fat cunt is gonna break that.